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  1. Larry

    @ STEW

    Besides this verse being a bunch of nonsense, Larry you are either God or you’re not, if something no longer has God’s qualities it is not God period. For example, if there is ever a time God doesn’t know something even if for a moment, one cannot say God is “All-Knowing” nor can He give Himself that title. So I’ll ask again and please respond with a simple yes or no:

    You are not completely wrong to think or say that, but what you are not getting is God is spirit and spirit doesn’t have Flesh like us. That’s why when Jesus came into the world he has to give up his divine privileges in other for him to be Human not God. I really don’t know why you think God doesn’t have the power to do all this things bible says.. do you really believe God doesn’t have the power to do it or what?… You people don’t believe in the spiritual things that’s why its difficult for you to understand things of Spiritual nature .. How can you understand God when God is spirit and you don’t have spiritual understanding.

    This is exactly what I wanted to talk to you guys about next… How Mohamed lied and also to prove his not a real prophet .. Muslims don’t know God, they only know Mohamed.. You don’t really understand God… Mohamed came and lied about bible is fake, Christianity is fake and the whole Jesus being son of God is fake. The stories in the bible, the Laws and commands go back as over 2000yrs of God speaking to people and telling them what to do and how to do it before Mohamed came and said everything written in the bible is corrupted ,, Then all of a sudden what God has been doing for over 2000yrs we should forget it because it has been corrupted and follow what Allah told Mohamed in the space of 23yrs that totally go against what God stands for.

    So when we say Jesus is God we are referring to what John 1:1 said… we are letting people know that the WORD in John 1:1 became flesh and dwelt among us and as we know the WORD in John 1:1 is GOD so simple. So the question for you is this.

    1 Do you believe what John Chapter 1 says to be true ?

    2 Either you believe and accept John 1 or Not lets go to according to what bible says .Do you believe the Word is Jesus ?

    This will make thing easier for all of us.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      “You are not completely wrong to think or say that, but what you are not getting is God is spirit and spirit doesn’t have Flesh like us. ”

      jesus is flesh and blood u moron, he says a spirit does not have flesh and bones. Ergo the person of your god was flesh and bone

      “That’s why when Jesus came into the world he has to give up his divine privileges in other for him to be Human not God.”

      So the pre-incarnate person in jonh 1:1 and human person of jesus are identical? In other words u worship a human person lol

      or in your case a human person WITH no divine attributes lol

      ” I really don’t know why you think God doesn’t have the power to do all this things bible says.”

      Idiot. Your god can cease to exist or become satan, i dont care..but when you say “god is powerful”

      We obviously dont mean he is able to be other than he or a statement of god being a POWERLESS creature like a man.

      .” do you really believe God doesn’t have the power to do it or what?… ”

      Stupid idiotic question.
      all things are UNDER the power and dominion of god, god is not UNDER his power LOL…this would make his power greater than he.

      Your dumb question makes no sense

      It is like saying “can god become blind even though he is all seeing” ?

      Examine the attribute. Blindness is WILLED into existence, how can something BROUGHT into existence put its EFFECT in god?

      “You people don’t believe in the spiritual things that’s why its difficult for you to understand”

      You are PUTTING PHYSICAL DEFECTS IN AN OMNI GOD U FREAKING RETARD

      “things of Spiritual nature .. How can you understand God when God is spirit and you don’t have spiritual understanding.”

      what drug do u smoke?

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      “The stories in the bible, the Laws and commands go back as over 2000yrs of God speaking to people and telling them what to do and how to do it before Mohamed came and said everything written in the bible is corrupted ,, Then all of a sudden what God has been doing for over 2000yrs we should forget it because it has been corrupted and follow what Allah told Mohamed in the space of 23yrs that totally go against what God stands for.”

      Pig, the jews had their rabbinic traditions which according to jews go all the way back to moses, but a pig like u will object to the traditions because ur pagan jebus didnt like them

      You also dont like what christian sects said about jebus. u will take issue with statements attributed to jesus by “heretical” sects…your hypocrisy stinks worse than blocked sewer.

      God in ot says that the priesthood will remain forever

      Where did god imagine that priesthood meant a pagan human sacrifice of a pagan saviour god in ot? paul the scum bag liar for jesus DISTORTS your torah and makes the eternal yhwistic ritualistic priesthood about his own pagan jebus ritual

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    3. stewjo004

      @ Looney Larry

      1. “You are not completely wrong to think or say that,

      Okay, then boom Jesus(as) isn’t God, simple.

      2. “…but what you are not getting is God is spirit and spirit doesn’t have Flesh like us…”

      That is 115% completely irrelevant to God’s attributes.

      3. “…That’s why when Jesus came into the world he has to give up his divine privileges in other for him to be Human not God…”

      Again is he God or is he not God? Not that hard of a question. God is God no matter where He is. Are you arguing that God was NOT All-Knowing, All Seeing and All hearing at one point in time?

      B. “…I really don’t know why you think God doesn’t have the power to do all this things bible says.. do you really believe God doesn’t have the power to do it or what?”

      Because it’s retarded to anyone who doesn’t follow your nonsensical religion. To begin let’s define “all things” again a simple question for you, can God be stupid? God does things worthy of His grandeur.

      PS

      1 Do you believe what John Chapter 1 says to be true ?

      Hell no. It’s stolen from a philosopher named Philo

      2 Either you believe and accept John 1 or Not lets go to according to what bible says .Do you believe the Word is Jesus ?

      Define your definition of the “Word”

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      1. Lol, apparently donkey Larry’s god “had to give up his divine privileges” to become a human. Sounds to me like he thinks his Jesus was only a human while on earth. According to trinitarian theology, that’s heresy. This donkey doesn’t even know his own idiotic religion.

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        “Again is he God or is he not God? Not that hard of a question. God is God no matter where He is. ”

        yes, this is why i said father, even if he was in a donkey would have dominion over anything , jesus on the other hand has a god who has DOMINION over him. he has a god.

        p1 . father is lord over all
        p2 . jesus is not lord over all
        p3. god is lord over all
        p4. god is the father, not jesus.

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      3. Larry

        The reason why I said let us put your understanding of God or Allah to test is to see how much you know about Spiritual activities, your answers shows you don’t have any ideal so there is no need addressing other questions I will just go straight to Word taking on flesh.

        Lol you said everything I typed I babble….I thought you were going to say there is nothing like Original Sin or you don’t believe in it… anyway if you read Leviticus you will see different types of sin and they all require sacrifice , Peace offering too and other offerings , Exodus 24:8 Moses sprinkled blood , Hebrews 9:19 and 9:21 Moses Sprinkled blood… so many verses in bible that shows sacrificing of animal and also Abraham situation with Isaac that you dodged which is in your Quran too ,God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac to test him when Abraham passed the test God provided him a ram to sacrifice, Why cant God just say Abraham passed that’s enough but no God has to provide him a ram … Looking at the different events in bible including 1 that Quran stole from bible its clear there is something spiritual and important about shedding of blood… So like I said it was God that test Abraham and it was God that provided him with a ram…. Muslim don’t have problem with that story for some reason I don’t understand…. You didn’t ask why is it not enough for God to say Abraham passed the test and that’s enough, why must God provide ram when Abraham has already show faith in God … You didn’t ask why does God need him to shed blood? … is showing faith and obeying God not enough? You didn’t ask any of those questions… But when God gave the world his only son for sacrifice in other to take away our sin you have problem understanding it… what is the different in Abraham’s case and Jesus’s case… God provided ram for Abraham and He provides Jesus for the world … also it was after Abraham sacrifice the ram he got blessed same thing it was after Jesus was crucified we got saved.. If you think I babble, I didn’t you are the one that don’t understand Spiritual things that’s why it sounds foolish to you.. Like I said before you don’t have any ideal of Spiritual activities ..that is why you don’t know if you have Spirit, body and soul.. you believe you only have body and soul , you even contradicts yourself when you say things…you questioned why does God need Jesus to die for our sin, why cant God just forgive us as he has been doing but you didn’t question why is sacrificing ram so important to him that when Abraham don’t have ram he gave him one, and Like I said the whole world need to make a big sacrifice and we don’t have a ram that qualify to do it then God provides what we need in Jesus… its so simple but you have been told nonsense about Christianity that when you see truth you don’t even recognise it.

        Regarding Word and Jesus being the same and you said Jesus didn’t posses attributes of God… as I have explained before, in other for the WORD to become flesh to serve as a sacrificial lamb he has to empty himself or else it will not be possible for him to become a sacrificial lamb.. If he didn’t empty himself who will be able to stand God? Who will be able to get close to God or threating God or even question God like Jews did? I don’t know if you ever think about this before, you say Jesus cant be God.. if Jesus could raise a dead person.. open a blind eyes.. cure leprosy and the fake one in Quran gave life to a clay bird, how come the Jews are able to do all they did to him if its not planned to be like that? including catching him if you say they didn’t crucify him but at least they caught him and Allah swapped him with someone else according to Quran… how come they were able to threating him with all his powers ? I am sure taking life is very easy almost anyone can do it…but giving life only God can do it….how come he didn’t just destroy the Pharisees and other people giving him trouble? John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here… If he didn’t empty himself its obvious he will not be able to fulfil what he came to do and its important just the way other sacrifice especially the Abraham’s one

        Word is the same as Jesus, same way who you are here on earth does not posses the same attributes in Spiritual realm or do you posses same attribute in Spiritual realm? And doesn’t make who you are in spiritual realm different from who you are on earth .. If your name is Stew here on earth in spiritual realm if you are not Stew you will definitely be attached to Stew not someone else.. or whatever you do here on earth will not be associated with you in heaven ? … this is very simple there is Spiritual realm and physical …. Who we are is the same in both Spiritual and Physical but we posses different attributes but still remain the same person.. The world needed a sacrificial lamb same as Abraham and God provides it…

        My question to you which it will help us get things straight… why did God provide the Ram to Abraham ? why cant the faith be enough since he doesn’t have any ram with him
        Why did Moses kill ram and sprinkle the blood in different verses in the bible? Why is the blood important ?

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      4. Donkey Larry, are you working on responding to me? Last time, you stalled for 2 weeks. Are you doing that again?

        You also didn’t respond to my point about the Ninevites. When they repented, God forgave them. They didn’t have to sacrifice anything. No shedding of blood was needed. And as Stew and Heath pointed out, in Hosea (you know, the prophet who was ordered by your god to commit adultery), repentance is emphasized, not blood atonement.

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      5. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        Still avoiding the point of why you worship Jesus(as) when you and I both agree he doesn’t have God’s attributes I see…

        1. “… so many verses in bible that shows sacrificing of animal…”

        Yes and that is not the ONLY way you blood god worshipping pagan. Using your logic Muslim from this verse:

        Those of you who would say such a thing to their wives, then go back on what they’ve said, are to free a slave before the two of them may touch each other again. This is what you’re being counseled, and God knows what you do. (58:3)

        Believe the ONLY way God will forgive their sins is to free slaves so the ultimate slave had to come and be freed. This is not the case it is a specific rule in a specific situation not general.

        2. “…there is something spiritual and important about shedding of blood…”

        So you admit the Daddy is no different from the volcano god that demands virgin sacrifices then?

        3. “…You didn’t ask any of those questions…”

        Yes, I did an act of worship no matter what it is only matters because God legislated it. For example:

        …The penalty for breaking your vows, consists of either feeding ten poor people with the food you would give your own family on an average day, providing them with clothing or freeing a slave. Those who cannot afford any of this, are too fast for three days. That is the atonement for breaking your vows. So follow through with your promises and take them seriously. God makes His lessons and revelations clear to you in this way so that you can be thankful. (5:89)

        Why do I have to feed 10 poor people, give them clothes or free a slave or fast 3 days as an atonement for breaking an oath? Why can’t I just repent? Because that is what God legislated that’s it. That’s the only reason charity, prayer, fasting, etc matter is because God legislated the act. The same applies to sacrifices (which we have rules for as well) Nothing to do with God needing to be satiated by blood. Even if I wanted to use your poor understanding of God being a “spiritual creature” what does He need worldly blood for?

        4. “…what is the different in Abraham’s case and Jesus’s case…”

        One was a show of piety while the other is paganism that makes no sense.

        5. “…hat’s why it sounds foolish to you…”

        No…it sounds foolish because it is.

        6. “…you don’t know if you have Spirit, body and soul..”

        And you don’t know this question stems from Greek and Egyptian paganism

        7. “…Like I said the whole world need to make a big sacrifice…”

        Says who? Show me anywhere in the Hebrew bible where God claimed this.

        8. “…its so simple but you have been told nonsense about Christianity that when you see truth you don’t even recognise it….”

        Lol unlike you I grew up around Christians and the majority of my family is. YOU are the one who knows nothing about his religion and haven’t even read the book you claim to believe in.

        9. “…sacrificial lamb he has to empty himself or else it will not be possible for him to become a sacrificial lamb..”

        So according to your beliefs, God can become stupid, then interesting… Anyways once God “emptied” Himself as you put it He’s no longer God as the attribues are fundamentally who God is. So you can no longer say your god is All-Knowing, All-Hearing, All-Seeing, and Indepedent.

        10 “…you say Jesus cant be God.. if Jesus could raise a dead person.. open a blind eyes.. cure leprosy and the fake one in Quran gave life to a clay bird, how come the Jews are able to do all they did to him if its not planned to be like that?…… how come they were able to threating him with all his powers?

        Because Jesus(as) is a human who can do nothing except by God’s leave? That’s like asking why did Moses(as) flee from the Pharaoh after turning water to blood, sending plagues and locusts. Also this would show the weakness of your god as he begged to be saved from the Jews:

        Going a little farther, He fell to the ground and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour would pass from Him. “Abba, Father,” He said, “all things are possible for You. Take this cup from Me. Yet not what I will, but what You will.” (Mark 14:35-36)

        So that means your god apparently didn’t know the plan and feared his creation in killing him.

        11. “…including catching him if you say they didn’t crucify him but at least they caught him and Allah swapped him with someone else according to Quran… ”

        As I’ve said before I don’t take this position of “switching” nor does the Quran ever say he(as) was caught.

        12. “…but giving life only God can do it….”

        Agreed hence it was a thing we call a “miracle” in this biz. If you use this argument then worship the prophet Elijah as well as he brought someone back to life (1 Kings 17: 17-24)

        13. John 18:36

        “John” ever being the odd man out in your fanfiction contradicts the Synoptics where Jesus(as) has the Disciples prepare to fight and protect him from the Jews (Luke 22:36-38)

        14. “Word is the same as Jesus… same way who you are here on earth does not posses the same attributes in Spiritual realm…”

        God is God no matter if He was in the Creation nor outside the creation. Your idol is weak and can be killed which contradicts the very attribute of God being the “Ever-Living”. You also like any pagan liken God to His creation when He is nothing like them.

        15. “why did God provide the Ram to Abraham ? why cant the faith be enough since he doesn’t have any ram with him…Why did Moses kill ram and sprinkle the blood in different verses in the bible? Why is the blood important ?”

        Because God can demand whatever he wants in His worship. He could order everybody to hop on one foot in the corner for an hour a day and it would be equivalnt to the ram sacrifice and blood sprinkle. God does what He wants when He wants.

        So to recap you have not only admitted Jesus(as) doesn’t have God’s attributes but you have also shown your God is limited (which is ironic as you call us that by saying He isn’t a part of His creation) by admitting anyone one of us can whoop His @$$ if He were to come on earth. This is what you left Islam for? Congradulations…

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      6. stewjo004

        PS

        As a shower thought as I thought about your nonsense of the Daddy becoming weaker by entering our realm (like the greek gods of old) I REALLY have no need to fear him because theoretically, I should be able to enter the Spiritual realm and could power up on some Dragon Ball Z type ish and defeat him there as well and take his place which judging from the tower of Babel story he clearly fears. 🤔🤔🤔

        PSS

        The tower of Babel’s story defeats your BS about the “Physical” and “Spiritual” realms because “the Daddy” wouldn’t have feared that the people wouldn’t have reached the heavens if he resided in the “spiritual” realm and was All-Powerful. Seriously great move worshipping this bronze age idol…

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      7. mr.heathcliff

        “Lol you said everything I typed I babble….I thought you were going to say there is nothing like Original Sin or you don’t believe in it… anyway if you read Leviticus you will see different types of sin and they all require sacrifice ”

        so lets see….god created blood and put power in blood to forgive sin? created thing has power to atone sins? you believe in blood magic ?

        “, Peace offering too and other offerings , ”

        what do peace offering and gratitude offering have to do with oriignal sin and sin?

        “Exodus 24:8 Moses sprinkled blood , Hebrews 9:19 and 9:21 Moses Sprinkled blood… so many verses in bible that shows sacrificing of animal and also Abraham situation with Isaac that you dodged which is in your Quran too ,God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac to test him when Abraham passed the test God provided him a ram to sacrifice, ”

        is this about sin or the ACT (WORKS ) of killing an animal?
        so ? yhwh in the old testament requires physical human works lol

        WHAT ABOUT poor farmers? does the bible say they can offer VEGETABLES to yhwh? yes.

        “Why cant God just say Abraham passed that’s enough but no God has to provide him a ram …”

        do you think it was for blood magic you pagan? what was provided was eatten.

        people been eating meat for thousands of yrs

        ” Looking at the different events in bible including 1 that Quran stole from bible its clear there is something spiritual and important about shedding of blood…”

        you pig, there is nothing “spiritual” if it were , yhwh would have said, EAT blood for eternal life…..he didnt say this because the chapter start of with what is FORBIDDEN TO EAT

        the torah never says sacrifices are “important”

        the animal which carries away sins is LET GO OFF FOR IT TO GO INTO THE WILDERNEss…

        no sacrifice

        NO SACRIFICE

        so tell me, how DOES THE sun COOKING THE scape goat effect atonement WHEN THERE IS NO ACT OF SHEDDING?

        “So like I said it was God that test Abraham and it was God that provided him with a ram….”

        GODS creation. this had nothing to do with sin. it just proved abrahams Confidence in God

        jesus the PAGAN said “father take this cup away from me….”

        abraham didnt beg GOD to save his son .

        see the difference ?

        “Muslim don’t have problem with that story for some reason I don’t understand…. You didn’t ask why is it not enough for God to say Abraham passed the test and that’s enough, why must God provide ram when Abraham has already show faith in God … ”

        lets think like a kafir like u
        it appears then ANIMAL HAS QUALITY over HUMAN therefore GOD provided an animal, not jebus.

        why has God provided animals for consumption ? why has God been providing animals for consumption for thousands of years? AND THE verse demonstrate you save human life…

        and you are a pagan kafir, back then it was about giving up that which was CLOSEST TO YOU, a sacrifice of an animal was symbolic for the good in man in the sense of having trust and confidence in God

        it WAS not about the pagan ritual blood magic and watching animal SUFFER

        faith had to be demonstrated by deed and torah says sacrificial act is a DEED. lol

        human works. human rituals.

        there is no pagan blood magic here.

        “You didn’t ask why does God need him to shed blood? ”

        dOCTORS have to shed blood when they are operating. WHERE DOES it say “need”
        police officers have to shed BLOOD when they are controlling violence.
        what are you talking about you dipshit ?

        “… is showing faith and obeying God not enough? ”

        if i show faith and don’t shed the life of a CRIMINAL who did adultery, how is that enough ?

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      8. mr.heathcliff

        IF I HAVE FAITH AND DONT SHED LIFE OF CRIMINAL WHO DID ADULTERY ,how is that enough? wink wink king david.

        “But when God gave the world his only son for sacrifice in other to take away our sin you have problem understanding it”

        no where in torah other HAVE guilt, repentance, or act of sacrifice for unintentional sins lol…

        YOU GOT TO DO IT YOURSELF .

        THIS IS WHY jebus GAY SELF ABUSE IS BULLSHIT!

        it is SEXUAL.” i want to HARM MY SELF because my god can’t forgive”

        you believe rapists RAPED poured into your god? rape RAPED jesus ?

        what ?

        “… what is the different in Abraham’s case and Jesus’s case… ”

        jesus cried like a little girl and COWARD while abraham was not like jesus

        “God provided ram for Abraham and He provides Jesus for the world ”

        lol, I could argue god provided ANIMALS FOR the world and the ACT OF sacrifice (the GIFTING OF THE DEED TO SACRIFICE) and jesus is USELESS redundant trash.

        GOD DONT NEED jesus to be merciful

        ABRAHAMS PROVISION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SIN OFFERING.

        “… also it was after Abraham sacrifice the ram he got blessed same thing it was after Jesus was crucified we got saved.. ”

        when did the torah law of sacrifice of animals for sins apply to gentile?

        ” Like I said before you don’t have any ideal of Spiritual activities ..that is why you don’t know if you have Spirit, body and soul.. ”

        ALL WILLED INTO EXISTENCE BY GOD

        “you believe you only have body and soul , you even contradicts yourself when you say things…you questioned why does God need Jesus to die for our sin,”

        if HE IS MERCIFUL AND FORGIVING, WHY HE NEED A PAGAN HUMAN SACRIFICE?
        imagine you are at the cross and drilling jesus and watching him suffer , you will say “the lord is merciful” ?

        “why cant God just forgive us as he has been doing but you didn’t question why is sacrificing ram so important to him that when Abraham don’t have ram he gave him one, ”

        THAT VERSE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FORGIVENESS u stupid moron.

        where you getting “so IMPORTANT” FROM?
        THE animal was a Godly gift AND abraham in RETURN performed an act.

        “and Like I said the whole world need to make a big sacrifice ”

        no, god so loved the world that he said the following :

        When you stretch out your hands,
        I will hide my eyes from you;
        even though you make many prayers,
        I will not listen;
        your hands are full of blood.
        16 Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean;
        remove the evil of your doings
        from before my eyes;
        cease to do evil,
        17 learn to do good;
        seek justice,
        rescue the oppressed,
        defend the orphan,
        plead for the widow.

        so you are a liar for jesus

        I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
        and the fat of fed beasts;
        I do not delight in the blood of bulls,
        or of lambs, or of goats.

        you think god is going to delight in some bs WORK free , guilt free crappy human sacrifice which is the cause of hate, BLOOD shedding and STENCH OF SIN FOR 2000 YEARS?

        “and we don’t have a ram that qualify to do it then God provides what we need in Jesus… ”

        NO, God provided NON-SACRIFICIAL systems in your own book you dumb retard.

        /////////////

        “Regarding Word and Jesus being the same and you said Jesus didn’t posses attributes of God… as I have explained before, in other for the WORD to become flesh to serve as a sacrificial lamb he has to empty himself or else it will not be possible for him to become a sacrificial lamb..”

        how can you be fully god and fully created @ the same time? you make no sense you moronic pig.

        what is a “lamb” without divine attributes? AN ANIMAL?

        AN EMPTY ANIMAL?

        ” If he didn’t empty himself who will be able to stand God?”

        your pagan god can’t veil his power like a lion goes easy on its offspring ?
        did the lion become a LAMB to go easy on its offspring ? you nob.

        “Who will be able to get close to God or threating God or even question God like Jews did?”

        the jews killed a created human you moronic pig. a HUMAN being. a HUMAN BEING

        human being is not GOD ALMIGHTY. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR think skulll

        ” I don’t know if you ever think about this before, you say Jesus cant be God.. if Jesus could raise a dead person.. open a blind eyes.. cure leprosy”

        read your gospels piglet , its not jesus DOING anything, it is FAITH.

        5 Now there was a woman who had been suffering from hemorrhages for twelve years. 26 She had endured much under many physicians, and had spent all that she had; and she was no better, but rather grew worse. 27 She had heard about Jesus, and came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak, 28 for she said, “If I but touch his clothes, I will be made well.” 29 Immediately her hemorrhage stopped; and she felt in her body that she was healed of her disease. 30 Immediately aware that power had gone forth from him, Jesus turned about in the crowd and said, “Who touched my clothes?” 31 And his disciples said to him, “You see the crowd pressing in on you; how can you say, ‘Who touched me?’” 32 He looked all around to see who had done it. 33 But the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came in fear and trembling, fell down before him, and told him the whole truth. 34 He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace, and be healed of your disease.”

        YOU SEE PIG?

        faith, not jeeebus. plus jeebus has a spirit in him which helps him out. he is DEPENDANT human

        a woman is able to deflower jesus’ power by FAITH AND jebus is UNKNOWING of it.

        in mark, if u have faith, u can MOVE MOUNTAINS……

        faith, not jeebus…

        ALLAH CAN WILL FOR THE MOON TO GIVE US LIFE, RAISE THE DEAD, CURE THE SICK…THIS IS EASY FOR ALLAH

        ALLAH CREATED THE GIANT BALL OF LIGHT CALLED THE SUN WHICH KEEP THE EARTH FROM PERISHING….should u now go worship the sun?

        ” and the fake one in Quran gave life to a clay bird,”

        how you know it is fake, pig ?

        ” how come the Jews are able to do all they did to him if its not planned to be like that? ”

        later christians werent happy that their god got caught off guard so….

        jews are able to deflower your god cause they are stronger than him…okams razor.

        “including catching him if you say they didn’t crucify him but at least they caught him and Allah swapped him with someone else according to Quran… how come they were able to threating him with all his powers ? ”

        oi, pig, because they didn’t see him as GOD, just like they didnt see the giant ball of light called the sun as GOD even though it keeps the earth from PERISHING.

        and they were STRONGER than your god

        BUT ALL YOUR BULLSHIT is beside the point

        if a PAGAN god man came to earth and didnt eat food or drink water, he would STILL BE DEPENDANT on things OUTSIDE of him.

        1. location
        2. body
        3. need to exist IN PLACE

        4. SPECIFICATION WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT EXIST

        HOW IS NECCESSARY ONE HAVE SPECIFICATIONS ?

        “I am sure taking life is very easy almost anyone can do it…but giving life only God can do it…”

        LOL, GOD CREATED HUMAN LIFE LOL

        U DUMB DIP shit

        YOUR pagan god died and press reset button , how he “gave life” ? lol

        “.how come he didn’t just destroy the Pharisees and other people giving him trouble?”

        because mark says that he WAS A pagan dependant human being ….he COULDNT destroy them, thats your pagan fantasy. READ mark

        “John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, ”

        they did fight ,he told them to BUY A SWORD and they used it lol. he didnt tell pilate that he told them to buy a sword lol

        the thing is jesus COULDNT fight.

        and john 18:36 is bs, when jews are in the house, he is AFRAID to go there
        read john, he avoid DANGEROUS PLACES in john lol

        “so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here… If he didn’t empty himself its obvious he will not be able to fulfil what he came to do and its important just the way other sacrifice especially the Abraham’s one”

        an empty god and god are two DIFFERENT gods you pagan filth.

        your bullshit IS OBFUSCATION

        GOD IS NOT A MAN

        UNDYING IS NOT MORTAL HUMAN LIFE…

        humans are POWERLESS and are taken over by powers outsdie of themselves, GOD is absolute in Himself.

        this is how we tell god apart from powerful human kings.

        “Word is the same as Jesus, same way who you are here on earth does not posses the same attributes in Spiritual realm or do you posses same attribute in Spiritual realm? ”

        it doesnt matter, LETS SAY i do or i don’t. i may FAIL TO EXIST AS Y OR NOT
        I MAY FAIL TO EXIST AS Z OR NOT

        GOD DOES NOT FAIL AS GOD

        GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK PAGAN BRAIN

        “And doesn’t make who you are in spiritual realm different from who you are on earth ..”

        YOU ARE CREATED AND MAY FAIL TO EXIST AS Y OR MAY NOT

        THIS DOES NOT APPLY ON GOD WHO BRINGS YOUR MODIFICATIONS INTO EXISTANCE. NO POWER MODIFIES GOD. YET HE AT WILL IS ABLE TO MODIFY.

        IF GOD GETS MODIFIED, WHO MODIFIED HIM , HIMSELF? THAN THERE IS A HIMSELF OF GOD GREATER THAN ANOTHER HIMSELF OF HIMSELF LOL ?

        YOU DO SEE THAT THEN THIS COULD BE INFINITE REGRESS LOL

        DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF GOD.

        GOD IS BEGININGLESS

        a being with a begining is DEPENDANT on beginingless one, so you have a god who has a BEGININGLESS GOD

        ” If your name is Stew here on earth in spiritual realm if you are not Stew you will definitely be attached to Stew not someone else.. ”

        he will b e effected by FORCES OUTSide of him, he will FAIL TO EXIST as x and exist as y BY THE WILL OF GOD.

        “or whatever you do here on earth will not be associated with you in heaven ? … this is very simple there is Spiritual realm and physical …. Who we are is the same in both Spiritual and Physical but we posses different attributes but still remain the same person.. ”

        LOL, you destroyed yourself not even REALISING

        here we have a pagan who said that the divine person is being TAKEN over by FORCES outside of himself ……in other words DIVINE person is getting TEMPTED by satan LOL

        “The world needed a sacrificial lamb same as Abraham and God provides it…”

        abraham did not know the pagan “sacrificial lamb” of christianity

        “My question to you which it will help us get things straight… why did God provide the Ram to Abraham ? why cant the faith be enough since he doesn’t have any ram with him
        Why did Moses kill ram and sprinkle the blood in different verses in the bible? Why is the blood important ?”

        bloodi parrot

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      9. Larry

        I didn’t ignore your message I have been so busy that’s why I am just replying now. Please if you want to respond to my messages click on reply its easy for me to see your response when you do that

        STEW Still avoiding the point of why you worship Jesus(as) when you and I both agree he doesn’t have God’s attributes I see…

        I didn’t not agree with you He doesn’t have God’s attributes … I explained in a way Muslims see it and like I said before and always Jesus is God. I explained why he took on flesh and why he empty himself but still remain the Word
        Your problem is you don’t have any understand of spiritual realm… I tried to explain to you that you and your soul are the same, it doesn’t matter if your body eat and drink but your soul doesn’t both are still STEW same goes for Jesus and the Word both are still God no matter what.. if you can prove to me now that your soul and body are not the same then I will agree with you but if you cant why didn’t you agree with me in the case of Jesus…

        Let me show you more reasons why Muslims don’t even understand what they say … When Muslims say Allah send Angel Gabriel to Mohamed, I believe they meant Allah sent him from heaven to the earth.. So when Allah was speaking to Gabriel in heaven does Gabriel has ears, mouth , nose, etc? or only when He appear here on earth he posses those attributes …. If you believe they have body in heaven, What sort of body do they have ? Spiritual or Physical ? Since you claimed you are studying to be a Scholar let us hear your answer maybe we can get somewhere to How Jesus is God

        STEW Yes and that is not the ONLY way you blood god worshipping pagan. Using your logic Muslim from this verse:
        Those of you who would say such a thing to their wives, then go back on what they’ve said, are to free a slave before the two of them may touch each other again. This is what you’re being counseled, and God knows what you do. (58:3)
        Believe the ONLY way God will forgive their sins is to free slaves so the ultimate slave had to come and be freed. This is not the case it is a specific rule in a specific situation not general.

        You are very funny before you said Some sins require you go out and do extra now you said This is not the case it is a specific rule in a specific situation not general… When you say some sins that means you are not generalising it so you saying rule in a specific situation not general you are just repeating yourself… Let me explain again maybe you will understand now… Before when you said some sins require you go out and do extra in other for God to forgive you I told you that’s exactly what God did in the case of Jesus dying for our sins…. He did extra by giving us his only son… Jesus is the EXTRA…. Now you said specific rule in a specific situation not general… like you said that scenario you to free a slave then God will forgive you for that particular sin now I am telling you again by killing Jesus on the cross … God generalise it as the way our sins will be forgiven …. As you know God determines what and what needs to be done in other for our sins to be forgiving …..

        Let me try and explain something you are missing …. When you say by doing certain things by the command of God that’s the way certain sins will be forgiving .. for example if you require a ram, or fasting or freeing slave etc whatever you need for this certain sins to be forgiving is giving to you by God, you don’t own it… everything we have is giving to us by God including your SALARY…. You need strength to fast, God gives strength …You need ram God create Ram.. You need to free Slave God create slave so there is nothing you give to God that belongs to you everything that you give to him belongs to him first… God only wants our obedience and faith in Him… the same way God gave us Jesus in other to take away our sins, if God didn’t give Jesus to us we are not able to do a thing to Jesus. So when Muslims say how can this and that happen to Jesus and we still call him God, its because everything that happen to him is the will of God not by our power… So the only thing God requires Us to do is to believe in Jesus and our sins will be forgiving that’s all.. Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb that God gave us … There is only 1 Jesus not billions like animals and there is only 1 person that is worthy of taking away the sins of all the world and that person is Jesus… since there is only 1 Jesus and billions of us and God wants our sins to be forgiving by killing Jesus which
        It will be impossible for each and everyone of us to kill Jesus every time we need God to forgive us, What did God do He requires us to just believe in that sacrifice then we don’t need other sacrifice again… All he needs is our Obedience and Faith…. He doesn’t eat the ram nor does he drink the blood its our Obedience and Faith.

        STEW So you admit the Daddy is no different from the volcano god that demands virgin sacrifices then?

        If you read this over and over again you will see how you are wrong … volcano god or whatever god that you say require blood, where do you think they got it from? When people do magic or voodoo or some sort of spiritual things that is not of God where do you think they got it from? If you truly believe all power belongs to God…. Can a man give himself power or create power? This gods you are talking about tapped into spiritual realms and manipulate things they see… They know there is a mystery behind blood and who create blood and the mystery ? God…. So to answer you question God cant be like volcano god….its volcano god that wants to be like God by asking for blood… Hebrews 9:22
        And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission. This verse shows there is a mystery behind shedding of blood…

        Why do I have to feed 10 poor people, give them clothes or free a slave or fast 3 days as an atonement for breaking an oath? Why can’t I just repent? Because that is what God legislated that’s it. That’s the only reason charity, prayer, fasting, etc matter is because God legislated the act. The same applies to sacrifices (which we have rules for as well) Nothing to do with God needing to be satiated by blood. Even if I wanted to use your poor understanding of God being a “spiritual creature” what does He need worldly blood for?

        Like I said before God doesn’t need anything from us because we don’t own anything…. God owns everything the only thing he wants from us is Obedience and Faith out of our own free will.. So if he says kill Ram its not that He wants to eat the meat but he wants your Obedience and Faith out of our own free will but with the blood I have explained there is a mystery behind it a spiritual thing… I gave you a good example about Abraham and Isaac.. After Abraham showed Obedience and Faith.. God provides him with Ram and it was after he sacrifice the ram God said this in Genesis 22:15-18
        Then the Angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, 16 and said: “By Myself I have sworn, says the LORD, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— 17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.

        STEW One was a show of piety while the other is paganism that makes no sense

        Like I have explained above God cant practice paganism same way God don’t do magic.

        LARRY …Like I said the whole world need to make a big sacrifice…”
        STEW Says who? Show me anywhere in the Hebrew bible where God claimed this

        Funny guy I never claimed its written in the bible like that… I was just explain it to you according to your example that some sins require you do extra…God is the one that decides what he want from us.. with the examples you gave in the Quran you believe it was God that says people should free slave or fast… So that goes to show we don’t choose what we do for our sins to be forgiving … same way God decides Jesus should die for our sins and all we need to do is believe and have faith .

        STEW Going a little farther, He fell to the ground and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour would pass from Him. “Abba, Father,” He said, “all things are possible for You. Take this cup from Me. Yet not what I will, but what You will.” (Mark 14:35-36)
        So that means your god apparently didn’t know the plan and feared his creation in killing him.

        Its very funny how Muslims read and interpret … You use your own hand to type Yet not what I will, but what You will.. If Jesus want his will to be done Jews will not be able to do anything to him.. It very simple everything that happened to him only happened because Jesus wants the will of God to happen not his will and again that’s because he took on flesh because when human beings are going through tough period our flesh complains.

        STEW As I’ve said before I don’t take this position of “switching” nor does the Quran ever say he(as) was caught.

        What did Quran says then?… I know there is day that crucifixion happened to someone .. Bible recorded it as Jesus Quran recorded as someone else… So tell me what Quran say about that day… what makes people to think the person crucified is Jesus and Quran says it wasn’t Jesus…. For crucifixion to happen a person must be taking to the cross and nailed to cross … so for Jews and Christians to believe Jesus was crucified they must have seen him taking to cross and nailed to cross… Please and please explain what Quran say since you don’t believe Jesus was taking nor switched …

        STEW John” ever being the odd man out in your fanfiction contradicts the Synoptics where Jesus(as) has the Disciples prepare to fight and protect him from the Jews (Luke 22:36-38)

        Lol you really mean Jesus want his disciples to protect him with just 2 swords …you are funny… anyway he was speaking in parables that’s all I can say

        STEW Because God can demand whatever he wants in His worship. He could order everybody to hop on one foot in the corner for an hour a day and it would be equivalent to the ram sacrifice and blood sprinkle. God does what He wants when He wants.

        If truly believe God does what He wants then its very simple He wants you to believe in Jesus it is equivalent to whatever sacrifice you were used to…Lol very simple

        In conclusion I have explained why Jesus is God and why he came as a sacrificial lamb the problem is even if what I said make sense you still will not believe it because Mohamed told you not to.. so what do you do? If you think it make sense ? because you are only saying it doesn’t make sense because you believe bible is fake… a story can make sense but not true if that happens, what we need to do is find out if its true or not .

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      10. stewjo004

        “I didn’t not agree with you He doesn’t have God’s attributes …”

        Okay cool then you agree Jesus(as) is not God so what are we discussing?

        “Your problem is you don’t have any understand of spiritual realm…

        And your problem is you are promoting a heresy as Christianity does NOT teach this.

        if you can prove to me now that your soul and body are not the same

        Sure…if you cut off a piece of your finger you don’t “lose” a part of your soul. This is why your body is called as a witness on the day of judgement

        when Allah was speaking to Gabriel in heaven does Gabriel has ears, mouth , nose, etc? or only when He appear here on earth he posses those attributes …. If you believe they have body in heaven, What sort of body do they have ?

        The asker knows as much as the asked. God knows best.

        I am telling you again by killing Jesus on the cross … God generalise it as the way our sins will be forgiven …. As you know God determines what and what needs to be done in other for our sins to be forgiving …..

        Except…THERE IS NO PRECEDENT FOR THIS IN THE ENTIRETY OF HUMAN EXISTENCE. It is also contradictory because you acknowledge people got to heaven before Jesus (as) so that clearly demonstrates no “sacrifice” was needed to get into heaven. There is simply no way to justify your idolatry.

        because everything that happen to him is the will of God not by our power…

        You just said the “will of God” meaning you subconsciously acknowledge he (as) is not God. For example, if I get into a car accident I don’t go around calling the other car “God” even though the wreck was the will of God.

        only 1 Jesus not billions like animals and there is only 1 person that is worthy of taking away the sins

        Says who? Your mangod sinned multiple times and broke his own rules.

        All he needs is our Obedience and Faith….

        Agreed. Soon why do I need to worship a man idol to do this?

        If you read this over and over again you will see how you are wrong …

        I don’t see how. You believe there is a “mystery in the blood” so what is the difference between the Daddy and the Aztec idols other than names? Also you said: “its volcano god that wants to be like God by asking for blood…’
        How did you come to that conclusion? Their idols came before your bloodthirsty idol.

        there is a mystery behind it a spiritual thing…

        You can try to throw as much fortune cookie BS around as you want but using YOUR definition:

        Daddy the “spiritual” creature wants “worldly” blood for whatever reason.

        God cant practice paganism same way God don’t do magic.

        Agreed so we can discount both your idols for doing both. Your worship practically 2 while claiming 3 and require blood sacrifice like Baal.

        LARRY …Like I said the whole world need to make a big sacrifice… I never claimed its written in the bible like that

        Oh good we both agree this is found no where then and can throw it out. 🤷‍♂️Moving on…

        same way God decides Jesus should die for our sins and all we need to do is believe and have faith .

        You already conceded God does not legislate paganism.

        Its very funny how Muslims read and interpret …

        Like how your scholarship says?

        You use your own hand to type Yet not what I will, but what You will..If Jesus want his will to be done Jews will not be able to do anything to him..

        Thank you. You wrote before:

        “…how come the Jews are able to do all they did to him if its not planned to be like that?…

        And now you are saying Jesus (as) did NOT want to be harmed thus going against God’s (who you say he is) plan. So as I said before your idol apparently didn’t know the elaborate scheme.

        What did Quran says then?

        Oh easy. I was going to save this for CruciFICTION pt 4 but I take the reading you all made up a bunch of stories (such as the crucifixion)and confused yourselves About what actually happened. I believe as the Quran says that an assassination attempt happened (not necessarily a crucifixion) and he was taken up to heaven (aka “assumption” or “was assumed”)

        Lol you really mean Jesus want his disciples to protect him with just 2 swords …you are funny… anyway he was speaking in parables that’s all I can say

        You can say whatever you want just read the passage they say: “Here are 2 swords!” This was a spur of the moment thing and he is clearly preparing a defense.

        He wants you to believe in Jesus it is equivalent to whatever sacrifice you were used to…

        Except you have conceded He does not legislate paganism…very simple indeed.

        In conclusion I have explained why Jesus is God
        No you haven’t you’ve only compounded your issues

        the problem is even if what I said make sense you still will not believe it because Mohamed told you not to..

        Lol no I wouldn’t believe your nonsense even if I wasn’t a Muslim. The only reason I believe Jesus(as) is even a prophet is based SOLELY on Islam not your text.

        you are only saying it doesn’t make sense because you believe bible is fake…
        No. I’m saying it doesn’t make sense because it doesn’t make sense se and am not retarded enough to follow such potholes

        what we need to do is find out if its true or not .
        Sure And what do you propose other than voices? Your text historical errors? False prophecies? Textual history and known editing? Please tell me what you think we should use as criteria to verify it.

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      11. Larry

        Please if you want to respond to this and disagree with whatever I say please explain reason you disagree … all you have been doing is running away from being exposed … There is nothing wrong if you don’t know or have answer to my message … you don’t have to be pretending as if you know it all… You hide behind the laptop since have called you out on so many things you said that doesn’t make sense …. .. you don’t explain yourself anymore when you don’t know the answer in other for people not to see that you don’t know what you claimed to know. You just disagree without explaining why.. If you truly you don’t understand a question because of my English ask me to re write it.. There is no point in Showing off to people here on forum … God knows our heart and we are suppose to be doing this for God not for showing off … Please you and anyone else that want to respond to this explain yourself don’t just hide behind laptop if you don’t know what to say because you don’t have understanding, Just say so don’t lie or pretend.

        LARRY I am telling you again by killing Jesus on the cross … God generalise it as the way our sins will be forgiven …. As you know God determines what and what needs to be done in other for our sins to be forgiving
        STEW Except…THERE IS NO PRECEDENT FOR THIS IN THE ENTIRETY OF HUMAN EXISTENCE. It is also contradictory because you acknowledge people got to heaven before Jesus (as) so that clearly demonstrates no “sacrifice” was needed to get into heaven. There is simply no way to justify your idolatry.

        I hope you are being honest with your statement, because I cant believe what you just said … You are saying THERE IS NO PRECEDENT FOR THIS IN THE ENTIRETY OF HUMAN EXISTENCE.
        Show me precedent for God’s covenant with Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3 , Are you saying God has made a covenant like that before with someone else?…

        Show me precedent for God creating Adam in Genesis 2:7 …Seriously I don’t know how can someone like you with all the knowledge you have say a thing like that…To me you are just finding any means to be right ..it doesn’t matter to you if you say things that is not true …

        I explained to you why God did what He did all you have to say about it is there no example like that before, even if that is true can God not start with someone???
        Anyway God didn’t order Jews to kill Jesus nor did he force them to do what they didn’t want to do…. He already knew what they will do to Jesus and already knew he will use it as a way of generalising the way our sins will be forgiving … God knows everything before it happens.. What Jews did to Jesus is on them….

        You think when Christians say God gave us his son we meant he commands us to kill his son for sacrifice …NO… what we meant is God knew what will happen to his Son before he came to us and He still allowed it because He loved us… You are twisting it as if God said sacrifice my son …. When God send John the Baptist to warn people does He not know John will be killed? Why didn’t you think God want John to be sacrifice that’s why He sent him…The way Muslim think is so funny to be honest… When it comes to Jesus you are never honest with the way you think and things you say…. When Hitler is killing Jews… You never question why God create Hitler… You never say God wants human sacrifice that’s why he made Hitler… You never call God pagan … Have you ever thought why bible say Judas was wrong to do what he did? If by your theory of God demanding human sacrifice .. why is Judas and Jews are guilty of killing Jesus since that’s what God commands them to do…… If when Jesus came into the world people change and accept him and not crucify him maybe things would have been different ….

        God gave us free will and its up to what we use it for even though God knew what we will use our free will to do… There is no where God says kill my son before I can forgive your sins…. We are just honest and grateful people that love God and appreciate what He did for us unlike people that don’t believe …..We didn’t know all this before until Jesus died on the cross.. Now that we know we can/t pretend as if we don’t know and that’s why when Christian talk we talk as if we already knew before it happened because we Understand it now…..
        In your Quran Allah requires you to do certain things in other for certain sins to be forgiving … Allah Decides what needs to be done and also gave you things you need to use… why do you believe this and you don’t believe God gave us Jesus….. do you think the ram that you kill or money you use to atone your sin are yours? Is that why you think by God giving us Jesus it means Human sacrifice ?

        STEW It is also contradictory because you acknowledge people got to heaven before Jesus (as) so that clearly demonstrates no “sacrifice” was needed to get into heaven. There is simply no way to justify your idolatry.
        People that goes to heaven before Jesus will be judge according to the law that was giving during the time they were alive… Its like saying people that didn’t offer sin offering before Moses’s time will not go to heaven or lets pretend Quran is real …what will happen to people that didn’t follow Mohamed’s teachings and laws… Surely you know God will only judge people according to the law that was giving them when they were alive.. New Law is to believe in Jesus there is no contradiction from my side you are the one contradicting yourself … The only thing here is disobedient and lack of faith

        Lets do this… Don’t run from these questions as you always do
        All the things that Allah requires in Quran for atonement for certain sin , do you owns them or Allah owns them?
        Is there anywhere in bible that says God told Jews or anyone to Kill Jesus before the sin of the world can be forgiving
        If a man just pray for forgiveness and didn’t free slave according to Quran 58:3 will he be forgiving or will have to free slave before he can be forgiving

        What did Quran says then?
        Oh easy. I was going to save this for CruciFICTION pt 4 but I take the reading you all made up a bunch of stories (such as the crucifixion)and confused yourselves About what actually happened. I believe as the Quran says that an assassination attempt happened (not necessarily a crucifixion) and he was taken up to heaven (aka “assumption” or “was assumed”)

        It will be nice that you put your reference next time so that people can see you are not lying about Quran and also that I don’t assume…I still don’t understand how you think for real… Why do you hate truth so much ? you Understand English so much and you deny truth when you read Quran in English that no one needs to interpret for you … I am not sure how good you are in Arabic but for sure I know you understand English so well.. How in the world will you say whoever that think they killed Jesus didn’t see Crucifixion happened even though Quran talks about it that Allah made it appear to them ..

        Quran 4:157
        That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not

        And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

        And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger – they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

        3 different interpretations … All agreed that they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them…. What does “was made to appear to them” mean? According to Quran who ever that Quran is referring to in this verse… Jews, Romans or whoever … They think they kill Jesus by crucifying him, but they didn’t do any of that Allah made it to appear to them like they did… Because of what Allah did they assumed they have killed Jesus by crucifixion …
        Why are you trying to deny that Jews and Romans or Whoever that thinks they kill Jesus see him being Crucify? Quran clearly state they see what Allah made to appear to them, which is killing Jesus by crucifixion so they must have seen it happen …. I am not arguing if the crucifixion happen for real or not…. All I want to confirm from you is … Whoever thinks Jesus was killed by crucifixion , would have seen it happened but whatever they saw is not real, Allah made it appear as if it was real According to Quran? Am I right ?

        Sure And what do you propose other than voices? Your text historical errors? False prophecies? Textual history and known editing? Please tell me what you think we should use as criteria to verify it.
        I have answered this before but lets us finalise what we are talking about first then I will explain again

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      12. stewjo004

        1. “Please if you want to respond to this and disagree with whatever I say please explain reason you disagree…”

        I do which is why everyone agrees with me and not you

        2. “…You hide behind the laptop…”

        Lol, ain’t nobody scared of you. You can pick a time and place anywhere in Cleveland, Ohio to meet up if you feel some type of way.

        3. “…you don’t explain yourself anymore…”
        Because you usually say the same dumb@$$ answer that doesn’t defeat my point. Like for example your idol not knowing his own game plan.

        4. “…we are suppose to be doing this for God not for showing off …”

        Not saying I disagree but who am I showing off to? I know everybody here, they ain’t nobody special that I have to impress. But keep playing the victim card to make yourself feel better.

        5. “…I explained to you why God did what He did all you have to say about it is there no example like that before…”

        That is evidence hence why it’s called “precedent” in law. I find it ironic in your desperation to compensate for your lack of knowledge you claim others don’t have it while time and time demonstrating your complete incompetence, both the Bible and Quran agree God does not change:

        “For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed. (Malachi 3:6)

        “This is the way of those I’ve sent before, and you will find no change in My ways.’ (Q. 17:77)

        When you try to equate Jesus(as) to lamb sacrifices you are trying to create a precedent dumb@$$. The problem is you are trying to make an analogy of your man idol with a legal penalty when its faulty and out of it’s context

        6. “…You think when Christians say God gave us his son we meant he commands us to kill his son for sacrifice…”

        Never argued this. Red herring.

        7. “…You never call God pagan…”

        I didn’t call God a pagan I called your bloodthirsty idol called “the Daddy” a pagan. I will say again , Daddy the “spiritual” creature wants “worldly” blood for whatever reason like the Aztec idols. All of your guys’ kufr is one religion.

        8. “…What Jews did to Jesus is on them….”

        What the heck are you talking about lol? I showed your man idol prayed (to himself according to your theology) that did not want to die for your sins despite allegedly being the Creator and this was his master plan.

        9 “…why is Judas and Jews are guilty of killing Jesus since that’s what God commands them to do…”

        I agree 🤷

        10. “…We are just honest and grateful people that love God and appreciate what He did for us unlike people that don’t believe …”

        First off you DON’T believe either. Next you are known liars and ungrateful to God hence why you give the worship that belongs to His ALONE to ignorant man idols.

        11. “…We didn’t know all this before until Jesus died on the cross..”

        Says…who? The Torah already said all this LONG before Jesus(as)

        12. “…why do you believe this and you don’t believe God gave us Jesus…”

        Because…God doesn’t legislate paganism. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Here I’m gonna try in Yoruban and see if this helps your comprehension:

        “Ọlọrun ko ṣe ofin Paganism”

        13. “Is that why you think by God giving us Jesus it means Human sacrifice ?”

        As much as it is that as well, I am referring to your idols obsession with blood period.

        14. “…People that goes to heaven before Jesus will be judge according to the law that was giving during the time they were alive…”

        Thank you for disproving Christianity as you just conceded one does NOT need to believe in Jesus’s (as) “sacrifice” to get into heaven.

        15. ‘…lets pretend Quran is real …”

        It is.

        16. “…what will happen to people that didn’t follow Mohamed’s teachings and laws…Surely you know God will only judge people according to the law that was giving them when they were alive”

        Unlike your claim we actually have textual proof for this. Prove what you said about previous people from the Bible.

        17. “…All the things that Allah requires in Quran for atonement for certain sin , do you owns them or Allah owns them? Is there anywhere in bible that says God told Jews or anyone to Kill Jesus before the sin of the world can be forgiving. If a man just pray for forgiveness and didn’t free slave according to Quran 58:3 will he be forgiving or will have to free slave before he can be forgiving”

        You have ownership but everything at the end of the day belongs to God. I never argued this and fail to see the point being made. And finally it’s up to God to decide that. Wow this sure seems like an unnecessary distraction of you admitting your man idol doesn’t have God’s attributes? 🤔

        18. “…It will be nice that you put your reference next time”

        You already quoted it before why do I need to if we both know what’s being referred to?

        19. “What does “was made to appear to them” mean?”

        How about stopping here next time instead of rambling? To answer now, how you Larry are reading the verse is as follows (not I’m adding parentheses to assist with interpretation)

        And (also the Jews) bragging: “We killed ‘the Messiah’ Jesus, the son of Mary, God’s ‘Messenger’.” They neither killed nor crucified him, it was only made to appear that way (through an illusion) to them. Those who argue over it are full of doubts, and they have no definite knowledge to follow, only guesses and assumptions; but they were not certain if they killed him, rather God raised him up towards Himself. God has always been the Ultimate Authority and the Source of Wisdom. (4:157-158)

        How I and scholars such as Razi and Zamakshari read it is as follows:

        And (also the Jews) bragging: “We killed ‘the Messiah’ Jesus, the son of Mary, God’s ‘Messenger’.” They neither killed nor crucified him, it was only made to appear that way to them (through the stories they told and spread). Those who argue over it are full of doubts, and they have no definite knowledge to follow (because of the things they made things up), only guesses and assumptions; but they were not certain if they killed him, rather God raised him up towards Himself. God has always been the Ultimate Authority and the Source of Wisdom. (4:157-158)

        This reading cleans up a bunch of issues and makes more sense in the context of the verse. There are NO sources or eyewitnesses to this alleged event. Either “Mark” or Paul (your earliest source) made this story up and the other 3 “gospels” copied and added to it. This explains why it’s missing from “Q”, the gospel of Thomas and early christianity never emphasizing it.

        20. “…I have answered this before but lets us finalise what we are talking about first then I will explain again”

        Sure. What criteria should we use to quote:

        “… find out if its true or not .”

        Floors yours.

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      13. “There is no point in Showing off to people here on forum … God knows our heart and we are suppose to be doing this for God not for showing off …”

        Seriously it’s pretty yucky that it’s coming from you…how many times you gonna repeat that? Even if any of us shows off then cope and seethe, that doesn’t make your arguments any better…and it’s pretty ironic you’re talking about “hiding behind a laptop” (btw I’m pretty sure he’s got a gaming PC judging from how I know him) when you intentionally ignored my refutations in the past only to end up repeating your nonsense again and then claim (or lie) that nobody is trying to address your points

        Virtue signaling doesn’t look nice from a hypocrite with low IQ…

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    4. Vaqas Rehman

      @Larry

      “That’s why when Jesus came into the world he has to give up his divine privileges in other for him to be Human not God.”

      Human not God?! Larry do you believe he was not also 100% god on earth during the incarnation?

      “I really don’t know why you think God doesn’t have the power to do all this things bible says.. do you really believe God doesn’t have the power to do it or what?…”

      I see this come up a lot by Christians so let me make this clear, contradictions and logical absurdities are not “things.” When we say God can do anything the “thing” is referring to possibilities even the the miraculous or the unlikely. But hypothetical scenarios or objects that by their very natures imply contradiction do not count because that would be ridiculous. For example the off repeated nonsense question by atheists and the like who ask “can God create a boulder so heavy that EVEN HE can’t lift it?!”

      To us you’re concept of a “god-man” “dying” for the sins of the world is no different that silly question.

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      1. stewjo004

        @ Larry

        Oh, quick question, how does it feel to now be a kaffir in Islam AND Christianity? That’s basically over 2/3rd of the world calling you, it. That’s quite an accomplishment.

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        After doing a bit of research on ehrmans forum, it appears to me that prostitution was NOT rampant in hoseas time. The problem is with spiritual prostituion and performing spiritual adultery with other gods.

        So yhwh commads hosea to marry a prostitute who for sure will continue in her promiscuous ways even AFTER marriage and hosea would have to know that yhwh is telling him to marry PROMISCUOUS WOMAN in order for yhwh to get his POINT across about SPIRITUAL idolatry …lol

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      3. mr.heathcliff

        1. izrael is performing spiritual idolatry of faithlessness and disloyalty

        2. hosea marries hooker who is faithless and disloyal

        3. yhwh is telling hosea to be involved in and marry into faithless and disloyal relationship

        4. it is guaranteed that her disloyality will come about

        5. The law says to punish the infidelity of woman.

        6. Church fathers have said that lying for the benefit of community is good thing

        7. hosea could be a slut for hookers but loves izrael so much that :

        – he get his enjoymemt with hooker
        – at same time he demonstrates why being involved in hooker relationship is like idolatry

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    5. mr.heathcliff

      Quote:
      C. “If you die as a Muslim before judgement day , are you waiting as human being or as a spirit ?

      How many versions of yhwh exist?
      Does yhwh exist as an atom? as a human? as a spirit? how about exist as moon like moon god?
      is my spirit created or uncreated? how does i having different experiences in different MODES implies that the ABSOLUTE uncreated God is taken OVER.by different MODES of existence?

      why are’nt you a hindu?

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    6. mr.heathcliff

      God creating a system where life is taken is completely different from a god unable to forgive and planning his own execution .

      God has demonstrated that He can destroy sin without having to punish anyone in the ot.

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    7. mr.heathcliff

      If ur pagan god is “all-powerful” he can create exception to rules, yet here u are asking questions insinuating why yhwh just like the pagan gods before him cannot forgive without human sacrifice.
      Why all ur questions insinuating that yhwh is a BLOOD god who need BLOOD shedding for forgiveness?

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    8. mr.heathcliff

      “With everything you said it shows you are not sure of what you are saying or don’t know what you are saying that’s why you don’t understand why Jesus can die for our sin …. You agreed Allah knew you as a soul before you became flesh,, why cant Word exist before he became Jesus but you can…”

      WHAT has Gods knowledge of x existing as y or z GOT TO do with God becoming y or z?

      “.who you are as a flesh is different from who you are as a soul…. One has flesh, blood etc the other doesn’t .. same way for Word to be come flesh He cant have all the same attributes he has as Word ….”

      not only have you become a pagan , but you doubled gods essence

      divine and human.
      how arent you a pagan? what do you call a god who has human attributes ?
      in your case your god is literally an empty god.

      “Your soul is in spiritual realm and your body is the physical world … ”

      God has dominion over all planes of existence you stupid moron.
      I am His created creature and all dimensions are under His power and authority.
      your god HAS a God over him

      “Word is in the spiritual realm and Jesus physical world ….”

      so physical world trumps your god and strips him ? in other words, your pathetic god is limited to “spiritual realm”

      a b

      larrys pagan god is trumped by b

      ” Why is possible for you but not possible for the maker of all things”

      he is MAKER, maker dont get MADE and taken over by WHAT HE MADE, otherwise god is no different than u and i.

      you tell god apart from creature because he is

      1. beginingless
      2. immortal
      3. uncreated.
      4. has power over everything
      ###

      your god has BEGINING in him, see the difference dumb crister?

      ” ….again you said Some sins require to you go out and do extra but you don’t think Jesus dying for our sin is him doing extra ”

      in torah the sinner is to

      1. look after the animal. 2. offer expensive animal. do extra by feeling guiltt and repenting, NO BODY ELSE can do it for you, let me destroy you further

      jesus “dying for sins” is ABSOLUTE nonsense bs from torah perspective when the SINNER IS TASKED to go out and do extra.

      you dont tell jesus to offer an animal , REPENT, PRAY and have contrite heart, you got to do it yourself.

      yhwh tasks u with this.

      “since you believe some sins require doing extra? According to bible Jesus came to die for the sins of the world ”

      complete and utter redundant bullshit from torah perspective. yhwh TASKS u to do your bit. sacrifices go to yhwh , yhwh dont do sacrifices in torah u moronic pig.

      your gods dying is a self appeasing ritual to cool him off like self masturbation through cutting oneself.

      <<<>>>>>

      “the way I see this it will require doing extra to take away the sin of the whole world ….”

      your god cannot take on the form of a bull , but gave jews useless instructions like killing bulls?

      “That’s exactly why God did the extra by sending his son John 3:16 For this is how God loved the world: He gave[ his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life…. ”

      RESPONSE :
      GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE FORGAVE ADAM THAT SOWHOEVER REPENT SHALL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE

      RESPONSE 2:
      GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS INSTRUCTIONS THAT SO WHOEVER DO THEIR BEST TO DO THEM SHALL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE

      if your god can creation exception to bulls, he can create other exceptions

      quote:

      Yeah, Hosea 6:6 is another such statement. It’s a similar phrase to one used a couple other times. It would have been a perfectly fine verse to mention. I used 14:2 because my quotation from Psalms says near enough the same thing as 6:6, while 14:2 is a directive given to Israelites unable to go to the Temple where Hosea describes prayer as being like sacrificial bulls of the lips. I really like the quote.

      A theme throughout the Prophets is that the physical acts of worship do not themselves have value if not accompanied by internal intentions. A sacrifice without any internal meaning is worthless. This doesn’t mean sacrifices ought not be given; they ought be given with the right mentality. However for those unable to give a sacrifice, they should know that this does not stand as an obstacle between them and repentance. All they need do is open their mouths and offer the sacrifice of their lips.

      yhwh tasked u do go extra, when did he tell jesus to do anything ?

      no jesus found in prophets or torah

      “You already answered your own question …. There is nothing anyone of us can do that cant be extra in other to take away the sin of the world….”

      thats not what yhwh says :

      This flatly contradicts God’s own teachings, that we are supremely in command of our spiritual destiny through our actions. See Genesis 4:7; Deuteronomy 30: 11-14, 19-20; Ezekiel Chapters 18 and 33. Also Psalms 145:18.

      GOD “take away the sin” through CREATING RESPENTANCE, OBEDIANCE IN THE THE DEEDS AND HEARTS OF MEN

      u have been destroyed by your own torah

      “Even if there is it will require the whole world to agree and do it together,”

      so agreement would force us to an agreement, what happen to free will ?

      you ccome to god through agreement or free will ?

      ” do you see the whole world agreeing to do 1 thing together?”

      wtf are u on about ? what DOES IT MATTER?

      “Obviously that’s not possible even God knows that , that’s why God did the extra for us the same way you said some sin require extra…”

      so god trashed the sincere repentance of individual x because whole world is not in agreement ?

      “God show how much he love the world so that people can turn to him ”

      what ? people werent turning to god before your pagan god came? jews did not love their god and turn to him ?

      “There is nothing anyone of us can do that cant be extra in other to take away the sin of the world….”

      your god “took away” sin of the world, yet he will judge you for your good and bad deeds on judgement day?

      who said god takes away “si n of the world” he doesnt , he exposes sins on day of judgement and judges.

      “that’s why he sent his son to be the extra and his son is the only one that worth taking away the sin of the whole world ”

      who made this rule? who made the rule that sin = eternal damnation? who made the rule that only a violent human sacrifice take away the sin of the world? where did the rule say that god is allowed to create loop hole and save himself from eternal damnation ?

      so god did not think his INVISIBLE FORGIVENESS powers were worthy ?

      quote :
      If there is no internal repentance and commitment to change, then the physical act of offering a sacrifice is worthless. Conversely, internally repenting without a sacrifice (in instances where one cannot be given) is always acceptable.

      question :

      here your jewish god tells how to take away the sin of the world….does your god repent or doees he NEED humans to give him REPENTANCE ?

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    9. mr.heathcliff

      “. There is nothing anyone of us can do that cant be extra in other to take away the sin of the world….”

      your god died for pagan idolatry, knows idolaters are never going to accept him, JUDGES them on day of judgement and sends them to hell, so why did your pagan god punish himself for idolatry, WHERE DID the idolatry go? the idol worshipper is punished in hell, SO what pathetic useless act of “take away sin of IDOLATRY…..” ?

      your god put rape action on himself/punished himself, rapist NEVER accepts yyour pagan god, your god judges him on d.o.j and PUNISHES RAPIST in hell….for what your pagan god POURED rape on himself ? lol

      ITS absolute nonsense.

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    10. mr.heathcliff

      Filtht kristiant liar for jesus

      Lets ask questions like u do

      1. god is invisible or in your case “spiritual”

      2. Sins begining point is from the mind, mind is invisible

      3. Why yhwh deal with invisible problem PHYSICALLY?

      4. Paul say old covenant is ritual and useless, yet yhwh DEPENDANT on old PAGAN SACRIFICIAL ritual, why???????

      5. This is INVISIBLE PROBLEM, not physical cause OUR BODIES ARE being used for wrong, for example, i use camera to look at women changing clothes, the point of origin is from the mind….

      6.u said this is “spiritual” but why yhwh DOING physical ritual to be SEEN by men?

      7. Dont tell me about the ressurection of your pagan god because he RESET something WHICH WAS for INVISIBLE problem, he USED THE RITUAL SYSTEM OF THE OLD PAGANS for SPIRITUAL problem

      8. is yhwh WEAK that his SOLUTION TO INVISIBLE PROBLEM IS BECOME MATERIAL ????????

      9. Why yhwh so materialistic in old testament and uses it in new testament for “sacrifice” ??? ITS SPIRITUAL PROBLEM

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    11. mr.heathcliff

      Another evidence that a dog like u was never a muslim was when u said “quran copied the bible”
      Only an dumb ignorant pig shit like u will say this.

      Your christian scholars no longer say this. they are now saying that the quran HAS ITS OWN UNDERSTANDING AND perspective about the prophets and stories. They say the quran is an oral recitation in debate and dialogue with other people

      you said “quran copied…”
      But u need to define what “copied” means

      For example, majority of kristian scholars agree matthew COPIED mark word for word, order for order, and EVEN when they DISAGREE WITH MARK they reproduce markan wording

      So what does dog like u mean “copied”

      ?????

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    12. mr.heathcliff

      I CANT BE BOTHERED TO REPLY ANY MORE. THIS GUY IS A WASTED MORON.

      hee is SPAMING THIS BLOG!

      “I didn’t not agree with you He doesn’t have God’s attributes … I explained in a way Muslims see it and like I said before and always Jesus is God.”

      ” I explained why he took on flesh and why he empty himself but still remain the Word”

      ” I tried to explain to you that you and your soul are the same, it doesn’t matter if your body eat and drink but your soul doesn’t both are still STEW same goes for Jesus and the Word both are still God no matter what..”

      you do understand you dumb moron that jesus was once “all knowing” and then the SAME “soul” or “person” or “SELF” became IGNORANT ?????

      stew was not talking ABOUT the flesh, he was TALKING about the INVISIIBLE person of your pagan god and HOW it was AFFECTED by things OUTSIDE of it…..

      do you see now pagan donkey?

      and it gets WORSE for a donkey like you.

      humans are CREATED BODY AND SOUL…….

      your “god soul” or “god self” or “god person” BECAME created .

      invisible BECAME physical.

      do you see the difference, polytheist?

      “Let me show you more reasons why Muslims don’t even understand what they say … When Muslims say Allah send Angel Gabriel to Mohamed, I believe they meant Allah sent him from heaven to the earth.. So when Allah was speaking to Gabriel in heaven does Gabriel has ears, mouth , nose, etc? or only when He appear here on earth he posses those attributes …. ”

      ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT, GOD CREATES WHAT HE WILLS ON ANY PLANE OF EXISTENCE, HE DOES NOT CREATE OR CAUSE HIMSELF

      “If you believe they have body in heaven, What sort of body do they have ? Spiritual or Physical ?”

      absOLUTELY IRRELAVANT

      “Before when you said some sins require you go out and do extra in other for God to forgive you I told you that’s exactly what God did in the case of Jesus dying for our sins….”

      it was absolutely USELESS for jesus to do anything. God already provided a system on how to get forgiveness of sins. jesus DIED for nothing.

      “He did extra by giving us his only son… Jesus is the EXTRA…. ”

      absolutely irrelavant trash because GOD gave “the extra ability” in every human.
      jesus DIED for nothing

      “Now you said specific rule in a specific situation not general… like you said that scenario you to free a slave then God will forgive you for that particular sin now I am telling you again by killing Jesus on the cross …”

      A useless activity.

      ” God generalise it as the way our sins will be forgiven ….”

      lol, the only thing your “god” “generalised” was TRANSFERRING filthy sins and PUNISHING himself…. OUR GOD MULTIPLES GOOD DEEDS.

      “Let me try and explain something you are missing …. When you say by doing certain things by the command of God that’s the way certain sins will be forgiving .. for example if you require a ram, or fasting or freeing slave etc whatever you need for this certain sins to be forgiving is giving to you by God, you don’t own it… everything we have is giving to us by God including your SALARY…. You need strength to fast, God gives strength …You need ram God create Ram.. You need to free Slave God create slave so there is nothing you give to God that belongs to you”

      does your god repent, feel guilt, feel remourse , do charity, pray ? no. so do you give to your god what he does not DO?

      “everything that you give to him belongs to him first… God only wants our obedience and faith in Him… ”

      so there is no need of jesus

      “the same way God gave us Jesus ”

      GOD gave us a heart which we use to draw closer to him. jesus told us to “love god with all our hearts”

      aND TO GET “atonement for sinS ” he said REPENT, for the kingdom is near.

      “in other to take away our sins,”

      god already “took away” sins by seeking god sincerely
      jesus = redundant. useless. not needed.

      ” if God didn’t give Jesus to us we are not able to do a thing to Jesus. ”

      pharisees killed him

      “So when Muslims say how can this and that happen to Jesus and we still call him God, its because everything that happen to him is the will of God not by our power”

      so god has a god OVER him and is CONTROLLED by the will of ANOTHER god? god is controlled by another god?

      christians jesus was a BLASPHEMOUR who BROKE the laws and was KILLED.

      “… So the only thing God requires Us to do is to believe in Jesus”

      lets put on “crosstian glasses”
      how does “beliving in” a pagan human sacrifice, UNDO rape, murder, THEFT, and adultery?
      did you sin today larry, how were your sins undone?
      you are believing in an UNJUST system. your god is “just” he cannot tolerate your CONTINUOUS sins.

      we don’t need pagan idol to seek gods forgiveness. OUR GOD IS MERCIFUL AND He doesnt need jesus to be meriful.

      your god is powerless and WEAK, he CAN’T undo sins WITHOUT pagan blood sacrifice.

      ” and our sins will be forgiving that’s all.. Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb that God gave us”

      GOD forgives WITHOUT jesus…THATS ALL!!!

      HE IS ABLE TO….THATS ALL!!!

      ” … There is only 1 Jesus not billions like animals and there is only 1 person ”

      yhwh DID NOT EVEN REQUEST THE offering of “billions of animals” lol

      its NOT ABOUT QUANTITY, but quality and there is NO QUALITY in idolatry!

      i would sacrificie hundreds of GOATS , then WORSHIP A PAGAN galilean IDDOL.

      and HOW MANY times you “sacrifice” jebus in your PAGAN mind EVVERYTIME u sin?

      “that is worthy of taking away the sins of all the world ”

      how does the KILLING OF A finite BODY take away INFINITE crime?
      PLUS jesus RESET himself

      your jesus DID NOT BURN in hell eternally

      “and that person is Jesus… since there is only 1 Jesus and billions of us and God wants our sins to be forgiving by killing Jesus which”

      God forgivees without jesus! FORGIVING without jesus or ANY INTERMEDIARIES is EASY FOR GOD AND GREATER than bodies of flesh.

      “It will be impossible for each and everyone of us to kill Jesus every time we need God to forgive us,”

      YET you drink blood and eat flesh and imagine crucifixion in your pagan brain. why u got the cross for, larrry?

      ” What did God do He requires us to just believe in that sacrifice then we don’t need other sacrifice again…”

      thats like saying god just required us to “believe in rape” and he won’t require us to believe in many RAPES again lol

      ” All he needs is our Obedience and Faith….”

      jesus is USELESS

      “He doesn’t eat the ram nor does he drink the blood its our Obedience and Faith.”

      yhwh LOVES goats, ram and sheep, they have to be quality though

      “If you read this over and over again you will see how you are wrong … volcano god or whatever god that you say require blood, where do you think they got it from? ”

      FROM people who sacrificed young virgins to APPEASE the gods

      “When people do magic or voodoo or some sort of spiritual things that is not of God where do you think they got it from? If you truly believe all power belongs to God…. Can a man give himself power or create power? ”

      a tree can give eternal life

      so why cant a flesh body?

      “This gods you are talking about tapped into spiritual realms and manipulate things they see…”

      like jesus was doing with jinns and devvils

      ” They know there is a mystery behind blood and who create blood and the mystery ? God”

      what about semen or ovum of a woman, any mystery their ?

      “And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission. This verse shows there is a mystery behind shedding of blood…”

      THIS IS A LIE!

      “Why do I have to feed 10 poor people, give them clothes or free a slave or fast 3 days as an atonement for breaking an oath? Why can’t I just repent?”

      WHY noah just DIDNT have faith that god would KEEP him afloat? why he need to MEASURE boat, collect wood, and DO works do please god?

      why did the animal sacrifice have to bee a QUALITY sacrifice?

      why noah just didn’t have faith ?

      “Like I said before God doesn’t need anything from us”

      EXCEPT that your god depends on his human works

      ” because we don’t own anything….”

      so how did your god sacrifice himself to himself when he owns everything ?

      to sacrifice is to LOSE!

      ” God owns everything the only thing he wants from us is Obedience and Faith out of our own free will.. So if he says kill Ram its not that He wants to eat the meat but he wants your Obedience and Faith out of our own free will but with the blood I have explained there is a mystery behind it a spiritual thing… ”

      whats the mystery in blood and child sacrifice? whats the mystery in pagan human sacrifice?

      “I gave you a good example about Abraham and Isaac.. After Abraham showed Obedience and Faith.. God provides him with Ram and it was after he sacrifice the ram God said this in Genesis 22:15-18
      Then the Angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, 16 and said: “By Myself I have sworn, says the LORD, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— 17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”

      NO , it says “because you have NOT WITHHELD YOUR son, your ONLY SON…..”

      it was about the ram, but god DECIDED lets talk about abrahams son? LOL LOL LOLO L O L

      I CANT BE BOTHERED TO REPLY ANY MORE. THIS GUY IS A WASTED MORON.

      hee is SPAMING THIS BLOG!

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    13. mr.heathcliff

      “did Jesus says only Father know the hour they will either say it was the human nature talking or his knowledge was “veiled..”

      U dingleberry, human nature is already made ignorant .

      The fathers PERSON was not ignorant , jesus PERSON was ignorant.

      How do u “veil” an all knowing person?

      notice how u SEPARATE the knowledge from the person ? knowledge doesnt change , person does? Is knowledge greater than the person?

      Your foolish bs about king and gomer and yhwh and hosea is too hilarious.

      Apparently king wasng doing his job. hosea was prophet of yheh lol

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    14. mr.heathcliff

      “I am not sure if I understand you .. are you asking why Hosea didn’t judge Gomer? ”

      larry, pig of jesus, whore of babylon.

      first i quote your god :

      Plead with your mother, plead—for she is not my wife, and I am not her husband—that she put away her whoring from her face, and her adultery from between her breasts, or I will strip her naked and expose her as in the day she was born, and make her like a wilderness and turn her into a parched land, and kill her with thirst. Upon her children also I will have no pity, because they are children of whoredom. For their mother has played the whore.

      what is this IMAGERY conveying, pig of jebis ?

      hoses is banging a PROSTITUTE yet he have to go and plee with israel about her whoring ways ?

      “If that’s the question… its not Hosea’s job to carry out judgment on people that sin… ”

      thats cause he been given the task to bang a prostitute?

      he BANGING a prostitute and at same time conveying the imagery from the text above ?

      he is telling them the judgement of yhwh you whore of babylon

      “They have King and authority to do that..”

      so what was job of hosea , bang a prostitute to show that israel hurt yhwhs feelings ? lol

      ” Hosea is just a prophet.”

      GETTING REVEALATIONS ABOUT ISRAELS promiscuous ACTIVITIES WITH OTHER DIETIES

      hosea was getting kind of horny in this situatio so he FORGED revealations to satisfy his sexual apetite

      quote :

      – but this time not for social and ethical iniquity but for failure to worship God properly. The people of Israel have turned to other gods, and Hosea declares they have “prostituted” themselves and will be severely punished for it.

      quote :

      In this case the problem is not principally that they have behaved in unethical ways and perpetrated social injustice and oppression. It is rather that they have rejected the worship of God and indulged, instead, in the worship of other gods. “My people consult a piece of wood and their divining rod gives them oracles. . . . They sacrifice on the tops of the mountains and make offerings upon the hills” (4:12–13). They have, in a sense, prostituted themselves, wantonly going after lovers other than Yahweh: “for a spirit of whoredom has led them astray, and they have played the whore, forsaking their God” (4:12).

      so hosea DECIDES TO FORGE A REVEALATION AND JUSTIFY banging a REAL life prostitute to convey yhwhs FEELINGS of hurt

      lol

      ” Like I said before the main reason God told Hosea to do what he did is because of the way the whole country has been living in sin”

      they were WORSHIPPING OTHER gods

      hosis FORGES REVELATIONS TO show them yhwhs FEELINGS , but in reality he wanted to have sex with a whore to satisfy his prostitute ways .

      so much IDOLATRY of israel, that hoses got horny and decided to LIE about yhwh and forge revealation to justify his lustful ways .

      ” and no one is doing anything about it. There is nothing for Hosea to judge if God didn’t tell him to marry Gomer He will not have anything to do with her and no where bible says Hosea like what Gomer was doing..”

      you dumb whore of babylon hoses LIKED banging a prostitute because of his lust for her. and what better place to do it then in a place where israel is practicingg idolatry and prostituting activities with other gods?

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    15. mr.heathcliff

      israels idolatry :
      Plead with your mother, plead—for she is not my wife, and I am not her husband—that she put away her whoring from her face, and her adultery from between her breasts, or I will strip her naked and expose her as in the day she was born, and make her like a wilderness and turn her into a parched land, and kill her with thirst. Upon her children also I will have no pity, because they are children of whoredom. For their mother has played the whore. (2:2–5)

      yhwhs command:

      The LORD said to Hosea, “Go take for yourself a wife of whoredom and have children of whoredom, for the land commits great whoredom by forsaking the LORD”

      “2.God didn’t tell Gomer what to do he spoke to Hosea, he didn’t tell Gomer to do a thing, he told Hosea to do something ”

      marry a disloyal and faithless whore. yhwh tells hosis to marry a disloyal and faithless whore to show israel how yhwh feels?

      quote :
      And so Hosea does what he is told, in obedience to God (but miserably for himself) marrying an unfaithful woman named Gomer who bears him three children, each of them given a symbolic name

      “and what He told Hosea is not a sin to Marry a prostitute”

      he is marrying IDOLATRY

      he is told to marry a DISLOYAL AND FAITHLESS woman.

      like the woman who is seeking other men, israel is seeking other gods

      it is a SINFUL RELATIONSHIP .

      yhwh told him to MARRY into one.

      scum bag

      ” or is it a sin to marry a prostitute ?”

      idolatry and prostitution are seen as one idea in the hebrew bible.

      ” .. So tell me what God told Hosea to do that is a sin ”

      mary into idolatry and prostitution u dum b shit

      imagine your christian wife is sucking the testicles of the idol vishnu while you are knowwing she is doing this , i quote :

      . In illustration of this message Hosea is instructed to go after his wife, who has become so promiscuous, and lure her back into their relationship. That too will be what happens when Israe

      . In illustration of this message Hosea is instructed to go after his wife, who has become so promiscuous, and lure her back into their relationship. That too will be what happens when Israe

      . In illustration of this message Hosea is instructed to go after his wife, who has become so promiscuous, and lure her back into their relationship. That too will be what happens when Israe

      GO AFTER HIS WIFE ….HIS WIFE….

      “not what Gomer did because God didn’t tell Gomer to become a prostitute or speak to her.”

      u dumb , he told him to marry a whoring, disloyal and faithless AND idolatry whore

      quote:
      . In illustration of this message Hosea is instructed to go after his wife, who has become so promiscuous, and lure her back into their relationship. That too will be what happens when Israe

      .” and clearly the verses says why God told Hosea to do what He did, Hosea 1:2 When the Lord began to speak by Hosea, the Lord said to Hosea: “Go, take yourself a wife of harlotry And children of harlotry, For the land has committed great harlotry By departing from the Lord.”.. As you can see clearly For the land has committed great harlotry By departing from the Lord…”

      the text does not seem to indicatte that they are DOING prostitution with women, but with other gods. yhwh demonstrates an INTERNAL non-physical problem by having hosis go after a WHORE and marry her ?

      idolatry starts from the heart

      ” according to you Gomer should be single out of the whole Israel and be punished even though the whole Israel has committed great harlotry By departing from the Lord.”

      lol

      quote :

      In this case the problem is not principally that they have behaved in unethical ways and perpetrated social injustice and oppression. It is rather that they have rejected the worship of God and indulged, instead, in the worship of other gods. “My people consult a piece of wood and their divining rod gives them oracles. . . . They sacrifice on the tops of the mountains and make offerings upon the hills” (4:12–13).

      yhwh demonstrates an INTERNAL PROBLEM by having hosis CHASE AFTER A WHORE, mary her and KEEP IN A DISLOYAL AND IDOLATROUS RELATIONSHIP WHERE SHE IS PROSTITUTING HERSELF… this is a sin.

      yhwh told hosis to indulge in sin

      “3. Under God’s law its people that always implement the law not God coming down from heaven,”

      irrelavant bullshit

      “so if people didn’t implement God’s law you cant blame God for that… ”

      irrelavNT BS

      “so if King or whoever that suppose to implement the law at the time didn’t do it you cant say its God’s fault”

      it does not appear that the kings failed to do their jobs when it came to prostitution, it does appear that yhwh or rather hoses NEEDS A PROSTITUTE TO bang to demonstrate yhwhs hurtful feelings,…

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      It appears to me that your “argument ” is “well everyone was doing it, therefore….”

      The text does not say physical prostituion was rampant, it does day prostitution of the heart was rampant and the way yhwh wanted to demonstrate it was by having hosis MARRY INTO SINFUL, faithless , disloyal relationship.

      so hosis is 11 in night wondering where his wife is

      Oh, she is getting banged by tony next door

      Didnt i say that in judaism marriage and idolatry seem to be linked

      Disloyal wife is doing the deeds of an idolater

      yhwh wanted hosis to marry into such relationship

      But since u said “everyone was doing it” then the chances of hosis satisfying his lust for prostitute increase, right?

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    17. mr.heathcliff

      Quote:
      I’ve done plenty of digging, and no other historical error in the bible is clearer than the biblical author’s lying to the reader in denying David’s sexual infidelity in 1st Kings 1:1-4. The very notion that several adults disregarded sleeping close to the fireplace, or having David sleep with one of his polygamous wives, and thus thought the only way David could cure his night chills was for him to sleep next to a pretty young virgin girl picked at random from the city, is f……. preposterous, and no Christian woman of today would even start to believe a similar excuse if she came home, found her husband in bed with a pretty young virgin girl picked by his friends from another part of town, and listened to him say “I was only trying to get warm, I did not have sex with that woman

      Lol

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  2. mr.heathcliff

    “So when we say Jesus is God we are referring to what John 1:1 said…”

    Who said ” only the father knows”
    And who said “i am” ?
    1 person or two different persons ? Lol

    ” we are letting people know that the WORD in John 1:1 became
    flesh and dwelt among us and as we know the WORD in John 1:1 is GOD so simple. ”

    How does “becoming flesh” and being born to a virgin demonstrate one is god? Lol

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  3. mr.heathcliff

    “I really don’t know why you think God doesn’t have the power to do all this things bible says.. do you really believe God doesn’t have the power to do it or what?… ”

    had a lying pagan like you been a muslim, you would know that god by definition is not creation. creation did not exist and then came into existance.

    whatever god creates would not be god by definition

    to say “god doesn’t have pwr to do all things” means

    “is god UNable to be UNABLE”

    HAD kafir like you been muslim , you would have known this

    “is god UNable to be UNABLE”

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  4. Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,

    Guys, I started to doubt on whether I’m true Muslim or hypocritical. And that unwanted doubt literally frightened me.

    My question is: Can I supplicate for Allah Almighty To show me some powerful signs and undeniable so I can know whether I’m hypocrite or true Muslim!?

    I feel terrified, guys! I don’t want Hell!!

    I’m very serious about it. I feel threatened with God’s Punishment!

    Jazak Allah Khair

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      1. Well, when I was age of 15, my dad asked me if I want to be Muslim and I rejected his invitation to Islam and then I felt extremely guilty that I refused to embrace Islam and my dad told me “you don’t know what is good for you” and that night I felt guilty and so I showed next day in the morning to my dad that I know what is good for me and so I asked him “how do can I be a Muslim” and he told me to repeat after me “Ashahadu’ An la ilaha ilallah Wa Muhammad Rasulullah” and then the feelings of guilt disappeared. And then I struggled to pray like a Muslim because my dad told me if I want Paradise, I need to pray like a Muslim. And for years, I struggled to understand how to pray and I watched videos of how I learn to pray and I even downloaded apps how I can learn to pray, but Alhamdulillah I found a way how I can learn in my way how to pray in easy way, and so I begin to pray like a Muslim.

        And later on, I started to learn how to supplicate to Allah the Most High and so after I learnt how to supplicate, I started to supplicate basically for anything, but I was too ignorant about Islam, because I supplicated for forbidden things which I didn’t know it was forbidden to ask. For instance, I supplicated to Allah the Most High To reverse the time and change Shariah, and I didn’t know that it was forbidden so when I found out years later that it is forbidden to supplicate for that, then I stopped supplicating for that. And so I moved to something which is permissible.

        I embraced Islamic belief system after reciting Testimony of Faith and I abandoned Christianity for good.

        And now I fear of committing disbelief and polytheism after learning how dangerous those sins are.

        And I struggle currently to pray regulate and constantly and I even struggle to work on reviving and implementing the Tradition of Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings of God be upon him) after reading a hadith where he stated “whoever obeys me will enter Paradise”

        and now I formed new intentions after studying little bit more, I have the intention of doing good deeds for the sake of Allah Almighty and to worship Allah Almighty as I became aware that the reason why Allah created me is to worship Him without any partners according to Quran 51:56 and Quran 39:17 and prior to my conversion to Islam, I wasn’t an Islamophobe and neither my parents, I just used my life as what other kids were doing, but since now I’m a revert of Islam, I have important responsibilities to fulfill.

        And what bothers me is that my dad did not taught me about the Biography of Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) so I can develop love for him before I revert to Islam. But now I have to develop love for Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) since that’s my obligation. And what’s good is that I don’t hate Prophet Muhammad at all.

        That’s why I need to supplicate for Allah the Most High To show me some signs so I can know whether I’m true Muslim or hypocritical, because I feel threatened with His Punishment!

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    1. I don’t think it’s a good idea to generalize considering how loose and unrestrictive (for the most part) sanatan dharma is, a plethora of your central texts does make a distinction including the vedas while i’d concur there are branches out there who gainsay any concept of a “disbeliever” or “infidel” but what some of your texts say (which are often important ones) can’t be tossed aside

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      1. stewjo004

        @ Seeker

        If memory serves don’t some sects believe the wicked are punished in Hell (Naraka)? So if they were punished because they were wicked (i.e. didn’t observe their “dharmic” lifestyle) then they “disbelieved” in the dharma. So believing in the dharma and following its way grants good and blessings while disbelieving in it causes pain and misery in this life and the next.

        Just because you took something that belongs to the Creator and gave it to a philosophical law doesn’t mean you got rid of the concept.

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      2. “If memory serves don’t some sects believe the wicked are punished in Hell (Naraka)? ”

        Irrespective of sects (they often bring new teachings out of their mind) what matters is what their texts says, for going to NaRk some explicit mentions are adharma, apostasy, atheism, disbelieving in the vedas, there’s also jabs against other branches such as Jainism and Buddhism..heck there’s even blasphemy laws…sanatan dharma is too wide and loose to define and to generalize but it can’t be denied that many of their central texts starting from the source itself contradicts the modern hippie narrative…it’s pick and choose for most hindus of our time

        If you want references for what i said then let me know will drop some when i get some time

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  5. Larry

    @Stew

    LARRY B. “…I really don’t know why you think God doesn’t have the power to do all this things bible says.. do you really believe God doesn’t have the power to do it or what?”
    STEW Because it’s retarded to anyone who doesn’t follow your nonsensical religion. To begin let’s define “all things” again a simple question for you, can God be stupid? God does things worthy of His grandeur.

    What did bible say God did that is stupid ? to take on flesh and die for our sins is stupid? Why is it stupid please explain why and how you know its stupid

    PS
    LARRY 1 Do you believe what John Chapter 1 says to be true ?
    STEW Hell no. It’s stolen from a philosopher named Philo

    Ok what is the meaning of Logos?

    LARRY 2 Either you believe and accept John 1 or Not lets go to according to what bible says .Do you believe the Word is Jesus ?
    STEW Define your definition of the “Word”

    Logos which I believe you know that already so now tell me what Logos means

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      LARRY B. “…I really don’t know why you think God doesn’t have the power to do all this things bible says.. do you really believe God doesn’t have the power to do it or what?”
      STEW Because it’s retarded to anyone who doesn’t follow your nonsensical religion. To begin let’s define “all things” again a simple question for you, can God be stupid? God does things worthy of His grandeur.

      pig:
      What did bible say God did that is stupid ? to take on flesh and die for our sins is stupid? Why is it stupid please explain why and how you know its stupid

      QUESTION :
      because you silly kafir, if god is OMNIPOTENT (all powerful) , he has the POWER to forgive WITHOUT taking on flesh.

      “taking on flesh” implies God BECOMES subject to His own POWERS

      Look how your own scholars have defined OMNIPOTENCE.

      the bible says god makes a LOT of stupid decisions like creating man and then REPENTING for what he has CREATED lol

      this is an UNWISE god.

      GOD by definition is IMMORTAL which means HE is UNDYING!

      your god is a pagan DYING god.

      “die for your sins” who are you to think that your sins are so much for god that he has to become a pathetic mortal ? who are you ?

      donkey : Either you believe and accept John 1 or Not lets go to according to what bible says .Do you believe the Word is Jesus ?

      question:

      absolutely not!
      jesus NEVER calls himself “the word”

      “STEW Define your definition of the “Word””

      “Logos which I believe you know that already so now tell me what Logos means”

      like sophia in the proverbs, yet no jew TOOK yhwhs wisdom to mean that it BECAME a female persona in the form of a woman.

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      “Hosea has nothing to gain and was not committing any sin and likewise Isaiah .”

      “Do not degrade your daughter and make her a harlot, lest the land fall into harlotry and the land be filled with depravity” (Leviticus 19:29

      “Let us go with your theory first If Hosea decides to marry a prostitute no one will say it’s a sin, its not written anywhere that it’s a sin to marry a prostitute nor a taboo , so there is no reason to make up revelation to achieve it if truly it was his desire.”

      its a depravity and hosea knows this, so he makes up revealation to fulfil his own desires irregardless if it is a depravity

      ” The reason why God told him to do what he did is to show what will happen to Israelite before it happen and it did happened same way Hosea prophecy so that goes to show it didn’t make it up”

      god told him to marry depravity in order to fulfil what god was going to do lol ?
      you are justifying your gods sins for fulfilment purpose?

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    3. mr.heathcliff

      you clearly are avoiding to answer the following problems :

      Again is he God or is he not God? Not that hard of a question. God is God no matter where He is. Are you arguing that God was NOT All-Knowing, All Seeing and All hearing at one point in time?

      do you worship a CONTRADICTION?
      do you worship an allhearing-DEAF god? all-seeing-BLIND god?

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    4. mr.heathcliff

      “What did bible say God did that is stupid ? to take on flesh and die for our sins is stupid? Why is it stupid please explain why and how you know its stupid”

      I will give anaology.

      Imagine a man catch his wife doing adulterty, he loves her so much that he plans his own abduction and gets raped by terrorists so he can forgive his wife.

      “To take on flesh and die for our sins is stupid”

      Stupid and unwise because god does not make unwise dicision like the guy who feel cheated above.

      Is sin such a POWERFUL entity that it gives ur god night mare?

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    5. stewjo004

      @ Looney Larry

      1. “…What did bible say God did that is stupid ?’

      Regretting to make Saul the king of Israel…

      2. “…to take on flesh and die for our sins is stupid?”

      Yes very,

      3. “Why is it stupid please explain why and how you know its stupid”

      Let me count the ways:

      A. He could have just forgiven humanity like you know He’s been doing. The whole thing is redundant, unnecessary and there is no fundamental difference between this and pagan Greek demigods.

      B. He could have sent Jesus(as) earlier because on the grand scheme Jesus(as) is VERY late to the party by existing at the most generous 2% of mankind’s history

      C. Speaking of which what was happening to other people and nations during this time? They never once heard of Jesus(as) so did they all go to Hell then? If you say that did Moses(As), Abraham(as), David(As) etc go to Heaven? If you say yes then Jesus(as) was not neccessary and have to concede it’s possible to go to Heaven without worshipping Jesus(as).

      D. Unlike in the Hebrew Bible or the Quran where God very clearly declares who He is and what He wants or this will happen, all Christians can do is try to focus ambiguous statements from the written late “the gospel of John” to try and prove his divinity because he never makes any public declaration like times past.

      E. Could have made His followers all agree on who He is and what His core message was. Instead, it’s a bunch of infighting, forging text, and exaggerations.

      4. The point

      Either way, none of this is my point. You have conceded Jesus(as) does NOT have the attributes of God. Again if something does not have God’s attributes it can’t be God plain and simple. God is God no matter where He is or what He is doing. There are no “shedding off” attributes. God either is All-Knowing for example or He’s not. Once God says “I don’t know the Hour” then either:

      A. That thing is not God

      or

      B. You have to say God is not All-Knowing because there was a time He didn’t know something.

      So which is it?

      5. “Ok what is the meaning of Logos?”

      I don’t know what the Philo “Logos” is, but for us, the “kalam” that is Jesus(as), is simply a title because of how God created him by simply saying “be” and he was born.

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      1. Larry

        A. He could have just forgiven humanity like you know He’s been doing. The whole thing is redundant, unnecessary and there is no fundamental difference between this and pagan Greek demigods.

        I don’t want to assume anything .. so please before I reply to you .. can you tell me what you mean by He could have just forgiven humanity like you know He’s been doing.. How has he been doing it and how did you know how he was doing it? do u have a reference or you assume or is it Quran that told you ?

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      2. Ugh, how stupid and ignorant are you, donkey? Have you even bothered to read the Tanakh? It is part of your Bible, after all?

        Look at the example of Nineveh, during the time of Jonah (pbuh). Did God forgive them after they repented or did He demand some sort of “sacrifice”?

        Now of course, the Tanakh is a complex book, written by anonymous people, who didn’t always have the same theology. Thus, in some places, the god of the Bible even requires human sacrifices. This is of course not the true God but a satanic counterfeit invented by the authors. But the point is that in many places, the true God is shown. He is a God of mercy who doesn’t need blood in order to forgive sins.

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      3. mr.heathcliff

        “I don’t want to assume anything .. so please before I reply to you .. can you tell me what you mean by He could have just forgiven humanity like you know He’s been doing.. How has he been doing it and how did you know how he was doing it? do u have a reference or you assume or is it Quran that told you ?”

        U dumb moronic swine, the gentiles were never told to take part in the hebrew ritual animal sacrifices

        What about the jews?

        Quote
        :

        Hosea 3:4-5(JPT) – 4. For the children of Israel shall remain for many days, having neither king, nor prince, nor sacrifice, nor pillar, nor ephod nor teraphim. 5. Afterwards shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God and David their king, and they shall come trembling to the Lord and to His goodness at the end of days.

        Hosea 14:2-3(JPT) – 2. Return, O Israel, to the Lord your God, for you have stumbled in your iniquity. 3. Take words with yourselves and return to the Lord. Say, “You shall forgive all iniquity and teach us {the} good {way}, and let us render {for} bulls {the offering of} our lips.

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      4. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        1. “How has he been doing it and how did you know how he was doing it? do u have a reference or you assume or is it Quran that told you ?”

        A. Lol first off you already admitted God forgave people previously so why do I need a reference?

        B. Old Testament/ Hebrew Bible:

        I, yes I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake and remembers your sins no more. (Isaiah 43:25)

        For You, Lord, are good, and ready to forgive, And abundant in lovingkindness to all who call upon You. (Psalm 86:5)

        Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of Your name; And deliver us and forgive our sins for Your name’s sake. (Psalm 79:9)

        Who is a God like you, who pardons sin and forgives the transgression of the remnant of his inheritance? You do not stay angry forever but delight to show mercy. (Micah 7:18)

        So that means God forgave others WAY before Jesus(as) even came on the scene thus his “sacrifice’ was not needed.

        2. You never answered my point regarding Jesus(as) not having God’s attributes.

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      5. Larry

        I really don’t understand you , I said John 1:1 says In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God you said It’s stolen from a philosopher named Philo then I ask what Logos means since it was Philo that said Logos means word you said I don’t know what the Philo “Logos” is, but for us, the “kalam” that is Jesus and meaning if Kalam is the word too… so I don’t get what you your problem is with what Philo said.. I don’t see why you have problem with Philo because he didn’t write book of John he only interpret what was written in it .. Philo said Logos means Word and Word means Jesus you said Kalam means Jesus because Kalam is the word.. Again according to bible WORD in John 1:1 is Jesus on earth and according to John 1:1 WORD is God.. so when we say Jesus is God we are right to say it because the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…

        If you say Jesus cant be the Word in John 1:1 so is either Word is God and Jesus is not …then let us put your understanding of God or Allah to test then..

        If Allah is all knowing does he know you before you were born?

        If Allah know you before you were born, were you human being before you were born or spirit being ?

        If you die as a Muslim before judgement day , are you waiting as human being or as a spirit ? are you going to heaven with your body or are you going as a spirit?

        Is your Spirit and you as a person the same or different ? if you are the same do you know everything that your spirit knows ? if you are not the same who is Allah going to punish you as person or your spirit?
        Do you believe in Spirit realm ? if you do . do they have body in spirit realm? Do you know all that is going on in the spirit realm

        Lets hear your answer maybe it can shed more light on our conversation… How Word cant be Jesus,,,

        2. “…to take on flesh and die for our sins is stupid?”
        Yes very,

        He could have just forgiven humanity like you know He’s been doing. The whole thing is redundant, unnecessary and there is no fundamental difference between this and pagan Greek demigods.

        Ok let see what Leviticus says and tell me why is it that God can forgive people by praying without needing Jesus to die and why does He ask for Sin offering by killing a bull?.. Or are you saying God didn’t ask for Sin offering ? if I should listen to you that why did God need Jesus to die and take away our sin.. can you explain why God needs a young bull for a sin offering ? does God eat the meat? Or drink the blood? do you know why He needs it? Why did Allah provide a sacrificial ram for Abraham ? what does he need the blood of the ram or meat for? Why cant Allah just tell Abraham fine I have seen you have good intention… why did Allah have to provide a ram ? Do you know answer to all these questions? Please if you do then it will be easier for us to understand why Jesus need to die or doesn’t need to die

        Leviticus 4:1-3
        Now the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘If a person sins [a]unintentionally against any of the commandments
        of the Lord in anything which ought not to be done, and does any of them, if the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, then let him offer to the Lord
        for his sin which he has sinned a young bull without blemish as a sin offering.

        Could have made His followers all agree on who He is and what His core message was. Instead, it’s a bunch of infighting, forging text, and exaggerations.

        Well I don’t know why Allah cant just make everyone on earth agree on who He is and what His core message is… why send Mohamed when Allah is all powerful, He should have done that, make every single person on earth agree.

        Now to my question since you based your theory on what God could have done without needing Jesus to die and why its stupid

        Why did Allah create Satan then now start sending different prophets to warn us? Since Allah is all knowing all He needs to do is not create Satan, then we will not be in this situation today

        If Allah is all knowing why did He send all the prophets upon till Jesus when he knew Torah and Injeel will be corrupted ? don’t you think He could have just stop them from corrupting it

        If Allah is all knowing, Powerful and Just, why did he let Muslim baby be born in places like Afghanistan . Iraq . Libya etc that they cant survive

        I have got lot of whys but if you can give me answer to these questions then I will know that you know God’s plan , then maybe I can believe you when you say Jesus cant be God or cant take on flesh and still be God..

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      6. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        1. “…you said It’s stolen from a philosopher named Philo…

        The reason I didn’t quote him was that you refuse to read anything. But for the people at home:

        The Logos
        Philo used the term Logos to mean an intermediary divine being, or demiurge.[9] Philo followed the Platonic distinction between imperfect matter and perfect Form, and therefore intermediary beings were necessary to bridge the enormous gap between God and the material world.[10] The Logos was the highest of these intermediary beings, and was called by Philo “the first-born of God.”[10]

        Philo also wrote that “the Logos of the living God is the bond of everything, holding all things together and binding all the parts, and prevents them from being dissolved and separated.”[11]

        2. “..he didn’t write book of John he only interpret what was written in it”

        No, he never once “interpreted” John as it hadn’t been written yet. Philo lived from 20 BCE to 50 CE. While “John” was written somewhere between 90-110 CE (i.e. a best case scenario of a 40-year gap) Christians stole his beliefs and incorporated it into a gnostic text thus creating your “gospel of John”.

        3. “…If you say Jesus cant be the Word in John 1:1…”

        Who argued your pagan author(s) didn’t believe Jesus was Logos? I am arguing Greek pagan philosophy < Philo < Chriistians

        4. Your stupid questions:

        A. If Allah is all knowing does he know you before you were born?

        Yes

        B. If Allah know you before you were born, were you human being before you were born or spirit being ?

        Assuming I understand your question, we were souls but that has no basis on "altering" His knowledge.

        C. "If you die as a Muslim before judgement day , are you waiting as human being or as a spirit ?

        Both. While the body will decay it will be ressurected on the Day of Jdgement to testify for or against you.

        D. are you going to heaven with your body or are you going as a spirit?

        The soul will be placed in a new body.

        E. Is your Spirit and you as a person the same or different ? if you are the same do you know everything that your spirit knows ? if you are not the same who is Allah going to punish you as person or your spirit?

        I don't understand any of these questions

        5. "…why is it that God can forgive people by praying without needing Jesus to die and why does He ask for Sin offering by killing a bull?…"

        Assuming this is true, there is no difference between "sin offering" and other similar penalties. Again simply ask jews because for some odd reason you don't think they exist. A "sin offering" is a penalty for ACCIDENTALLY breaking a commandment let's read what you wrote again slowly:

        "Now the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘If a person sins UNINTENTIONALLY against any of the commandments of the Lord…"

        We have similar laws like this in Islam for example:

        Believers, do not kill game while you are in the state of being a pilgrim! Whoever of you kills it on purpose, then the compensation is to be a sacrificial animal just like the one that is dedicated as an offering that must reach the Kaaba. The judgment of whether that animal is equal or not will be made by two fair people,or failing this, they are to make amends by feeding the poor or fasting the equivalent number of days, so that they can taste the consequences of their decision. (5:95)

        Some sins require to you go out and d extra but NOBODY thinks it's the ONLY way God forgives period. It's a specific situation requiring more legwork. As for the "why" God answers this in the Quran:

        It's neither their flesh nor their blood that reaches God, what reaches Him is your piety… (22:37)

        God cares about the intention of doing something to please Him not the blood like some sort of blood god sacrificing virgins to a volcano like you are portraying Him as.

        6. "…Well I don’t know why Allah cant just make everyone on earth agree on who He is and what His core message is… why send Mohamed when Allah is all powerful, He should have done that, make every single person on earth agree."

        He gave free choice for people to move towards. On the contrary your religion can't even explain its foundational point with splintering into sects.

        7. "Why did Allah create Satan then now start sending different prophets to warn us? Since Allah is all knowing all He needs to do is not create Satan, then we will not be in this situation today'

        Prophets were there since the beginning. Satan was a test for humans and was tested for his hypocrisy. God knew all this before creating.

        8. "If Allah is all knowing why did He send all the prophets upon till Jesus when he knew Torah and Injeel will be corrupted ? don’t you think He could have just stop them from corrupting it"

        Because those texts were not meant for the world only a specific time and place. So the Jews as a nation were tested and the unequivocally failed ad it established another proof of their wickedness against God.

        9. 'If Allah is all knowing, Powerful and Just, why did he let Muslim baby be born in places like Afghanistan . Iraq . Libya etc that they cant survive"

        Lol serouly? For one i can easily turn this around on you. But t answer that question:

        A. Test the oppressors
        B. Test the parents for patience and their belief
        C. Kids go to Heaven where they could care less

        You are assuming this a bad thing when it may be good simply because you don't know the variables. AN easy example is one of these children might grow up to be the next Hitler. God caused them to die so that they could be in Heaven etc.

        10. Deflection

        After ALLLLL this tangent you still haven't answered my question.

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      7. Larry

        LARRY B. If Allah know you before you were born, were you human being before you were born or spirit being ?
        STEW Assuming I understand your question, we were souls but that has no basis on “altering” His knowledge.

        Lol so I am guessing Muslims don’t have spirit only soul…. Lets go with soul for now

        LARRY “If you die as a Muslim before judgement day , are you waiting as human being or as a spirit ?
        STEW Both. While the body will decay it will be ressurected on the Day of Jdgement to testify for or against you.

        Both cant be waiting your body already decay its only your soul that is waiting

        LARRY . are you going to heaven with your body or are you going as a spirit?
        STEW The soul will be placed in a new body.

        The body that commit sin is gone but the new body that didn’t do anything wrong is going to hell … hmmm

        LARRY 5. “…why is it that God can forgive people by praying without needing Jesus to die and why does He ask for Sin offering by killing a bull?…”

        STEW Assuming this is true, there is no difference between “sin offering” and other similar penalties. Again simply ask jews because for some odd reason you don’t think they exist. A “sin offering” is a penalty for ACCIDENTALLY breaking a commandment let’s read what you wrote again slowly: “Now the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘If a person sins UNINTENTIONALLY against any of the commandments of the Lord…” We have similar laws like this in Islam for example:

        STEW Believers, do not kill game while you are in the state of being a pilgrim! Whoever of you kills it on purpose, then the compensation is to be a sacrificial animal just like the one that is dedicated as an offering that must reach the Kaaba. The judgment of whether that animal is equal or not will be made by two fair people,or failing this, they are to make amends by feeding the poor or fasting the equivalent number of days, so that they can taste the consequences of their decision. (5:95) Some sins require to you go out and d extra but NOBODY thinks it’s the ONLY way God forgives period. It’s a specific situation requiring more legwork. As for the “why” God answers this in the Quran: It’s neither their flesh nor their blood that reaches God, what reaches Him is your piety… (22:37) God cares about the intention of doing something to please Him not the blood like some sort of blood god sacrificing virgins to a volcano like you are portraying Him as.

        So you mean bowing your head in prayer in not enough piety ? A ram must die in other for it be considered a piety? Funny guy

        LARRY Well I don’t know why Allah cant just make everyone on earth agree on who He is and what His core message is… why send Mohamed when Allah is all powerful, He should have done that, make every single person on earth agree.”
        STEW He gave free choice for people to move towards. On the contrary your religion can’t even explain its foundational point with splintering into sects.

        So now you are contradicting yourself lol if you know this before then why did you say God Could have made His followers all agree on who He is and what His core message was. Instead, it’s a bunch of infighting, forging text, and exaggerations

        LARRY 7. “Why did Allah create Satan then now start sending different prophets to warn us? Since Allah is all knowing all He needs to do is not create Satan, then we will not be in this situation today’
        STEW Prophets were there since the beginning. Satan was a test for humans and was tested for his hypocrisy. God knew all this before creating.

        Lol I don’t get you Prophets were there since the beginning… where and what beginning are you talking about?… I thought prophets are just human beings like us never knew they are different from us… and I thought you said Allah Knew you before you were born, that will mean you exist before you were born lol or you don’t get it… well I know Satan was a test for humans but going by your theory of questioning God why Jesus need to die for our sin It doesn’t make sense that you believe God create Satan to test us but don’t believe the same way he made Jesus to deliver us from Satan…

        LARRY “If Allah is all knowing why did He send all the prophets upon till Jesus when he knew Torah and Injeel will be corrupted ? don’t you think He could have just stop them from corrupting it”
        STEW Because those texts were not meant for the world only a specific time and place. So the Jews as a nation were tested and the unequivocally failed ad it established another proof of their wickedness against God.

        Lol when I hear Muslims say things like this I wonder how they can actually believe it lol I used to believe too but still don’t know how I was so blind … Listen to yourself… God spent over 2000yrs talking to a particular nation teaching them his ways, laws etc, other nations can see what God was doing for his people but according to you all those lessons and laws for thousands of years are just wasted but the revelation that Mohamed Got for 22yrs is what meant for the whole word come on… so over 2000yrs of teaching them something he now spend 22yrs to send outsider to teach them something completely different to what he has been teaching them for over 2000yrs

        LARRY . ‘If Allah is all knowing, Powerful and Just, why did he let Muslim baby be born in places like Afghanistan . Iraq . Libya etc that they cant survive”

        STEW Lol serouly? For one I can easily turn this around on you. But t answer that question:
        A. Test the oppressors
        B. Test the parents for patience and their belief
        C. Kids go to Heaven where they could care less
        STEW You are assuming this a bad thing when it may be good simply because you don’t know the variables. AN easy example is one of these children might grow up to be the next Hitler. God caused them to die so that they could be in Heaven etc.

        Lol you took the bait funny guy while contradicting yourself at the same time… I mentioned Muslim countries on purpose because I knew you will come up with something like this…. What about people that don’t believe in God and they still go through the same stuff in different countries?

        STEW 10. Deflection
        After ALLLLL this tangent you still haven’t answered my question.

        I am not sure of which question you are talking about I am addressing what you send but if I miss anything copy and resend the part that I miss

        With everything you said it shows you are not sure of what you are saying or don’t know what you are saying that’s why you don’t understand why Jesus can die for our sin …. You agreed Allah knew you as a soul before you became flesh,, why cant Word exist before he became Jesus but you can….who you are as a flesh is different from who you are as a soul…. One has flesh, blood etc the other doesn’t .. same way for Word to be come flesh He cant have all the same attributes he has as Word …. Your soul is in spiritual realm and your body is the physical world … Word is in the spiritual realm and Jesus physical world …. Why is possible for you but not possible for the maker of all things ….again you said Some sins require to you go out and do extra but you don’t think Jesus dying for our sin is him doing extra since you believe some sins require doing extra? According to bible Jesus came to die for the sins of the world 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit… Cant you see how big that is.

        How many bull do you think you will need to kill for that to happen… is the whole world going to contribute Ram? Will the whole world agree to contribute? According to you some sins require doing extra … the way I see this it will require doing extra to take away the sin of the whole world …. That’s exactly why God did the extra by sending his son John 3:16 For this is how God loved the world: He gave[ his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life…. You already answered your own question …. There is nothing anyone of us can do that cant be extra in other to take away the sin of the world…. Even if there is it will require the whole world to agree and do it together, do you see the whole world agreeing to do 1 thing together? Obviously that’s not possible even God knows that , that’s why God did the extra for us the same way you said some sin require extra… God show how much he love the world so that people can turn to him that’s why he sent his son to be the extra and his son is the only one that worth taking away the sin of the whole world and also God practise what he preach to Us when he require us doing extra when it comes to certain things…

        I am waiting for your response and the question you said I didn’t answer idwstc.

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      8. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        1. “…Both cant be waiting your body already decay its only your soul that is waiting”

        Yes…and just like your soul is resurrected…so will your physical body to testify.

        “on the Day their tongues, hands, and feet will testify against them for what they used to do.” (24:24)

        2. “…The body that commit sin is gone but the new body that didn’t do anything wrong is going to hell … hmmm”

        Not really that difficult to understand for those without a learning disability. For one, you acknowledged the body is a vehicle from the soul which is enough to refute but then that’s like saying a gun should go to Hell because you used it to shoot someone.

        3. “So you mean bowing your head in prayer in not enough piety ? ”

        For one you didn’t refute my point (like at all) and two all things neutral what made bowing automatically be considered so great? Simply because God said so.

        4. “..God Could have made His followers all agree on who He is and what His core message was. Instead, it’s a bunch of infighting, forging text, and exaggerations”

        Because you never had truth ever established at a global level point blank.

        5. “… I don’t get you Prophets were there since the beginning… where and what beginning are you talking about?”

        Adam(as) was a prophet…claims to have been a Muslim doesn’t know that…

        6. “…you said Allah Knew you before you were born, that will mean you exist before you were born lol or you don’t get it…”

        So using this logic God also revela the future through prophecy does that mean that future currently exists?

        7. ‘…he made Jesus to deliver us from Satan…’

        That makes no sense lol. Why would He forgive people then create another god to be worshipped alongside Him?

        8. “… God spent over 2000yrs talking to a particular nation teaching them his ways, laws etc, other nations can see what God was doing for his people…”

        For one multiple nations recieved prophets not just the Children of Israel but thank you for being a good slave to them as their books says you should be “Hammite”. Also what other nations saw anything? The Jews haven’t been relevant for thousands of years and haven’t had a nation let alone any affect on the world. Literally EVERY nation they have ever been has kicked them out for issues they caused (usually interest related)

        9. “…so over 2000yrs of teaching them something he now spend 22yrs to send outsider to teach them something completely different to what he has been teaching them for over 2000yrs…”

        Lol for one they’ve been wicked since their inception, within a 2 weeks of watching the sea split they worshipped a gold cow. Even right now when they cried for hundreds of years about not having a homeland the moment God gave it to them to test them they STILL don’t rule by the Torah.Next, Arabs are not “outsiders” their also Abraham’s(as) children. Three, according to YOUR theology God decided to mix it up after 3,000 years by suddenly becoming a ignorant human.

        10. “…What about people that don’t believe in God and they still go through the same stuff in different countries?”

        It’s the same answer you moron. Only add on would be “punish certain people for their disbelief”

        11. “I am not sure of which question you are talking about I am addressing what you send but if I miss anything copy and resend the part that I miss”

        ALL this BS you are talking about it is completely unrelated to my inital questions. You’re doing what’s called “burying” to get around the fact that Jesus(as) who you claim is God doesn’t have God’s attributes but you still worhip him.

        12. Your babble

        Yeah none of that is relevant at all to this basic question I asked. Again you decided God switched up randomly whil having no precedence in doing it before. One asked for forgiveness or did some portion of the law. There is no “all encompassing sacrifice” in the entirety of the Torah which shows your theology’s heretical understadnig of Jewish law.

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      9. “LARRY . are you going to heaven with your body or are you going as a spirit?
        STEW The soul will be placed in a new body.

        The body that commit sin is gone but the new body that didn’t do anything wrong is going to hell … hmmm”

        geez….is there even a limit to your stupidity?

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    6. mr.heathcliff

      “I don’t want to assume anything .. so please before I reply to you .. can you tell me what you mean by He could have just forgiven humanity like you know He’s been doing.. How has he been doing it and how did you know how he was doing it? do u have a reference or you assume or is it Quran that told you ?”

      U dumb moronic swine, the gentiles were never told to take part in the hebrew ritual animal sacrifices

      What about the jews?

      Quote
      :

      Hosea 3:4-5(JPT) – 4. For the children of Israel shall remain for many days, having neither king, nor prince, nor sacrifice, nor pillar, nor ephod nor teraphim. 5. Afterwards shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God and David their king, and they shall come trembling to the Lord and to His goodness at the end of days.

      Hosea 14:2-3(JPT) – 2. Return, O Israel, to the Lord your God, for you have stumbled in your iniquity. 3. Take words with yourselves and return to the Lord. Say, “You shall forgive all iniquity and teach us {the} good {way}, and let us render {for} bulls {the offering of} our lips.

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    7. mr.heathcliff

      Hey moron, where did the ot tell the gentiles to go to jewish temple for forgivenss of sins? It never does, so were noahide jews without forgiveness? Quicly google the answer

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  6. mr.heathcliff

    “Lol, for all we know, Hosea could have made up the revelation because he had a thing for Gomer and didn’t want to see her executed for her crime. That’s a plausible interpretation of we follow donkey Larry’s own logic.”

    did you know, as long as yhwh fulfills something for someone, you can have a thing for gomer.

    “Do not degrade your daughter and make her a harlot, lest the land fall into harlotry and the land be filled with depravity” (Leviticus 19:29

    as long as yhwh fulfills something for someone u can have a thing for gomer. yhwh is much of a scum bag like his biblical pimps.

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  7. mr.heathcliff

    “to take on flesh and die for our sins is stupid? ”

    Think about it u moron.
    before your god CREATED adam , he knew that adam would do IRRIVERSABLE damage which would cause him to come down as urinating and pissing man, so what ur god did, he put tree in garden and put in emotions and desires in adam which would cause adam down fall and ur pagan gods judgement by jewish law. Unwise.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      “to take on flesh and die for our sins is stupid? ”

      It is like saying that god has power and dominion over everything yet he still drinks deadly poison because sins are too great to forgive. So how he has dominion?

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        “How has he been doing it and how did you know how he was doing it? ”

        what is your concept of god? Ruler, creator , has power over the universe? Can change heart and minds at will? is able to guide? if yes, then such concept should inform u that god being loving, kind and forgiving is able to forgive without punishing another

        In your religion forgiveness is punishment which makes no sense.

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  8. mr.heathcliff

    “Ok let see what Leviticus says and tell me why is it that God can forgive people by praying without needing Jesus to die and why does He ask for Sin offering by killing a bull?.. ”

    Hosea says offer the bull of prayer, why did your god create an exception? your god never told poor people to offer animal, why the exception? Why adjustable sacrifice? If it was about blood sacrifice , why not start with least expensive , like pigeon?
    Why your ot god so ritualistic like pharisee? If animal blood has power to atone for sins, your pagan jesus becomes useless because animal blood clears sin, but why the ot never says animal blood is the only way and requires things ACCOMPANIED with it like guilt, repentance, and deed of sacrifice? Is ot saying that human DEEDS like repenting, sacrificing and feeling sorrow through demonstration is process which is requirement? So then the BLOOD of animal is USELESS without human works.

    “Or are you saying God didn’t ask for Sin offering ?”

    No, your god asked for a list of human deeds, the offerings were DEPENDANT on a process which involved human actions, they were NOT A NECCESITY like your pagan jesus “sacrifice” is in your pagan religion

    ” if I should listen to you that why did God need Jesus to die and take away our sin.. can you explain why God needs a young bull for a sin offering ? ”

    Can you explain how transfer of sins and punishing another object is forgiveness of sins? How is punishing another and forgiving the same thing?
    Why didnt god say “offer the bull”? Why was this accompanied by a list of things like feeling guilt while watching the animal die? Why if BLOOD already atoned? Why human deeds neccessary?

    “does God eat the meat? Or drink the blood? ”

    Yes, by way of smelling it. Read noah and his burnt offering which gave yhwh pleasing aroma

    “do you know why He needs it? ”

    because he likes smell of berbecue? he likes humans doing sacrificial act?

    “what does he need the blood of the ram or meat for?”

    How could a pagan like u ask this.question.if u were muslim? this sacrifice most likely symbolic for gratitude because of obediance to Gods will.
    Was your pagan god a gratitude offering to show the good in humanity?

    “Why cant Allah just tell Abraham fine I have seen you have good intention… why did Allah have to provide a ram ? ”

    The sacrificial act would be a demonstration of.abrahams goodness. It would also show that humans are not to be sacrificed.
    It is not enough to have just.intention without EXTERNAL works in form of prayer, sacrifice , charity ect.

    Why God create a system where life is taken is a completely different question from a god unable to forgive and planning his weekend self execution.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      “Or are you saying God didn’t ask for Sin offering ?”

      No, your god asked for a list of human deeds, the offerings were DEPENDANT on a process which involved human actions, they were NOT A NECCESITY like your pagan jesus “sacrifice” is in your pagan religion

      ///

      I meant.the animal offerings. The deeds were a neccessity.

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  9. mr.heathcliff

    larry the scum bag wrote :
    “You already answered your own question …. There is nothing anyone of us can do that cant be extra in other to take away the sin of the world….”

    thats not what yhwh says :

    This flatly contradicts God’s own teachings, that we are supremely in command of our spiritual destiny through our actions. See Genesis 4:7; Deuteronomy 30: 11-14, 19-20; Ezekiel Chapters 18 and 33. Also Psalms 145:18.

    GOD “take away the sin” through CREATING RESPENTANCE, OBEDIANCE IN THE THE DEEDS AND HEARTS OF MEN

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  10. mr.heathcliff

    “. There is nothing anyone of us can do that cant be extra in other to take away the sin of the world….”

    your god died for pagan idolatry, knows idolaters are never going to accept him, JUDGES them on day of judgement and sends them to hell, so why did your pagan god punish himself for idolatry, WHERE DID the idolatry go? the idol worshipper is punished in hell, SO what pathetic useless act of “take away sin of IDOLATRY…..” ?

    your god put rape action on himself/punished himself, rapist NEVER accepts yyour pagan god, your god judges him on d.o.j and PUNISHES RAPIST in hell….for what your pagan god POURED rape on himself ? lol

    ITS absolute nonsense.

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  11. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I wish to have power so I can revive and implement the Tradition of Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) as he stated that whoever obeys me will enter Paradise.

    And I wish to get in touch with Emir of Kuwait so we(kuwaitis) can make Kuwait be first Islamic State that is free from innovation, secularism and liberalism. And I wish to get have live chat conference with all Muslim rulers so we can discuss on how we should revive and implement the Divine Laws, because my intention is to make non-Muslim countries such as USA, France, Canada etc. (i.e. to embrace Islam and implement Shariah whole and fully) before Sun appears from West and before death comes to us so we can be raised on the Day of Judgement among true and sincere believers and I wish on the Day of Judgement to make less people who will be raised among disbelievers and hypocrites, how beautiful it’ll be if 97% of mankind and jinnkind would enter Paradise?

    Also, I wish to lead whole mankind to the Highest Garden of Paradise without any Judgement and Punishment, but I don’t know what should I do.

    My questions are:

    1. Is this project: realistic or unrealistic? if it is unrealistic, then why it is unrealistic?
    2. What kind of social society do I need to have in order to get in touch with all Muslim rulers?
    3. If I become a real Sunni Muslim scholar of Islam like Ibn Taymiyyah, would I be granted access to any Muslim ruler?
    4. Also, are there deeds I can do daily so I can reach Highest Garden of Paradise without any Judgement and Punishment?

    Jazak Allah Khair

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      Brothers in islam, i quote:

      Surah 75:3–4, “Does mankind think that We cannot assemble his bones? Nay,We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers.”

      This ayah is indicating that Allah swt is brininging back the very tips which were used on earth?

      I mean for Allah the exalted all things are posible even restoring the “old tips” right?

      Are there any narrations or verses which say contrary to my understanding so i can correct

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  12. Truth seeker

    Is it true that when Muslims entered Afghanistan then hindus, buddhists and other non-muslims were killed and raped by Muslim army? because Hindus use this sentence ‘tumhaare poorwajon ne talwaar dekh kr salwaar utaar di’

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    1. The burden of proof is on the Pajeets. They’re the ones making the accusation, so they need to provide evidence. But since they are known to lie about historical events, this is probably just another pseudo-historical claim to demonize Muslims. The Hindutva thugs like to spread propaganda.

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  13. Truth seeker

    My exam is near and I haven’t studied much so is there any dua or something which can help me achieve 520/720 in my examination. Only two days are left for examination.

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    1. stewjo004

      @Truth Seek

      Rabbi zinee alma (My Lord increase me in knowledge)

      And make sincere dua.

      May Allah who is the All-Knowing master of the heavens and earth increase you in knowledge and make your test easy.

      Also here’s a video on how to study efficiently (tie your camel and all that):

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    2. ” any dua or something which can help me achieve 520/720 in my examination. ”

      I guess you gonna skip chapters….prostrate and ask Allah to guide you so that you study only whatever is gonna come out on the paper, I did that during my A levels and man it was probably a miracle, I was depressed and as a result I procrastinated and studied a few random chapters only the night before the exams, I just put my trust in Allah and good Lord the next day i got the exact same chapters I studied and not one of the questions was from the chapters that I ignored…I’m not asking you to ignore any chapters whatsoever, just try your best to complete your notes but if you feel that you won’t be able to then at least ask Allah to guide you

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  14. mr.heathcliff

    “Shedding blood”

    yeah, in torah an animal which gores its owner is shed.

    a human who does adultery is shed

    If u kill an idolater your act of KILLING atones 4 ur sins.

    An animal carries away sins and is not shed

    animal eat other animal

    Human have been eating meat since garden of eden

    yhwh was not VEGETARIAN at garden of eden.

    he “killed animal” to CLOTH adam says the crosstians .

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      Now question to pig larry

      1. How does an animal cooking under the sun effect atonement? Are sins PHYSICAL? How is rotting of flesh effect atonement?

      2. Why yhwh like pagan ritual so much that he REGRESSED and provided human SACRIFICE???????

      3. Larry said its a “spiritual” thing so why.wasnt.it.DEALT with “spiritually” ? why jesus did “works” to be seen by men?

      4. flesh body is CREATED. blood is created…how does its SHEDDING show the forgiveness of god? How it show gods mercy? THERE IS no mercy, we were ALL punished by having our sins TRANSFERRED., then NAILING jebus….where.is.the mercy? god gave.us all a BLOODY.nose

      5. This is like the shia, they abuse themselves physically and mentally, the crosstian does it mentally and wears crosses made from gold cause he dont wanna live a life of suffering and endure till the end.

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  15. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I wish to supplicate to God Almighty, because I have important requests to make. I want to ask God Almighty To bless Romania with His guidance and bless China, Myanmar and India with His guidance so they’ll become Muslim countries and later on to become Islamic States, so Indian Muslims and Chinese Muslims will feel secure, and Myanmar Muslims to feel secure so they can worship God Almighty.

    And I wish to ask God Almighty To bless me and whole Ummah with great power so we can revive and implement the Tradition of Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings of God be upon him) as he stated that whoever obeys me will enter Paradise.

    And I wish God Almighty To bless me with Iphone 13 Pro Max and Ipad Pro and with success so I can pass the exams of grade 12 which I will give it next year.

    And I wish to ask God Almighty To bless me and whole Ummah with His protection against polytheism and disbelief until our last breath, and To bless me and whole Ummah with good death, and To set us free from hypocrisy and protect us from hypocrisy.

    And I wish to ask God Almighty To not punish me and whole Ummah in grave.

    My questions are:

    1. Is establishing an Islamic State: optional or obligatory thing?
    2. may I know when God Almighty accepts and answers the supplications at moment of Friday?
    3. May I know what are best times where God Almighty most likely answer the supplications?

    Jazak Allah Khair

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    1. stewjo004

      @ alexander

      1. Obligatory for those with the power to do so

      2. Difference of opinion ranging from when the speaker sits to just before Magrib comes in safest thing is just making dua all day.

      3. Tahajuud, breaking the fast and traveling off the top of my head.

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  16. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I don’t like when people call the Messenger of God as pedophile, rapist and terrorist. I feel offended when they do this! It breaks my heart when these monsters are abusing the Messenger of God!

    Can I supplicate for the God of Abraham To Punish severely like no one is punished among the worlds for abusing the Messenger of God?

    Jazak Allah Khair

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      1. Mishal

        @stew
        I have a question. Ya know these debates about aqeedah and the attributes of Allah, etc. How come there isn’t a clear consensus on these issues?Especiallysince affirming or denying the attributes will lead to one’s akhira being effected?

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      2. stewjo004

        @Mishal

        Because it was never talked about by the Sahaba (the very discussion stems from Christianity about God’s attributes when talking about Isa (as)) and the best answer for the lay Muslim is to not think about it.

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  17. stewjo004

    @ Looney Larry

    “I ask @Stew and he ran from it lol….”

    Nobody ran from your retarded question you literally committed a heresy in your religion dumb@$$. Christianity does NOT teach Jesus(as) “powered down” while he was on Earth. So are you conceding you don’t believe in mainstream Christianity?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Looney Larry

      Because you brought me up, your heresy of “powering down” Jesus(as) while he was on Earth (or the “physical realm” as you call it) is what the Council of Chalcedon was about:

      “There are five main truths with which the creed of Chalcedon summarized the biblical teaching on the Incarnation:

      1. Jesus has two natures — He is God and man.
      2. Each nature is full and complete — He is fully God and fully man.
      3. Each nature remains distinct.
      4. Christ is only one Person.
      5. Things that are true of only one nature are nonetheless true of the Person of Christ….

      Jesus Is Man
      It should be obvious that if Jesus is God, then he has always been God. There was never a time when he became God, for God is eternal. But Jesus has not always been man. The fantastic miracle is that this eternal God became man through the incarnation approximately 2,000 years ago…But what exactly do we mean when we say that God the Son became man? We certainly do not mean that he turned into a man in the sense that he stopped being God and started being man. Jesus did not give up any of his divinity in the incarnation…Christ “was not now God minus some elements of his deity, but God plus all that he had made his own by taking manhood to himself.”3 Thus, Jesus did not give up any of his divine attributes at the incarnation. He remained in full possession of all of them. For if he were to ever give up any of his divine attributes, he would cease being God….”

      https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/how-can-jesus-be-god-and-man

      So your pagan “separating” of the mind/body and soul is not what is talked about concerning Jesus(as) in Christianity so go on and keep explaining your idol being ignorant of the Hour and not having God’s attributes you littel heretic, you.

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  18. Hey guys,

    I wish to supplicate to God Almighty while being in prostration in any language, because that’s the best time for supplications to be most likely answered.

    But only problem, I don’t know how to read, speak and talk Arabic as I forgot years ago when I left Kuwait and came to Romania.

    And I wish I can supplicate to God Almighty in Romanian language as I feel comfortable with it mainly because it is my mother tongue.

    My questions are:

    1. Why I cannot recite supplications in any language other than Arabic?
    2. What’s the ruling on reciting supplications in any other language than Arabic while being in prostration?

    Jazak Allah Khair

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Alexander

      You can say your supplications in your language. The spots that are Arabic in the salah are only reciting the Quran while standing, the “transitions” (Allah hu akbar, sami Allah holy man hamidah) and the tashahud (at tie he yatu li lahi….)

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  19. Hey guys,

    I wish to ask God Almighty To bless me with Iphone 13 Pro max and Ipad Pro, and To bless me with ancient Egyptian gold coins and ancient Egyptian gold bars, and Dacian gold coins, and I wish to be blessed with skills in science, technology, engineering and design so I can have fun in constructing super advanced vehicles, machines and devices with futuristic design.

    My questions are:

    1. Is this type of supplication: acceptable or not acceptable?
    2. Am I committing a heinous crime if I love worldly life more than Hereafter??

    P.S. The reason I ask is because, I’ve been told that I must supplicate for only beneficial things and not for non-beneficial things, but I wish badly to be blessed with these things I mentioned, because it’s my hobby to collect ancient gold coins and ancient gold bars with 500 Karatees. And also, it’s my dream to have Iphone 13 Pro Max and Ipad Pro, and Iphone 13 Pro Max will show up this year, and my parents promised me to reward me with Iphone 13 Pro max and Ipad Pro if I only pass the exams successfully.

    Jazak Allah Khair

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      1. Mish'al

        Essentially the argument is that if a complex design requires a creator, that creator in it of itself must be complex enough to create it thus requiring it an origin. I’m kinda paraphrasing here as I saw it briefly on twitter.

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      2. This is called infinite regress. It’s basically the same as saying “if God created everything, who created God”. But infinite regress is nonsense. This is where the difference between something that is contingent vs something that is necessary is important. God is not contingent on anything. He is necessary for everything.

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      3. stewjo004

        @ Mishal

        The issue is they believe Allah is like His creation (i.e. in their mind they think Allah is some old man in the sky) Allah has always existed before time itself. One of His names is Al-Fatir (The Trigger) think of it like if you had a row of dominos and that finger that “started” that process is fatir. Allah has always been the same state, He’s always been Allah, there was never needing to become complex as

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  20. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I wish to offer tomorrow on Duha and Ishraq prayers, but this night will be the first night to offer Night prayer at Last Third of Night.

    My questions are:

    1. How can I offer Duha and Ishraq prayers?
    2. Is there a way of how to offer Duha and Ishraq prayers without getting confused?
    3. Is there a website which helps me to calculate when Ishraq and Duha prayers occure at my own location? If so, may I have it?
    4. How many units of Duha and Ishraq did the Messenger of God(peace be upon him) offered?

    Jazak Allah Khair

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  21. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I really can’t wait to have my supplications answered by Allah Almighty, because I have kept on supplicating to Allah Almighty for something really important.

    Also, I wish to ask Allah Almighty for forgiveness of all major sins of my past

    My questions are:

    1. Is there a remembrance that promises forgiveness for all major sins? If yes, may I know what it is?
    2. Is it regarded as “begging” Allah if I say “Oh Allah! Please, bless me with this or that and I implore You my Lord”?

    Jazak Allah Khair

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Alexander

      1. How can I offer Duha and Ishraq prayers?

      Wait a bit after fajr

      2. Is there a way of how to offer Duha and Ishraq prayers without getting confused?

      These are not different prayers. Ishraq is when you pray a little after sunrise and Duha is when you delay this sunnah between sunrise and dhur.

      3. Is there a website which helps me to calculate when Ishraq and Duha prayers occure at my own location? If so, may I have it?

      On your athan app, it will usually have sunrise on there aso some let you have a notification of duha/ishraq

      4. How many units of Duha and Ishraq did the Messenger of God(peace be upon him) offered?

      2

      1. Is there a remembrance that promises forgiveness for all major sins? If yes, may I know what it is?

      Not that I’m aware of but Allah hu alim

      2. Is it regarded as “begging” Allah if I say “Oh Allah! Please, bless me with this or that and I implore You my Lord”?

      It’s okay to beg Allah as He is the only one who can help you.

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  22. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I wish to hide my sins whether they are minor or major ones including the mistakes which I do, and I wish to hide them from public of the Day of Judgement and I wish my sins to be kept hidden and secret.

    My questions are:

    1. Is it ok for me to supplicate for God Almighty To hide my sins and mistakes from public of the Day of Judgement?
    2. What I must do in order to have my sins and mistakes hidden and kept secret on the Day of Judgement?

    Jazak Allah Khair

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    1. stewjo004

      @ alexander

      1. Yes you’re supposed to hide your sins:

      Narrated Abu Huraira:

      I heard Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) saying. “All the sins of my followers will be forgiven except those of the Mujahirin (those who commit a sin openly or disclose their sins to the people). An example of such disclosure is that a person commits a sin at night and though Allah screens it from the public, then he comes in the morning, and says, ‘O so-and-so, I did such-and-such (evil) deed yesterday,’ though he spent his night screened by his Lord (none knowing about his sin) and in the morning he removes Allah’s screen from himself.”
      https://sunnah.com/bukhari/78

      2. Cover the sins and mistakes of others:

      Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Apostle (ﷺ) as saying:

      The servant (who conceals) the faults of others in this world, Allah would conceal his faults on the Day of Resurrection.

      https://sunnah.com/muslim/45

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  23. Also one more thing I would like to ask.

    I have created an Islamic server which seeks to lead people to Paradise by giving Dawah to people and acting all the time upon Ahlul Sunnah Waal Jamaah, and I’m trying to look for some rules that are with accordance to Shariah, so I can make my server act upon these rules.

    1. Do we have verses and narrations which forbids insulting, giving invalidity and criticism against anything related to Islam whether it is Angels, Prophets and Messengers, God Almighty, Paradise and Hellfire etc.? If yes, may I have it?

    2. Do we have verses and narrations which tells us instructs us to offer prayers and charity? If yes, may I have them?

    3. Do we have verses and narrations which prohibits feminism, modernism and liberalism? If yes, can I have them?

    4. Do we have verses and narrations which instructs us to not break our promises and oaths when we make to someone? If yes, may I have them?

    5. Do we have verses and narrations which prohibits committing polytheism and disbelief? If yes, may I have them?

    6. Do we have verses and narrations which prohibits one from supporting or condoning terrorism and violence?

    7. Do we have verses and narrations which instructs us to bring proof if we are truthful? If yes, may I have it?

    8. Do we have verses and narrations which instructs us what to do during Holy Ramadan and during Arafat? If yes, may I have it?

    9. Do we have verses and narrations which which prohibits listening to music and watching awrah? If yes, may I have it?

    P.S. The reason I ask is because I have created a discord server and this week I’m going to update it and make it look professional and smart, and I wish to give Dawah to non-Muslims. And this discord server will act according to Ahlul Sunnah Waal Jamaah 100%.

    Jazak Allah Khair

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  24. mr.heathcliff

    Larry:

    I’ve done plenty of digging, and no other historical error in the bible is clearer than the biblical author’s lying to the reader in denying David’s sexual infidelity in 1st Kings 1:1-4. The very notion that several adults disregarded sleeping close to the fireplace, or having David sleep with one of his polygamous wives, and thus thought the only way David could cure his night chills was for him to sleep next to a pretty young virgin girl picked at random from the city, is f……. preposterous, and no Christian woman of today would even start to believe a similar excuse if she came home, found her husband in bed with a pretty young virgin girl picked by his friends from another part of town, and listened to him say “I was only trying to get warm, I did not have sex with that woman

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  25. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I feel so happy that I begun to revive and implement the Sunnah correctly just today started. But I don’t understand only one thing about Midday prayer.

    Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) said whoever offered 4 units before Midday and 2 units after Midday, will have protection from Hellfire, and that’s what I did today!

    I have also created a server which it’s goal is to lead people to Paradise without any Judgement and Punishment, because since that’s my goal, I don’t want to be selfish. Just imagine 98% of mankind will be admitted to Paradise without any Punishment and Judgement! And less people who are hypocrites and disbelievers will be in Hellfire.

    I don’t know how to make a segregated server.

    My questions are:

    1. If I offer 4 units before Midday(Dhuhr) and 2 units after Midday, will I be guaranteed security from Hellire? Meaning, I will never go to it when Day of Judgement occurs?
    2. How do I know if my prayers are accepted and valid or rejected and invalid? Are there signs for me to know this?
    3. Can I have a ruling for mixing genders? So I won’t a mistake.
    4. Are there deeds I can do daily so I will not see at all Hellfire when Day of Judgement begins?
    5. Are there deeds I can do daily so I can cross Straight Path bridge with ease and without difficulties?

    Jazak Allah Khair

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  26. Mishal

    Oh Allah I ask you by the means of your prophet peace be upon him to protect us from the heresy of the anthropomorphists. Indeed they are perversed and are the worst of the creation. May you grant us knowledge and understanding.
    Peace and blessings be upon the crowned one peace be upon him and the people of the household and the noble companions may Allah be pleased with them. Ameen.

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  27. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I feel literally offended when Christians love to insult The God of Abraham(Allahu Ibrahim) by calling Him as “best deceiver”.

    And I wish God Almighty would reveal “end time” prophesy to His Messenger something like

    Abu Hurayra reported in a sahih Bukhari that the Messenger of God announced that there will be a young Muslim man who will supplicate to his Lord so Al Hudud shall be abolished and when he will do that, no one will call my Ummah as backward and barbarians.

    My questions are:

    1. Is it ok to have this wish which I described?
    2. How should we deal with arrogant disbelievers who insult The God of Abraham? What should we do in this case?
    3. Why God Almighty did not revealed such prophesy?

    Jazak Allah Khair

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