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    1. @StewCube, glorified troll? Lmao just shut up m8 stop being so humble for once sometimes i really wonder if you’re the real Drake…once your studies are over then please help Faiz with his channel, it will be good for you, for him and thousands of Muslims…let’s think big guys, this blog is the only place which i feel has obliterated christianity from top down left right so it’s time to do something bigger to spread the knowledge, all of you blokes deserve better and you guys don’t realize your value and importance to the Ummah…

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      1. stewjo004

        @ Shaad

        Oh, don’t worry inshaAllah once I finish I’ll have no problem. Most of their arguments are easy it’s just certain topics I have to increase my proficiency in some subjects and then I’m cool.

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  1. There was this anti hindu apologetics website run by a Muslim, probably the only one on the internet and i was checking it out today…it seems it’s been reported by hindutvas, such a shame, his articles were very informative and nor is the website archived in the wayback machine

    https://vedkabhed.wordpress.com/author/vedkabhed/page/15/

    I saw it coming since last year (he didn’t hold back his anti hindu comments) so i saved what i believed were his most important articles but idk how to share them here…these are HTML files and these articles are very important

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    1. @Faiz, it’s such a hassle, i’ll send them to you through email and maybe you could forward to Vaqas, Stew or anyone you like…idk if he will start a blog again so probably that’s what’s left of his research, i remember seeing him being annoyed over the lack of popularity of his articles so he was already on “i’m done” mode before he started again

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      1. stewjo004

        @ Shaad

        Good move. Send them to him as well and tell him not to give up.

        1. Remind him, Allah, is the one he’s doing it for and He’s kept account of everything.
        2. Tell him from a dunya perspective even if he changed one person it was worth it. Sometimes you might not see the fruits of your labor. For example, look at QB’s article that found it’s way to Reddit. To the best of my knowledge, they never met the man read it and inshaAllah was guided by it.
        3. Remind him he is literally taking one the last major beacon for big-time shirk. That religion is the last major religion on the planet doing open worshipping of other deities. So of course Shaytan is doing his best to try and save it.

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      2. @Stew, i was looking for a way to contact him, he deleted his facebook apparently (or it was mass reported by hindutva roaches) 🤨 i wish that his blog to be back up again but i doubt it….his blog was the only one dealing with hinduism in depth, will find a way to get in touch inshAllah…his twitter got suspended too, those idiots really aren’t giving this guy a break

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  2. @Faiz, @Stew….just had one of the most shitty online experience of my life, joined a Christian debate discord server, they portray themselves as academic…it was just bad, they ganged up, started shouting, insulting, ignoring my points…it was very loud, one guy even sounded like CP probably that was him idk, how do we even change the mind of people like these when they aren’t even willing to listen idk….i was anything but impolite, they kept interrupting me while i was answering their arguments wanting to change the topic or repeating the same question coz they knew they were getting refuted and when i ignored them and kept answering one guy started shouting and swearing (im sure) at me in Arabic and they lost it at the end, still thinking how to approach people like these or maybe they’re bound to become fuel for hellfire? It’s discouraging sometimes because we all have a vision to convert people to the truth yet people like these exist and it just demotivates you sometimes because you are aware that there are some type of people which is pretty much impossible for them to change their mind…does being calm work? It doesn’t does insulting work? It doesn’t then which dawah method should we adopt to work on these people?

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    1. Why i’m not surprised…that was Rob Christian’s server or closely associated server…a popular apologist…by Allah idk what to do, it’s like hitting a dead end, it was just very uncivilized…the reason im sharing this is because we all face the same issues and we all think about how to help them and clearly if we think of all this as a whole, Islam is better off without people like these…really…if people like these were Muslims it would only be bad for us Muslims, better focus on the open minded and decent people it will only bring benefit to Islam instead of uncivilized blokes like these

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    2. Lol, haven’t you learned your lesson already seeing all the trolls Stew and I have dealt with it? It’s just as I have always said: 99% of the Christians on the internet are foul-mouthed, vile trolls. The best thing to do is to mock them, laugh at them, and just refute them whether they listed or not. Leave them for Allah to deal with.

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  3. stewjo004

    @ Shaad

    I agree with QB. People like that are not actively seeking truth so don’t beat yourself up. Online is one of the hardest places to give dawah (which is why I usually just have the intent for Muslims to be confident we can answer these jerks) so the best thing you can do is either find respectful people to dialogue with or debate them for actually sincere people to read and be like “yeah they got nothing”.

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    1. @Faiz, @StewPanzershreck, indeed guys it was naive and stupid to even get concerned for them, going to dawah is like going to the battlefield and insisting on changing the mind of these people is like beating up a dead body….planning on nuking these servers already have a few blokes ready to join, they lure unsuspecting Muslims with their server pfp, it’s a Christian thing written with Islamic calligraphy and even convinced a naive one to convert, they’re just deceptive so it’s good that we keep nuking them…probably they’re the only servers closely related to CP and company, Discord is a platform where many naive Muslim teenagers roam around so yeah it’s important to protect those kids…it’s not about debate anymore, they’re out for your children

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  4. Noticeable developments guys, I noticed more and more french Muslims making their first step into dealing with missionaries online through blogs and videos…which is strategically good, French is spoken widely in Africa and that’s where missionaries are most active, so yeah it makes it easier for Muslims from there to learn online…nice, this is a blessing

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  5. Salam brother, I have been having a lot of doubts these days. How do I know Quran is the true word of Allah? How do I know it is preserved? Recent fiasco on twitter has really shook me. I know about the Qira and Ahruf , and also the old manuscripts , but I just dont feel right. I wake up and I have doubts and feel anxious. I then read Quran and I feel a little better. But then afterwards, the doubts come again , again feeling anxious. I dont know if this some sort of test or what . How do i know that the Quran is the true word of Allah?

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    1. Walaikum as-salaam. The best protection from these doubts is to remember Allah, pray to Him and make dua.

      The ridiculous controversy about the Quran’s preservation is completely unnecessary. It has been misused by charlatans like the Christian missionaries because deception is their main tactic. Yasir Qadhi himself has said these deceivers have misused his comments. He believes the Quran has been preserved.

      As for the Quran being the true word of Allah, remember that Allah says that He will preserve the Quran (Surah 15:9):

      “We have, without doubt, send down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).”

      Whereas other ancient books have been lost or corrupted, e.g., the Bible, the Quran remains preserved from the Prophet’s time to ours. This prophecy is falsifiable and yet it has been proven true. This proves that the Quran is from Allah.

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      1. Thanks man for the help. Appreciate it. I’ve been reading a lot since morning and listening to numerous videos . They have been really helpful in decreasing all the doubts that I had. Im feeling convinced that the Quran is indeed the true word of Allah

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      1. Salam brother. These doubts poured in when Yasir Qadhi said that line ” the standard narrative has holes in it” and the charlatans like Jay Smith and Wood were jumping up and down to say Quran isnt preserved. However, there wasnt anything special about it and Qadhi was a moron (what he usually is).
        Those doubts are alhumdulilah gone now , as I’ve read a considerable amount of sources regarding the ahruf and qiraat and Quranic preservation.
        Plus im reading MM Azami’s The History of Quranic text which is explaining all the things in detail.

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  6. Forgiveness:

    وَلْيَعْفُوا وَلْيَصْفَحُوا ۗ أَلَا تُحِبُّونَ أَن يَغْفِرَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ ۗ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

    Let them pardon and overlook. Would you not love for Allah to forgive you? Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

    Surat An-Nur 24:22

    And Allah said:

    خُذِ الْعَفْوَ وَأْمُرْ بِالْعُرْفِ وَأَعْرِضْ عَنِ الْجَاهِلِينَ

    Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the ignorant.

    Surat Al-A’raf 7:199

    And Allah said:

    وَإِنَّ السَّاعَةَ لَآتِيَةٌ ۖ فَاصْفَحِ الصَّفْحَ الْجَمِيلَ

    Verily, the Hour is coming, so forgive them with gracious forgiveness.

    SuratAl-Hijr 15:85

    And Allah said:

    الَّذِينَ يُنفِقُونَ فِي السَّرَّاءِ وَالضَّرَّاءِ وَالْكَاظِمِينَ الْغَيْظَ وَالْعَافِينَ عَنِ النَّاسِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ يُحِبُّ الْمُحْسِنِينَ

    The believers are those who spend in charity during ease and hardship and who restrain their anger and pardon the people, for Allah loves the doers of good.

    Surat Ali Imran 3:134

    And Allah said:

    وَالْمَلَائِكَةُ يُسَبِّحُونَ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّهِمْ وَيَسْتَغْفِرُونَ لِمَن فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ أَلَا إِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ

    The angels glorify and praise their Lord and seek forgiveness for those on the earth. Verily, Allah is the Forgiving, the Merciful.

    Surat Ash-Shura 42:5

    And Allah said:

    وَلَمَن صَبَرَ وَغَفَرَ إِنَّ ذَٰلِكَ لَمِنْ عَزْمِ الْأُمُورِ

    Whoever is patient and forgives, verily, that is among the matters of steadfast determination.

    Surat Ash-Shura 42:43

    And Allah said:

    قُل لِّلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا يَغْفِرُوا لِلَّذِينَ لَا يَرْجُونَ أَيَّامَ اللَّهِ لِيَجْزِيَ قَوْمًا بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْسِبُونَ

    Say to those who believe that they should forgive those who expect not the days of Allah, as it is for Him to recompense people for what they have earned.

    Surat Al-Jathiyah 45:14

    https://abuaminaelias.com/forgiveness-in-the-quran-and-sunnah/

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    1. مَا نَقَصَتْ صَدَقَةٌ مِنْ مَالٍ وَمَا زَادَ اللَّهُ عَبْدًا بِعَفْوٍ إِلاَّ عِزًّا وَمَا تَوَاضَعَ أَحَدٌ لِلَّهِ إِلاَّ رَفَعَهُ اللَّهُ

      Charity does not decrease wealth, no one forgives except that Allah increases his honor, and no one humbles himself for the sake of Allah except that Allah raises his status.

      Source: Sahih Muslim 2588, Grade: Sahih

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  7. Salam brothers. I have to thank you for the help you gave in order to dispel the doubts that I had . The video posted above was an eye opener . I’ve been reading a lot since morning and I can say that my doubts are tearing down one by one. The statements in Quran like in Sura Zumr regarding development of humans in wombs in stages and in 3 dark veils was just astonishing. How can a human back in 7th century would have known about these 3 stages of development called trimesters? This isnt a word of man, it is the word of God. Plus the prophecy in Sura Rum , that the Byzantines have been defeated but they will win. That became true when the Byzantines avenged the Persians! And various other things as well . Plus the minor details… like regarding the narrative of Hazrat Yusuf. The king of egypt at that time wasnt called a Pharaoh . This is mentioned in Quran when the Quran calls him as Al Malik. And in the narrative of Moses, it calls the king of Egypt Pharaoh !! This minor detail is intact in the Quran. It is a historical fact. The Bible fails in this.

    All I can say is that I am feeling better and less anxious with my doubts. They are being shattered due to the glorious word of Allah which is the Quran and help and sympathy from you guys.
    Alhamdolilah for Islam ! Alhamdolilah for Quran!
    Indeed the emblems of truth

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    1. Can’t find any straight answer online except some bizarre takfiri points like “ohhh if he sinning so much then he didn’t accept jesus in the first place” which sucks as an argument

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        stew asked pauliz aka cerbie and made a post on it in missionary wall of shame.

        https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/cerbies-list-of-nightmares-and-unanswered-questions-issues/

        “What happens if a Christian sin after salvation? Will he be punished? Or as usual it will be put into the account of Jesus?”

        crosstians who sin against crosstians are already thinking to themseves that their sinful ways of life have already been atoned because yhwh transferred the sins and punished himself.

        so if a crosstian lies (they admit they CONTINUE TO lie), yhwh on d.o.j will put them in heaven because they already accepted that their lies which they continue to do have been cleared from punishment.

        so if lie x causes consequence y , then crosstian just simply continue to swim in jebus blood.

        yes, pauline jebus lets crosstians get away with crimes .

        psychologically and physically.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Talha

      Salamulakum wa rahma tu lahi wa barakatu.

      I’m just going to give a tad bit more detail just in case you run into it in the future and you’re not blindsided with new information. There are 3 versions of the story:

      1. Bukhari’s

      Nothing scandalous this is what happened:

      “Narrated `Abdullah:

      The first Sura in which a prostration was mentioned, was Sura An-Najm (The Star). Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) prostrated (while reciting it), and everybody behind him prostrated except a man whom I saw taking a hand-full of dust in his hand and prostrated on it. Later I saw that man killed as an infidel, and he was Umaiya bin Khalaf.”

      https://sunnah.com/urn/45410

      This is version (narrated a few more times in Bukhari) is the ONLY authentic chain of the story. Regarding the other 2 versions, the only reason they were given any discussion is because of the two heavy-hitter scholars who basically said maybe (I’ll discuss their evidence in a sec) The problem of why we can’t say “slam dunk” this is the only right one is because Bukhari’s version doesn’t technically contradict the other ones.

      2. Shaytan’s voice imitates

      Basically, this version is the Prophet(saw) recited Surah Najm when he gets to the last verses the Muslims heard the Surah as recited normally by the Prophet(saw) but the pagan Arabs hear Shaytan (who is mimicking his voice) reciting the “corrupt verses” and so they all bow together. As I noted these ahadith are all disconnected in their chain. Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani (completely rejects 3) but basically argued that even though all the chains are broken, there are so many this story becomes stronger (essentially mass attestation). While in theory, this principle is solid Albani wrote a whole thing countering Ibn Hajar on this.

      3. Shaytan straight up tricks everybody (i.e the version the kuffar like to quote)
      Basically, Shaytan mimics Jibreel tricks the prophet(saw) into reciting the “corrupt verses” and then Allah sends the right one along with the ayah in Surah Hajj

      I didn’t send any Messenger or Prophet before you except that when he said something, Satan threw some sort of misunderstanding into it. But God will put an end to that which Satan throws in; then God will make His verses precise because God is All-Knowing and ever Wise. (22:52)

      The scholar who took to defending this tale was Ibn Taymiyyah. He didn’t seem to endorse it per se but basically stated even IF this was true its no cause for concern as Allah still protected the Quran from corruption.

      The problem here (besides Aqeedah and no chains) is that there are multiple versions of the story floating showing that “adding” is going on. So when you combine the adding to the tale (in lieu of the authentic version), the lack of chains and contradiction of the Quran that’s why basically every other scholar rejected the story. And Allah hu alim.

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  8. Salam brothers . I want to know about the Sanaa palimpsest. Have read the lower erased text has variants and is non Uthmanic while the upper text is Uthmanic. Is it true? Does the lower text have different meaning? Why was it written in such a way ? Plus are the Topkapi and Samarkand copies similar to the modern era Quran?

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    1. Salam Akhi,

      “Have read the lower erased text has variants and is non Uthmanic while the upper text is Uthmanic. Is it true? Does the lower text have different meaning?”

      Afaik the lower text is older than the upper one and it’s simply a variant reading, the Prophet taught (or allowed) the Quran in different readings, either way it’s no big deal at the end of the day the standardization was done by a companion of the Prophet PBUH during a time when many of the companions were still alive

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      1. JazakAllah brothers!
        I appreciate your help
        By the way. Can you tell me what happened in Cairo 1924? I have heard that the script of Quran was standardised, the script we have today in our Qurans. Is it true? I cant find any good sources to know about it

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      2. I just saw on Twitter that Farid is going to do a video on this subject. Stay tuned.

        But again, standardization of the script or text or recitation or whatever does not = corruption. The Christians simply don’t understand the topic that they insist on talking about. Idiots like Jay Smith have shown their lack of knowledge and understanding of this topic.

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  9. mr.heathcliff

    faiz, you there?

    is the best approach to this topic to ask if

    1. are the scribes known?

    2. are the scribes unknown?

    3. is it good idea to make theory based on fragmentary manuscripts by unknown scribes?

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  10. I have a question regarding the story of Zainab and Zaid bin Haris. Christians say that Prophet saw Zainab alone in her house and desired her. When Zaid got to know this he went to Prophet and said I’ll divorce Zainab and give her to you. Prophet PBUH refused and told him to keep her with you. Then divorce happened and Prophet married Zainab.
    Critics point to verse 33:56 in which it states “you were hiding and God revealed it” something like that. Meaning the Prophet wanted Zainab and was waiting for the divorce to happen so that he can marry Zainab.
    Is this true? Because this has been narrated by Ibn Tabari and polemicists use this to attack the character of Prophet (PBUH).

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Talh

      This hadith comes from Ahmad, the first problem is there is a dispute of authenticity. Second Muammal says, he doesn’t know whether Anas (ra) said: “so something entered the heart of the Prophet” or whether his teacher Hammad said it. There are two versions of the story:

      A. “Scandalous” version

      The Prophet (saw) went to visit Zayd(ra) but he was not home and Zaynab(ra) answers. So she came wearing her regular dress (nothing extra). And said: “He’s not here but come in” ‘turns around and makes dua. ‘ Zayd comes back and Zaynab tells him the Prophet visited. He said ‘why didn’t you invite him in?’ She said ‘I did.’ He said ‘what did he say?’ She said ‘I don’t know but all I could hear was him making dua. So Zayd thought the Prophet (saw) might like her. And he went to the Prophet (saw) and offered to divorce Zaynab (ra) but the Prophet (saw) said ‘keep your wife and fear Allah’ (in the Quran).” Zayd did not want tostay married to her but the Prophet (saw) kept telling him ‘keep your wife.’ But eventually, he divorced and then when the Prophet (saw) was sitting with Aisha (ra), Surah Ahzab was revealed after Zaynab’s(ra) iddah.

      If you look at the story critically it really doesn’t make sense (even though nothing actually haram took place):

      1. He(saw) knew Zaynab(ra)
      Zaynab(ra) was his cousin and hijab hadn’t been revealed yet so why would seeing her be a fitna? He(saw) has obviously seen her before and if memory serves he’s the one who arranged the marriage with Zayd(ra). It’s kinda a funny argument because people don’t realize the Prophet(saw) wasn’t hurting for wives for example from Ibn kathir:

      ” If any of the Ansar had a single female relative, they would not arrange a marriage for her until they found out whether the Prophet wanted to marry her or not.,,”

      http://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Al-Ahzab/The-Reason-for-Revelation

      2. The Quran

      The story doesn’t really mesh with what Allah said:

      When you said to the man who was favored by Allah as well as you: “Hold on tight to your wife and have taqwa” you hid in yourself, what Allah would later reveal, because you were afraid of the people, but it’s more fitting that you fear Allah. When Zaid no longer wanted to be with her, I gave her to you in marriage so that it would not be difficult for the believers to marry their adopted sons ex-wives who they were no longer intimate with. Allah’s commands must be carried out. The Prophet is not at fault for what Allah has decreed on him. This was Allah’s way with those who came before and Allah’s command will be fulfilled. (33:37-38)

      B. Hassan al basri’s (heavy hitter Tabieen)

      Ali Zayn al-Abidin (Husayn’s (ra) son) asked one of his students, “What does Hasan al-Basri say about this verse?” So this narrator says, “I told him what Hasan says about the verse.” And from other reports, this narrator tells Ali version A. Ali Zayn al-Abidin says, “No – rather Allah had informed the Prophet (saw) that Zaynab (ra) would become his wife.”

      Allah had told the Prophet (saw) Zaynab (ra) will become his wife. So Zayd comes to him and says, “I want to marry Zaynab.” But the Prophet (saw) knows eventually Zaynab will be his wife. Knowing this he tells Zayd don’t divorce her. Why? Because he was scared that people will say, “He married the wife of his adopted son,” which was a big no no culturally.

      1. Quran

      Read the Surah again and this version makes more sense:

      When you said to the man who was favored by Allah as well as you: “Hold on tight to your wife and have taqwa” you hid in yourself, what Allah would later reveal, because you were afraid of the people, but it’s more fitting that you fear Allah. When Zaid no longer wanted to be with her, I gave her to you in marriage so that it would not be difficult for the believers to marry their adopted sons ex-wives who they were no longer intimate with. Allah’s commands must be carried out. The Prophet is not at fault for what Allah has decreed on him. This was Allah’s way with those who came before and Allah’s command will be fulfilled. (33:37-38)

      And Allah hu alim

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  11. Salam brothers.
    I have a question that is troubling me.
    Did Prophet (SAW) engage in slave trading? I know he had slaves and freed them all and treated them very well. But was he directly involved in it ?
    Also, what was the status of Maria al Qibtiyya? Was she his wife or concubine? If yes then why didnt he marry her when he had a son with her?
    Plus what is Islam’s stance on Slavery ? Some say it has been abolished by Islam some say it is allowed?

    I would be grateful if you could answer these three questions of mine.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Talha

      Down the line:

      1. Define “involved in slave trading”. Do you mean he had a slave market and was selling captured peoples then no? If you mean like did he buy and sell then yes.

      2. Maria was his concubine. Next, why would he? A concubine is a recognized halal relationship and she would be freed on his death regardless in the Shariah.

      3. Slavery is of various types (I think up to 16) Islam made haram all but 2 types.

      A. Kuffar defeated in battle
      B. People who sell them and their purchased (under certain conditions)

      Regarding “permissibility” realistically due to how the world works nowadays most people wouldn’t have a permissible one. Slavery essentially would only come from war and its the amir’s call if he wants to enslave the defeated party, cappture them as POWs or let them go. Because of modern agreements most people probably wouldn’t want to open this door again. Even ignoring this, it would be severely limited even in an Islamic society due to how zakah works:

      Charity is meant only for the poor, the needy, the people who assess and distribute it, those whose hearts need winning over, THOSE WHOSE NECKS ARE CHAINED IN EITHER SLAVERY or debt, those fighting in God’s cause and for travelers in need. This is a prescription from Allah because Allah is All-Knowing and Wise (9:60)

      So as is known zakah is distributed every year (scholars differ is it across the categories or one at a time) either opinion you take EVENTUALLY you will end up “resetting” all the slaves by freeing them (not to mention all the other ways to free slaves as punishments in the Quran or just the straight-up encouragement in Islam). Allah hu alim but the hikmah of Allah allowing imo was to act as a temporary punishment for kuffar fighting the Muslims and then by interacting with Muslims they themselves become it as the hadith states:

      Narrated Abu Huraira:

      The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “Allah wonders at those people who will enter Paradise in chains.”

      https://sunnah.com/bukhari/56/219

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  12. Salam brothers, I would like to get some kind of article or source to know about the crucifixion. The new testament testifies there was no disciple at the time of crucifixion. I would like to get some source on it.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Talha

      You DEFINITELY came to the right place for that question. I am currently doing a series:

      1. Contradictions and anachronisms in the gospels that make the Bible not a reliable document:

      https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2018/07/21/top-8-contentions-against-the-crucifixion-part-i/

      2. No historical witness outside the gospels:

      https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2019/07/02/the-crucifiction-series-part-2-the-other-sources/

      3. No prophecies in the Bible concerning the crucifixion:

      https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2020/04/05/the-crucifiction-series-part-3-what-the-prophets-of-old-foretold/

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  13. Salam brothers…
    I have a question that is bugging me. Surah Maida verse 82 says that you will find Christians close to you as they are affectionate towards you and youll find Jews to be the most hostile and aggressive. But history tells us otherwise. Muslims and Christians fought aggresively in the form of Crusades, Control of Spain, the Arab Byzantine Wars etc. Jewish aggression in modern times only began in 1948 when Israel was made, but Israeli aggression is limited to a specific region. On the other hand, aggressiveness of Christian majority states like USA, UK, etc has had a devastating effect on Muslims worldwide in the form of colonialism, interventions, throwing governments etc.

    So my question is, is this verse 82 only applicable to the times of Prophet(SAW) because the Jews were aggressive then, or does it apply to all the times?

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    1. Salam brothers,
      Are the directives laid down in Surah Tauba to fight the kufaar specific to the period of Prophet( SAW) ? Or are they for all the times?

      As far as my understanding is concerned, the directives are specific to the period of Prophet ( SAW). What do you guys think of it ?

      Furthermore, in the last verse , it is said that ift they still turn back , Say ( O Muhammad) that my Lord is sufficient for me….
      The “they” here, is it the kufaar or the munifeqeen? I think this refers to the munifeqeen as the preceding verses refer to them.
      I would like to have the opinion of you guys on these two things.
      JazakAllah

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      1. Walaikum as-salaam. The immediate context of Surah Tauba was the end of the agreement between Prophet Muhammad (pbub) and the pagans. They had violated the treaty of Hudaybiyah. But, the general rule of fighting those who have violated their oaths and attacked Muslims is for all times. Islam is not a pacifist religion.

        The ending verses are referring to the hypocrites.

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  14. Also, a couple of things that I need to ask as well..

    Quran 2:256 states that there is no compulsion in religion , and the right has been made evident from the wrong.
    But Quran 9:29 says to fight the people of book and that they have to be subdued and made to pay jizyah.
    Now, the question arises , why are they being coerced and being punished for their faulty beliefs when Surah 2:256 says there is no compulsion in religion?

    Also, is there inconsistency between Allah sending punishments to particular nations and no compulsion in religion? Because if there is no compulsion then why would Allah SWT punish the nations with faulty belief.

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    1. 9:29 was revealed in the context of Tabuk. It was due to the Byzantines aggression against the Muslims. Plus, the verse says the Jews and Christians have to pay the jizya. In return, they can practice their religions. There’s nothing there about coercing them to become Muslims.

      Allah (swt) can do what He wants and He punishes whom He wills to punish. Compulsion means forcing someone to believe. That is different from punishing them for having chosen to reject God. Even if they did believe after seeing the punishment, it would not be accepted from them. That’s what happened to Pharaoh. He refused to believe in God despite all the signs and evidences, and only when he was about to die did he finally believe. But it was not accepted from him.

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  15. stewjo004

    Salamualakum wa rahma tu lahi wa barakatu.

    Now we’re back in my favorite field which is the Quran. Just to add to what QB said (because honestly Surah Tauba (9) and Surah Kafiroon(109) are probably the most misunderstood suwar of our time whether Muslim or non-Muslim.

    Regarding “no compulsion” vs “jizya” the reality is this; you’re going to pay taxes no matter what even under the khalifah whether we’re Muslims or not just due to being citizens. The jizya is nothing new; they’re essentially now getting the rest of their taxes abolished and now paying to the new government. This has nothing intrinsically to due with forcing them in their religion as they would still pay zakah if they were Muslims.

    Regarding the infamous “fighting” part of the Surah, the historical context is Quraish and the Romans. You can see this in the Surah’s third verse:

    This is a proclamation from Allah and His Messenger, to THE PEOPLE ON THE DAY OF THE HAJJ j ˹pilgrimage˺. Allah is free from any commitment to the pagans, and so is His Messenger. If you repent now, it’s better for you. But if you decide to turn away, then be aware that you can never frustrate Allah’s will. So give the ones who disbelieve the ‘congratulations’ of a painful punishment. (9:3)

    As you can see its talking to a group of people who were stubborn in their kufr, tortured and killed innocent people and betrayed their treaties. As Allah says next:

    9:7. How can there be a treaty with Allah and His Messenger with people who equate others ˹with Him˺?…
    9:8. How, when whenever they’ve had any opportunity to advance against you or have gained the upper hand, they did not respect any courtesy with you? They only try to flatter you with what their mouths utter, but their hearts are against you and most of them are corrupt.
    9:9. They have sold Allah’s revelations for a small price, and block from His path. Have no doubts about this, what they do is evil.
    9:10. They would show no courtesy or regard whenever believers were concerned, whether it was the norms of being family or treaties. They are the ones who are committing the aggression.
    9:11. If they repent, establish the prayer and give charity, then they’re your brothers in faith. I will explain these verses in detail for people who are willing to learn.
    9:12. However if they violate their treaty once they’ve agreed to it and insult your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief so that they stop because their promises mean nothing to them.
    9:13. How can you not fight a people who’ve broken their word, tried to drive out the Messenger, and attacked you first? Do you fear them? It’s Allah you should fear if you’re people with true faith.
    9:14. Fight them! Allah will punish them by your hands and humiliate them! He will aid you against them and heal what’s in the chest of people who believe,
    9:15. by removing the anger and frustration from their hearts. Allah accepts whoever He wishes into His mercy because Allah is the All knowing and the One who passes Judgement.

    Remember the context; all this was after almost 20 years of dawah and war so imo I go with the opinion this was Allah’s punishment coming down on Quraish for what they did. As for the last ayah “if they turn back” from the context Allah hu alimit actually appears to be Muslims in general imo.

    9:128. A Messenger has come to you from among your own; everything that harms you harms him. He is tirelessly concerned over you; and is extremely understanding and unimaginably merciful when it comes to the believers.
    9:129. But even if THEY were to ignore or turn away, warn them: “God is enough for me and no one is to be worshipped or obeyed except Him. I put my trust in Him alone and He is the Master of the Ultimate Throne…”

    Allah is basically saying “even your Prophet(saw) who cares about you; if you disbelieve he is to be free himself from even you as well”. Why is Allah telling the Prophet(saw) to say this? The theme of the Surah is “cutting off” the disbelievers like our father Ibrahim(as) did to his people for example:

    9:1. ˹This is the˺ cut off by Alalh and His Messenger from the treaties you’ve made with those who equate others ˹with Him˺.

    9:46. If they had really wanted to go out with you they would’ve made all the necessary preparations. But Allah was disgusted by the idea of appointing them for the army and stopped them in their tracks. So it was said: “You can remain with those who are staying behind.”

    9:83. So when Allah brings you back to them and some of them ask you for permission to go out, tell them: “You will never be coming out to fight an enemy with me again. You were happy sitting back the first time around, so sit with those who stay behind now.”

    9:95. When you return to them, they will swear on Allah so that you will just overlook them, so ignore them. They are filth and a disease, their Home is Hell and it’s the reward for what they have earned.

    9:107. Then there are those who built a masjid with the intent to cause harm, disbelief and disunity among the believers. As well as have it act as a base of operations for those who fought Allah and His Messenger before. They testify: “We had nothing but the best intentions…” but Allah testifies that they’re liars.
    9:108. Do not ever even stand in that mosque. The mosque that was founded from its first day on being God-fearing is more deserving of your stay, because in that masjid there are people who love to purify themselves and Allah loves those who make effort to purify themselves.

    9:113. It is not becoming for the Prophet and the believers to ask forgiveness for those who equate others with Him after they’ve died. Even if they are their closest family members after having it made clear to them that they are the dwellers of the Flames.
    9:114. Ibrahim asked forgiveness for his father because he had made a promise to him. But once he realized that his father was an enemy of God, he cut himself off from him. And Ibrahim was truly tender-hearted and kept turning back to Allah.

    Allah gave a hard test to the Muslims about leaving out in the desert summer’s heat so Allah was putting things into perspective for the Muslims at the end of the Surah when He tells the Prophet(saw) even if they turn away:

    9:38. Believers, what’s happened to you? When you’re asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah you cling heavily to the earth? Do you prefer the worldly life over the Next? What are the enjoyments of the worldly life, compared with the life to come?
    9:39. If you do not march forward, Allah will punish you with a harsh torment and replace you with another nation. And you cannot harm Him in any way because Allah is completely capable of everything.
    9:40. If you don’t help him, Allah has already helped him when the disbelievers drove him out, as the second of the two. When they were in the cave, he had said to his companion: “Don’t worry because Allah is with us.” Allah then sent His tranquility down on him, helped him with forces that you can’t see and made the disbelievers words the lowest while Allah’s Word will always remain the highest ˹because˺ Allah is the Final Authority and the One to pass judgment.
    9:41. So march forth whether you’re light or heavy, and struggle in Allah’s Cause with both your wealth and your lives, this is better for you, if you only knew…

    9:117. Allah has accepted the repentance of the Prophet, the Immigrants and the Helpers who followed him in the hour of difficulty when some hearts almost wavered from the correct path. But He has accepted their repentance because He is no doubt compassionate and forever merciful to them.

    9:119. Believers, be God-fearing, and stand alongside those who are true to their words,
    9:120. because it’s not becoming of the people of Medina and the surrounding nomadic Arabs to stay back from following Allah’s Messenger, and to give themselves more priority than him. As for the reason they stayed behind; that thirst, that exhaustion, that starvation in Allah’s Cause. Taking a step that angers the disbelievers or coming into contact with any enemy, does not happen without a good deed being written for them as a result of it. Allah never wastes the reward of those who do good.
    9:121. They have never spent a little or a lot for Allah’s Cause nor cut through a valley, without it being written for them, so that God can reward them in accordance with the best of what they did.

    9:128. A Messenger has come to you from among your own; everything that harms you harms him. He is tirelessly concerned over you; and is extremely understanding and unimaginably merciful when it comes to the believers.
    9:129. But even if they were to ignore or turn away, warn them: “Allah is enough for me and no one is to be worshipped or obeyed except Him. I put my trust in Him alone and He is the Master of the Ultimate Throne…”

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      1. stewjo004

        @talha

        First full context:

        9:10. They would show no courtesy or regard whenever believers were concerned, whether it was the norms of being family or treaties. They are the ones who are committing the aggression.
        9:11. If they repent, establish the prayer and give charity, then they’re your brothers in faith. I will explain these verses in detail for people who are willing to learn.

        Basically what Allah is saying is that Quraish are the ones who violated treaties and the normal customs of the society are the real aggressors not the Muslims. However, Allah says if they stop and become Muslims (hence they make salah and pay zakah) then we Muslims are to act as if nothing happened and regard them as our brothers.

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  16. Ok, what I understand from this is that the kuffaar were being punished by Allah through muslims as stated in 9:14, now we do know that Allah’s previous punishments on previous nations destroyed them completely because of their ignorance and immorality and shirk, but here Allah , despite punishing the kuffaar, doesnt destroy them completely but in fact allows them to repent and become Muslims . Hence, Allah the most merciful.

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  17. Hey guys,,
    I would like to get some sources/books which destroy the ludicrous claims that the Quran was plagiarised from the Torah, Bible .
    I know Sami Ameri has written a book on this but its in Arabic and hasnt translated into English .
    Can you recommend me some sources/books on this?

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  18. Vaqas Rehman

    I’m getting real tired of Ken’s spiel that “Islam doesn’t deal with internal sins of the heart” anyone have a good quick list or resource that i can throw at him when he starts this argument?

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    1. Atlas

      Is he sputing his emotional verbal diarrihia again about the ‘internal sins of the heart’ and ‘600 years to late’ like a the idiotic broken record that he is?
      And not to mention the idiocy of the terms ‘internal sins’. Does Allah not say purify your hearts?

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      1. Atlas

        I haven’t posted there in a long time. I get VERY tempted though when I see a crosstian spew his garbage again like Ken. Becomes very hard to ignore without putting those lying snakes in their places if you know what I mean.

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      1. stewjo004

        @ vaqas

        I’ve refuted him on this several times. He just then moves the goalpost to “Islam does talk about it a little” blah,blah, blah. Have him define his argument with an example from the Bible with Jesus(as) then give something of equivalent value.

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      1. stewjo004

        @ Shaad

        “Internal sins of the heart” is like for example not lowering your gaze. By indulging in this “small sin” it will lead to a larger one such as lust and adultery. By being mindful of these small things “in the heart” you close the door for Shaytan on the bigger things. A good example of this concept is the hadith of the Christian monk Barsisa:

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        “What are the “internal sins of the heart”? Temptations? @Faiz @Stew”

        something which the jews tell us that the torah has always helped the jews in successfully controlling “internal sins of the heart” yet paid pagans like ken temple would have us believe that the torah for THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of years failed to do until the SHAFTING of a meat puppet on a cross.

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      1. Without the powerful atonement of the cross, and the powerful resurrection of Christ, the true Al-Masih, you have no power to overcome internal sins.
        Islamic culture controls outward behavior. (both society, family, and government controls, norms, pressures)
        Without the Holy Spirit, there is no power to overcome the roots of sins. (arrogance, anger, jealousy, bitterness, rancor, spite, vengeance, self-pity, lust, greed, etc.)

        Without the doctrine of original sin and guilt and corruption; Islam actually nurtures human pride – that one can pull yourself up by your own powers of discipline and choice and overcome sin – But it cannot do that.

        We are sinners too, by nature. I am not saying we are better. We have to come to end of ourselves and repent and turn to Christ for salvation.

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      2. You have to both the power of the atonement, the power of the resurrection, the power of the Holy Spirit, and the security and love of the relational aspects of God’s love, the Fatherhood of God, and adoption as sons and daughters of God; children of God.

        Islam denies all of that.

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    1. Vaqas Rehman

      @Ken Temple

      Wow so then it doesn’t matter to you how often Islamic texts would stress keeping the soul or the heart pure and away from sin, you just want the death of Jesus Alayhis Salam on the cross and to call God “father”…

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      1. Islam tells you that sometimes, but you can never purify your heart in your own power.

        This is whole point. Islam came 600 years too late and gutted true religion of its’ power. The only power is the cross of Christ, the resurrection, and the power of the Holy Spirit.

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      2. Hey Pennywise, either make a new argument or get lost. You’re not going to be allowed to spew your repetitive nonsense like a robot here. Your fetish religion impresses no one, especially those who have seen you mindlessly repeat the same garbage for years. Garbage doesn’t get better with time. It just rots further and emits a foul odor.

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    2. Vaqas Rehman

      @Ken Temple

      “Islam tells you that sometimes, but you can never purify your heart in your own power.”

      From not at all to a little, hooray for progress! In all seriousness Ken since you’ve admitted that Islam deals with internal sins sometimes or a little, what would an acceptable amount look like to you? Don’t go into whether it’s possible or not without the atonement and such doctrines, just answer the question when you have the time please.

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      1. Wrong dummy. I don’t want you taking advantage of other blogs to spew your repetitive garbage, while simultaneously and hypocritically blocking free discussion on your joke of a blog.

        As I said, bring something new. Don’t spew your mindless garbage that everyone has already heard 1000 times.

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  19. Vaqas Rehman

    I have a question for everyone. If a person while criticizing the behavior of a couple of muslims said

    “why did they turn on you? I would suggest because their minds and hearts are so deep in the spirit of Islam that the rancor, spite, anger, jealousy, hatred is the spirit of Islam and it inherently spews forth, given enough time and circumstance.”

    would you consider that an Islamaphobic statement? Because I do and i’m wondering if i’m wrong.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        ken temple reminds me of a whore who doesn’t understand hebrew and greek and loves to sell his spiritual homosexuality to those in a wife-husband relationship with yhwh.

        since you been shedding your body fat, have you found the ability to shed your eyes , hands like your pagan composite man-god advised?

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  20. stewjo004

    @ Ken

    Lol I just love how you talk without knowledge. i was not banned by Paul for hatred and rancour I was banned for calling him out for being a racist.

    https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2020/06/05/clarification-on-what-happened-between-paul-williams-and-me-yesterday/

    Nobody “turned” on that faggot kaffir, please take him as that is part of the filth that your religion produces. Thank you, have a good day and learn to stfu when you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    PS

    @ Vaqas

    Yes, it was a bigoted statement.

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  21. Vaqas Rehman

    Well it took awhile but i managed to get an answer from ken on how Islam could emphasize sins of the heart in his view.

    “Sin is not discussed as understanding how to become a Muslim, except to say the Shahada. (in the 6 pillars of both deeds and belief)

    It is not in those 5-6 pillars of each category. (deeds and faith)

    It is also not an over-riding emphasis in the Qur’an and Hadith, and therefore leaves mankind lost in their sins in the heart, because it does have the proper diagnosis of mankind’s problems and it does not acknowledge original sin and guilt and teaches that everyone has the Fitra and ability to clean themselves up and be acceptable to God. Therefore, it completely misses the mark of the Truth.”

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  22. stewjo004

    @ Vaqas

    Alright, because Ken BSes a lot:

    1.it doesn’t matter if it’s not discussed in all 5 pillars (which isn’t true btw) he’s already conceded it is in one thus defeating his claim. Just because God doesn’t do things like Ken wants it doesn’t make it wrong.

    2.This is hypocritical as this standard isn’t even in his own text. This is not an overriding theme in in the “gospels according to…” nor the Hebrew Bible.

    3. he’s lied as one cannot “clean themselves up” (as he put it) unless God wills so. It is faith in God that gives someone the ability to purify themselves not their own actions. We believe EXACTLY THE SAME as Christians in this regard we just don’t have to worship an idol to do it. Furthermore, since he doesn’t believe in fitra ask him a simple question, who taught him not to wake up and kill his parents one day?

    As for the pondering article, he’s probably going to still deny it (even though it’s much more explicit than any alleged proof of the Trinity)

    PS

    For giggles and to show how different the Hebrew bible and NT are; show him the following verse from Genesis:

    …6“Why are you angry,” said the LORD to Cain, “and why has your countenance fallen? 7If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you refuse to do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; you are its object of desire, but you must master it.” (Genesis 4:6-7)

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Vaqas

      Oh and I forgot:

      4. What is his objective number to state when something has an emphasis or not? Have him give a number then give that many examples.

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    2. Vaqas Rehman

      I posted your statements/questions and Ken replied. Their pretty long comments tho so i’m going link to them instead of posting them here. If you can’t see them or if the link doesn’t work for whatever reason, let me know and i’ll just copy and paste the comments. Also feel free to read through our conversation and critique how i did/ jump in yourselves when you have the time.

      https://apologeticsandagape.wordpress.com/2020/07/22/the-cultural-tendency-of-the-muslim-world-to-cover-up-their-sins-2/#comment-4622

      https://apologeticsandagape.wordpress.com/2020/07/22/the-cultural-tendency-of-the-muslim-world-to-cover-up-their-sins-2/#comment-4621

      https://apologeticsandagape.wordpress.com/2020/07/22/the-cultural-tendency-of-the-muslim-world-to-cover-up-their-sins-2/#comment-4624

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  23. mr.heathcliff

    “We believe EXACTLY THE SAME as Christians in this regard we just don’t have to worship an idol to do it. ”

    yes, “guide us to the straight path”
    Allah PUT TAWFEEQ in the hearts and we don;t need SECOND person of trinity “holy spirit” idol to get the guidance.

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  24. stewjo004

    @vaqas

    Just posting here because he censors a lot:

    Before beginning, if you have something to say you can say it to my face, Ken, no need to gossip behind my back (good job dealing with that sin btw) Down the line here:

    1. The claim is not on us. You first argued Islam doesn’t deal with internal sin, then you argued a little. To begin, the world does not run on Ken Temple’s feelings but we’ll ask again as YOU ARE MAKING THE CLAIM. How many references do you need of “internal sin” to say the matter is sufficiently dealt with?

    2.Interesting that you disagree the environment isn’t what alters people (and going against the majority of specialists that “nurture” is much greater influence than “nature”) but okay you have a better understanding I guess.

    3. To show your complete incompetence the Sufi movement did not start because of “internal sin” they wanted Muslims to get back to having a simple life as we had began groing decadent because God fulfilled His promise of us inheriting the Earth. This simple living is called “zuhd” and many early Muslims had engaged in it long before the Sufi movement came around so if you argue that is “proper” then you just conceded Islam teaches internal (again). Please see my post on QB’s blog with your common habit of speaking without knowledge.

    4.It is not “Islamic society” first off, it is the State’s job to enforce external law but it is NOT (and should not) be their job to enforce the internal part of the person (this was the major problem with your Church’s oppressive rule over Europe) You grow the internal through other means like you said reading, thinking, praying, etc. You are not stating anything about the “internal” that has not been discussed at way more length in Islamic thought.

    5. Next as you keep putting my name in your mouth, Paul did not ban me for “bad manners”, he banned me for exposing him being racist to black people. I have already stated this to you so I am now forced to say you must agree with Paul the White supremacist’s views.

    6. The Shia are bigger pagans than you that’s what the issue is. Everybody agrees Yazid was pos but the Shia want people to turn Muhammad’s(saw) family into min gods and nobody agreed.

    7. Regarding your poor analogy. It is bad that the person you worship never stated to worship them period. We can find plenty of explicit mention in the Quran and Hebrew Bible but all of a sudden its mum ‘s the word and forcing preconceived beliefs.

    8. I do not hate you I hate the BS you spew especially when you know you’re wrong.

    9. You are a liar you have been caught lying on multiple occasions example “Rabbi admits Jesus is god” to alter a person’s intended speech is lying.

    10. That’s interesting that you have now gained the ability to look into people’s hearts. Can you teach me that trick?

    11. What you call the “Holy Spirit” is simply God’s Decree so that didn’t really make any sense but whatever.

    12. You didn’t answer my point. How do people know its wrong to kill their parents? You ironically are the one who misunderstands firtah but like normal just talk. You know what’s great let’s just pull up some Quran verses to end this goofy stuff:

    6:109. They swear on God with their most ‘serious’ vows that if a sign came to them they would believe in it. Tell them: “Signs are ˹only˺ in God’s power.” What will make you understand that even if a sign came to them they still wouldn’t believe?
    6:110. I will change their hearts along with their eyes as a result of them refusing to believe in it the first time around. I’ve abandoned them in their sins and defiance and left them wandering around playing.
    6:111. Even if I sent the angels down to them, the dead spoke to them and I gathered all things right in front of them, they still wouldn’t have believed, unless God wanted it. But most of them act and judge by their emotions.
    6:112. I have made an enemy for every prophet in this way. There were evil ones from both humans and demons. They would inspire each other with propaganda but had your Lord wanted they would not have done that, so leave them and what they make up alone.

    76:29. This is a Reminder, now whoever wants, let them follow the way to their Lord.
    76:30. But you cannot want it unless God wants it because God is All Knowing and the One to pass Judgment.
    76:31. He enters whoever He wishes into His mercy and grace. And as for those who are doing wrong, He has prepared a painful punishment for them…

    81:25. And this is far from the word of Satan the banished.
    81:26. So where are you going?
    81:27. This is nothing but a Reminder to the realms.
    81:28. For whoever among you (who) wishes to walk.
    81:29. But you will do nothing, unless God wants it so, the Lord of the realms…

    We would be closest I believe to what you call “Calvinist” in this regard. Also, you can’t say someone doesn’t “seek for God” when they say if you don’t do something for God or you do something for God along for something else you get no blessing. Please again refer to the theme of you not knowing what you’re talking about.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      brothers, i think stew needs to do a post on this and then every time the fat paid missionary opens his mouth, stew simply updates his counter-counter.

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      “. To show your complete incompetence the Sufi movement did not start because of “internal sin” they wanted Muslims to get back to having a simple life as we had began groing decadent because God fulfilled His promise of us inheriting the Earth.”

      i think temple is a filthy hypocrite. why did the rabbis create a “fencing system” around torah commands? is it because the torah forgot to deal with “internal sin” ?

      i have read richard carrier say that nothing jesus said in the gospels is unique to him. i have read people say on academic biblical that the gospel writers created fictional debates between jesus and the jews to make jesus look like he was the originator of “internal sin” thing when in reality the yahood chatted about this stuff in their interpretations of the torah

      jesus would be one yahood among other yahood who would create a fencing system to prevent one from breaking torah laws.

      so pray alone could be spun and interpreted to mean when you pray, pray as if you are by yourself .

      ken temple should agree with this because the scum bag does not TAKE jesus’ advice and that is to cut off an eye if it causes you to sin/lust.

      a fencing system is already known in jewish literature. and if what jews say it is part of “oral tradition” going back to moses, then “oral torah” created a fencing system, which would mean there would be something to help control “internal sin”

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  25. ahmed004

    ALSALAM ALYKOM
    I would like to share this question with you
    in surah 34 aya 11
    أَنِ اعْمَلْ سَابِغَاتٍ وَقَدِّرْ فِي السَّرْدِ ۖ وَاعْمَلُوا صَالِحًا ۖ إِنِّي بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرٌ (11)
    “Make full coats of mail and calculate [precisely] the links, and work [all of you] righteousness. Indeed I, of what you do, am Seeing.”
    sabeghat سابغات is are shields and made of iron
    the question is about sabeghat سابغات
    Is there any historical evidence for the presence of iron shields in the time of the Prophet David ??? Because some non-Muslims say that iron shields did not exist until long after David

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  26. Salam brothers ! I hope you all are doing great.
    Im actually close to my undergraduate graduation and thinking of start learning Arabic soon after graduating in order to read various books written in Arabic , and obviously, better understand the Quran.
    What books would you recommend me to learn Arabic ? I’ve heard people study the Medina books ( dont know the details) to learn Arabic.
    What would you guys recommend?

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    1. stewjo004

      @Talha

      My recommendation is for free classes go here and register for Arabic Reading and Writing Made Easy (it has a variety of other classes as well)
      https://diploma.iou.edu.gm/opencampus/course/index.php?categoryid=9

      The other thing I recommend is you go to your play store and download the app “Learn Quran Tajwid” which is recommended by Madinah university for English speakers. if you use those both consistently for about a month you’ll be able to inshaAllah start being able to read it.

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