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  1. mr.heathcliff

    christian enters muslim talk show think that jesus brought “progressive ” stuff, watch how muslims made two crosstians disagree with each other

    Timineline 1:01

    Notice further on from time line 1:01 how the two crosstians disagreed with each other on what loving enemy meant?

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      The only way for the creator of the universe who is undying and immortal was to come down as a baby, grow up and then plan his pagan human sacrifice

      so he predicts his suicide

      Mark 8:31
      Mark 9:31

      so you would expect a reunion , after all ,the text says that jevus said “he will rise”

      But how the holy ghost told mark to end his gospel?

      “THEY FLED FROM THE TOMB AND they SAID NOTHING TO ANY ONE for they were afraid”

      lol

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      now the donkey is asking about fulfilled prophecy, my question is, if john was jesus’ apostle and knew hebrew, how could he mess up on hebrew parrallelism?

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        A common translation of Psalm 22:18 reads “they divide my garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots” (ESV). But actually, contrary to what the conjunction “and” may imply in this, it’s not really describing two different actions at all here. Instead, these two things are in fact one and the same, simply repeated poetically. We can see this reflected in many English translations, which remove the conjunction:

        “They divide my clothes among themselves, casting lots for my garments” (NJPS)

        [“dividing my clothes” and “casting lots” is the same thing, the same action “dividing my clothes” is being repeated as “casting lots”]

        ; “They are dividing up my clothes among themselves; they are rolling dice for my garments” (NET); “They divide my clothing among themselves; they cast lots for my clothing!” (ISV).
        Some translations are even more unambiguous about this, collapsing the two clauses into one: “They gamble for my clothes and divide them among themselves” (GNT); “They took my clothes and gambled for them” (CEV).

        Also worth noting, though, is that in the original Hebrew of Psalm 22:18, the first word “my garments” is plural (בְגָדַי), while the parallel word to this in the second part is actually singular לְבוּשׁ — which is either a kind of collective singular “clothing,” or sometimes a true singular “tunic” or “robe.” This is reflected in the Septuagint, too, using plural (τὰ) ἱμάτια and then singular ἱματισμός.
        Again, I mention all of this because of what the gospel of John has here in its unique version of the crucifixion narrative:

        23 When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his garments [τὰ ἱμάτια] — dividing [actually just ἐποίησαν] them into four parts, one for each soldier — and the tunic [χιτών]. But the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from the top. 24 So they said to one another, “Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it to see who will get it.” This was to fulfill what the scripture says, “They divided my garments among themselves, and for my clothing/tunic/robe they cast lots.” (John 19:23-24)
        Instead of understanding just one single act of his garments being divided up by casting lots, then, it actually takes Psalm 22:18 hyper-literally, (mis)interpreting it such that there were two acts: quite literally dividing his garments evenly (“into four parts”), but then casting lots for a singular tunic.

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  2. mr.heathcliff

    “Verse 33. – As thy sword hath made women childless. ”

    I showed examples in the bible where amalekite did not KILL WOMEN and children when they raided.

    What this seem to imply is that if MEN were killed, how the women were going to have children?

    there is no suggestion in the text that amalekites people would have intimate relationship with captured women.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      There is also no indication in text that every time amalemite raided, they took non-combatants with them . This now makes perfect sense, women cant produce cause there male counter part have been killed off

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  3. mr.heathcliff

    Because there is a divine command to massacre innocent children EVEN if non-jew hacked children to death, there cannot be anything wrong with the deed from divine command perspective.

    X could be born in a place WHERE HACKING children to death was seen as perfectly normal because yhwh sent revealation to x’ forefathers and x continued in the tradition

    So from bibles perspective KILLING children cannot be IMMORAL irregardless who does it. since agags could simply be CARRYING out his forefathers TRADITION which yhwh had given…

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  4. Mr.Apple

    I was watching Daniel vs Harris Sultan. Harris presented a hadith in which Prophet(saw) said every Muslim must fight and fighting is necessary on every Muslim’ and then Harris asked Daniel why is he sitting in his room and not fighting? Daniel was unable to answer this question. Can you please explain this hadith?

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      1. Mr.Apple

        For reference–> watch Daniel vs Harris I don’t know the Hadith number.
        where is it told about ‘necessary’ Can you please elaborate?

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      2. “Moreover I mentioned ‘fighting is necessary’ not ‘fight when necessary’”

        Yes you said fighting is necessary but the question that pops up is *when* is fighting necessary?

        Nowhere does your quote imply that we must *always* fight

        My point was fighting is necessary upon all Muslims when the conditions for fighting are necessary

        “For reference–> watch Daniel vs Harris I don’t know the Hadith number.”

        That’s literally a 3hr+ video, I’ll leave it to the others to look for it

        Regards

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Mr. Apple

      When you ask a question you have to pull up the hadith with it. Many times kuffar place their own personal spin on our stuff (aka a “reading between the lines” fallacy) this is why it’s important to see the actual text. But as noted by Morning, Harris’s interpretation would be retarded as that does not create stable empires.

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  5. ANSWERMYQUESTION

    Why Hinduism is called a Mythology and not Abrahmaic faiths? because even in those 3 religions there are no proof of many prophets and events.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      Dirty bastard:

      What bible say,

      “But if you are not satisfied with her, you shall let her go free and not sell her for money.”

      From pleasure to dissatisfaction which would obviously be a common problem….but note law is allowing for woman to be let go off, rabbi elliot who gave his son a CHANCE NOW HAS his chance to bang captive woman ….ALREADY law accomodates lol lol

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  6. Larry

    @ Morningstar

    The ahadith are part of Islam. Always have been. We don’t just reject some ahadith willy-nilly. There is a process to it, unlike your stupid Bibull”
    Up to the same thing as usual It was already explained to him by someone else and either he didn’t get it or he simply ignored it on purpose but judging from his poor intelligence i’d take the first option
    “What Irenaeus, who was a church father and far more knowledgeable about the Bible that a donkey like you,”
    Yes infact he has more authority for interpretation in the church hierarchy and in terms of “divine” guidance due to the fact that as per Jerome he was a disciple of Papias who learned the infallible holy spirit-filled teachings of John from the Apostle John himself and he also learned from Polycarp who in turn learned from John as well
    “The funny thing is this as a Christian we don’t say we take any other book apart from bible”
    Yet you use those same writings from the early fathers to establish a grammar for the greek text of the new testament
    Yet you used the same writings from the early fathers to argue against Unitarian and JW alternative interpretations of Trinitarian prooftexts
    Yet you use the same writings to establish a canon
    Yet you use the same writings to establish identity of authorship for the NT
    Yet you use those same writings to authoritatively interpret other ambiguous texts
    What on earth would be your bible without those texts…you need them even for a simple thing such as grammar tsk tsk

    I am not sure if you have been following everything since I have been on this forum but I will explain myself again since you are new and I don’t know if you are an honest person… I never said Muslims don’t accept hadith and I know the process they use which Christians finds dodgy, Me personally think hadith is rubbish not that I think Quran is good but that’s not the case . with the hadiths you accepted it still proves Mohamed is fake.
    Translation and Interpretation are two different things I don’t need to tell any Muslim this because even though you have Tafsir in your Quran you still reject it when it doesn’t favour what you are trying to say, I don’t know why all of a sudden a Christian can not reject interpretation if they think is wrong .

    This is what the text was translated to not interpret to
    Genesis 19:32-35 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve the lineage of our father.” 33 So they made their father drink wine that night. And the firstborn went in and lay with her father, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.34 It happened on the next day that the firstborn said to the younger, “Indeed I lay with my father last night; let us make him drink wine tonight also, and you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve the lineage of our father.” 35 Then they made their father drink wine that night also. And the younger arose and lay with him, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.

    QB argued that Lot knew when the firstborn arose because of what Rashi said, then I said to him that’s Rashi’s interpretation not translation of the text, so I said lets go with your theory of Rashi’s interpretation to see if God told Lot to do anything… bare in mind what started this whole conversation is I said there is no way Quran 33:37 can come from God because God will not tell you to do something that we cause you to sin.. So all I ask QB is to show me where God told Lot or his daughters to do what they did… Rashi didn’t write bible so if the person that wrote Genesis didn’t write God told Lot and his daughters to do what they did and the explanation that Rashi gives doesn’t go according to what is written I don’t know why you guys are having problem with that… He then said Irenaeus said it was by divine arrangement, How can Lot’s and his daughter’s decision be blamed on God.. Lot knew where Abraham is and He knew God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of their sin, so obviously He knew God didn’t destroy Abraham and if you say he thought Abraham is dead too, no where the angels said to him they want to destroy the whole world and also it was the elder sister that said to younger there is no man on earth again… did God told her that? Since when God is responsible for every decision we made in life… why cant she accept to die without having a child? Why would you want to blame God for some else decision .. If all you want to do is assume that God told them or divinely arrange it then it will not work… I didn’t assume that Allah told Mohamed he will marry Zaynab after she divorce while she was still married to Zaid.. so again if you want to argue your case don’t bring assumption to defend yourself… I know my God, He doesn’t tell people to do things that will cause them to sin if you don’t know that then clearly you don’t know anything.. All I need is a proof where God spoke to them like what Mohamed claimed..

    Again with Rashi’s claim that Lot knew when the first daughter arose, how does that make him a part of what the girls did? If someone is drunk and do something it doesn’t mean they will remember what happened …most times they need someone to tell them what they did while drunk, Bible didn’t say He knew what was going on when he was having sex nor did Rashi suggest it… then QB said why did he drink the following night as if he has not heard about people that love drinking …why did elder sis didn’t suggest let us seduce our father? Why wine? He must have love his wine and they used what he love to get him.. with all this still if we should agree with QB that Lot knew from start to finish not that I agree there no where God is involved in what transpired … Only if you can tell me if a man is born in to a poverty family and he decided to start robbing people for money it also divine arrangement because he thought there is no way He can make money in life than to steal and his not his fault to be born in a poor family God divinely arranged it lol…

    So in conclusion if you can show me where a text in translated to God told Lot and his daughters to do what they did then I will agree with you if not please don’t bring interpretation to me and also if we can blame God for every bad decision we make when we are in difficult situation then I will agree with you.
    Just 1 question why will God divinely arranged it?

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      1. Larry

        QB This was all explained. Muhammad (pbuh) knew that they would divorce. He also knew they were having marriage difficulties. Knowing that, he thought that he could marry Zaynab if they did divorce. His prediction came true. He did not think of anything else, only that he would marry Zaynab. So no sin. Meanwhile, your pagan god allowed his prophets to literally commit sin and get away with it.
        Funny how I cant see he was sacred anymore

        QB LOL! You idiot donkey! Do you really think that waiting for the Quran to be revealed would make any difference? The people whose opinions he was mindful of were the PAGANS and HYPOCRITES, not the Muslims. It would not have mattered if he waited for the verse to be revealed. The pagans and hypocrites would STILL be critical of the marriage because Zayd was his adopted son. LOL, you are such an idiot
        Are you sure PAGANS and HYPOCRITES..? He wasn’t sacred of Muslims ? LOOL We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them.. That is what your Quran said .. according to your Quran BELIVERS are not comfortable with the ideal of it…LOL MR QB

        LARRY Just in case you want to talk about Quran 33:37 all you need to do is tell me why Mohamed claimed he was sacred at first and not scared again before Quran 33:37 is revealed then maybe I can understand
        QB RESPONSE: LOL, because he was human, you idiot, and he knew that marrying the divorced wife of an adopted son was considered taboo in Arabian society. And we know that he was STILL afraid of what people might think. This is proven by the hadith of Aisha (ra):

        LOOOL I will be sorry for myself too if I was in your shoe to defend a fake prophet like Mohamed… Sir you didn’t answer my question tell me why Mohamed claimed he was sacred at first and not scared again before Quran 33:37 is revealed.. I can understand if he got his courage from Quran 33:37 but he already sent Zaid before he received Quran 33:37 so clearly he didn’t get it from Allah, why was he not sacred anymore all of a sudden? Do you not remember how Allah is not happy with him for being sacred of people? Did Allah give him a power or something that makes him not scared anymore? LOL The hadith you are quoting is what made things worst for you Please and Please explain
        Reference : Sahih Muslim 1428b
        In-book reference : Book 16, Hadith 105
        USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 8, Hadith 3330
        When the ‘Iddah of Zainab was over, Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said to Zaid to make a mention to her about him. Zaid went on until he came to her and she was fermenting her flour. He (Zaid) said: As I saw her I felt in my heart an idea of her greatness so much so that I could not see towards her (simply for the fact) that Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) had made a mention of her. So I turned my back towards her. and I turned upon my heels, and said: Zainab, Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) has sent (me) with a message to you. She said: I do not do anything until I solicit the will of my Lord. So she stood at her place of worship and the (verse of) the Qur’an (pertaining to her marriage) were revealed, and Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) came to her without permission

        As you can see in this hadith at the time that Mohamed sent Zaid to propose to Zaynab on his behalf Allah has not reveal the verse.. before you said He was scared to tell Zaid what Allah revealed about him marrying Zaynab, also He was scared of what people will say.. that is what you said… How come he wasn’t scared to send Zaid to her when she is divorced ? The reason why he was scared in the first place is still there when he sent Zaid to propose to Zaynab.. cant you see how much courage he’s got to send Zaid… if he was sacred I don’t think he would have sent Zaid… Lol morally a lot of people will never send your ex to you wow… anyway what did I know… Please I beg you make me understand why he wasn’t scared anymore I really want to know…

        Let me ask you these questions maybe it will help you understand how this cant be from God
        Narrated Anas: Zaid bin Haritha came to the Prophet (ﷺ) complaining about his wife. The Prophet (ﷺ) kept on saying (to him), “Be afraid of Allah and keep your wife.” Aisha said, “If Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) were to conceal anything
        Explain how this hadith shows he was sacred of people, did Aisha said something different from what Q33:37 says or you are saying it because it was Aisha that said it and we should believe her?

        When the ‘Iddah of Zainab was over, Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said to Zaid to make a mention to her about him. Zaid went on until he came to her and she was fermenting her flour. He (Zaid) said
        This Hadith is saying while Zaid was talking to Zaynab about Mohamed’s proposal that’s when God revealed Q33:37 which means they are not married at the time…how come Allah now said We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them And ever is the command of Allah accomplished.. If you look at Q33:37 Allah is talking in past tense as if it has happened already … We married, and command of Allah accomplished, you concealed within yourself all this indicates that when Q33:37 Mohamed already married Zaynab.
        If you read 33.37 Maududi – Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an this Tafsir clearly says The discourse from here to verse 48 was sent down after the Holy Prophet had married Hadrat Zainab which will make sense with the way Allah is talking in past tense.. I hope you have answer for this

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      2. DONKEY: Are you sure PAGANS and HYPOCRITES..? He wasn’t sacred of Muslims ? LOOL We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them.. That is what your Quran said .. according to your Quran BELIVERS are not comfortable with the ideal of it…LOL MR QB

        RESPONSE: 😂😂😂 Donkey, the verse mentions “people” in general, and then mentions the believers.

        “And ˹remember, O Prophet,˺ when you said to the one1 for whom Allah has done a favour and you ˹too˺ have done a favour,2 “Keep your wife and fear Allah,” while concealing within yourself what Allah was going to reveal. And ˹so˺ you were considering the PEOPLE, whereas Allah was more worthy of your consideration. So when Zaid totally lost interest in ˹keeping˺ his wife, We gave her to you in marriage, so that there would be no blame on the BELIEVERS for marrying the ex-wives of their adopted sons after their divorce. And Allah’s command is totally binding.”

        “People” is general and obviously includes the unbelievers. This is obvious because the Prophet would have nothing to fear from his followers. They would obey anything he told them to do. The part about the believers is to explain that if the Prophet led by example, they would have no difficulties in marrying the divorced wives of their adopted sons, if the situation ever arose. Get it, donkey? Leave the tafsir of the verse to us. We don’t need a donkey like you to explain it. Okay? 😂

        DONKEY: LOOOL I will be sorry for myself too if I was in your shoe to defend a fake prophet like Mohamed… Sir you didn’t answer my question tell me why Mohamed claimed he was sacred at first and not scared again before Quran 33:37 is revealed..

        RESPONSE: 🤣🤣 You should be sorry for yourself since you’re desperately trying to defend your fake god and his fake Bibull.
        Your question was answered donkey. I know your intellect is not up to par with normal people, but you got no one to blame for that but yourself.

        DONKEY: I can understand if he got his courage from Quran 33:37 but he already sent Zaid before he received Quran 33:37 so clearly he didn’t get it from Allah, why was he not sacred anymore all of a sudden?

        RESPONSE: He sent Zayd but that doesn’t mean he was completely at ease. He might still have the completely natural feeling that the unbelievers would attack him for that. See, donkey? It’s very easy to refute you. Stop being stupid for once in your pathetic Christian life.😂

        DONKEY: As you can see in this hadith at the time that Mohamed sent Zaid to propose to Zaynab on his behalf Allah has not reveal the verse.. before you said He was scared to tell Zaid what Allah revealed about him marrying Zaynab, also He was scared of what people will say.. that is what you said…

        RESPONSE: You donkey, show where I said he was “scared to tell Zaid”. I said he was scared of what the unbelievers and hypocrites might think.

        DONKEY: The reason why he was scared in the first place is still there when he sent Zaid to propose to Zaynab.. cant you see how much courage he’s got to send Zaid… if he was sacred I don’t think he would have sent Zaid… Lol morally a lot of people will never send your ex to you wow… anyway what did I know… Please I beg you make me understand why he wasn’t scared anymore I really want to know…

        RESPONSE: LOL, he sent Zayd because the divorce had been finalized and the waiting period was finished. Yes, he was still apprehensive about the whole thing, and was worried about what people might say. That’s completely natural. Try again, donkey. 😂

        DONKEY: Let me ask you these questions maybe it will help you understand how this cant be from God
        Narrated Anas: Zaid bin Haritha came to the Prophet (ﷺ) complaining about his wife. The Prophet (ﷺ) kept on saying (to him), “Be afraid of Allah and keep your wife.” Aisha said, “If Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) were to conceal anything
        Explain how this hadith shows he was sacred of people, did Aisha said something different from what Q33:37 says or you are saying it because it was Aisha that said it and we should believe her?

        RESPONSE: 🤣😂😂 Donkey shows how stupid he is yet again! Read the hadith, you moron! It literally says “were to conceal anything”! Why would he “conceal” it if it wasn’t because of what he thought some people would say? LOL!! Use what’s left of your brain, donkey. I know you’re used to disgusting, evil stories in your Bibull, but you won’t find those in the Quran or ahadith.

        DONKEY: This Hadith is saying while Zaid was talking to Zaynab about Mohamed’s proposal that’s when God revealed Q33:37 which means they are not married at the time…how come Allah now said We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them And ever is the command of Allah accomplished.. If you look at Q33:37 Allah is talking in past tense as if it has happened already … We married, and command of Allah accomplished, you concealed within yourself all this indicates that when Q33:37 Mohamed already married Zaynab.

        RESPONSE: 😂🤣 Look at the fake sheikh donkey Larry trying to give us his own tafsir! Hold your donkeys, donkey Larry. No one cares about your personal interpretations.

        Ibn Kathir already explained this, idiot. The marriage of Muhammad (pbuh) and Zaynab was already concluded by Allah (swt). In normal marriages, the wali (guardian) of the woman must consent to the marriage. In this case, Allah was the wali. Here is what Ibn Kathir says:

        “…the One Who was her Wali (guardian) in this marriage was Allah Himself, in the sense that He revealed to the Prophet that he should go in unto her without any Wali, contractual agreement, dowery or witnesses among mankind.”

        This is why the Prophet proposed to her. Remember, he already KNEW he would be married to her, even before the verse was revealed. And when Zaynab said that she wanted to pray to Allah first before making a decision, the verse was revealed:

        “She said, `I will not do anything until I pray to my Lord, may He be glorified.’ So she went to the place where she usually prayed. Then Qur’an was revealed and the Messenger of Allah came and entered without permission. We were there when she entered upon the Messenger of Allah, and for the wedding feast we offered bread and meat.”

        This is why Zaynab herself boasted that she had been married to the Prophet by Allah Himself:

        “Anas bin Malik said: Zainab bint Jahsh used to boast to the other wives of the Prophet and say: “Allah married me to him from above the Heavens.” And the Verse of Hijab was revealed concerning her.” (Nasai)

        DONKEY: If you read 33.37 Maududi – Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an this Tafsir clearly says The discourse from here to verse 48 was sent down after the Holy Prophet had married Hadrat Zainab which will make sense with the way Allah is talking in past tense.. I hope you have answer for this

        RESPONSE: LOL!! First of all, this is just one opinion. I already showed what Ibn Kathir said.

        Second, keep reading what Maududi said:

        “Some people have misconstrued this sentence to mean this: The Holy Prophet desired to marry Hadrat Zainab and wanted that Zaid should divorce her. But when Zaid came to the Holy Prophet and said that he wanted to divorce his wife, the Holy Prophet stopped him from this only half-heartedly. At this Allaln said: ‘You were keeping hidden in your heart that which Allah intended to reveal. The real meaning, however, is contrary to this. If this the sentence is read with verses 1, 2, 3 and 7 of this Surah, one can clearly see that in the very days when bitterness was increasing between Hadrat Zaid and his wife, ALLAH HAD HINTED TO HIS PROPHET THAT WHEN ZAID HAD DIVORCED HIS WIFE, HE WOULD HAVE TO MARRY THE DIVORCED LADY. But since the Holy Prophet knew what it meant to marry the divorced wife of the adopted son in the contemporary Arab society, and that too at a time when apart from a handful of the Muslims the entire country had become jealous of him, he was hesitant to take any step in that direction. That is why when Hadrat Zaid expressed his intention to divorce his wife, the Holy Prophet said to him, `Fear Allah and do not divorce your wife.” WHAT HE MEANT BY THIS WAS THAT ZAID SHOULD NOT DIVORCE HIS WIFE SO THAT HE WAS SAVED FROM FACING THE TRIAL, OTHERWISE IN CASE THE DIVORCE WAS PRONOUNCED HE WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE COMMAND, and THUS PROVOKE A SEVERE STORM OF CRITICISM AND VILIFICATION AGAINST HIMSELF. But when the Holy Prophet deliberately forbade Zaid to divorce his wife so that he himself might be saved from what he feared would cause him defamation, Allah found this below the high position that He wanted His Prophet to enjoy, whereas Allah intended to effect a great reform through this marriage of the Prophet. The words ‘You were fearing the people, whereas Allah has a greater right that you should fear Him,” clearly point to the same theme.”

        He makes a very good point. Why would the Prophet have made up the revelation when he knew the scorn and ridicule it would invite from his enemies? Just because he wanted to marry Zaynab, he went through the trouble of making up a revelation and risk inviting further scorn? That doesn’t make any sense.

        Plus, as I have pointed out before, the Prophet knew Zaynab all her life. She was his cousin and he was the one who married her to Zayd in the first place. He would have already seen how beautiful she was. Why didn’t he just marry her himself from the start? Remember, this was before the law of hijab was revealed, so women didn’t cover themselves with hijab yet.

        Give it up, donkey. Your lies will not work. The unholy spirit that talks to you in your mind (assuming you’re not simply a nutjob) is demonic. By the way, I wanted to ask you. Has this “voice” in your head talked to you again?

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      3. Larry

        QB RESPONSE: No one cares for your whining, donkey. If you’re gonna open your mouth and spread lies about Islam and the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), I will chew you up and spit you out. So stop being a crybaby
        LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL you will chew me or you want to kill me with lies….
        Deuteronomy 5:8-9 I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
        Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.” (Deut 24:16)
        LOL 5:8-9 God is talking about what HE will do (Deut 24:16) God is telling Isrealite what to do …. How is that a contradiction besides if you read Ezekiel 18 you will see how God explained why The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father.. By the way things are going I think it will be better to be talking to you on Zoom rather than online lol…

        LARRY Let see if you can answer with a straightforward answer your brothers have not been able to do so.. Deuteronomy 5:8-9 is it truly from God? Or did Moses lie? Or that verse never exist during the time of Moses and Jews never practice anything like that.
        QB We don’t care, donkey, because we don’t believe in your Bible. We have our Quran and Sunnah. That’s all we need. We believe your Bible is corrupt, idiot. Even if Deuteronomy 5 was authentic, it still contradicts Deuteronomy 24:16 and Ezekiel 18:20. That’s a problem for you, not for us. So far, you have failed miserably to explain why your evil god felt it necessary to MURDER INNOCENT CHILDREN AND BABIES. For God’s sake, think about this rationally. Do you honestly think the True and Just God would order such barbarism? Killing a baby? Can you imagine the carnage? A soldier sticking a sword into the body of an infant? Why can’t you see how evil that is?
        QB QB QB are you saying Deuteronomy 5:8-9 is fake ? wow wow wow wow QBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB Deuteronomy 5:8-9 is the first commandment of God… do you have evidence that this is fake?

        LARRY A very important question did Mohamed tell anyone about what God revealed to him before Zaid and Zaynab divorced?
        QB RESPONSE: There is no indication that he did, donkey. The verse says he “concealed” what Allah would reveal. So, most likely he didn’t tell anyone.
        Lool You are killing me here… do you know why God told Hosea and Isaiah to do what they did before it happened ? its easy for anyone to see that Hosea and Isaiah are real prophet of God… they say things and even act it out before it happened but your Mohamed said Allah revealed something to him after the even already happened …. How can you believe that? What did Mohamed use to brainwash you like this? Did Mohamed even reveal anything before it happened ?

        LARYY DONKEY: Are you sure PAGANS and HYPOCRITES..? He wasn’t sacred of Muslims ? LOOL We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them.. That is what your Quran said .. according to your Quran BELIVERS are not comfortable with the ideal of it…LOL MR QB
        QB RESPONSE: Donkey, the verse mentions “people” in general, and then mentions the believers.
        LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE…. This was your response below.. so you don’t know your Quran and you are defending it LOOL … Since you don’t know your Quran let me explain what difference it would make…If Quran 33:37 was reveal before He send Zaid to propose to Zaynab then it will means everyone would have known this is what Allah want Mohamed to do and there will be no reason for him to be sacred anymore…. But for him not to be sacred of sending Zaid before Quran 33:37 it goes to show that He wasn’t scared of anyone as you claimed and Mohamed claimed …You said because of what Aisha said in the Hadith it means He was scared NO it doesn’t…. Aisha just repeated what Quran 33:37 says ….Mohamed lied to everyone that Allah revealed Q33:37 in other for him to marry Zaynab..

        QB RESPONSE: LOL! You idiot donkey! Do you really think that waiting for the Quran to be revealed would make any difference? The people whose opinions he was mindful of were the PAGANS and HYPOCRITES, not the Muslims. It would not have mattered if he waited for the verse to be revealed. The pagans and hypocrites would STILL be critical of the marriage because Zayd was his adopted son. LOL, you are such an idiot!

        QB He sent Zayd but that doesn’t mean he was completely at ease. He might still have the completely natural feeling that the unbelievers would attack him for that. See, donkey? It’s very easy to refute you. Stop being stupid for once in your pathetic Christian life
        LOL He MIGHT very funny so now you are saying you are not sure if He was scared… HE MIGHT not HE IS lol…

        QB RESPONSE: LOL, he sent Zayd because the divorce had been finalized and the waiting period was finished. Yes, he was still apprehensive about the whole thing, and was worried about what people might say. That’s completely natural. Try again, donkey
        What did he do after the divorce for you to think he was still apprehensive about the whole thing? What he did for me to know he wasn’t scared He sent Zaid to propose that shows he doesn’t care what anyone will say.

        QB Donkey shows how stupid he is yet again! Read the hadith, you moron! It literally says “were to conceal anything”! Why would he “conceal” it if it wasn’t because of what he thought some people would say? LOL!! Use what’s left of your brain, donkey. I know you’re used to disgusting, evil stories in your Bibull, but you won’t find those in the Quran or ahadith.
        Seriously I am concerned about you.. Do you even know how this whole thing happened…. Mohamed didn’t tell anyone about what Allah told him about Zaynab… even at the point He sent Zaid to propose … same day that he sent Zaid to propose He claimed Q.33:37 was revealed … that is when everyone knew what Allah want him to do. so how can Aisha know if Mohamed was to conceal any verse it would have been that? Because Mohamed said so? Mohamed already carried out his assignment but He was trying to let people to think it was hard for him to do the job… LOOOOL if he had already told Aisha about it before then I would understand that Aisha knew about it and she knew how much Mohamed doesn’t want it to happen… all of you are just taking Mohamed’s word which is a lie… do you not understand that what Aisha said about Mohamed being scared she would have got it from him because no knew he was scared expect him alone… by the time everyone know about what Allah told him to do he has already done it and He was lying to everyone I was scared I didn’t want to do it as first and as Muslims always accept every lies he fed them … they all believed him

        I suggest you read 33.37 Maududi – Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an this Tafsir … That is right with the way Quran 33:37 was revealed in the past and it shows that Mohamed lied about it and you said this is just one opinion Lol now you don’t want opinion of your scholars that fit better than others

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      4. DONKEY: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL you will chew me or you want to kill me with lies….

        RESPONSE: 🤣 Lying is what you and your god do. Your god deceived Jeremiah, the poor chap. 😂🤣🤣🤣

        DONKEY: LOL 5:8-9 God is talking about what HE will do (Deut 24:16) God is telling Isrealite what to do …. How is that a contradiction besides if you read Ezekiel 18 you will see how God explained why The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father.. By the way things are going I think it will be better to be talking to you on Zoom rather than online lol…

        RESPONSE: LOL!! You silly donkey, when your god TOLD the Israelites to kill innocent children, he was not doing it himself! How dumb are you???

        You will get slaughtered on Zoom as you did before. What does tashahhud mean, donkey? 😂😂

        DONKEY: QB QB QB are you saying Deuteronomy 5:8-9 is fake ? wow wow wow wow QBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB Deuteronomy 5:8-9 is the first commandment of God… do you have evidence that this is fake?

        RESPONSE: 🤣😂 wow wow wow wow DONKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY, did your brain rot when you became a pagan crosstian? Go back and read what I said, donkey. It makes no difference to me whether Deut 5 is fake or not. That doesn’t excuse your god commanding evil actions like killing a baby. Normal people know this is evil, but your evil religion thinks it was just.
        Plus, Deuteronomy 5 only talks about generations being affected because of the sins of their ancestors. That doesn’t mean it was okay to murder children, you moron. 🤦‍♂️

        DONKEY: Lool You are killing me here… do you know why God told Hosea and Isaiah to do what they did before it happened ? its easy for anyone to see that Hosea and Isaiah are real prophet of God… they say things and even act it out before it happened but your Mohamed said Allah revealed something to him after the even already happened …. How can you believe that? What did Mohamed use to brainwash you like this? Did Mohamed even reveal anything before it happened ?

        RESPONSE: 😂🤣 Donkey, don’t even become a comedian because people will laugh at you rather than at your jokes. Moron, Hosea and Isaiah could just have made up these “revelations” because Hosea like hookers and Isaiah was a nudist. 😂😂

        Donkey boy, did you forget that Muhammad (pbuh) already knew that Zayd and Zaynab were going to divorce? This was before the verse was revealed. He had been informed by God that the divorce would happen. This proves he was a true prophet. Unlike the Biblical Isaiah, who made many false prophecies. 🤣🤣

        DONKEY: LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE…. This was your response below.. so you don’t know your Quran and you are defending it LOOL … Since you don’t know your Quran let me explain what difference it would make…If Quran 33:37 was reveal before He send Zaid to propose to Zaynab then it will means everyone would have known this is what Allah want Mohamed to do and there will be no reason for him to be sacred anymore…. But for him not to be sacred of sending Zaid before Quran 33:37 it goes to show that He wasn’t scared of anyone as you claimed and Mohamed claimed …You said because of what Aisha said in the Hadith it means He was scared NO it doesn’t…. Aisha just repeated what Quran 33:37 says ….Mohamed lied to everyone that Allah revealed Q33:37 in other for him to marry Zaynab..

        RESPONSE: 😂😂😂 Oh donkey, you silly moron. You ignored the vocabulary lesson I just gave you. “People” is a general term, idiot. It includes ANY person, whether believer or disbeliever. This is a fact, donkey, which you can’t refute. The verse says he feared the “people”. This means the disbelievers because they were the main critics and he knew they would use this incident to attack him. Try again, donkey.

        DONKEY: LOL He MIGHT very funny so now you are saying you are not sure if He was scared… HE MIGHT not HE IS lol…

        RESPONSE: 😂 What happened, donkey? No response? I guess you are admitting you got refuted? 🤣

        DONKEY: What did he do after the divorce for you to think he was still apprehensive about the whole thing? What he did for me to know he wasn’t scared He sent Zaid to propose that shows he doesn’t care what anyone will say.

        RESPONSE: 😂😂 Use your common sense, donkey. Oh wait, sorry. I know you’re a donkey so you have no common sense. 🤣 The pagan unbelievers were the people he was concerned about, moron. He knew they would use this incident to malign him. This is self-evident. It was considered taboo to marry your adopted son’s ex-wife. Well, at least the pagans also thought marrying your half-sister was also taboo, unlike your depraved god. 😂

        DONKEY: Mohamed didn’t tell anyone about what Allah told him about Zaynab… even at the point He sent Zaid to propose … same day that he sent Zaid to propose He claimed Q.33:37 was revealed … that is when everyone knew what Allah want him to do. so how can Aisha know if Mohamed was to conceal any verse it would have been that? Because Mohamed said so?

        RESPONSE: 🤣🤣 He would have told her that, yes, but the fact that it caused him apprehension is obvious given that it was a TABOO in that time. What are you not getting, donkey?

        DONKEY: I suggest you read 33.37 Maududi – Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an this Tafsir … That is right with the way Quran 33:37 was revealed in the past and it shows that Mohamed lied about it and you said this is just one opinion Lol now you don’t want opinion of your scholars that fit better than others

        RESPONSE: LOL, who are you kidding, donkey? We know you didn’t actually read Maududi’s entire commentary on the incident. I already humiliated you on this too. Let me repeat:

        “Some people have misconstrued this sentence to mean this: The Holy Prophet desired to marry Hadrat Zainab and wanted that Zaid should divorce her. But when Zaid came to the Holy Prophet and said that he wanted to divorce his wife, the Holy Prophet stopped him from this only half-heartedly. At this Allaln said: ‘You were keeping hidden in your heart that which Allah intended to reveal. The real meaning, however, is contrary to this. If this the sentence is read with verses 1, 2, 3 and 7 of this Surah, one can clearly see that in the very days when bitterness was increasing between Hadrat Zaid and his wife, ALLAH HAD HINTED TO HIS PROPHET THAT WHEN ZAID HAD DIVORCED HIS WIFE, HE WOULD HAVE TO MARRY THE DIVORCED LADY. But since the Holy Prophet knew what it meant to marry the divorced wife of the adopted son in the contemporary Arab society, and that too at a time when apart from a handful of the Muslims the entire country had become jealous of him, he was hesitant to take any step in that direction. That is why when Hadrat Zaid expressed his intention to divorce his wife, the Holy Prophet said to him, `Fear Allah and do not divorce your wife.” WHAT HE MEANT BY THIS WAS THAT ZAID SHOULD NOT DIVORCE HIS WIFE SO THAT HE WAS SAVED FROM FACING THE TRIAL, OTHERWISE IN CASE THE DIVORCE WAS PRONOUNCED HE WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE COMMAND, and THUS PROVOKE A SEVERE STORM OF CRITICISM AND VILIFICATION AGAINST HIMSELF. But when the Holy Prophet deliberately forbade Zaid to divorce his wife so that he himself might be saved from what he feared would cause him defamation, Allah found this below the high position that He wanted His Prophet to enjoy, whereas Allah intended to effect a great reform through this marriage of the Prophet. The words ‘You were fearing the people, whereas Allah has a greater right that you should fear Him,” clearly point to the same theme.”

        He makes a very good point. Why would the Prophet have made up the revelation when he knew the scorn and ridicule it would invite from his enemies? Just because he wanted to marry Zaynab, he went through the trouble of making up a revelation and risk inviting further scorn? That doesn’t make any sense.

        Plus, as I have pointed out before, the Prophet knew Zaynab all her life. She was his cousin and he was the one who married her to Zayd in the first place. He would have already seen how beautiful she was. Why didn’t he just marry her himself from the start? Remember, this was before the law of hijab was revealed, so women didn’t cover themselves with hijab yet.

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      5. Larry

        QB RESPONSE: Look guys, it looks like donkey Larry’s feelings have been hurt too much and he’s planning on making a get-away!

        Loool in your dreams… you threating that you will barn me from your forum if I don’t reply to you…Lool you are forcing me to waste time on stupid things that doesn’t make sense,, you don’t want to reason and be honest.. do you know how long it takes to explain things to you because of how dishonest you are? Things would have been easy if you are honest and knowledgeable enough ..

        LARRY I asked you to show me where it says it’s a sin to marry your half sister at the time of Abraham you said a sin is a sin… How do you know marrying your half sister was a sin then? Very simple question..

        QB RESPONSE: LOL!! The donkey is STILL asking for evidence that MARRYING YOUR HALF-SISTER (i.e., INCEST) was a sin according to his Bible. He doesn’t realize that this does not save his disgusting religion. There is no explicit verse stating that marrying your half-sister is a sin, just as there is no verse stating having sex with your father is not a sin! Donkey, if you think that this somehow saves your silly god and book, you’re in for a rude awakening. If your god did not declare INCEST to be a sin, well that just shows what a deranged, fake god you worship.

        You are far gone only God can save you…I am honest that’s why but you would rather lie in other to prove your point… God didn’t do anything wrong by not condemning Incest before Moses…IF YOU TRULY KNOW WHAT THE WORD GOD MEANS THEN YOU WILL KNOW HOW SILLY YOUR ARGUMENT IS… I ALREADY TOLD YOU GOD LAY THAN THE LAW NOT YOU OR MOHAMED OR QURAN OR ME… SO WHEN GOD DECIDES TO MAKE IT A LAW HE DID DURING THE TIME OF MOSES.. why didn’t you blame God for leaving Adam and Eve naked in the garden of Eden?… I cant help you on this anymore…. Your heart is not pure that’s why you are not getting it…its not that difficult to understand why things were the way they used to be before God gave Moses all the Laws. There are so many things we can say why did God do this and that but who are we to judge? Lool QB want to judge God

        LARRY Reading the bible we can see its normal for them at the time, they didn’t have problem with it.. there are things people use to do thinking its alright before God gave them Law.

        QB RESPONSE: HAHAHAHAHA!!! So donkey thinks that incest was “normal” at the time??? What kind of disgusting time was this? So what about RAPE and BESTIALITY? Does your Bible say those things were sins at that time too?

        Lool seriously you sounded like a cool guy on Zoom but it seems because you are behind Laptop you are just saying whatever that comes to your head without taking time to see if its right or wrong.. I said we can see its normal for them at the time, they didn’t have problem with it.. there are things people use to do thinking its alright before God gave them Law… I never said God told them it’s a right thing to do or its not right …. People do what they think is right and when there is no Law that says otherwise why would they not do it? Why are you like this? Please be serious for once.. why is this so difficult for you to understand … Do you want to tell God what to do and when to do it?

        QB RESPONSE: If he was that drunk, then being able to get sexually excited would be very unlikely. And sexual arousal REQUIRES the man’s awareness. A man can’t have sex if he is not aware of what’s going on. This is simply biology. This is embarrassing, donkey. There is nothing more pathetic than a moron who doesn’t know how human sexuality works.

        Lool Professor QB, PHD in Humana sexuality lol https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-support/binge-drinking-effects/ prove them wrong that everything they said is wrong… and while you at it Professor QB please explain how a person can sleepwalk.. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/sleepwalking/ … I am waiting to learn from you my professor . thank you in advance Sir . your sincerely Larry … LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.. Will you still barn me if I don’t reply to all your messages? LOL

        QB RESPONSE: Thanks for proving again that you’re an idiot and that Lot was a sinner whom your god let off the hook. Didn’t Lot know that getting drunk was also a sin? Oh, let me guess. You don’t think it was a sin?

        Lol if I answer then you will show me a verse that comes after so many years of what happened to Lot… funny guy

        QB RESPONSE: Stupid donkey, are you telling me your god bothered to send angels to get Lot and his daughters out of the city safely but couldn’t be bothered to warn them not to engage in another form of sexual deviancy and that there were plenty of men around?

        Maybe take time to read bible instead of you to be saying things you don’t know… God send those Angels because of what Abraham did…Lot and his family would been killed too if not for Abraham..

        QB Now don’t forget to show me where RAPE and BESTIALITY were “sins” before the law of Moses was revealed. If you can’t show any verses, then by your own logic, you would have to admit that those things were not considered sins at all, just like INCEST

        Loool take time to think.. For something to be consider a sin it has to come from God, then that will require you to believe in God. If God have not send down the law and people decides among themselves what they consider right or wrong then that’s what anyone will follow…that’s what we call moral … if at the time they consider Rape as a moral thing to do then its not a sin for them because God has not condemned it.. it only become a sin when God say so… Your problem is You think you and God are the same or you think you know better than God.. You want to know why God didn’t condemned it earlier before Moses.. and for that reason you think God is Bad…. Loool if you can think like that then answer this simple question why do you believe God send Mohamed? Why did God allow people to do all the things they did before sending Mohamed? Since you believe Mohamed came to change the game for us.. He came to tell us what is right and wrong… How to do A and B.. which means they way we were doing was wrong but God didn’t stop it he waited for so long to send Mohamed… MR QB thinking he can question God looool… are you still going to barn me if I don’t reply some of your messages ? lol

        QB RESPONSE: wow wow wow wow DONKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY, did your brain rot when you became a pagan crosstian? Go back and read what I said, donkey. It makes no difference to me whether Deut 5 is fake or not. That doesn’t excuse your god commanding evil actions like killing a baby. Normal people know this is evil, but your evil religion thinks it was just.
        Plus, Deuteronomy 5 only talks about generations being affected because of the sins of their ancestors. That doesn’t mean it was okay to murder children, you moron

        LOOOL you are done … You have problem with God’s commandment .. are you high on something? You all over the place Mr QB…Jokes apart are you serious that you have problem with God’s commandment ? whit what you said its either you don’t believe God send that commandment or you have problem with it… so which one is it? Do you know another problem all of you are having which I was going to discuss with @Rehman and @Stew is you guys are confused.. According to Mohamed and Quran we serve the same God The Father but we Christian are just taking Jesus as God too… According to Mohamed and Quran the same God that we Christians believed that called Abraham, send Moses is the same God that send Mohamed…. But now when you are argue you say that God is bad … that God is pagan… that God kill innocent people… that God allow Abraham to sin… is that what Mohamed and Quran taught you? Or is it something you taught yourself ….. According to Mohamed and Quran ….is God of Abraham that Christians believe in is different from the God that send Mohamed… this is question is for you also @Rehman and @Stew… I was going to speak to you guys about it but Professor QB here has been taking a lot of my time and He threating to barn me if I stop replying him LOOL so I have to finish with him first in other for us to move to another topic.

        QB RESPONSE: Donkey, don’t even become a comedian because people will laugh at you rather than at your jokes. Moron, Hosea and Isaiah could just have made up these “revelations” because Hosea like hookers and Isaiah was a nudist.

        MAKE SURE THAT YOU RESPOND TO ALL THIS I TYPED BELOW DON’T RUN AWAY AT ALL FORGET ABOUT RESPONDING TO THE ONES ABOVE IF YOU CANT JUST FROM HERE ON PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU REPLY

        LOOL why are you like this? if they made it up how come what they said Happened after they revealed what God had told them? If you see me walking naked on the road and you asked me why are you walking naked and I said because God told me this time next year everyone will walk naked for 5months and it happened that people walked naked for 5 months just as have said how can you call that a made up prophecy ? LOOOL are you this brainwashed not to understand that this is exactly what I was saying about your fake prophet? He didn’t tell anyone about what will happen in future .. when Zaid and Zaynab now divorce He cooked up a lie that He already knew they will divorce.. and I showed you how to know Mohamed lied… because He tried to fool you and everyone that the reason he didn’t tell anyone about the revelation is because he was scared … then I showed you his actions that he contradict himself by sending Zaid to propose to Zaynab … The reason he gave for not telling anyone about the revelation is HE WAS SCARED.. You need to understand that when he said Allah revealed to him what will happen at that time Allah has not commanded him to Marry Zaynab its just a revelation of what will happen in future.. if truly he was scared and honest with everything and he wasn’t coveting Zaynab , He would have waited for Allah to send the Law down first before proposing to Zaynab then it would have make sense that He was sacred of People that’s why he didn’t tell anyone but because Allah has now commanded him and make it a law then he doesn’t have a choice that to obey… I just pray for you and every one of you reading it that God should open your heart to understand this.. everything about that verse clearly shows Mohamed is fake.. God shows prophets revelation in other for them to tell people before it happen so that they will know its from God and also the prophet is a true prophet … but I can understand if Mohamed was scared because of how people might see it if he doesn’t tell anyone about it…not even his close companion LOOL.. so no one trust him to that extent ..no one trust him even though Zaynab used to live with him? Even though he would have seeing her so many times? No one will trust him and believe him? Not a single person? OK lets go with NO ONE..so please Can any one explain why Mohamed send Zaid to propose to Zaynab when Allah has not commanded it and make it a law and Also why was he not scared anymore when he sent Zaid.

        QB Donkey boy, did you forget that Muhammad (pbuh) already knew that Zayd and Zaynab were going to divorce? This was before the verse was revealed. He had been informed by God that the divorce would happen. This proves he was a true prophet. Unlike the Biblical Isaiah, who made many false prophecies.

        Seriously I really pray for you .. a grown man to say a thing like this… A man come to you and say God said tomorrow at 1pm I will send bread from heaven and exactly 1pm bread came down from heaven .. you said that man is fake prophet but another man come up to you while the bread is coming down from heaven and he said God me tell me this bread will come down from heaven and you believed that man to be a true prophet … How is this not crazy? How is this not madness ? this is why I can only pray for you that God show you mercy and open your heart of understanding because this is the most craziest thing anyone can say..
        1 don’t you know if Mohamed had revealed this to just 1 person before it happened we will might not be talking about this verse at all
        2 don’t you know if he waited for Allah to command him and make it a law we will might not be talking about this verse at all
        3 don’t you know if the verse was not written in past tense we will might not be talking about this verse at all
        I think God just want to use you to expose Mohamed further that’s why He made you so stubborn to continue talking about it.. As you can see @ Rehman and @Stew left it long time ago because they cant defend it anymore but loool you are so adamant which is good at least it helps prove further that I am right .

        Can I ask you please is there any prophecy that Mohamed gave during his time that came to pass before he died…Please don’t tell me anyone that is not in the quran or about him saying they will win a war… You be stupid to tell your followers you will lose a fight and expect them to follow you..

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      6. DONKEY: Loool in your dreams… you threating that you will barn me from your forum if I don’t reply to you…Lool you are forcing me to waste time on stupid things that doesn’t make sense,, you don’t want to reason and be honest.. do you know how long it takes to explain things to you because of how dishonest you are? Things would have been easy if you are honest and knowledgeable enough ..

        RESPONSE: Loool, why do you keep saying “barn”? Do you not know simply English, donkey? It’s “ban”, dummy. Do you really think anybody would care if I banned you, idiot? We’re not responding to you because we enjoy your company. It’s because we enjoy humiliating braindead donkeys like you. How’s that voice in your, moron? 😂😂

        Oh that reminds me. I asked you before but have you heard that voice again? I’m genuinely interested to know.

        DONKEY: You are far gone only God can save you…I am honest that’s why but you would rather lie in other to prove your point… God didn’t do anything wrong by not condemning Incest before Moses…IF YOU TRULY KNOW WHAT THE WORD GOD MEANS THEN YOU WILL KNOW HOW SILLY YOUR ARGUMENT IS… I ALREADY TOLD YOU GOD LAY THAN THE LAW NOT YOU OR MOHAMED OR QURAN OR ME… SO WHEN GOD DECIDES TO MAKE IT A LAW HE DID DURING THE TIME OF MOSES.. why didn’t you blame God for leaving Adam and Eve naked in the garden of Eden?… I cant help you on this anymore…. Your heart is not pure that’s why you are not getting it…its not that difficult to understand why things were the way they used to be before God gave Moses all the Laws. There are so many things we can say why did God do this and that but who are we to judge? Lool QB want to judge God

        RESPONSE: 🤣🤣 Um yeah, I will judge your silly and depraved god! If your god thought marrying your sister was okay, then he wasn’t “God”, dummy. This is like a Hindu arguing that his gods can do whatever they want, even immoral things, since they are “gods”. You see how stupid that argument is, donkey?

        I’m still waiting for you show where it says in Genesis that RAPE and BESTIALITY were considered sins.

        DONKEY: Lool seriously you sounded like a cool guy on Zoom but it seems because you are behind Laptop you are just saying whatever that comes to your head without taking time to see if its right or wrong.. I said we can see its normal for them at the time, they didn’t have problem with it.. there are things people use to do thinking its alright before God gave them Law… I never said God told them it’s a right thing to do or its not right …. People do what they think is right and when there is no Law that says otherwise why would they not do it? Why are you like this? Please be serious for once.. why is this so difficult for you to understand … Do you want to tell God what to do and when to do it?

        RESPONSE: ANSWER THE QUESTION, DONKEY! Why are you stalling? Where does it say in your book that RAPE and BESTIALITY were sins? I’m waiting. I know you realize you’re stuck, but stalling will only make it worse. Were RAPE and BESTIALITY considered sins before the law of Moses was revealed? Yes or no?

        DONKEY: Lool Professor QB, PHD in Humana sexuality lol https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-support/binge-drinking-effects/ prove them wrong that everything they said is wrong… and while you at it Professor QB please explain how a person can sleepwalk.. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/sleepwalking/ … I am waiting to learn from you my professor . thank you in advance Sir . your sincerely Larry … LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.. Will you still barn me if I don’t reply to all your messages? LOL

        RESPONSE: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oh this is too funny! You are the biggest I have ever seen! The link doesn’t say anything about AWARENESS, you moron! What are you not understanding? In fact, the link actually confirms what I said before. If Lot was really drunk to the point of being unaware, then his sex drive would have been decreased and the likelihood of him getting aroused would decrease! This is what the link says:

        4 glasses of white wine or 4 pints of lager (just over 9 units):
        • You’re easily confused.
        • You’re noticeably emotional.
        • YOUR SEX DRIVE COULD NOW DECREASE AND YOU MAY BECOME LESS CAPABLE.

        But again note that this has NOTHING to do with MENTAL AWARENESS. In order for a man to get sexually aroused and to have an orgasm, he needs to be AWARE!

        You’re a joke, donkey. Oh and by the way, I have a Master’s in biology. What do you have, moron? A Master’s in stupidity? 😂

        DONKEY: Lol if I answer then you will show me a verse that comes after so many years of what happened to Lot… funny guy

        RESPONSE: 😂🤣🤣 Oh my goodness, so getting drunk was also okay??? Man, this must have been an anarchist’s dream come true! No laws, no rules, just do whatever you want! So let me get this straight. Donkey Larry thinks that drunkenness, incest, rape, bestiality, etc. were not considered sins in those days. Is that right, donkey? I mean it must be since you have yet to show where it says that rape and bestiality were sins. 😂😂😂

        DONKEY: Maybe take time to read bible instead of you to be saying things you don’t know… God send those Angels because of what Abraham did…Lot and his family would been killed too if not for Abraham..

        RESPONSE: LOL!! Donkey, you’re the one who said you haven’t even read your Bible yet! If your god was going to kill Lot as well, without warning him to get out, then he would be an unjust tyrant.

        The reality is that Lot was rescued because he was righteous. The only thing Abraham did was ask God to spare the CITY if there even 10 righteous people. Since there weren’t even 10 righteous people, the city was to be destroyed. But God still sent the angels to rescue Lot and his family. Why are you lying against your Bible now, donkey?

        So back to the point, if your god bothered to send angels to rescue Lot and destroy the city, why couldn’t he be bothered to send the angels to tell him and his daughters not to worry and that there are plenty of men around?

        DONKEY: Loool take time to think.. For something to be consider a sin it has to come from God, then that will require you to believe in God. If God have not send down the law and people decides among themselves what they consider right or wrong then that’s what anyone will follow…that’s what we call moral … if at the time they consider Rape as a moral thing to do then its not a sin for them because God has not condemned it.. it only become a sin when God say so… Your problem is You think you and God are the same or you think you know better than God.. You want to know why God didn’t condemned it earlier before Moses.. and for that reason you think God is Bad…. Loool if you can think like that then answer this simple question why do you believe God send Mohamed? Why did God allow people to do all the things they did before sending Mohamed? Since you believe Mohamed came to change the game for us.. He came to tell us what is right and wrong… How to do A and B.. which means they way we were doing was wrong but God didn’t stop it he waited for so long to send Mohamed… MR QB thinking he can question God looool… are you still going to barn me if I don’t reply some of your messages ? lol

        RESPONSE: 🤦‍♂️🤣😂 LOL!! There it is folks! Donkey Larry thinks that since his god didn’t declare RAPE and BESTIALITY as sins, then if people did them, they were not sinning! WOW! This is the god that this moron worships. Drunkenness isn’t a sin. Incest isn’t a sin. Rape isn’t a sin. Bestiality isn’t a sin.

        DONKEY: LOOOL you are done … You have problem with God’s commandment .. are you high on something? You all over the place Mr QB…Jokes apart are you serious that you have problem with God’s commandment ? whit what you said its either you don’t believe God send that commandment or you have problem with it… so which one is it? Do you know another problem all of you are having which I was going to discuss with @Rehman and @Stew is you guys are confused.. According to Mohamed and Quran we serve the same God The Father but we Christian are just taking Jesus as God too… According to Mohamed and Quran the same God that we Christians believed that called Abraham, send Moses is the same God that send Mohamed…. But now when you are argue you say that God is bad … that God is pagan… that God kill innocent people… that God allow Abraham to sin… is that what Mohamed and Quran taught you? Or is it something you taught yourself ….. According to Mohamed and Quran ….is God of Abraham that Christians believe in is different from the God that send Mohamed… this is question is for you also @Rehman and @Stew… I was going to speak to you guys about it but Professor QB here has been taking a lot of my time and He threating to barn me if I stop replying him LOOL so I have to finish with him first in other for us to move to another topic.

        RESPONSE: 😂🤣🤣 Donkey, you’re the one who hears voices. Maybe you were high at the time? 😂

        Donkey, I have a problem with your evil god’s commandment. If you think you can excuse every evil order your god gave, then you would have to accept similar arguments from non-Christians. A Hindu can say that his god’s actions or command may seem immoral but since he is a “god”, it makes it right and humans have no right to criticize it. You see how stupid you sound, you donkey?

        Muslims don’t believe in these evil commands, you moron. You should already know this as an alleged “ex-Muslim”. We don’t believe the God of Abraham ordered the murders of thousands children and babies. In fact, the Quran and Sunnah forbid killing women and children, and only allow fighting against armed combatants. It is an act of cowardice to stick a sword in the body of a baby because you had the delusion that your god ordered it. Come to your senses, you moron. It’s not worth your ego to spend eternity in hell.

        DONKEY: MAKE SURE THAT YOU RESPOND TO ALL THIS I TYPED BELOW DON’T RUN AWAY AT ALL FORGET ABOUT RESPONDING TO THE ONES ABOVE IF YOU CANT JUST FROM HERE ON PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU REPLY

        RESPONSE: 😂😂😂😂 Writing in all caps won’t save you from me, donkey.

        DONKEY: if they made it up how come what they said Happened after they revealed what God had told them?

        RESPONSE: 🤣😂🤣 Moron, what they said didn’t happen. Let me give you an example from Isaiah. Let’s read Isaiah 17:1 –

        “Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.”

        Even into the modern age, Damascus has remained an important and vibrant city, even despite the tragic Syrian civil war which continues to rage and which has claimed thousands of lives since 2011. It has never been a “ruinous heap” in the approximately 2,700 years that have gone by since the prophecy was allegedly made. McKinsey explains that Damascus:

        “…is one of the oldest cities in the world, has been continuously inhabited and is the only city in Palestine that has never been completely destroyed. Never has it been a ruinous heap.”

        And should the apologists (especially the Zionist Christians) again try to argue that this prophecy is to be fulfilled in modern times, they need to be reminded of the context of the prophecy, which shows clearly that it was supposed to be fulfilled thousands of years ago. Verse 8 of the same chapter shows this context and proves that it cannot be applied to modern times:

        “They will not look to the altars, the work of their hands, and they will have no regard for the Asherah poles and the incense altars their fingers have made.”

        The reference to “Asherah poles” shows that the prophecy was made during a time when the worship of the pagan goddess Asherah was very common, even among the Israelites. Yet the cult of Asherah, and indeed most of the other pagan cults (like those of Molech, Chemosh, etc.) have long been extinct. Certainly, no one in modern-day Damascus still worships Asherah, for it is a majority Muslim city! Asherah-worship has gone the way of the Dodo and so have the desperate apologetic attempts to save this prophecy.

        See donkey? What “Isaiah” prophesied did not actually come true. 😂😂 So, it could be argued that he made up revelations just to be able to express his nudist tendencies. 🤣

        DONKEY: If you see me walking naked on the road and you asked me why are you walking naked and I said because God told me this time next year everyone will walk naked for 5months and it happened that people walked naked for 5 months just as have said how can you call that a made up prophecy ? LOOOL are you this brainwashed not to understand that this is exactly what I was saying about your fake prophet? He didn’t tell anyone about what will happen in future ..

        RESPONSE: 😂😂 If I see a donkey like you walking naked, I would call the police and have you arrested for public indecency. Do you honestly think your stupid god would want you walking around naked in front of women and children?

        And I wouldn’t worry about your silly prophecy coming true. I would know that you are a deranged lunatic. Just like Isaiah’s prophecies, your prophecy would also fail. Man, you’re bad at this, donkey! 🤣🤣

        DONKEY: Seriously I really pray for you .. a grown man to say a thing like this… A man come to you and say God said tomorrow at 1pm I will send bread from heaven and exactly 1pm bread came down from heaven .. you said that man is fake prophet but another man come up to you while the bread is coming down from heaven and he said God me tell me this bread will come down from heaven and you believed that man to be a true prophet … How is this not crazy? How is this not madness ? this is why I can only pray for you that God show you mercy and open your heart of understanding because this is the most craziest thing anyone can say..

        RESPONSE: 😂😂 See above, moron. Your fake prophets were false prophets. And there are plenty more false prophecies in your stupid little book.

        DONKEY: 1 don’t you know if Mohamed had revealed this to just 1 person before it happened we will might not be talking about this verse at all

        RESPONSE: 🤣🤣 That’s irrelevant, moron. We know from other statements of the Prophet that he was a proven and true prophet. But we know he had a reason for not telling anyone about this particular prophecy. He was afraid of the reaction he would get from other people because it was such a touchy subject. Plus, in order for the whole prophecy to work, Zayd and Zaynab had to get divorced. Was the Prophet somehow able to create difficulties in their marriage and no one seemed to notice? Think, donkey, think!
        DONKEY: 2 don’t you know if he waited for Allah to command him and make it a law we will might not be talking about this verse at all

        RESPONSE: 🤣😂 Unlike your god, Allah doesn’t leave people in the dark about what is or is not a law to be followed. If Muhammad (pbuh) made up the verse, why would he have waited until after he sent the marriage proposal? Wouldn’t it have made sense for him to reveal the verse as soon as possible? Think, donkey, think!

        DONKEY: 3 don’t you know if the verse was not written in past tense we will might not be talking about this verse at all

        RESPONSE: 🤣 Already explained this, moron. Don’t you know that if you had a normal human intellect and memory span, we wouldn’t be talking about this verse? Think, donkey, think!

        DONKEY: I think God just want to use you to expose Mohamed further that’s why He made you so stubborn to continue talking about it.. As you can see @ Rehman and @Stew left it long time ago because they cant defend it anymore but loool you are so adamant which is good at least it helps prove further that I am right .

        RESPONSE: 😂😂 Oh I love when donkeys pat themselves on the back and declare victory. You’re a joke, man! You think Stew and Vaqas stopped responding because you defeated them? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 More likely, it is because they have other things to do rather than waste their time talking to a moron. Me on the other hand, I make time to demolish morons like you. 😂

        DONKEY: Can I ask you please is there any prophecy that Mohamed gave during his time that came to pass before he died…Please don’t tell me anyone that is not in the quran or about him saying they will win a war… You be stupid to tell your followers you will lose a fight and expect them to follow you..

        RESPONSE: Many, donkey! Of course, if you were a “Muslim” with even rudimentary knowledge about Islam, you would know this already. Here is one prophecy that has come true in our times:

        “Narrated Abu Huraira: One day while the Prophet was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came… […] Then he further asked, “When will the Hour be established?” Allah’s Apostle replied, “The answerer has no better knowledge than the questioner. But I will inform you about its portents. 1. When a slave (lady) gives birth to her master. 2. WHEN THE SHEPHERDS OF BLACK CAMELS START BOASTING AND COMPETING WITH OTHERS IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF HIGHER BUILDINGS. And the Hour is one of five things which nobody knows except Allah. […]” (Bukhari)

        It refers to a time when “the shepherds of black camels” (i.e. the Arabs) will compete in the construction of tall buildings.[13] To explain the meaning of the hadith, the famous scholar An-Nawawi stated:

        “The people of badī’a (the desert Bedouins) and their like are indigent. There will come a time in which they become rich and build such structures to demonstrate their wealth.”[14]

        In other words, the hadith prophesied that the once poor Arabs (Bedouins) would reach a state of immense wealth and use it in competing with each other in the construction of tall buildings. This leads to the question of whether the once poor Bedouins have indeed reached such a state of financial strength. As any person can see with the recent boom in architectural projects in the Middle East, the answer to this question is a definitive “yes”.

        Currently, the tallest building in the world is the Burj Khalifa in Dubai.[15] However, Saudi Arabia has plans to build the “Kingdom Tower”, which will be even taller and is scheduled to be completed by 2018.[16] All of these projects are financed by the enormous wealth of the ruling families of these nations, and yet these families have a heritage which is much more modest. The former ruler of Dubai, for example, Sheik Rashid Bin Saeed Al-Maktoum once stated:

        “My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel…”[17]

        The current ruler of Dubai, under whose reign the Burj Khalifa was built and completed, is Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, the third son of Rashid Bin Saeed Al Maktoum.[18] But the fact is that despite having enormous wealth and power, he is only two generations removed from a simpler Bedouin life, where luxury cars would have been an unattainable dream!

        Similarly, the Al-Saud family, which has ruled the modern state of Saudi Arabia since the early 20th century, also has more humble origins. Before the discovery of oil, the Al-Saud family did not command the fabulous wealth it now has. In the mid-20th century, before the discovery of oil, Saudi Arabia was among the poorest and most undeveloped nations in the world.[19] But since the discovery of oil, Saudi Arabia has been transformed into one of the wealthiest nations in the world. It is no wonder then that the Saudi royal family has made plans to build the tallest man-made structure in the world! There is no doubt that this prophecy has come true.

        SubhanAllah! Unlike your silly Bible, which contains dozens of false prophecies, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) made true prophecies, some of which were fulfilled shortly after his death, and others that are only now being fulfilled. Come to your senses, donkey. That voice in your head lied to you and is leading you to hell.

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      7. Larry

        QB I’m still waiting for you show where it says in Genesis that RAPE and BESTIALITY were considered sins.

        You like to say rubbish too much … show me where it says TRANSGENDER is A SIN in QURAN.. you want to play smart … I already know you are a manipulative person …

        QB You’re a joke, donkey. Oh and by the way, I have a Master’s in biology. What do you have, moron? A Master’s in stupidity?

        I don’t doubt that at all like I said when I spoke to you on Zoom you sounds like someone cool the only thing is you are a manipulative person and dishonest … You have masters in Biology but you don’t know a man can be drunk and have sex and don’t remember the following day LOOL … YOUR SEX DRIVE COULD NOW DECREASE AND YOU MAY BECOME LESS CAPABLE…. MAY BECOME NOT THAT YOU WILL BECOME ….. maybe someone like Lot is not didn’t become less capable and some one like you QB will become less capable ….. you speak better English than me …anyway since you have masters can you explain why someone can SLEEPWALK I can see you dodged that question lool .. do you not need to be aware before you can walk or not

        QB LOL!! Donkey, you’re the one who said you haven’t even read your Bible yet! If your god was going to kill Lot as well, without warning him to get out, then he would be an unjust tyrant.

        Again you are not an honest human being and a manipulative person…. so whenever Israelite are attacked by enemy God doesn’t have power to protect them? or whenever your fake prophet fight none of his followers die.. DYING IS PART OF LIFE …Lot son in-law is He a sinner or righteous man? He died but bible didn’t say anything about it

        QB RESPONSE: LOL!! There it is folks! Donkey Larry thinks that since his god didn’t declare RAPE and BESTIALITY as sins, then if people did them, they were not sinning! WOW! This is the god that this moron worships. Drunkenness isn’t a sin. Incest isn’t a sin. Rape isn’t a sin. Bestiality isn’t a

        Its very simple since if you don’t believe for something to be consider a sin God will need to command it or people think is morally wrong… and you are looking for where bible declare RAPE and BESTIALITY as sins even though I have explained and gave you bible verse… so let us go with your theory .. Where did your Quran declare TRANSGEDER a sin… since you said my God is this and that …let me see what Allah and Quran say about TRANSGENDER lool QB QB

        QB Donkey, I have a problem with your evil god’s commandment. If you think you can excuse every evil order your god gave, then you would have to accept similar arguments from non-Christians. A Hindu can say that his god’s actions or command may seem immoral but since he is a “god”, it makes it right and humans have no right to criticize it. You see how stupid you sound, you donkey?

        Lool Can they prove that their gods create heaven and earth ? if they can then why not loool funny guy…

        QB Muslims don’t believe in these evil commands, you moron. You should already know this as an alleged “ex-Muslim”. We don’t believe the God of Abraham ordered the murders of thousands children and babies. In fact, the Quran and Sunnah forbid killing women and children, and only allow fighting against armed combatants. It is an act of cowardice to stick a sword in the body of a baby because you had the delusion that your god ordered it. Come to your senses, you moron. It’s not worth your ego to spend eternity in hell.

        Thanks for your concern lool I am sure of my salvation and where I am going… the same way you advice me to come to my senses and that It’s not worth my ego to spend eternity in hell. I advice you the same.. because you don’t seems to understand that you have been brainwashed.. Below you will see how explain why you cant criticise God for doing what He did… according to your Quran the same God is Allah but because your Prophet and Quran is fake they later contradict themselves .

        QB RESPONSE: Moron, what they said didn’t happen. Let me give you an example from Isaiah. Let’s read Isaiah 17:1 –

        Loool is everything ok Mr QB? We are talking about Isaiah 20 which you said maybe Isaiah want to be a nudist that’s why he made up the revelation…. Then I asked if he made it up how come it came to pass now you bring up Isaiah 17:1.. what kind of manipulative spirit dwell inside of you? Lool why cant you just be an honest person.. you brought up allegation against Isaiah I cleared it, instead of you to accept you are wrong you are bringing another silly one to support you…

        LARRY DONKEY: 1 don’t you know if Mohamed had revealed this to just 1 person before it happened we will might not be talking about this verse at all
        QB RESPONSE: That’s irrelevant, moron. We know from other statements of the Prophet that he was a proven and true prophet. But we know he had a reason for not telling anyone about this particular prophecy. He was afraid of the reaction he would get from other people because it was such a touchy subject. Plus, in order for the whole prophecy to work, Zayd and Zaynab had to get divorced. Was the Prophet somehow able to create difficulties in their marriage and no one seemed to notice? Think, donkey, think!

        Wow it was such a touchy subject and he was scared …why do you keep repeating yourself…. I have heard you 1millon times… all you need to do is answer my question lool… according to Quran it was such a touchy subject and he was scared of what PEOPLE in general will say including Muslim you changed after I corrected you lol anyway so again if its was such a touchy subject and he was scared . Why send Zaid after Divorce? Do you think its acceptable to marry your adopted son’s ex after divorce? Is that why he wasn’t scared to send Zaid after the divorce ? or He wasn’t scare of what Zaid and Zaynab will say ? According to Q 33:37 it was such a touchy subject and he was scared because at the time PEOPLE think is a taboo to marry your adopted son’s ex that is what it says. so what difference does it make for Mohamed to propose to Zaynab after divorce? LOOOL are you this brainwashed to think Allah was telling him to propose to Zaynab while she was married to Zaid? Clearly after divorce is what Allah revealed to him and he was scared according to you and all other Muslim that if they divorced and he propose to Zaynab people will condemn him… what is going on here? Don’t you understand this for real? Mohamed did exactly what he said he wasn’t go to do because he was afraid of it and by doing it , clearly it shows he wasn’t sacred at all he only made it up..

        QB RESPONSE: Unlike your god, Allah doesn’t leave people in the dark about what is or is not a law to be followed. If Muhammad (pbuh) made up the verse, why would he have waited until after he sent the marriage proposal? Wouldn’t it have made sense for him to reveal the verse as soon as possible? Think, donkey, think!

        LOOL very good question you catching up bit by bit… there are 2 tafsir to that verse ..one clearly state they are married before the verse was revealed which make more sense but you said you don’t to accept that so lets go with the other that states He sent Zaid and just after Zaynab prayed He went to say Allah reveal Q 33:37… tell me why he was not scared of sending Zaid then I will tell you why he had to wait until after He sent Zaid…it’s a very simple question stop beating around the bush answer it..you are quick to say he was scared to propose because he said he was but you cant defend why he wasn’t scared to propose… JUST BE HONEST FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE EVERYTHING DOESN’T MAKE SENSE …only thing that make sense is he was married to zaynab already and people are not happy with him then he cooked up the verse … that makes more sense but because Muslims knew it will be difficult to defend him then another tafsir says it was after Zaid went Zaynab prayed then Allah revealed .. anyway to answer your question waited until after he sent the marriage proposal? Wouldn’t it have made sense for him to reveal the verse as soon as possible? Like I said before he didn’t know they will divorce it was all a lie and he doesn’t make sense for him to send Zaid without telling I am sending you to propose because Allah revealed to me this and that..
        Mohamed didn’t know they will divorce LOOOL poor guy you have been fool… Mohamed lied about it after the divorce … you are too slow man… lol….. it was after the divorce/marriage Mohamed cooked up the verse so that no one will blame him…was he not sacred of what Zaid will say and Zaynab ? clearly nooo he wasn’t QB QB lol..do you get it now? Even with the cooked up verse there are so many flaws in it but people didn’t get it at the time maybe because they have been brainwashed like you… you keep saying he was scared lool… the other Tafsir make more sense remember I didn’t write it nor Christian Scholars if its DAIF lool it will not be in your Quran

        LARRY DONKEY: Can I ask you please is there any prophecy that Mohamed gave during his time that came to pass before he died…Please don’t tell me anyone that is not in the quran or about him saying they will win a war… You be stupid to tell your followers you will lose a fight and expect them to follow you..
        QB RESPONSE: Many, donkey! Of course, if you were a “Muslim” with even rudimentary knowledge about Islam, you would know this already. Here is one prophecy that has come true in our times:

        Lool take time to read Professor QB I know my English is bad but I said is there any prophecy that Mohamed gave during HIS TIME that came to pass BEFORE he DIED, also I said Please don’t tell me any that is not in the Quran because I already explain why Mohamed can never say anything like that in Quran it has to be his followers making up things to support him in hadith … again the prophecy you gave about tall building I guess you need to go and do your research more .. you are so wrong about it anyway I don’t want to get into that since you don’t have any from Quran… if you want to know why you cant find any in Quran I can tell you ..LOL

        QB Donkey, we don’t serve the same god. While the same God revealed the Torah and Injil, and He sent all the prophets like Abraham and Moses and Jesus, you have turned the true God into a fake, pagan god. With your beliefs such as mass genocide, incest, rape, a mangod coming to earth…these are not our beliefs. We don’t believe they came from God. We believe they came from the devil. So the “God” you guys worship is not the True God. It is a satanic counterfeit. Get it donkey? In other words, your concept of “God” is not the same as ours, even though we both claim to worship the God of Abraham. I know this is a bit above your intellectual abilities, but the issue is more complex than you make it out to be

        Before I answer this I will wait for @REHMAN to respond first

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      8. Hey donkey, I noticed you ignored my point about Hosea 3. It can’t be referring to his wife Gomer because chapter 3 says he purchased the “woman”. Why would he need to buy his wife? She was already married to him! Even if she was committing adultery, why does he need to buy her? It doesn’t make sense. The woman can only be some other person, not Gomer. Respond to this, donkey. Don’t run away.

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      9. Larry

        Hey donkey, I noticed you ignored my point about Hosea 3. It can’t be referring to his wife Gomer because chapter 3 says he purchased the “woman”. Why would he need to buy his wife? She was already married to him! Even if she was committing adultery, why does he need to buy her? It doesn’t make sense. The woman can only be some other person, not Gomer. Respond to this, donkey. Don’t run away.

        You like to waste time too much …. do I need to say anything to you before you know that Hosea didn’t commit any Sin here.. if you say this is not Gomer then whoever this is Hosea bought her so there is no sin and if you say she was married that will just confirms how much a liar you are because what the hebrew bible says is Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend and an adulteress… there is no where in the world I hear a husband selling his wife only a prostitute I know PIMP sell.. which make sense why Hosea will have to buy Gomer again because she went back to her old ways…but if you say NO then no problem but there is no sin committed here even if it was another woman it just mean Hosea bought another prostitute… I really don’t know your problem with all these people.. Lot.. Isaiah , Hosea , Abraham… do you know the funny thing I was reading Psalms yesterday and I felt holy spirit telling me to read Genesis 19 and lo behold your answer is even there which I have been trying to explain for the past 1 month

        This is to correct you again…I told you God saved Lot because of Abraham you said no read for yourself……

        And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the Plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when He overthrew the cities in which Lot dwelt

        This is the one that shows why you guys cant blame God which I have been trying to explain…Lot and his daughters went to Zoar first then later went to live in a cave… how is this God’s fault ? there are people in the city of Zoar and those Angels already told Lot they will not destroy Zoar, why leave Zoar and why cant the girls think about the people they left in Zoar? anyway I know you are not an honest person I am sure you have seen this verse before…I read it long time ago that is why I didn’t remember the details I would have mentioned this verse long time ago..

        And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar; and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters

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      10. 🤣🤣 This donkey is a pathetic moron!

        You rant like an idiot and contradict yourself, donkey. The woman is specifically called an ADULTERESS, you idiot! 😂 What does adultery mean? That woman was already MARRIED and yet was committing whoredom. It is this woman that Hosea is ordered to “buy”. Being that she was married to another man, Hosea is now told to “love” this woman. Lol! So she goes from being a prostitute for many men (while married) to being a prostitute only for Hosea. 😂🤣😂 Oh yeah, that’s much better!

        The honorable thing to do would have been to “buy” that woman and return her to her lawful husband. If the husband was the one who sold her in the first place, then both should have been punished accordingly.

        As it stands, when Hosea bought her, she was still legally married to her original husband. Does the text say they got a divorce before Hosea married her? Nope! Your god told Hosea to “love” this woman while she was legally married to someone else. Ergo, your god ordered Hosea to commit a sin. 🤣🤣

        You and your so-called “scripture” are a joke, donkey Larry.

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      11. Larry

        Why are you replying to only this? don’t you know what to say to defend your prophet anymore? Is that why you haven’t reply to my response Looool
        QB Donkey, Zoar was originally supposed to be destroyed. The angel told Lot to head for the hills because the whole area was going to be destroyed, Zoar included. It was only when Lot pleaded to be able to go to Zoar that the angel said it was okay. But since the city was originally on the hit list, Lot was scared of staying there too long. This is understandable.
        QB You think the fact that the daughters would have known about the men in Zoar somehow saves your Bible? It doesn’t! It’s a plot-hole, you idiot. Your Bible is like a bad movie. The daughters had no reason to think that there were no men left! Incidentally, Jewish scholars believed that Zoar was also eventually destroyed, which is why the daughters thought they were the only ones left.
        Seriously you need to stop…you are all over the place man…Do you even remember why you are talking about Lot? Your argument and comments are so hmmmmm… You think the fact that the daughters would have known about the men in Zoar somehow saves your Bible? What sort of question is this?….when did I say I am trying to save bible and who told you bible need saving… the reason why we are talking about Lot is because you said God caused him and his daughters to sin and I said No my God didn’t do anything like that.. it is your Allah that say things that caused Mohamed to sin…….why do think Lot and his daughter’s actions affect bible ? its just a story… did bible preach that people should do what they did? You can do better man.. I know you want to condemn bible so bad… no problem but do it in a way that doesn’t make you look like you don’t know anything…. 1 FOCUS on the argument and 2 Be honest…. God didn’t cause Lot and his daughters to do anything… they choose to do what they did… if worst come to worst that they are actually stranded , they are suppose to accept their fate and die not get anyone drunk in other to get pregnant ….if you found yourself in the same situation will you sleep with your daughter and blame God or will you just accept your fate…I am tired of explaining how God didn’t do anything wrong.. maybe you should go learn about free will that will help you ……
        QB This donkey is a pathetic moron! You rant like an idiot and contradict yourself, donkey. The woman is specifically called an ADULTERESS, you idiot! What does adultery mean? That woman was already MARRIED and yet was committing whoredom. It is this woman that Hosea is ordered to “buy”. Being that she was married to another man, Hosea is now told to “love” this woman. Lol! So she goes from being a prostitute for many men (while married) to being a prostitute only for Hosea. Oh yeah, that’s much better!
        I am seriously tired of talking to you….you said you have masters that means you should be more intelligent than this but it seems because you are not an honest person you have become something else.. How did I contradict myself and why telling me what an adulteress is… I have told you this over and over again take time to read and digest before you reply… I didn’t have opportunity to go to school like you, yet I know to take time to digest things before responding … I said if you say this is not Gomer then whoever this is Hosea bought her so there is no sin and if you say she was married that will just confirms how much a liar you are because what the hebrew bible says is Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend and an adulteress… there is no where in the world I hear a husband selling his wife only a prostitute I know PIMP sell.. which make sense why Hosea will have to buy Gomer again because she went back to her old ways….. I CLEARLY POINT IT OUT TO YOU THAT IF YOU ARE SAYING THIS ADULTRESS PERSON IS NOT GOMER, THAT MEANS THIS PERSON’s HUSBAND SOLD HER TO HOSEA AND I SAID TO YOU I HAVE NEVER HEARD WHERE HUSBAND SELL HIS WIFE BEFORE, ONLY PIMP I KNOW THAT SELLS PROSTITUE …..THEN I SAID IT MAKES SENSE FOR HOSEA TO BUY GOMER BACK FROM HER PIMP BECAUSE GOMER FIT …SHE IS MARRIED TO HOSEA AND COMMITING ADULREY AND BECAUSE SHE WENT BACK TO HER OLD WAYS HOSEA WOULD NEED TO BUY HER BACK.. THIS MAKE MORE SENSE BECAUSE NIV SAID WIFE ….. IF YOU SAY NO THEN WHO DID HOSEA BUY THIS NEW ADULTRESS WOMAN FROM? HER HUSBAND OR PIMP ? AND WHERE DID YOU HEAR HUSBAND SELLING WIFE LOOL?….. When I said your fake prophet was not scared I didn’t lie or cook up story…I showed you why I said He was not sacred … it was his actions that shows he wasn’t sacred I didn’t assume or lie about anything…it is what was written in Quran, I don’t have to interpret anything. It says Mohamed did what he initially said he was scared of.. so I ask if he was scared before what makes him change his mind you couldn’t answer why all of a sudden he wasn’t sacred anymore then I said if you cant show me why and I cant see why then clearly He was lying about being scared ….. You want me to be stupid and take the word of a man that I know is fake and ignore his actions…. Have you not heard of the saying ACTIONS SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS.. His actions says it all and that’s why I believe this Tafsir The discourse from here to verse 48 was sent down after the Holy Prophet had married Hadrat Zainab, and the hypocrites, the Jews and the mushriks had started a relentless propaganda campaign against him… it’s the only think that makes sense a bit…
        QB The honorable thing to do would have been to “buy” that woman and return her to her lawful husband. If the husband was the one who sold her in the first place, then both should have been punished accordingly. As it stands, when Hosea bought her, she was still legally married to her original husband. Does the text say they got a divorce before Hosea married her? Nope! Your god told Hosea to “love” this woman while she was legally married to someone else. Ergo, your god ordered Hosea to commit a sin. You and your so-called “scripture” are a joke, donkey Larry.
        You said the word used in Hebrew can be a woman or wife see below and tell me if wife doesn’t make sense with the story from chapter1 to chapter 3… trying to make it another woman cannot fit…if the verse says love ANOTHER woman…then we can all say God is telling Hosea to marry another woman and she is married …..you just want to be manipulative as always ..which I don’t know why you are even do this…when you talk about God you have to be honest but it seems you don’t care….
        Go again, love a woman who is loved by a lover[ and is committing adultery, just like the love of the LORD for the children of Israel, who look to other gods and love the raisin cakes of the pagans.
        Go again, love a wife who is loved by a lover[ and is committing adultery, just like the love of the LORD for the children of Israel, who look to other gods and love the raisin cakes of the pagans.

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      12. 😂🤣 Hey donkey, we don’t need to look further than your Bible to find fake prophets and fake gods.
        And really, donkey? You’re complaining that I haven’t responded to your rant yet, while you were stalling for WEEKS before? 😂😂 Be patient, donkey. I will continue embarrassing you and idiotic religion. Unlike a loser like you, I have a life and a busy schedule. I run a blog, a YouTube channel, and a Twitter account. You’re not the only crosstian donkey I am currently humiliating. Okay, donkey? 😉

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      13. Donkey, Zoar was originally supposed to be destroyed. The angel told Lot to head for the hills because the whole area was going to be destroyed, Zoar included. It was only when Lot pleaded to be able to go to Zoar that the angel said it was okay. But since the city was originally on the hit list, Lot was scared of staying there too long. This is understandable.

        You think the fact that the daughters would have known about the men in Zoar somehow saves your Bible? It doesn’t! 🤣 It’s a plot-hole, you idiot. Your Bible is like a bad movie. The daughters had no reason to think that there were no men left! Incidentally, Jewish scholars believed that Zoar was also eventually destroyed, which is why the daughters thought they were the only ones left.

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      14. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        Just a quick chime in here:

        1. “This is to correct you again…I told you God saved Lot because of Abraham you said no read for yourself……And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the Plain, that God REMEMBERED Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when He overthrew the cities in which Lot dwelt”

        One is your text saying God forgot something? Also, this hurts you as that means Lot got a VIP pass because of his family connections.

        2. “This is the one that shows why you guys cant blame God which I have been trying to explain…Lot and his daughters went to Zoar first then later went to live in a cave… how is this God’s fault ? there are people in the city of Zoar and those Angels already told Lot they will not destroy Zoar, why leave Zoar and why cant the girls think about the people they left in Zoar?”

        Again this hurts you as the main excuse given (especially by the Jews) is they committed incest because they they thought no people were left on Earth.

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      15. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        Ahhh might as well make some other quick observations:

        1. “show me where it says TRANSGENDER is A SIN in QURAN”

        For one being transgender is not necessarily a sin in certain contexts to begin. Next again why do we have to limit ourselves just because you say so? You claim:

        “it has to be his followers making up things to support him in hadith ”

        But what is your proof for this accusation? We have proof for Christians and Jews doing this but what is your evidence?

        2. “Lool Can they prove that their gods create heaven and earth ? if they can then why not loool funny guy…”

        Ughhh can you prove Jesus(as) did?

        3. “…because you don’t seems to understand that you have been brainwashed.. ”

        Yet you don’t even understand the religion you signed up for.

        4. “… clearly it shows he wasn’t sacred at all he only made it up..”

        Then why go through the rigamarole of criticizing himself?

        5. Can I ask you please is there any prophecy that Mohamed gave during his time that came to pass before he died…Please don’t tell me anyone that is not in the quran or about him saying they will win a war… You be stupid to tell your followers you will lose a fight and expect them to follow you..”

        To begin that’s…quite poor logic. For one what do you do if you lose lol? Next, the prediction of the Romans winning against the Persians is him(saw) going against the grain as Rome was getting battered and he(saw) had no way to control Rome or Persia. Furthermore, if you read the passage:

        30:1. A.L.M.
        30:2. The Romans have been defeated,
        30:3 in the lowest land nearby. But they will reverse their defeat and be victorious,
        30:4. within three to nine years’ time. And the Judgement, before and after this, is with God. ON THAT DAY THE BELIEVERS WILL CELEBRATE,
        30:5. AT GOD’S HELP. He helps whoever He wants (to) because He is the Final Authority and the Forever Merciful.

        The day the Romans defeated the Persians was the same day the Muslims won their first major battle against Quraish at Badr. I can add further that he(saw) predicted his uncle Abu Lahab dying as a kaffir and rotting away beforehand as Surah Masad says.

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    1. 🤣🤣 Did you notice guys how this donkey is already contradicting himself about only following the Bible? Notice how he is adding his own twist to the text. So now, if Lot knew what was going on, the donkey thinks he may have simply forgotten since he was drunk! But where does it say that in the text? It only says he was AWARE. It doesn’t say he FORGOT. 🤣🤣🤣 Donkey Larry, you are the biggest retards I have ever seen.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        HEY larry the bastard

        i am going to refer to you as BASTARD from now on.

        1. lets say that the hebrew desidered to marry the BEAUTIFUL captive, but decided to give his son a CHANCE instead ,AND new that in a FEW YEARS down the line, the son will LET the captive go. he goes to her and MAKES her his wife….
        tell me, lol, how yhwh explain this problem LOL LOL OL OL L L O L

        LOL L O L O
        LOL OL L OL

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      bare in mind what started this whole conversation is I said there is no way Quran 33:37 can come from God because God will not tell you to do something that we cause you to sin.. ”

      when a hebrew sees a beautiful girl in the house of her husband and wants to marry her because of her beauty and desires her , what is he suppose to do according to deut 21:11-13?
      tell me how this would not “cause you to sin” ?

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    3. mr.heathcliff

      donkey :
      “Lot knew where Abraham is and He knew God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of their sin, so obviously He knew God didn’t destroy Abraham ”

      “the Lord being merciful to him, and they brought him out and left him outside the city.”

      “Flee for your life; do not look back or stop anywhere in the Plain; flee to the hills, or else you will be consumed.”

      And Lot said to them, “Oh, no, my lords; 19 your servant has found favor with you, and you have shown me great kindness in saving my life; but I cannot flee to the hills, for fear the disaster will overtake me and I die. 20 Look, that city is near enough to flee to, and it is a little one. Let me escape there—is it not a little one?—and my life will be saved!” 21 He said to him, “Very well, I grant you this favor too, and will not overthrow the city of which you have spoken.

      where does it say “lot knew where abraham is” ?

      30 Now Lot went up out of Zoar and settled in the hills with his two daughters, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar; so he lived in a cave with his two daughters. 31 And the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of all the world.

      how come his daughters didn’t know abraham was still around ?

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    4. mr.heathcliff

      “Only if you can tell me if a man is born in to a poverty family and he decided to start robbing people for money it also divine arrangement because he thought there is no way He can make money in life than to steal and his not his fault to be born in a poor family God divinely arranged it lol”

      Moron , god punishes a land and tells the man to go escape to a distant place. he goes to a place where he thinks there is no place to make money , but the only solution is to steal from the few poor people who live there. god knows that there are places where jobs are available, but decides to keep the man in his ignorance, so who is at fault here? Remember the man had a lot of divine activity around him prior to his escape.
      if yhwh did not want a bit of incest action, he would have taken measures to stop it, but he remained silent like an idol.

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    5. mr.heathcliff

      “no where the angels said to him they want to destroy the whole world ”

      30 Now Lot went up out of Zoar and settled in the hills with his two daughters, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar; so he lived in a cave with his two daughters.

      Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of all the world.

      lot was afraid so he lived in cave . Why was he afraid piglet?

      What danger he perceived in zoar?

      “and also it was the elder sister that said to younger there is no man on earth again…”

      Living in a cave and avoiding danger…so how was it her fault???

      “did God told her that?”

      It was.divine. arrangement.

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    6. mr.heathcliff

      qb
      QB Let me show you another example of your god allowing people to commit immoral deeds. In Deuteronomy 21:10-14, your god allowed forcefully taking a beautiful woman, forcing her to marry, and then releasing her without any care for her well-being if she failed to please her captor:

      donkey crap:
      “Seriously I am worried for you.. is everything ok? Did you not see how God instruct them to let the girl mourn first, ”

      she just seen the shock of her family members get butchered…so whats your “point” ? she is separated from her family, here is the real point :

      you dumb pig, THE SOLDIER goes with the intention of taking a BEAUTIFUL foreign woman on instruction from your god. if the woman was ugly, then….
      the text even says if after discovering anything which displeases the hebrew rapist, he will let her go….you said your god does not encourage sin…
      this law is to exploit women.


      take the slave as a wife not as concubine like some fake prophet lol,”

      if she is banged and unpleasing , she goes in hand of another rabbi….
      if she cant find another husband, she would wish she was a concubine lol
      you see how yhwh is a whore ?

      ” to the extent that He told them if for some reason after the guy already have sex with her, He is not allowed to treat her like a slave anymore,,”

      damaged goods have no value:

      he raped her you dirty scum bag

      1.suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman whom you desire

      2.after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. 14 But if you are not satisfied with her, you shall let her go free

      here the hebrew goes to war and in back of his mind and his heart, he knows his god allows him to take SPECIFICALLY beautiful woman….and after she is raped and displeasing, she is LET go…..

      yhwh was a whore

      “not allowed to sell her and allow her to go to wherever she wishes … ”

      all due to NOT BEING SEXUALLY HAPPY with the woman

      after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. 14 But if you are not satisfied with her, you shall let her go free and not sell her for money.

      “go into her” but if you are not satisfied with the product….let her go….

      yhwh was a lover of sin

      “What kind of a man are you QB? You read Quran and you see how your people are allowed to have sex with slaves without marrying them”

      your god allows “marriage” with the intention of sexual dissatisfaction entering in…

      does the quran say to let go of woman who are not sexually satisfying ?

      marriage to slavees:
      4:25

      filthy dog!

      “and nothing that says after having sex you should stop treating them like a slave”

      they would be in much better protection and condition than the “free woman” who was having difficulty finding a second husband because her first husband let her go after raping her and not being sexually satisfied.

      ” …Seriously I don’t know what you are trying to achieve by all this… what is immoral in seeing a slave girl that you like and marry her?”

      %%%%%he desires her on the condition that after he bangs her she is satisfying to continue to bang.%%%%%

      shashem rapes dinah and loves her.

      can you show me where bible prohibits THE RAPE OF THE WOMAN BEFORE HER capture or calls her rape a sin ? show, prove, where

      show where bible says that it is sin to rape beautiful woman in time of war.

      show evidence. prove.

      your god allowed RAPE

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    7. mr.heathcliff

      just a question, can the filthy dog christian, pretending to be muslim, show where it was a sin to RAPE women during war in the hebrew bible or to have sex with dead bodies during war.

      or how about raping children during war.
      where the bible calls such acts as sin ?

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    8. mr.heathcliff

      hey larry, would u like it if your female family members were in such biblical situation ?
      i am sure they would hand themselves 0ver to an islamic merciful system

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    9. mr.heathcliff

      “You are far gone only God can save you…”

      no one wants to be saved by your pagan three triplet lovers you filthy christian.

      “I am honest that’s why but you would rather lie in other to prove your point… God didn’t do anything wrong by not condemning Incest before Moses…”

      then child marriage, beastiality, sleeping with dead body , killing unborn and INFANTS cannot be wrong either BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT …THE PEOPLE WHO WERE DOING THIS STUFF WERE SIMPLY PRACTICING WHAT THEIR ANCESTORS WERE DOING AND THEIR ANCESTORS MAY HAVE RECEIVED REVEALATION FROM “yhwh” WHICH ALLOWED SUCH PRACTICE

      SO

      you have to say your gods morality is subjective.

      AND if SIMILAR circumstances come about to those pre-moses, then incest would not be a problem

      you will have to say HAVING LUST for your sister pre-moses was perfectly find

      lust
      /lʌst/
      Learn to pronounce
      noun
      strong sexual desire.
      “he knew that his lust for her had returned”

      “IF YOU TRULY KNOW WHAT THE WORD GOD MEANS THEN YOU WILL KNOW HOW SILLY YOUR ARGUMENT IS…”

      you are saying havving lust for your sister pre-moses was perfectly fine!

      lust
      /lʌst/
      Learn to pronounce
      noun
      strong sexual desire.
      “he knew that his lust for her had returned”

      in order for a person to have intercourse with his partner LUST must enter the heart

      SO….
      larry is admiting that having lust for your sister pre-moses is fine

      ” I ALREADY TOLD YOU GOD LAY THAN THE LAW NOT YOU OR MOHAMED OR QURAN OR ME… SO WHEN GOD DECIDES TO MAKE IT A LAW HE DID DURING THE TIME OF MOSES..”

      HOW DO you know your god “lay down” the law and not a guy who fancies having sex with his sister?

      and why your god “decided ,” why not the people who made up the bible “decided” that doing too much INCEST is creating problems like having dISABLED children?

      ” why didn’t you blame God for leaving Adam and Eve naked in the garden of Eden?… ”

      IS YOUR GOD A BEING WHO IS HUMAN AND HAS ATTRACTIVENESS TO NAKED BODY?

      YES OR NO?

      ON the other hand , when human see ANOTHER human pissing or URINATING, such a thing is DISGUSTING

      when human see another human , NAKED and having sex, then such a thing is about SHAME

      so it appear that acccording to you

      WHY DOES ONE HAVE TO “BLAME GOD”

      we are blaming your gods DISGUSTING double standards

      “I cant help you on this anymore…. Your heart is not pure that’s why you are not getting it…”

      your heart is filled with lust and naked humans!

      “its not that difficult to understand why things were the way they used to be before God gave Moses all the Laws. There are so many things we can say why did God do this and that but who are we to judge? Lool QB want to judge God”

      who are you to JUDGE GOD IN MARRYING the prophet to his son in-laws EX-WIFE irregardless of the time ?

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      1. Larry

        I am not judging lol. God already told us coveting your neighbours wife is a sin lool you don’t get it I know… but do you understand now ?

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    10. mr.heathcliff

      “I am not judging lol. God already told us coveting your neighbours wife is a sin lool you don’t get it I know…”

      i will expose why you are a COMPLETE AND utter bastard

      17 You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

      covet
      /ˈkʌvɪt/
      Learn to pronounce
      verb
      gerund or present participle: coveting
      yearn to possess (something, especially something belonging to another).

      11 suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman whom you desire and want to marry, 12 and so you bring her home to your house: she shall shave her head, pare her nails, 13 discard her captive’s garb, and shall remain in your house for a full month, mourning for her father and mother; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.

      the non-jews were the NEIGHBOURS of the israelites

      clearly coveting RULES did not APPLY to grabbing the women and houses of the non-jews in the bible.

      now think about this you pig bastard, a hebrew GOES out SPECIFICALLY in MIND that his god has TOLD him that he can RAPE a BEAUTIFUL non-jewish WOMAN and RAPE CRIME DOES NOT APPLY in time of war IN ENTIRE old testament

      now with this APPLICATION,

      1. WHERE DID MUHAMMAD DESIRE TO TAKE ANOTHER MANS WIFE AND HOW WAS THE LAW OF TORAH APPLICABLE TO HIM WHEN HE WAS A NON-JEW?

      2. WHERE DID MUHAMMAD YEARN TO POSSESS AND DESIRE SOMETHING WHICH DID NOT BELONG TO HIM ?

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    11. mr.heathcliff

      christian BASTARD, explain something to me,

      hebrew breaks into AMALEKITE house.
      he see two women:

      1)one ugly one with fit body
      2)one beautiful one with fit body

      he finds that her HUSBAND is in the HOUSE
      the man is in relationship with his beautiful wife for 10 years.

      he slaughters her husband and takes captive ugly and BEAUTIFUL woman.

      ALREADY in his HEARRT AND MIND, his god GAVE him LICENSE to RAPE either BEAUTIFUL OR UGLY woman BECAUSE Deuteronomy 21:11-13 DOES NOT PROHIBIT it.
      but he specifically desire to take beautiful woman for FURTHER rape inside matrimony .

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    12. mr.heathcliff

      i am going to refer to you as BASTARD from now on.

      1. lets say that the hebrew desidered to marry the BEAUTIFUL captive, but decided to give his son a CHANCE instead ,AND new that in a FEW YEARS down the line, the son will LET the captive go. he goes to her and MAKES her his wife….
      tell me, lol, how yhwh explain this problem LOL LOL OL OL L L O L

      LOL L O L O
      LOL OL L OL

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    13. mr.heathcliff

      Donkey, your english is so bad that i am sure most of the respondents need to take atleast 10 min on each paragraph, i just wanted to remind you of jesus’ father king david :

      I’ve done plenty of digging, and no other historical error in the bible is clearer than the biblical author’s lying to the reader in denying David’s sexual infidelity in 1st Kings 1:1-4. The very notion that several adults disregarded sleeping close to the fireplace, or having David sleep with one of his polygamous wives, and thus thought the only way David could cure his night chills was for him to sleep next to a pretty young virgin girl picked at random from the city, is fking preposterous, and no Christian woman of today would even start to believe a similar excuse if she came home, found her husband in bed with a pretty young virgin girl picked by his friends from another part of town, and listened to him say “I was only trying to get warm, I did not have sex with that woman”

      Lol

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    14. mr.heathcliff

      Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
      30–38 (J). The Origin of the Moabites and Ammonites

      30. And Lot went up] He left the Plain, and withdrew “to the mountain,” viz. “the mountains of Moab”; see Genesis 19:17.

      he feared] Why did he fear to dwell in Zoar? Not, as has been suggested, lest the people of Zoar should put him to death, as one who either had escaped just punishment, or, like Jonah, had been the cause of catastrophe; but lest Zoar, one of the cities of the Plain, should still be overtaken by catastrophe.

      in a cave] The definite article in the Hebrew has been thought to mean either a well-known cavern, or a locality in which caves were numerous. But compare the idiomatic use of the def. art. in Genesis 8:7.

      quote@
      And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the Plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when He overthrew the cities in which Lot dwelt

      QUOTE :

      30 Now Lot went up out of Zoar and settled in the hills with his two daughters, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar; so he lived in a cave with his two daughters. 31 And the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of all the world.

      so lot feared the danger and decided to live in a place he thought was safe, so yhwh kept lot thinking that zoar should still be overtaken by catastrophe?

      in other words, it was fully yhwhs planning

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  7. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I wish to supplicate to God Almighty in prostration(sajdah) in my own language, because I feel comfortable in reciting supplications in my own language as I know Romanian better than Arabic and English, and as for Arabic, I forgot it years ago on how to speak, write and read Arabic.

    And I would like to ask God Almighty To Make all countries of the world to pass a law where anyone who incites violence and terrorism is to be arrested immediately, because there are many disbelievers(kuffar) who love to incite violence and terrorism! And I don’t like when disbelievers love to say Quran is “hate speech” because I feel offended when disbelievers say this about Quran!

    And I wish to offer Qadha for missed prayers, because I don’t want to be held accountable for missed prayers on the Day of Judgement.

    The position of all four Sunni schools is that it is obligatory (fard) to make up all missed prayers, regardless of why they were missed. Prayer is the first thing we will be questioned about on the Day of Judgement, as the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) informed us in sound narrations.

    Imam Nawawi stated:

    “There is consensus (ijma`) of the scholars whose opinion counts that whoever leaves a prayer intentionally must make it up. Abu Muhammad Ali Ibn Hazm differed with them on this, saying that such an individual cannot ever make them up and it is not at all valid to make them up. Rather, he said, one must do much good works and voluntary prayer in order that one s scales be heavied on the day of judgement and one must seek Allah s forgiveness and repent. This position of his, along with being in opposition to scholarly consensus (ijma`), is invalid in terms of the proof.

    Source: https://islamqa.org/shafii/seekersguidance-shafii/31534/making-up-missed-prayers-a-point-of-scholarly-consensus/

    My questions are:

    1. What did the Holy Prophet said about making supplications in your own language while being in prostration?
    2. Is it realistic to ask God Almighty To Make countries of the world to pass a law where anyone who incites violence or terrorism is to be arrested so disbelievers will stop saying that for you to be true Muslim, you must join terrorist organizations? Because, I get angry when disbelievers say this!
    3. Can I have a list of proofs of why Imam Shafii said it is obligatory to make up lost prayers?
    4. What is imam Ahmad’s position on making up lost prayers?
    5. What is Imam Abu Hanifa’s position on making up lost prayers?
    6. Did the Holy Prophet approved one of making supplications in your own language to God Almighty while being in prostration!?

    Jazak Allah Khair

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  8. foued190

    As Salam aleykoum brothers ,what do yu think of the book “The Case for Jesus: The Biblical and Historical Evidence for Christ ” by Brant Pitre ? Apparently,it’s an amazing book refuting the arguments against the reliability of the Gospels and the divinity of Jesus .

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    1. Read it a long time ago, his book is targeted towards amateur apologists that’s why the arguments tend be simple

      1. For example the main argument he makes against the claim of anonymity of the gospels is that all early manuscripts and parchments we have are attributed and lo and behold he incorrectly dates P4 and P64 to the 2nd instead of the 3rd-4th century, so even his earliest examples are very late, he also restricts P75 to the 2nd and early 3rd when there are strong and more conclusive arguments for 4th century as well (check out Brent). Why is dating important? Because one possibility is Irenaeus was the first to come with attributions and then with time standardization took place

      2. He fails to take into account the problematic lack of *any* attribution from the quotations of the early fathers.

      3. Even if we take the late examples he used and go with the flow of his argument, that doesn’t explain why is it attributed as “according to” instead of “written by”, this doesn’t make sense as an attribution even for that time period, the most probable explanation would be that someone wrote the gospel citing Mark or Matthew etc as authority instead of being written by those figures themselves.

      4. As for the divinity of Christ, just basic stuff, I could the spend the whole day dealing with the specifics but let me tell you one thing to clear your mind, we don’t have jack shit in terms of early sources so all arguments they bring are null and void by default.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        here is an old but updated word document which was discussing about gospel anonymity

        4. We don’t know the background, personality, agenda or influences of the people who wrote the gospels

        The gospels are often described as anonymous, since their names do not appear within the text. Regardless of whether the first copies were indeed labelled somewhere ‘Matthew’, ‘Mark’, ‘Luke’, ‘John’, these names were common for the period. None of them say ‘Matthew of …’ or ‘John the …’ to give us any clue as to who these people actually were. We know nothing about these people. We don’t know if they were paid to write them, by who, or what their thoughts were on the fictional genre and exactly how much artistic license it gave them. We don’t know who their sources were, how reliable, what their immediate purpose was (aside from propaganda: ‘these things are written so that you may believe’ – John 20:31) or who their primary audience was. So much pivotal information is lost in not having these answers.

        https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/15182

        “Reason 3: John Mark is an unlikely choice for a false attribution of authorship.”

        So are and Bartholomew, Thomas, and Matthias; yet the early church found it edifying to credit these unpopular apostles with certain forgeries. Early forgers had no problems attributing works to unpopular names. Your reasoning, which says forgers were more likely to credit the most popular of the apostles, simply isn’t true.

        We don’t know why any Gospels received any names. Much less particular ones. But the legends around them are inconsistent legends not connected to any specific texts (or even our texts, e.g. Papias knows a “Matthew” Gospel written in Hebrew, which cannot be our Gospel, which was copied from Mark’s Greek and uses Greek scriptures as a base text and thus can’t ever have had a Hebrew origin) and some details evolved later rather than at assigning of the name and so can’t help us in explaining the assignment.

        The most we can guess is that it appears names were chosen from the letters of Paul (Trobisch proposes a logic of it in his book on the first edition of the NT) when they were assembled together as a four-Gospel canon to combat Marcion’s.

        There actually were Gospels assigned to purported eyewitnesses (e.g. the Gospel of Peter, the Gospel of Thomas). They just weren’t chosen for thiscanon. The first canon doesn’t survive, and it included only one Gospel, a different version of Luke-Acts. Which purports not to be written by a witness but by some later historian (possibly then named by Marcion; or indeed possibly not, and it only later assumed he was using the same Gospel), and hence could not be assigned to a witness, and any name would have suited, particularly one you could claim associated with Paul; the legend that Luke was a doctor comes from someone picking the most educated companion Paul ever mentions and perhaps assuming they would be a likely skilled writer, but Luke is only in Colossians identified as a physician, and as that letter is a forgery, that that Luke was a doctor is a fiction, so we know their authorship of Luke-Acts is a fiction as well.

        Meanwhile, the other Gospels were also circulating unnamed and none identified themselves as written by a witness nor were written as such. Those legends were invented later owing to convenience and confusion. But when names were assigned, authenticity would be undermined by associating them “suddenly” with witnesses, as surely such would have been mentioned and known before then, and surely the texts themselves would say this, not just the titles (whereas Luke and John both explicitly say they were not written by witnesses, so none could be assigned to those texts). That is why the authenticity of the Gospels in the current canon required picking obscure names and inventing legends about them.

        The only exception is Matthew, a name legend then spun referred to a witness. But we know that’s false, as Matthew is a rewrite of Mark and thus cannot be a personal memoir (and again, it does not say it is one, either, yet would be expected to). Possibly it was picked because a Mark and a Matthew are mentioned by Papias as authors of Gospels, yet neither of which we can confirm are our Gospels of those names. That may simply have inspired someone to so-name two Gospels and thus attach them to the legends spun by Papias.

        In any event, none of the Gospels say they were or were previously known to be written by witnesses, so witnesses could not have been assigned to them credibly (and the one attempt to do so, Matthew, is demonstrably not a credible assignment). And two could never have been so assigned (Luke and John) as they both explicitly say they were not themselves the witnesses (John mentions a lost written text from a purported witness as a source, but IMO, that was originally meant to be Lazarus, a fictional character, and thus likely a fictional source; see OHJ, index, “Lazarus”).

        “Reason 4: There are internal indications of Peter’s influence on Mark’s gospel.”

        Which might be enough to help a Christian feel better about their existing trust in apostolic authorship, but certainly isn’t enough to intellectually obligate the skeptic to conclude that the Petrine source is the best hypothesis. It could be explained as the author having more of an interest in Peter than the other gospel authors, a thing a forger WOULD likely do, under your own theory, since Peter was popular. Even assuming Mark was the true author, that does nothing to justify saying the content comes from Peter. Even conservative inerrantist scholars admit that Petrine influence cannot be proved:

        Petrine influence cannot be proved or disproved, but it should be acknowledged as a possibility.
        Brooks, J. A. (2001, c1991). Vol. 23: Mark (electronic e.). Logos Library System; The New American Commentary (Page 27). Nashville: Broadman & Holman Publishers.

        Written by eyewitness?

        Why did the church,if they invented the names ,choose unknown characters,why not someone famous???

        Response :

        Did you ever notice the names Christians of the 2nd century and afterward ascribed to the apocryphal works? Thomas, Andrew, Nicodemus, Bartholomew “Acts of Matthias”…neither the bible nor history say much about these figures either, yet for some reason the Christians who created these lies apparently thought ascribing them to such names would increase their popularity. Consider that perhaps history doesn’t tell you how awesome Matthew, Mark and Luke really were.

        http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3226&sid=9290a6742982d02f1bbfeb7b423908f0

        At any rate, Eusebius says, “And Papias, of whom we are now speaking, confesses that he received the words of the apostles from those that followed them, but says that he was himself a hearer of Aristion and the presbyter John.” This sounds like Papias personally heard the two, right? But then Eusebius immediately continues, “At least he mentions them frequently by name, and gives their traditions in his writings.” This sounds like a concession: the only clue that Papias gave about hearing those two personally is that he mentioned them frequently by name. That is not enough for me. Anybody can quote people they do not personally know. I do it all the time.

        I thought John got named so because of the reference to the “beloved” disciple?
        Yes, that is pointed out in John 21:21 so I probably cited John 21:20-24.
        Don’t scholars now think gJohn has more than one author?

        John 20:30-31 seems to be a natural ending so John 21 appears to be an appendage from another author. I think that happened before Luke got it as Luke 5:1-11 appears to be based on it.
        Then there is the Woman Taken in Adultery interpolation. It looks like some of the middle chapters got shuffled, where the action is in Jerusalem, then the other side of the Jordan, then back to Jerusalem. What else?

        “He refers to the Gospels as the memoirs of the apostles, as is well known, e.g., 1 Apology 66, and then in an intriguing place qualifies that with “the memoirs which I say were drawn up by His apostles and those who followed them” (Trypho 103), which may well be a reference to the fourfold Gospel as we know it (two apostles and two of their followers, Mark and Luke.)
        “This picture is complicated, however, by the fact that Justin mentions several apocryphal traditions (which he assumes to be true) in the Dialog with Trypho, that he did not find in the four Gospels….These include a cave as the place of Jesus’ birth (Dial. 78.5–6); the light at Jesus’ baptism (88.2); the divine voice at Jesus’ baptism is reported as saying “Today I have engendered you” (103); the fact that as a carpenter Jesus made plows and yokes (88).” – David Aune”

        “you can’t cite the absence of an attribution in those earlier sources as evidence of anonymity, certainly not apart from a consideration of how these sources go about citing texts. Is it not the case that they usually just say things like “it is written”/”said”? (I stand to be corrected…it’s been some time.)”

        It’s a simple straightforward probabilistic argument. Given the hypothesis that the gospels were originally anonymous, the probability is 100% that they would not have names attributed to them in the beginning and that’s exactly what we see! Whereas, if the names were known from the beginning then the probability is less than 100% that the names wouldn’t be mentioned. Thus, the anonymous hypothesis is more expected given the data. I’ll tag u/kamilgregor if he wants to chime in.

        Around 27:45 in this video the speaker makes the observation that when the gospels are originally quoted, there is no named attribution until the time of Irenaeus.
        • Didache – 85 AD, quoted anonymously
        • 1 Clement – 95 AD, quoted anonymously
        • Epistle of Barnabas – 100 AD, quoted anonymously
        • Polycarp – 110 AD, quoted anonymously
        • Ignatius – 110 AD, quoted anonymously
        • Papias – 125 AD, mentions a “Mark” and a “Matthew” but the testimony is questionable due to the descriptions not necessarily matching the canonical versions. Papias does not quote from the documents.

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      2. stewjo004

        @ Morning

        Yeah, I had got the feeling the author expected you to know nothing about textual criticism because I was really looking for how he planned on getting around things like the Synoptic Problem, Thomas or known forgeries and it was simply the sound of silence…

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  9. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I have some doubts about my Shahada which I uttered at age of 15.
    Prior to age of 15 my dad preached to me Tawheed(Monotheism) and told me Stories of Prophets.

    At first, I rejected Islam but later on, I felt guilty for doing that, and to kill the guilt, I had to embrace Islam willingly.

    so right now I fulfilled knowledge, sincerity, acceptance, certainity, truthfulness and submission but not love and hate for the sake of God!

    Years later after learning the severity of shirk, I started to hate shirk and condemn shirk and kufr, because I am aware how dangerous they are.

    I feel like making problems and disobeying my father because of that, and because of what he did to me, I have doubts about my Shahada! And I’m not certain if it is valid or invalid.

    And I wasn’t an Islamophobe prior to age of 15, because I wasn’t taught to hate Islam.

    And prior to age of 15, I was like a liberal because I did all sort of shits like committing racism, vulgarity, misogyny etc.!

    My questions are:

    1. Can I bring problems to my father out of anger!?
    2. Is my Shahada valid or invalid!???

    Jazak Allah Khair

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  10. mr.heathcliff

    “Why is ok for them not to wear cloth before they ate the forbidden fruit ?”

    you moronic pig , have you never read your babble?

    Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

    When they realised they were naked they start covering themselves, why? why the natural feeling to cover yourself when they REALISED they were naked? then why did god BRING into existence animal skin? figs blow off…so even ur god realised that loose fig leaves were no good…

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  11. mr.heathcliff

    “You are far gone only God can save you…”

    no one wants to be saved by your pagan three triplet lovers you filthy christian.

    “I am honest that’s why but you would rather lie in other to prove your point… God didn’t do anything wrong by not condemning Incest before Moses…”

    then child marriage, beastiality, sleeping with dead body , killing unborn and INFANTS cannot be wrong either BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT …THE PEOPLE WHO WERE DOING THIS STUFF WERE SIMPLY PRACTICING WHAT THEIR ANCESTORS WERE DOING AND THEIR ANCESTORS MAY HAVE RECEIVED REVEALATION FROM “yhwh” WHICH ALLOWED SUCH PRACTICE

    SO

    you have to say your gods morality is subjective.

    AND if SIMILAR circumstances come about to those pre-moses, then incest would not be a problem

    you will have to say HAVING LUST for your sister pre-moses was perfectly find

    lust
    /lʌst/
    Learn to pronounce
    noun
    strong sexual desire.
    “he knew that his lust for her had returned”

    “IF YOU TRULY KNOW WHAT THE WORD GOD MEANS THEN YOU WILL KNOW HOW SILLY YOUR ARGUMENT IS…”

    you are saying havving lust for your sister pre-moses was perfectly fine!

    lust
    /lʌst/
    Learn to pronounce
    noun
    strong sexual desire.
    “he knew that his lust for her had returned”

    in order for a person to have intercourse with his partner LUST must enter the heart

    SO….
    larry is admiting that having lust for your sister pre-moses is fine

    ” I ALREADY TOLD YOU GOD LAY THAN THE LAW NOT YOU OR MOHAMED OR QURAN OR ME… SO WHEN GOD DECIDES TO MAKE IT A LAW HE DID DURING THE TIME OF MOSES..”

    HOW DO you know your god “lay down” the law and not a guy who fancies having sex with his sister?

    and why your god “decided ,” why not the people who made up the bible “decided” that doing too much INCEST is creating problems like having dISABLED children?

    ” why didn’t you blame God for leaving Adam and Eve naked in the garden of Eden?… ”

    IS YOUR GOD A BEING WHO IS HUMAN AND HAS ATTRACTIVENESS TO NAKED BODY?

    YES OR NO?

    ON the other hand , when human see ANOTHER human pissing or URINATING, such a thing is DISGUSTING

    when human see another human , NAKED and having sex, then such a thing is about SHAME

    so it appear that acccording to you

    WHY DOES ONE HAVE TO “BLAME GOD”

    we are blaming your gods DISGUSTING double standards

    “I cant help you on this anymore…. Your heart is not pure that’s why you are not getting it…”

    your heart is filled with lust and naked humans!

    “its not that difficult to understand why things were the way they used to be before God gave Moses all the Laws. There are so many things we can say why did God do this and that but who are we to judge? Lool QB want to judge God”

    who are you to JUDGE GOD IN MARRYING the prophet to his son in-laws EX-WIFE irregardless of the time ?

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  12. mr.heathcliff

    QB RESPONSE: HAHAHAHAHA!!! So donkey thinks that incest was “normal” at the time??? What kind of disgusting time was this? So what about RAPE and BESTIALITY? Does your Bible say those things were sins at that time too?

    Lool seriously you sounded like a cool guy on Zoom but it seems because you are behind Laptop you are just saying whatever that comes to your head without taking time to see if its right or wrong.. I said we can see its normal for them at the time, they didn’t have problem with it.. there are things people use to do thinking its alright before God gave them Law…

    //////

    God had not yet given the Law, so how did Noah know which animals were clean and which were unclean when God gave him instructions for how many of each species to take into the ark with him?

    SO THIS seems that IDEA BEHIND CLEAN AND UNCLEAN PRE-DATE THE MOSAIC law…
    and what do we see?

    18 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying:

    2 Speak to the people of Israel and say to them: I am the Lord your God. 3 You shall not do as they do in the land of Egypt, where you lived, and you shall not do as they do in the land of Canaan, to which I am bringing you. You shall not follow their statutes. 4 My ordinances you shall observe and my statutes you shall keep, following them: I am the Lord your God. 5 You shall keep my statutes and my ordinances; by doing so one shall live: I am the Lord.

    6 None of you shall approach anyone near of kin to uncover nakedness: I am the Lord. 7 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness. 8 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is the nakedness of your father. 9 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your sister, your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether born at home or born abroad. 10 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your son’s daughter or of your daughter’s daughter, for their nakedness is your own nakedness. 11 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife’s daughter, begotten by your father, since she is your sister. 12 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s sister; she is your father’s flesh. 13 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother’s sister, for she is your mother’s flesh. 14 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s brother, that is, you shall not approach his wife; she is your aunt. 15 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law: she is your son’s wife; you shall not uncover her nakedness. 16 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother’s wife; it is your brother’s nakedness. 17 You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, and you shall not take[a] her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter to uncover her nakedness; they are your[b] flesh; it is depravity. 18 And you shall not take[c] a woman as a rival to her sister, uncovering her nakedness while her sister is still alive.

    19 You shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness while she is in her menstrual uncleanness. 20 You shall not have sexual relations with your kinsman’s wife, and defile yourself with her. 21 You shall not give any of your offspring to sacrifice them[d] to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. 23 You shall not have sexual relations with any animal and defile yourself with it, nor shall any woman give herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it: it is perversion.

    24 Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, for by all these practices the nations I am casting out before you have defiled themselves. 25 Thus the land became defiled; and I punished it for its iniquity, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you shall keep my statutes and my ordinances and commit none of these abominations, either the citizen or the alien who resides among you 27 (for the inhabitants of the land, who were before you, committed all of these abominations, and the land became defiled); 28 otherwise the land will vomit you out for defiling it, as it vomited out the nation that was before you. 29 For whoever commits any of these abominations shall be cut off from their people. 30 So keep my charge not to commit any of these abominations that were done before you, and not to defile yourselves by them: I am the Lord your God.

    yhwh is SAYING THAT the nations are DEFILING themselves (UNCLEAN actions) .


    I never said God told them it’s a right thing to do or its not right ….”

    RESPONSE: LOL!! You silly donkey, when your god TOLD the Israelites to kill innocent children, he was not doing it himself! How dumb are you???

    ///
    remember, your gods COMMANDS come from your gods MORALLY GOOD NATURE…u dumb donkey!

    ” People do what they think is right and when there is no Law that says otherwise why would they not do it? Why are you like this?”

    if you say god told people to KILL babies (amalekite infants) then it is REASONBLE and possible that he told NON-jews TO kill babies PRIOR to telling the jews TO KILL babies….then it is NOT that PEOPLE just made it up, people were doing the will of yhwh PRIOR to moses….

    if yhwh could command the jews to kill babies, then he COULD do the same to the non-jews …..

    AND then the QUESTION becomes ABOUT natural inclination to do good

    what does it even mean ?

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  13. stewjo004

    @ Looney Latty

    1. “As you can see @ Rehman and @Stew left it long time ago because they cant defend it anymore…”

    Lol, why are you bringing up like your my ex-girlfriend or something? I do not care about you’re moronic responses to QB and felt no need to give any refutation to your dull, half-baked arguments. As far as you and I’s discussion, you lost that weeks ago when you admitted to worshipping a thing that doesn’t have God’s attributes that you yourself agreed on and basically conceded that you are an inconsistent, idol-worshipping pagan that can’t even properly define prophethood let alone a monotheistic God.

    2. “Can I ask you please is there any prophecy that Mohamed gave during his time that came to pass before he died…Please don’t tell me anyone that is not in the quran or about him saying they will win a war… You be stupid to tell your followers you will lose a fight and expect them to follow you..”

    So basically: “I’ll reject anything because I’m a retarded kaffir that loves being fuel for Hell. ”

    And for what pray tell reason are we bound by these conditions of just using the Quran? (Which if you knew even basic Islam would realize this is a dumb “challenge” as you are asking for a prophecy of Muhammad(saw) when the Quran is not his speech it’s God commenting on things happening in his life) This is ANOTHER demonstration of your complete ignorance of Islamic theology)

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      1. Stew, check this out. This is the donkey’s response to me when I asked him where it says in Genesis that RAPE and BESTIALITY were sins. I asked him this because he was arguing that when Abraham married Sarah (his half-sister), he was not committing a sin since God had not revealed a law stating that it was forbidden:

        Loool take time to think.. For something to be consider a sin it has to come from God, then that will require you to believe in God. If God have not send down the law and people decides among themselves what they consider right or wrong then that’s what anyone will follow…that’s what we call moral … if at the time they consider Rape as a moral thing to do then its not a sin for them because God has not condemned it.. it only become a sin when God say so… Your problem is You think you and God are the same or you think you know better than God.. You want to know why God didn’t condemned it earlier before Moses.. and for that reason you think God is Bad….

        😂😂 I mean, what else can we say?

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        “… if at the time they consider Rape as a moral thing to do then its not a sin for them because God has not condemned it.. it only become a sin when God say so… ”

        how about a hebrew soldier who DESIRED his beautiful captive but gave chance to his son to take his desired instead? Did yhwh prohib the father from marrying his apple of eye and desired DAUGHTER inlaw which has become his sons ex-wife YET foreign?

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    1. Larry

      Lol no one is telling you to reject anything, I am only asking if there is any prophecy apart from all the silly ones you mentioned before…. If there is none all you need to say is No lol. It’s a very simple question and if you say I lost no problem can we focus on proving your fake prophet is sent by God now since according to you Christianity is not the way. There is no need talking about bible anymore… is that OK?

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      1. stewjo004

        @ Looney larry

        God, you’re such a FOB. I didn’t say anything about rejecting Islam🤦‍♂️ Also where did I mention any prophecies or the Bible man in my last post? I said why are we Muslims bound to the conditions you set?

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      2. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        Furthermore once again pagan, you can’t disprove something without defining what it is. For example, I disproved your man idol as being God by first defining what God is and we both agreed on some of the definitions. Then I asked does the “Son” have these definitions you agreed to and then you ignored and committed heresy in your religion. In the same way my little heretic you have to give criteria of what a prophet is in order to prove or disprove them. Not that difficult.

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  14. mr.heathcliff

    According to deuteronomy, a hebrew soldier can take a beautiful captive and marry her. Say that the father desired to marry her, but gave his son a chance instead. If she did not keep the son in-law satisfied in marriage, would a foreigner captive be legal to marry to the father who initially desired her?

    Any law which forbids hebrew from marrying his foreign daughter in-law which has become his sons ex-wife?

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      1. Max

        Sex slavery means capturing females in wars and having sex with them without them willing.

        For example–> ISIS capturing females and having sex with them(basically rape)

        How is ISIS having sex different from right hand possession?

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      2. stewjo004

        @ Max

        Oh if that’s your definition then no. Concubines (aka right-hand possessions) is a consensual relationship that is entered into. First to prove they can’t be raped:

        And Safiyya bint ‘Ubaid said:
        “A governmental male-slave tried to seduce a slave-girl from the Khumus of the war booty till he deflowered her by force against her will; therefore ‘Umar flogged him according to the law, and exiled him, but he did not flog the female slave because the male-slave had committed illegal sexual intercourse by force, against her will.”https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6949

        So the first point is you can have a female slave but that doesn’t mean she’s necessarily a concubine. It’s not an if you’re one then you’re the other. So for example, she might enter into this type of relationship to get special treatment etc. as opposed to regular slaves. As for ISIS, hard for to judge not knowing all the variables but a lot of fiqh issues there (assuming the media is tellling the truth):

        1.They were already citizens and had a treaty of protection from the Iraqi and Syrian governments for generations. So you can’t just set that aside.

        2. They were not taking Yazidis as concubines but were instead forcing them to convert to Islam (haram in and of itself) and “marrying” them.

        3. They were forcng captured women to do abortions (again haram in and of itself) as the whole point of waiting a menstral cycle before you and a concubine begin having sex is to see if she’s pregnant.

        4. Selling their organs on the black market

        5. They never gave the option for Jizya. They may take the miniority scholarly position of this only being for Christians, Jews and Zorastrians but historically every religious group was offered this option for obvious reasons.

        6. Another weird point is they still enslaved people that “converted” to Islam.

        7. They were also doing this (despite media attention) to Muslim women as well. (You can’t take Muslim women as spoils of war)

        https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/06/middleeast/pregnant-yazidis-forced-abortions-isis/https://www.middleeasteye.net/fr/node/160906https://www.counterextremism.com/content/isiss-persecution-women

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  15. Answermyquestion

    @Morningstar bro I asked you a question bro plz answer

    Is basic female rights given in Hinduism? for example: education ,etc.

    And why Hinduism is called a mythology and not abrahmaic religions? In terms of both scholarships and general terms?

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    1. Why don’t you research this yourself? Read some books of Hinduism. Read their scriptures and see what it says about women’s rights?

      Regarding Abrahamic religions, I would argue that some things in Judaism and Christianity are myths. For example, the Bible talks about a sea monster known as Leviathan. This mythical monster was also a part of Canaanite mythology. The pagans believed it represented the chaotic ocean. Similarly, in Hinduism, there are mythical concepts, like the turtle that holds the earth on its back.

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      1. Answermyquestion

        You said ”Why don’t you research this yourself? Read some books of Hinduism.Read their scriptures and see what they say about women rights?”
        Have you ever seen any book Hindu scripture? First of all there are so many of them and they have so many pages, going through each and every page and researching about women right isn’t possible for me?
        Moreover, why are you guys here? you guys will help us. isn’t it ?

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    2. @AMQ, Sorry man I’m busy, the only time I come here is when I wanna drop some truth bombs and occasionally chokeslam some nigerian then I dive back into oblivion

      “And why Hinduism is called a mythology and not abrahmaic religions? In terms of both scholarships and general terms?”

      Afaik secular academia does consider some portions and slices of Abrahamic religions as mythology, as far as general terms is considered it doesn’t really matter, It’s like arguing whether *people* should consider James Bond as science fiction as well instead of only action and thriller due to some gadgets found in the movie here and there, it’s irrelevant

      “Is basic female rights given in Hinduism? for example: education ,etc.”

      Not sure if it’s a “right” but going by logic of the manusmriti it will depend on her guardian instead of her being entitled to it

      “how will I know that which translation of ramayana is correct?

      because ved ka bhed used Tr.IIT Kanpur”

      He literally gave you the sanskrit right there bro

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  16. stewjo004

    @ Looney Larry

    1. “…@Stew said it could be a way of God preventing another Hitler or for them to be in heaven…”

    Please do not quote me as your religion does not teach this so none of that applies to you. Your religion has the following options (hint babies go to Hell):

    Do Babies Go to Hell?

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      1. stewjo004

        @ QB

        No, it’s far past “superficial” it’s heretical. He makes up a bunch of stuff his religion doesn’t teach then tries to combine Islam into it (like the babies) it’s all really weird.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Walakum salam

      Nothing much the newest thing is everybody refuting this crazy murtad (whom we’ve dubbed “Looney Larry”) who converted to Christianity because the voice in his head said so.

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      1. Shrek4life

        Ye I saw his above comments hasn’t he been commenting for months? Ion understand these(Larry) type of ppl if u found ur “truth” then why start criticising Islam is it to have certainty on their belief or fear? I know it’s not for trying to “bring Muslims to the light” coz There happy as long as muslims leave islam even tho by their doctrine ur gonna go hell at least there aren’t Muslims🤡 I know this be all random n stuff but seriously these ppl annoy the fuck outta me. It’s like that rando on yt that said his friend used to be an iman n told him that “the more u learn about Islam the more indefensible it gets”… plz kill me🤦‍♂️😭😂🌚

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      1. shrek4lifee

        That’s good brother may Allah(swt) keep u well. Alhamdulillah ive been alright we are in lockdown again ffs n I can’t work( I’m a tradie, not full time tho coz I’m studying business) Rn because of this retarded premier…but ALL IS WELL WITH ALLAH(swt) I started trying to learn to read Arabic to recite the Quran sooo I’m happy with that.🙂

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  17. Weird that repeatedly Paul feels the need to emphasize that he’s not lying

    ” If I must boast, I will boast(BH) of the things that show my weakness.(BI) 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever,(BJ) knows(BK) that I am not lying. 32 In Damascus the governor under King Aretas had the city of the Damascenes guarded in order to arrest me.(BL) 33 But I was lowered in a basket from a window in the wall and slipped through his hands.(BM)

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      Is that like the bible saying king david was only trying to get warm and dis not have sexual intercourse with young night nurse?

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  18. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I have created my own website which I dedicate to protect my bros and sisters in Islam from being mislead by disbelievers(kuffar) and I wish to prove to Americans that they have absolutely no reason to hate and fear Islam, and I wish to clarify the misconceptions which people have about Islam. Because, I’m not a Muslim ruler and neither a Muslim politician for me to deal with terrorists and clarify easily the misconceptions which disbelievers have about Islam.

    And I wish to debate with Sam Shamoun, Ali Sina, David Wood and others so I can give the best Dawah to them for the sake of God.

    And right now I’m making an article called “Most misinterpreted violent verses of Quran” from Sunni view.

    My questions are:

    1. Is it ok if I wish to study at Harvard University Debating Union if my intention is to be a Murshid and Missionary(Daee)?
    2. Is this intention of creating the website is acceptable in the Eyes of God?
    3. Is there any Sunni student of knowledge who has WordPress and email address so I can get in touch with him and invite him to my website for some help?

    Jazak Allah Khair

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  19. mr.heathcliff

    One of the biggest evidence that nt jesus was a false profit was about his followers making false predictions in his name and doing miracles. Every year crosstians been drinking deadly poison, casting out demons and predicting end of the world.

    If just one of these are false jesus is confirmed a false prophet

    But ALL three are false

    so what do crosstians do?

    “Its metaphorical”

    “This applied to early followers”

    So thanks for admitting christianity has no way to verify it except through hearing voices in head and feelings.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      whoever made the following bs really believed in his bs:

      He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

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  20. Larry

    LARRY 1. “show me where it says TRANSGENDER is A SIN in QURAN”
    STEW For one being transgender is not necessarily a sin in certain contexts to begin. Next again why do we have to limit ourselves just because you say so? You claim:

    Lool funny guy and he calls me heretic …. So according to you TRANSGENDER is not a sin….meaning you can marry a trans…..

    LARRY 2. “Lool Can they prove that their gods create heaven and earth ? if they can then why not loool funny guy…”

    STEW Ughhh can you prove Jesus(as) did?

    1 kings 18:36-37 And it came to pass, at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near and said, “LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, let it be known this day that You are God in Israel and I am Your servant, and that I have done all these things at Your word. 37 Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that You are the LORD God, and that You have turned their hearts back to You again.”

    LARRY 4. “… clearly it shows he wasn’t sacred at all he only made it up..”

    STEW Then why go through the rigamarole of criticizing himself?

    SO that people will feel sort for him loool brainwash 101… you didn’t attend the class ?

    STEW 5. Can I ask you please is there any prophecy that Mohamed gave during his time that came to pass before he died…Please don’t tell me anyone that is not in the quran or about him saying they will win a war… You be stupid to tell your followers you will lose a fight and expect them to follow you..”

    STEW To begin that’s…quite poor logic. For one what do you do if you lose lol? Next, the prediction of the Romans winning against the Persians is him(saw) going against the grain as Rome was getting battered and he(saw) had no way to control Rome or Persia. Furthermore, if you read the passage:
    30:1. A.L.M.
    30:2. The Romans have been defeated,
    30:3 in the lowest land nearby. But they will reverse their defeat and be victorious,
    30:4. within three to nine years’ time. And the Judgement, before and after this, is with God. ON THAT DAY THE BELIEVERS WILL CELEBRATE,
    30:5. AT GOD’S HELP. He helps whoever He wants (to) because He is the Final Authority and the Forever Merciful.

    STEW The day the Romans defeated the Persians was the same day the Muslims won their first major battle against Quraish at Badr.
    Lool very funny guy I have a gift for you https://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Azmy/failedprophecies2.htm that answers you.. We all know your prophet is a joke and his followers are liars… the fact that there were different renderings of this verse. Seeing that al-Baidawi admits that variant readings of this passage existed and seeing that these variants affect the meaning of the text,

    STEW I can add further that he(saw) predicted his uncle Abu Lahab dying as a kaffir and rotting away beforehand as Surah Masad says.

    Loool Funny guy is it safe to say you will die a Muslim ? if that happened does that makes me a prophet ? loool 1 Quran didn’t say he will die as a Kaffir and also Muslims can die and go to hell too but lets say Kaffir potato potato .. For now we cant say Abu Lahab will go to hell for sure of he is in hell.. we need to wait for judgement day first and secondly didn’t your Allah say he will show mercy to whoever he wants to… as you can see you can say this is a fulfil prophecy because it has not happened ..lool can you see how stupid it is that Muslims are trying so hard to find prophecy to prove their fake prophet …Lol you should know better that this cant stand

    LARRY 1. “This is to correct you again…I told you God saved Lot because of Abraham you said no read for yourself……And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the Plain, that God REMEMBERED Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when He overthrew the cities in which Lot dwelt”

    STEW One is your text saying God forgot something?

    No its not and you know that because you speak good English …. Only God knows why you guys have to act like this…

    STEW Also, this hurts you as that means Lot got a VIP pass because of his family connections.
    How do you guys think? Don’t you make dua for people ? when you do what do you expect Allah to do? Not answer?

    LARRY 2. “This is the one that shows why you guys cant blame God which I have been trying to explain…Lot and his daughters went to Zoar first then later went to live in a cave… how is this God’s fault ? there are people in the city of Zoar and those Angels already told Lot they will not destroy Zoar, why leave Zoar and why cant the girls think about the people they left in Zoar?”

    STEW Again this hurts you as the main excuse given (especially by the Jews) is they committed incest because they they thought no people were left on Earth.

    Seriously you people are funny … you really think you love God but you are not an honest person… you really think this hurt me how ? loool even if Lot rape his daughters how does that affect Christianity …the only way it can hurt me and my religion is if its written in the bible that God accepts it and teaches us to do the same… do I really need to tell you this?/

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      the donkey wrote :
      Seeing that al-Baidawi admits that variant readings of this passage existed and seeing that these variants affect the meaning of the text,

      ////

      whats the rendering of the verses , donkey piglet?

      “ool even if Lot rape his daughters how does that affect Christianity ”

      it means that when your shitty triune god cannot keep his apple of his eye on the path of righteousness, then anything new testament says about jesus must be a lie, since torah has admitted that everyone born of a woman is a sinner, which includes jesus.

      jesus never said he is sinless
      jesus does things in new testament which is in torah law seen as sin

      so if yhwh could not keep lots human nature free from sin, what chances did jesus’ human nature have from sin?

      yhwh is impotent god unless he participate in sin .

      the pigshit wrote :

      LARRY 2. “This is the one that shows why you guys cant blame God which I have been trying to explain…Lot and his daughters went to Zoar first then
      ////

      when lot went to zoar how long he lived there? where does god or the angel of the lord tell lot that his fears in staying in zoar are nonsense?
      if yhwh did not want lots daughters to have sex with him, why yhwh did not send a letter and tell lot that his fears are nonsense?

      “later went to live in a cave… ”

      how long later? if lot stayed there for more than 5 months why did those fears arise ? what was yhwh doing in that 6 month period? playing tiddly winks ?

      “how is this God’s fault ?”

      because women go to the top of the mountain where a RIGHTEOUS man is not in sight or even a sinful one…..the only righteous one is there father, so logically they think that having sex with their father would produce lot like offspirng

      so yhwh could have cleared the confusion, yet he was playing tiddlywinks .

      ” there are people in the city of Zoar”

      evidence ? WHERE? how close to lots family ? what makes you think lot KNEW there were ppl in zoar ?

      “and those Angels already told Lot they will not destroy Zoar, ”

      so?

      “why leave Zoar and why cant the girls think about the people they left in Zoar?”

      where does the text say the girls knew there were people in zoar? stop pulling things from your ass. you are ADDING to the story.

      what was your INCOMPETENT god doing ? why your god did not tell lot to go to zoar and marry of his daughters to the people in zoar ? lot was keen in offering his daughters to gays, yhwh was NOT KEEN in telling lot to offer his daughters to people in zoar?

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      oh, by the way, can you explain this :

      I’ve done plenty of digging, and no other historical error in the bible is clearer than the biblical author’s lying to the reader in denying David’s sexual infidelity in 1st Kings 1:1-4. The very notion that several adults disregarded sleeping close to the fireplace, or having David sleep with one of his polygamous wives, and thus thought the only way David could cure his night chills was for him to sleep next to a pretty young virgin girl picked at random from the city, is f… preposterous, and no Christian woman of today would even start to believe a similar excuse if she came home, found her husband in bed with a pretty young virgin girl picked by his friends from another part of town, and listened to him say “I was only trying to get warm, I did not have sex with that woman”.

      https://turchisrong.blogspot.com/

      please show this guy how much bible school helped you out.

      why 1st kinds is COVERING king davids sexual sins even in old age?

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    3. mr.heathcliff

      “STEW I can add further that he(saw) predicted his uncle Abu Lahab dying as a kaffir and rotting away beforehand as Surah Masad says.

      Loool Funny guy is it safe to say you will die a Muslim ?”

      i never knew how much of a dumb shit you are. if i say that stew WILL NEVER be a believer, all stew has to do is become a believer or even pretend and say “i stew believe ….”

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    4. stewjo004

      @ Looney Larry

      1. “Lool funny guy and he calls me heretic …. So according to you TRANSGENDER is not a sin….meaning you can marry a trans…”

      To begin that’s not a heretical statement. Being trans depending on certain conditions is not a sin in Islam. An intersex person (i.e. one who is born ambiguous not purposely emulating another gender) is not responsible with how God made them. Regarding marriage, it would depend on which side they gravitate towards.

      2. “1 kings 18:36-37 ”

      For one that text has nothing to do with Jesus(as). Two, that proves nothing and is called “circular logic” using your “evidence”:

      “In the beginning, this (universe) was but the self (Virāj) of a human form. He reflected and found nothing else but himself. He first uttered, ‘I am he.’ Therefore he was called Aham (I). Hence, to this day, when a person is addressed, he first says, ‘It is I,’ and then says the other name that he may have. Because he was first and before this whole (band of aspirants) burnt all evils, therefore he is called Puruṣa. He who knows thus indeed burns one who wants to be (Virāj) before him.”(Brhadaryanka Upanishad 1.4)

      So accordingly we should all bow to the Hindu idols as well.

      3. “SO that people will feel sort for him loool brainwash 101… you didn’t attend the class ?”

      God, you’re dumb. Your argument was he(saw) despite knowing Zaynab(ra) all his life, “coveted” her out the blue. Got it. To “disprove” that he (saw) was uncomfortable, (as the Quran clearly states) you argued he(saw) then sent a marriage proposal and then made up revelations. Cool. Then why go through a whole rigamarole that wasn’t necessary to begin with. He could have told Zaid(ra) to divorce and just married her why go through a bunch of unnecessary steps? For example when he(saw) had more wives there was no “revelation” justifying this. It was done and everyone kept it moving. There was no need to make up anything.

      4.”Seeing that al-Baidawi admits that variant readings of this passage existed”

      Notice Shamaoun never quotes Baydawi so why don’t you bring what he said here for everyone to read? To begin he clearly states this is a Meccan surah and was revealed as a prophecy which is enough to refute right there. But basically he just mentioned in passing that some people read (i.e interpret) this way but (and Allah hu alim) there is no qiraat that I’m aware of that does this nor does Baydawi quote who read it that way so it’s irrlevent. Even then for argument’s sake we go with this reading (note regarding the “reading” Muslims did not “make” anything up dumb@$$ since there are no harakat you can change the tense of the verb in the sentence in this case) The reading being proposed:

      “A.L.M. The Romans have defeated (others), in the lowest land nearby. But they (Muslims) will reverse their defeat and be victorious, within three to nine years’ time. And the Judgement, before and after this, is with God. On that day, the believers will celebrate, at God’s help. He helps whoever He wants (to) because He is the Final Authority and the Forever Merciful. This is a promise from God, and God never breaks His promise, but most people don’t even know. (30:1-6)

      This makes no sense in the overall Surah which is clearly talking to the pagan Arabs and Muslims did not have any political authority at the time. There would be no reason for a tiny sect being oppressed to then say their defeating the Romans soon.

      5. “Loool Funny guy is it safe to say you will die a Muslim ? if that happened does that makes me a prophet ? For now we cant say Abu Lahab will go to hell for sure of he is in hell.”

      For one are you making a prophecy? Also yes we can, once God says someone is in Hell it’s a done deal there is no “maybes” on top of that he died worshiping multiple gods like you which God says He will not forgive. Finally, you ignored the “rotting” part of the equation. The verse says he will rot away and does a triple entendre.

      111:1. Let Abu Lahab’s hands rot away, (as) he will rot away!
      111:2. His wealth and what he’s earned will not help him.
      111:3. He will soon be broiled in a flickering flame,
      111:4. with his vile wood carrying wife,
      111:5. as twine decorates her neck….

      A. Catches a skin disease that rots away his beauty
      B. His children abadoned him and his wealth could not save him as he died alone
      C. All his power was cut (another meaning for hands)

      So he rotted both in power and the literal sense, and is thus a true prophecy.

      6. “No its not and you know that because you speak good English …. Only God knows why you guys have to act like this…”

      Lol says the foreignor who can barely form proper English sentences. The verse says He REMEBERED. The Daddy idol repents, gets tired, regrets so why cannot I not conclude He forgets?

      7. “How do you guys think? Don’t you make dua for people ? when you do what do you expect Allah to do?”

      No, you are saying the only reason he (as) was saved is because he was Abraham’s(as) nephew and nothing else. That is a VIP status for no reason. Again look at the Daddy’s record of injustice so that’s again not a crazy conclusion.

      8. “you really think you love God but you are not an honest person… you really think this hurt me how ?”

      Awwww here you go playing the victim card again 🙄 The “hurt” (master of English) is in regards to your theory.

      9. “the only way it can hurt me and my religion is if its written in the bible”

      Not really. You don’t care what’s written in your text and just make up your own thing as you’ve demonstrated time and time again.

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      1. Lol, the donkey is copying Shamoun now? 🤣😂🤣 I already debunked Shamoun on the variant of Surah al-Rum. You’re an idiot, Donkey Larry. And you’re a waste of time. You need to catch up, little boy. We’re all way ahead of you. 😂

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      5. “Loool Funny guy is it safe to say you will die a Muslim ? if that happened does that makes me a prophet ? For now we cant say Abu Lahab will go to hell for sure of he is in hell.”

      It was about the condition of the persons heart and how quran named and revealed this person to the listners.

      A dirty dog like you cannot do that.

      Compare to judas

      in the new testament , judas BETRAYAL becomes IMPORTANT , without it, jesus would not be handed over. yet even after repenting and commiting suicide( bible does not say suicide is sin) judas is condemned to hell.

      so abu lahab does not

      1. Repent
      2. Does not pretend.
      3. Does not become muslim

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      Imagine woman having islamic attire and good behaviour

      Vs

      A woman with revealing clothing and good behaviour

      The woman with good behaviour and revealing clothing will still draw your attention towards her body, why is that?

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      quote:
      You may be struggling to don the khimar, but there are some positive first steps you can take.
      The hijab-instinct is built into every human being. We close the door when we remove our clothing, we enjoy personal space and privacy, we shut the blinds and curtains at night, and we avoid people who make us uncomfortable. The khimar is an extension of this instinct.
      So if you’d like to put on the khimar, but your faith isn’t quite there yet, then you can start by:
      – Editing your privacy settings online. Hundreds if not thousands of people visit your social media account every year. Control what you allow them to see.
      – Start wearing longer outfits.
      – Try wearing the khimar to certain places, events, and functions. Some people may not like this, but it is better to cover sometimes then to not cover at all.
      – Look up some new outfits from modest clothiers; you might find something you like.
      – Encourage your husband, brothers, father, or son to also cover their `awra.
      Once you gain a moment of inspiration to don the khimar, then don it, and don’t let shaytan get between you and your intention.
      We are here to please God, and that requires sacrificing some of the things we may like. Beauty is a gift that has been entrusted to us. Our bodies are a trust. So let’s do with them what the Owner wants us to do.

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    4. mr.heathcliff

      quote:
      One dear brother, Sadat Anwar, made an interesting point in saying that he’d rather wear a khimar for a day than high heels for an hour. It’s an interesting point – heels are somehow seen as “worth it”, despite the pain and distraction they cause. The same applies to eyebrow plucking and uncomfortably-tight clothing. It is also interesting to me that, those who cast off their khimar all take on an Anglo/Franco style of clothing — even in Muslim countries — rather than their own indigenous clothing. How much of this is just kowtowing to Anglo/Franco standards?
      We don’t necessarily know the ‘illa of hijab, but I once said in the past: perhaps the reason why our women cover more than our men is the same reason why their women cover less than their men. Why is it that “professional attire” for women can include skirts, sleeveless dresses, and low blouses, yet a professional man is expected to not expose any of that? What is it about a woman’s appearance that differs from a man’s appearance in this case? Think over that.

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  21. mr.heathcliff

    it is stuff like this which could be a reason for people like m brown to say that jebus “did NOT DIE for future sins”

    the problem with having a pagan blood sacrifice which “covers all years” one has to tell himself in his brain the following

    “I have to sin, if i dont for half an hour than jesus didnt DIE for that half hour” lol

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  22. mr.heathcliff

    Larry, why bible covering king davids sexual sins?

    Quote:
    I’ve done plenty of digging, and no other historical error in the bible is clearer than the biblical author’s lying to the reader in denying David’s sexual infidelity in 1st Kings 1:1-4. The very notion that several adults disregarded sleeping close to the fireplace, or having David sleep with one of his polygamous wives, and thus thought the only way David could cure his night chills was for him to sleep next to a pretty young virgin girl picked at random from the city, is f…g preposterous, and no Christian woman of today would even start to believe a similar excuse if she came home, found her husband in bed with a pretty young virgin girl picked by his friends from another part of town, and listened to him say “I was only trying to get warm, I did not have sex with that woman”

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      1. Yes the higher the caliber of people around (though that’s too much to ask from our opponents) the better the discussions gonna be, I’m gonna have to get back to netflix for comedy tho

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  23. Suzain

    In Quran it is written ”if you kill one innocent it means you have killed whole humanity and if you save one innocent it means you have saved whole humanity.”
    But this verse also says we told Children of Israel ,then how is this thing applicable to Muslims?

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    1. @Suzain

      1. “I entered the house of Uthman on the day he was under siege and I said, “O leader of the believers, I have come to give support or fight.” Uthman said, “O Abu Hurayrah, would it please you to ‘kill the people altogether’ (5:32) including me?” I said no. Uthman said, “By Allah, if you have killed one man, then it is as if you have killed all the people.” So I returned and I did not fight.”

      Sa’īd ibn Manṣūr, Sunan Sa’īd ibn Manṣūr (al-Hind: al-Dār al-Salafīyah, 1982), 2:386 #2937; declared “authentic” (ṣaḥīḥ) by Ahmad Shakir in ‘Umdat Al-Tafsīr ’an Ibn Kathīr (Miṣr: Dār al-Wafā’, 2005), 1:666 verse 5:32.

      2. Idk why nobody mentions this but the argument is so ridiculous that it’s like holding on straws when we have rulings from other verses and the sunnah, it’s not like our stance depends on this single verse alone

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  24. Handsome guy

    In Quran it is written that Allah told Children of Israel that if you kill one innocent you kill whole humanity and if you save one innocent you save whole humanity.
    But how is this verse applicable to Muslims?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Handsome

      For one, the obvious thing is we know killing from this ayah is something Allah dislikes and there’s no logical reason to then still think this doesn’t apply now. The context of the verse is Allah is mentioning how the Jews used to go overboard in killing (and their own text testifies against them see Numbers 31:14-18) and just got done mentioning the first murder ever in Habil and Qabil.
      https://biblehub.com/bsb/numbers/31.htm

      Two, anything that Allah mentions critiquing what the Jews did is a warning for our nation not to do. So Allah says for example in the last part of the same ayah:

      “…But even after My Messengers came to them in succession with clear directions and proof, the majority of them continued to go overboard in killing throughout the land.” (5:32)

      This is similar to what He says when Muslims are given permission to now fight:

      “Fight in God’s Cause, those who are fighting you. BUT DO NOT GO TOO FAR, because God has no love for those who go too far.” (2:190)

      Allah mentioned this because there is a point where when fighting back you can become the person who is now going too far in the war. Another example where Allah mentions something to the Jews that are also mandated on us:

      “When I took the Covenant from the Children of Israel: “Worship none except God, honor your parents, relatives, orphans and the poor. Speak to people kindly, perform prayer and give charity…” with the exception of a few, you all turned away, objecting. (2:83)

      Is anybody going to argue any of this was something only for them?

      Finally, we know from other verses as well that killing is a serious sin for example:

      “Once they turn back, they work to spread corruption and disorder throughout the earth, killing crops and children (when) God doesn’t like corruption or disorder.” (2:205)

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  25. Handsome guy

    sorry guys I had to use another Id for asking this question, When I asked the question first it didn’t showed up in Open forum.

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  26. stewjo004

    Quick question guys, debating a Christian on QB’s video and he said in trying to explain his shirk:

    “Jesus was always God and than clothed himself in humanity and is not any less God as he’s 100% God and 100% man there natures are not the same because there TWO natures his human nature is kinda like a flesh suit if you think about it because he became man therefore he eat,went to sleep, pooped.”

    I’m pretty sure this is docetism in their heresies right?

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      1. stewjo004

        @ QB

        I can’t keep up with all their crap. Basically, he believes God “limited” Himself by coming down in the form of a human and at resurrection reopened up all His “powers” again. I feel like this is heretical but can’t put my finger on it…

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      2. Well if he believes that the divine nature was limited, then it’s definitely “heretical”. But if he believes that by taking on the human nature, he was “limited” then that’s pretty much standard trinitarian doctrine as I understand it. In fact, I think they believe that the human nature is now eternally with him.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      “Jesus was always God and than clothed himself in humanity and is not any less God as he’s 100% ”

      So how can a pagan “clothed god” be 100 human with human consciousness?

      “God and 100% man there natures are not the same”

      Why is he identifying an “i”
      “he”
      “him”
      As “their natures” ?

      “because there TWO natures his human nature is kinda like a flesh suit ”

      in other words the one “i” “he” “him” who is divine “i” “he” “him” is TEMPORAL and having human xperiences.

      Easy mathematics

      “if you think about it because he became man therefore he eat,went to sleep, pooped.”

      yes, yhwh the DIVINE “i” POOPED

      Very thanks

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        Quote:
        To say that the indiscernibility of identicals doesn’t apply to non-physical things is textbook special-pleading. We all know this is false: at time t, A is F and at time t A is not F. Something simultaneously being and not-being the same way is impossible for any sort of thing.

        God = “i”

        “I am God the everliving”

        Same God

        “I am GOd , death is taking my life”

        God is an “i” which is full of contradiction

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  27. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I have some serious questions which I really need them to be answered. Because, I feel worried about my Shahada.

    My Story Convert

    Prior to age of 15, I used to do a lot of bad shits like I used to do racist jokes not in bad sense, and I used to talk ill about God Almighty and later I felt bad about it. And my dad also supplicated for God Almighty To guide me to straight path every night and every prayer. And my dad also preached to me Tawheed when I was age of 14 I think. When I turned around age of 15, my dad asked me if I wish to be a Muslim and I replayed negatively. When I rejected my dad’s Dawah, I felt extremely guilty and I couldn’t sleep well so I told myself “if I want to prove to my dad that I know what is good for me, then I must embrace Islam willingly” and next day in the morning I have accepted willingly Islam. And I even abandoned polytheism after age of 15, not really because I accidently fall into it few years later out of ignorance, but later on I realized what I did was very wrong and so I immediately stopped after learning how dangerous it is to joke about God and how dangerous it is to joke about polytheism. But let’s be honest, back then I was literally ignorant but now I have no valid excuse. So when I realized the mistake I did, I stopped doing this for good! And then I made the intention that if I wish to be in Paradise, I must offer the 5 daily prayers regulate and constantly. And I even learnt how to offer supplications to God Almighty like a Muslim years later after age of 15. And now Alhamdulillah, I no longer commit polytheism after learning it’s severity and danger by myself and I completely abandoned it for the sake of God Almighty. And now I’m 22 years old practicing Sunni Muslim and I haven’t committed polytheism years ago! To be honest, back then I did not know it was kufr to joke about God, because I was living in a different culture and society. Now I even developed new intentions such as worshipping my Creator without ascribing partners to Him and to strive for Paradise because God Almighty stated that I have created mankind and jinnkind except to worship Me and Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) stated that whoever obeys me will enter Paradise, and that’s what I do currently. I try to obey God and His Messenger at the best of my ability so I can enter Paradise.

    My questions are:

    1. Am I excused from the guilt?
    2. Is my Shahada valid or invalid?
    3. Am I rightly guided or no?

    P.S. I’m very sorry for asking such questions, but I feel forced to ask them because this what has been bothering me for a while. I had extreme fear of hypocrisy and I felt like crying and enter into desperation. I would be grateful if someone can answer these important questions which I have.

    Jazak Allah Khair

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    1. As long as you regret your previous actions and have believed in Allah wholeheartedly, then all you past sins were forgiven when you became a Muslim. So forget about and concentrate on being a good Muslim going forward.

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    2. I think something more is bugging him, could be related to his mental condition.

      He’s been having this issue since more than a year coz he posted about it multiple times and Stew pretty much explained the same thing to him etc etc

      @Alex, I want you to get in contact with the Ustaad here, his email is attached on his bio…I believe he’s the perfect guy to not only answer your questions but also recalibrate you and clear your mind and give you some guidance with a touch of positivity, just make sure to tell him everything about your mental condition beforehand0

      https://mobile.twitter.com/aamullanee

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      1. Nah you’re not annoying, it’s totally ok to share your issues…you just need the right people to speak with…you need much more than just answers to your question…I know its hard for you and few people realize how mentally painful it can get, many times you’ve come here wishing for death, you feel that it is unbearable and beyond your control but trust me its not, I’ve been through this before…its a phase…

        Do contact the ustaad.

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  28. stewjo004

    Oh for future reference guys I just thought of what refutes Looney Larry’s “spiritual creatures gain worldly needs when coming to earth and vice versa argument” Jibreel(as) and Mikael(as) coming to earth to tell Ibrahim(as) about Yacoob’s(as) birth refutes that as both in the Quran and Bible they refused his food when he thought they were travelers and it alarmed him.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      “spiritual creatures gain worldly needs when coming to earth and vice versa argument”

      what about helios or a bunch of other pagan gods who did not gain worldly needs?

      quote:

      We have to raise an objection concerning the thought that if a body comes about without the agency of a human father, then this gives it a superior quality as far as its “need to be created” is concerned. We say that there would be no distinction between the normal bodies and this “untainted body” in this respect, since even in this latter case, there was a need to identify which woman would be the mother of this body, as well as the exact time and place that this body would manifest itself in.

      In fact, even if the body had appeared without a mother, and had suddenly appeared in the midst of people as a full-grown man, there would still be many needs attached to this body and many specifications that had to be determined for this body, such as its exact location, time of appearance, its exact coordinates at every instant, and so forth. So whatever the case may be, a body has a need for specification that has to be fulfilled by something other than itself.

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  29. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I wish to offer this supplication:

    “O King of kings! Please Make Yemen, Pakistan and Iran to permanently abolish child marriage, and Make Yemen, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Iran to execute rapists and Make Syria to execute anyone that commits honor killing. Please my Lord, I ask You because You are the only One I can call upon and I don’t know anyone besides You who can do this for me. And please my Lord, Make all Muslim countries to execute anyone that in case they commit necrophilia, incest or bestiality. And my Provider, please bring life to planet Mars so we can successfully colonize it without difficulties and make planet Mars as 2nd home world for us humans. And please my Provider, Make our natural resources to regenerate extremely fast after each time they’re wasted so we can utilize them for constructions. Please Ya King of Kings, Make all Muslim countries especially Yemen, Pakistan, Iran, Qatar and Saudi Arabia to write a corporal punishment for rape and that corporal punishment should be execution. And Make all Muslim countries especially Iraq and Syria to execute anyone that commits terrorism. Please my Lord, I wish people would stop making false accusations against the religion of Islam like Islam sanctions rape, honor killing and other bad things! And Make all Muslim husbands to stop domestic violence. Because, I heard Muslim husbands do that in Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Tunisia, Yemen, Libya and Morocco. And my Lord, please Make the Muslim parents and Muslim teachers to educate children that domestic violence is haram and honor killing is haram and terrorism is haram and extramarital sex(aka rape, necrophilia, bestiality, incest, pedophilia, fornication and adultery) is bad. Please my Lord, I would be extremely grateful if You could do this for me. And please my Lord, bless me with good death and with security from punishment of grave and with Highest Garden of Paradise without any Judgement and Punishment. And Destroyer! Please bring death upon Hamas, Taliban and Hezbollah and bring the end to terrorism. And please my Lord, bless me with skills and knowledge in science, technology, engineering and design and bless me with a tea of large scientists and engineers.”

    My questions are:

    1. What is the transliteration of this supplication from English to Classic Arabic?
    2. Is it correct how I made this supplication?
    3. Is there any forbidden thing in the supplication I made? if so, what are they?
    4. How should this type of supplication be made in correct way?
    5. What Names of Allah should I use in this kind of supplication?

    P.S. I really wish this Last Third of Night to offer this supplication while being in prostration. Because, like this I will have twice chances high of being answered. And I heard that many scholars and students of knowledge tells me that one must offer supplications in Arabic language while being in prostration and not in your own language.

    Jazak Allah Khair

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Alex

      1. What is the transliteration of this supplication from English to Classic Arabic?
      I’ll also note your PS here as well. I’ve never heard the position that a dua has to be in Arabic what matters is sincerity.

      2. Is it correct how I made this supplication?
      I’d end with some praise of Allah personally

      3. Is there any forbidden thing in the supplication I made? if so, what are they?
      I would to be on the safe side not put any curses on potential Muslims and instead ask Allah to guide everyone to the right path instead.

      4. How should this type of supplication be made in correct way?
      No problems I see other than ending in ameen.

      5. What Names of Allah should I use in this kind of supplication?
      Al Jabbar- The Dominator
      Al Aziz- The Almighty
      Al Aleem- The All Knowing

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    1. Not “refuting” anything but I think he’s giving too much credit to their pre islamic history like comparing their previous civilizations to the caliphates is like comparing a Chihuahua with a Lion, they were nowhere near as great nor as significant nor as relevant

      So the Nabateans were traders and had an excellent irrigation system…what next? That’s it? That’s next to nothing compared to inventions of other civilizations of the time especially that of the Chinese and Indians

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    2. stewjo004

      @ Mishal

      As noted nothing to refute. The first point is nothing he says refutes the initial point. His problem is he’s making the mistake of thinking cultures and nations are monolithic instead of having multiple time periods in their history (for example Pharaonic Egypt is MUCH different from Ptolemaic Egypt just like the US during George Washington’s time is VASTLY different from the US of he 70s) All the cultures such as Nabateans etc were much different then from the time of the Prophet(saw). By his time period, they were for the most part nomadic or basic civilization barring a few exceptions (and even then not nearly as advanced as surrounding civilizations just like now NOBODY wants to go there) Even ignoring this fact, Islam is their most successful empire at the end of the day period. Muhammad(saw) was more successful than all those listed and was basically the first king of the Arabian Peninsula. Down the line for the rest:

      1. Not all Arab Tribes are Ishmaelite

      Correct.

      2. Most Arabs in the 6th Century were Christian & Jewish, not Pagan Idolaters

      Have never heard this claim before and am highly doubtful quite frankly looking at jahili poetry and our surviving archaeological evidence. If memory serves basically Northern Arabia was Christian (because of Romans) and there was some sporadic Judaism (mostly migrant)

      3. Arabs were certainly relevant before Islam. Read about Nabataea, Hatra, Abgarid Edessa, Emesa, Ghassanids, etc.

      Not…really? I mean some trade but to show their irrelevancy how come Persia or Rome didn’t invade them? because it wasn’t worth the effort or time for something that’s basically a wasteland.

      Also, I know the Ghassinids were but pretty sure like 2 others in this list were Roman client states (aka puppets)

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  30. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I have seen in Norway a terror attack took place recently. I simply don’t like to believe that terrorists are Muslims, but prefer to believe they are worst than devils. And I even strive hard to find proofs against terrorists that they are worst than devils so I can excommunicate them.

    My questions are:

    1. If I see a terrorist claiming that he is a Sunni Muslim, am I allowed to declare him a disbeliever and shed his blood?
    2. If I see a terror attack, and I would go there and start attacking the terrorists, would my Jihad be true Jihad?
    3. If I become a real Sheikh and Mufti of Islam, will I be able to declare Jihad against terrorists?

    By the way, I’m Anti-Terror for the sake of Allah.

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  31. Vaqas Rehman

    Sorry to be annoying but if it’s not too much trouble whenever you guys have the time could you make dua that my health and work situation is alright? I can’t give any specifics due to privacy reasons so I hope that’s enough information to make said dua.

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  32. stewjo004

    I freakung HATE Youtube comments now. Literally was commenting to the idiot on the “Angel of the Lord” video this and it deletes it:

    Here is Exodus:

    “There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a blazing fire from within a bush. Moses saw the bush ablaze with fire, but it was not consumed…“Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.” Then He said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.”
    At this, Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God…The LORD said…And now the cry of the Israelites has reached Me, and I have seen how severely the Egyptians are oppressing them. Therefore, go! I am sending you to Pharaoh to bring My people the Israelites out of Egypt.”f(Exodus 3:2-10)

    There is no mention of any other angels or entities at the scene. Now turning to Acts:

    After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush in the desert near Mount Sinai. When Moses saw it, he marveled at the sight. As he approached to look more closely, the voice of the Lord came to him: ‘I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.’ Moses trembled with fear and did not dare to look.
    Then the Lord said to him, ‘Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground. I have indeed seen the oppression of My people in Egypt. I have heard their groaning and have come down to deliver them. Now come, I will send you back to Egypt.’ (Acts 7:30-34)

    So right here Acts clearly states an angel was there talking. The definite article being there is irrelevant as the same scene is clearly being described in both accounts and the proof is established through internal evidence.

    PS
    You said: “And let me thankyou for taking the time out of your day to respond to me instead of showing affection to a rock like the pagans did before you”

    Do you mean like Jacob(as)?

    18Early the next morning, Jacob took the stone that he had placed under his head, and he set it up as a pillar. He poured oil on top of it, 19and he called that place Bethel,d though previously the city had been named Luz.

    20Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and watch over me on this journey, and if He will provide me with food to eat and clothes to wear, 21so that I may return safely to my father’s house, then the LORD will be my God. 22And this stone I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that You give me I will surely give You a tenth.” (Genesis 28:18-22)

    Honoring something God established is not paganism, believing it can help or harm you is. Also, I fail how you can call anyone a pagan when you worship multiple entities like pagans of old actually did.

    (Sigh) Anyone use it or don’t QB but I’m over the site at this point.

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      1. stewjo004

        @ QB

        Yeah, I’m thinking what the heck is the rhyme or reason to this system? The dude literally said we were pagans and it posted but didn’t when I said the same, It also deleted that other dude who I was giving dawah to on another of your videos when I said to him to become a Muslim. The bias is just unbelievable to me now.

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    1. Just skimmed, lol did he confuse the definite and indefinite articles like 2 times?

      1. The presence or lack of presence of the definite article holds no significance whatsoever as a rule unless it is used for Theos/God

      2. Other than Theos, a word can be

      (i) explicitly definite

      (ii) or it can be implied via context

      (iii) or it can be both translated as definite or indefinite without changing the meaning e.g “a prophet of God”or “the prophet of God”

      This is the general rule in grammar

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      1. “(ii) or it can be implied via context

        (iii) or it can be both translated as definite or indefinite”

        Especially in the case of prepositional phrases, it’s common throught the NT actually and it even reflects in translations

        At the end of the day its irrelevant as Stew pointed out but still the idiot is wrong in that detail

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  33. stewjo004

    Alright, everybody new thing for the clown show 🤡 that is Christianity. While researching for a new blog article our “example of the CHurch” that is Origen straight up says that John contradicts the Synoptics and that Christians have to interpret this story “spiritually”:

    “2. The Discrepancy Between John and the First Three Gospels at This Part of the Narrative, Literally Read, the Narratives Cannot Be Harmonized: They Must Be Interpreted Spiritually.

    The truth of these matters must lie in that which is seen by the mind. If the discrepancy between the Gospels is not solved, we must give up our trust in the Gospels, as being true and written by a divine spirit, or as records worthy of credence, for both these characters are held to belong to these works. Those who accept the four Gospels, and who do not consider that their apparent discrepancy is to be solved anagogically (by mystical interpretation), will have to clear up the difficulty, raised above, about the forty days of the temptation, a period for which no room can be found in any way in John’s narrative; and they will also have to tell us when it was that the Lord came to Capernaum. If it was after the six days of the period of His baptism, the sixth being that of the marriage at Cana of Galilee, then it is clear that the temptation never took place, and that He never was at Nazara, and that John was not yet delivered up…There are many other points on which the careful student of the Gospels will find that their narratives do not agree; and these we shall place before the reader, according to our power, as they occur. The student, staggered at the consideration of these things, will either renounce the attempt to find all the Gospels true, and not venturing to conclude that all our information about our Lord is untrustworthy, will choose at random one of them to be his guide; or he will accept the four, and will consider that their truth is not to be sought for in the outward and material letter.”

    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101510.htm

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    1. This reminds me of Clement, he makes a similar distinction between John and the synoptics

      “Again, in the same books Clement has set down a tradition which he had received from the elders before him, in regard to the order of the Gospels, to the following effect. He says that the Gospels containing the genealogies were written first, and that the Gospel according to Mark was composed in the following circumstances:- Peter having preached the word publicly at Rome, and by the Spirit proclaimed the Gospel, those who were present, who were numerous, entreated Mark, inasmuch as he had attended him from an early period, and remembered what had been said, to write down what had been spoken. On his composing the Gospel, he handed it to those who had made the request to him; which coming to Peter’s knowledge, he neither hindered nor encouraged. But John, the last of all, seeing that what was corporeal was set forth in the Gospels, on the entreaty of his intimate friends, and inspired by the Spirit, composed a spiritual Gospel”

      http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/clement-fragments.html

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        Quote:

        Notes:

        a – The things the disciples cannot now (i.e., 30 a.d.) bear, are things Jesus has to “say”.

        b – So when v. 13 asserts the Spirit, who will be speaking later won’t speak on his own but rather convey only what he “hears”, the author clearly intends the reader to believe that the Spirit will, sometime after Jesus dies, continue to convey what Jesus has to literally “say” to the church, this cannot be watered down to mere “guidance”. Inerrantist scholars appear to agree:

        “This spiritual guide’s task then is pointedly summarized as receiving that which comes directly from Jesus and passing it on or messaging it (cf. vv. 13–15 for a communication triad) directly to the disciples. This type of passing on of significant information reminds me of the rabbinic concept of the passing on of tradition and assuming that such tradition has been unaltered in the process.”
        Borchert, G. L. (2002). Vol. 25B: John 12-21. The new American commentary, New International Version (Page 170). Nashville: Broadman & Holman.
        ———————–
        c – “things to come” (v. 13), ok, so when the gospels have Jesus describing future events or “things to come” (i.e., Matthew 24), this statement in John would justify the view that Jesus’ eschatological statements were provided to the church by the Paraclete after he died, despite the fact that they present them in the gospels as if they were things he said before the crucifixion. These sayings of Jesus conveyed by the Spirit are a case of him taking them FROM Jesus (v. 14-15), reinforcing the above-cited conclusion that the Spirit is not merely “guiding” the church but conveying what Jesus actually has to “say” beyond the grave (v. 12).

        The point is that when you apologists assert the gospel of John constitutes eyewitness testimony obtained by typical memory or “recollection” of what the historically Jesus said and did before he died, you are giving the impression to the unbeliever that the person who wrote that gospel drew upon nothing other than his own and possibly other’s eyewitness memories, the same way that anybody normally does when writing down a description of an event years after it took place.

        That impression conflicts with John’s own testimony that Jesus would continue giving his sayings to the church from beyond the grave, naturally raising the question as to whether some of the Christ-sayings in John were things the apostles never heard Jesus say until after he died.

        This then raises the problem as to which Johannine sayings of Christ were those that the biological/historical Jesus actually mouthed, and which sayings of Christ were those that the church never knew until the Spirit conveyed them to the post-crucifixion church.

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      1. stewjo004

        @ Shaad

        Yeah see it’s times like this I miss Ken as I really am curious how he would respond to the Church Fathers saying their text is contradictory (which straight up is a slap in the face of modern Christendom that is going for this whole “infallible” nonsense)

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  34. stewjo004

    Sooo still just perusing Origen and I’m starting to think Christians have never read this “example of the Church”. He also concedes there were three prophets being foretold in John 1:19 let’s read:

    “…The priests and levites sent from Jerusalem, having there heard in the first place that he is not the expected Messiah, put a question about the second great personage whom they expected, namely, Elijah, whether John were he, and he says he is not Elijah, and by his “I am not” makes a second confession of the truth. And, as many prophets had appeared in Israel, and one in particular was looked for according to the prophecy of Moses, who said, [4833] “A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up to you of your brethren, like unto me, him shall ye hear; and it shall come to pass that every soul that shall not hear that prophet shall be destroyed from among the people,” they, therefore, ask a third question, not whether he is a prophet, but whether he is the prophet. Now, they did not apply this name to the Christ, but supposed the prophet to be a second figure beside the Christ. But John, on the contrary, who knew that He whose forerunner he was was both the Christ and the prophet thus foretold, answered “No;” whereas, if they had asked if he was a prophet, he would have answered “Yes;” [4834] for he was not unconscious that he was a prophet…”

    https://biblehub.com/library/origen/origens_commentary_on_the_gospel_of_john/4_john_denies_that_he.htm

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  35. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I have many frustrations which I wish to discuss with my Creator of the Heavens and the Earth. For instance, some arrogant hatemongers love to quote verses of Quran out of context and say that terrorism is sanctioned and holy in Islam, but when I do this to their scripture, they’ll shout at me and they’ll accuse me of taking verses out of context. And another example is that when I wish to ask a question in Quora “why was Jesus racist towards black people” because I saw a question posted in Quora “why was Muhammad racist towards black people” but the problem is that if I do this I will get Quora notification telling me to be nice and respectful but that bastard won’t get any Quora notification!

    So my question is: Is it possible to discuss with my Creator of the Heavens and the Earth about my frustrations? If yes, how can I do this?

    Jazak Allah Khair

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