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  1. stewjo004

    @ Vaqas

    Fair enough argument regarding “Lord” and “King”. I thought about this some more (and lo and behold Mr.Heathcliff beats me to it) there is nothing they’re saying about “the Father” that is not incorporated in Ar Rahman. So I think his answer is the best reply about avoiding certain terminologies and Ar Rahman etc. Most people are actually impressed when I tell them masculine and feminine names as it shows we don’t think of Allah in this manner of a tyrannical old man in the sky (which they do propagate in churches as a Christian convert told me) I would also bring up Allah’s name “Al Wadood” (The Most Loving)

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      salaam3laykum stew

      there was a book called “5 Gospels” by the Jesus Seminar. It was approx 80 scholars going through the NT debating the authenticity of each verse and then they all voted giving it a ranking of authenticity with commentary.
      “the five gospels what did jesus really say?”

      I am wondering has there been any book done like this for the Hebrew Bible aka the Old Testament as well.

      BDEhrman November 24, 2020 at 6:28 pm – Reply
      No. The Five Gospels was very controversial, in part because the small group of scholars who produced it claimed it was now the consensus view, and most of the thousands of scholars who did not produce it did not agree….

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      “after his ressure tion, they APPEARED to maany”

      so are we to believe that the dead saints came back to life and stayed in their tombs until after jesus’ alleged resurrection? what could be the reason they stayed in their tombs? were they respecting the sabbath? I thought jebus done away with the law?

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  2. Mishal

    @ stewjo004
    Thanks for answering my questions, stew. It really helped me. I’m sorry if I was persistent on the whole Mariah thing as I thought that video has some evidence or something that would demolish my faith. It makes a lot more sense that the verse was revealed concerning the honey oath as in that the wives were conspiring against the prophet saw. Even if the Mariah story was true, its not really problematic. The prophet is human after all and he has a right to intercourse with his concubines. Your reasoning is valid and I shouldn’t really take issue with that whole story. Plus the whole story might not even happen, or at least the version these kaafirs are using anyway. What else this hassan guy said in the video. Also how old is the video ie when is it uploaded? This would appear as a odd question but what did his concubines think of the prophet pbuh? Did they have any problems with him etc. I heard he has 4 concubines. Can you verify that please?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Mishal

      Hey, we’re Muslims and we look out for each other. I would rather you ask than let a doubt fester in your mind. Sorry for not being clearer on my answer before.

      Regarding upload time it was in 2018. I would however advise you and any other Muslim to stay away from these sites and videos as they only try to create doubt by any means necessary. Study your Islam from reputable places like the link i gave you as you should never let the kuffar tell you what your religion is.

      In regards to his(saw) concubines yes he(saw) had four but to the best of my knowledge we only know of two of their names:
      https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13344/did-the-prophet-peace-and-blessings-of-allaah-be-upon-him-have-nine-wives-or-eleven

      We don’t know too much about their relationship but Mariah (ra) and Rayhanah(ra) did become Muslims.

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  3. Mishal

    yo stew. Since it seems ya guys are really enthusiastic when it comes to mythology, id recommend you guys watch overly sarcastic productions. They do videos on various mythologies as well as histories in a you guessed it sarcastic style. Also in a QB article, he mentioned briefly that scholars are debating whether or not if neanderthals should be reclassified as homo sapiens. What about the other hominid species like homo erectus,etc?

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      1. Mishal

        thanks man for addressing that and other doubts. You and others really hekped me to revitilize my faith. May Allah all aquainted and bountiful reward you for your efforts and may he ensure success for you, for your family and your friend’s success in this world and in the hereafter. Also i read in a older article that youre planning to write a article on the foretelling of the calipjate in the bible, is the articke already published? If so, link it to me. Also is it just me or is the ” book of the wars of the lord” sound metal as hell? Seriously tho like damn.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Misal

      Yep, the Caliphate one was yours truly. This is a rare case where QB and I differ regarding Daniel(as). He argues basically none of it is true or written later than the events described I take the position like everything in the Bible it is all to be taken with a grain of slt but this prophecy may have been an oral tradition recorded as there seem to be some parallels in Islam and it’s a little too acurate if you get my meaning. I’ll inshaAllah try to take a break from beating up the cruciFICTION and get started on it since you’re curious.

      Regarding Islam, in a sci-fi setting, I know Deus Ex semi alluded to it but I think you can do a lot with it and have played with the idea myself. Would have something like a modern Caliphate either being restored or on its brink to being as one of the factions all vying for the “end of history”

      see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_history

      And would keep it futuristic but still very in the early rustic stages like Aliens or Elysium

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      1. Mishal

        yeah. actually I’m kinda planning on the future to write a book series about a interdimensional caliphate that has United humanity and taken entire galaxies. you can think of that as a end of history kinda deal but the first books will be dealing with events before all that. you can think of this hypothetical series as a wheel of time but except what is for scifi. it’s very ambitious and I don’t think I’ll able to do it but hey it’s fun to imagine. if ya wondering it will start with like a few scifi elements like watch dogs but then as time goes on but will have more scifi elements with a bit of soft scifi as well like star wars with some elements of mysticism and magic. it will also have various characters, factions, etc. again its ridiculously ambitious.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      it is sad news that all of the replies halaby did on slavery against a pagan called “black capital” have disappeared from twitter. did he get banned or did he retire from twitter?

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      1. Vaqas Rehman

        Oh man really?! That sucks. I wonder what happened? Maybe someone can ask br Farid or someone else who was close to him?

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    2. stewjo004

      @ Vaqas

      From what I can tell:

      1. kenoticism- Was forced to take on a less divine role when becoming human even at resurrection was not fully divine

      2. Incarnation- Voluntarily took on a less divine role when becoming human and at resurrection was fully displaying the divine

      If you are confused and would like some more info on this nonsense these books here should get you right:

      https://payhip.com/b/4cwV

      https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13743068/2/The-Prince-Of-Egypt

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      1. Vaqas Rehman

        @Stew

        lol at the links.

        But seriously even from your helpful explanation doesn’t full answer the problem with their theology in this regard. Regardless if it was voluntary or not the person of the son “set aside” and “veiled” some of his divine attributes due to the incarnation. which resulted in things like less divine glory and knowledge being expressed. So as far as I can see their current theology is no different that the heresy. I even asked Ken about it and aside from repeating the same stuff you already read he said

        “The Father did not become flesh / human. The Holy Spirit did not become flesh / human. Only the eternal Son became a man for a time.”

        among other things. I even asked him if ALL the divine persons incarnated would they cease being God then? And he actually said yes! I wanted to discuss it with him further but he said he was busy so we had to leave it there. A shame too cause we were so close to the crux of the matter!

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  4. mr.heathcliff

    “The Father did not become flesh / human. The Holy Spirit did not become flesh / human. Only the eternal Son became a man for a time”

    when they try to argue for being monotheistic, they say that the three non-identical persons share one essence, above the idolatrous pagan is saying that one person is ANOTHER non-identical ACQUIRED essence. This is paganism

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    1. Vaqas Rehman

      @mr.heathcliff

      I agree. Even if they claim to not worship the human nature(which I think is debatable) they still worship the person of the son who obtained a second nature unique from the other persons of the trinity. Hence by their own standards two gods.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        so if the son shares a shared experienced with the other persons and then decided to become a female getting raped by romans,does that mean the son aquires getting penetrated in his experiences? now ask yourself, how the hell is this monotheism?

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  5. stewjo004

    @ Vaqas

    I think they are basically arguing he was not forced to set aside the divine attributes when entering the creation. He just chose to this for no good reason and to confuse everybody (probably on the excuse he had to “experience what humans go through”) Kenot-whatever is saying the act of him entering the creation itself makes it so he has to do this in order to be in the creation period. Like I said before they are basically arguing about if Red Hulk can pick up Thor’s hammer.

    How this doesn’t affect the Father and Holy Ghost Allah hu alim what is in their minds as an aspect of God changed no matter what way they slice it.

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    1. Vaqas Rehman

      @Stew

      I feel like I kinda get but not really. I mean from the sounds of it their spitting hairs when the end result is the same. The person of the son took on a human nature and due to taking on that human nature some of his divine attributes cannot be expressed. Hence less divine and therefore not God or worthy of worship. It seems the same to me yet one is orthodox theology and the other is heresy. Maybe I’m just dumb. Sorry for burning some of your time and brain power away with these musings btw.

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      “I think they are basically arguing he was not forced to set aside the divine attributes when entering the creation.”

      this is where it gets confusing . are the attributes inherent inside the person, if yes, then this means that the person with his attributes was contained. “entry” is part of its being.

      how does a god even have a choice to “set aside” that which “make him ”
      necessary existence?

      and what is this “taking on” flesh? doesn’t the person have human experiences in his spirit ? doesn’t he know what it feels like to go to sleep without a body?

      so yhwh is DEPENDANT on a human body to feel being human?

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    1. Vaqas Rehman

      @Stew

      the seven sound more like modalism to me.

      “Though the Faith teaches that there is a single deity, it has seven “aspects” or “faces”. For this reason, the deity is often referred to as the “Seven-faced God”. In practice, many devotees will refer to the aspects as “Gods” plural, though priests of the Faith will attempt to stress the theological nuance to their followers that there is indeed only one God, the “Seven-in-One” deity.”

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  6. mr.heathcliff

    here is something i thought about. we say ALLAH HU AKBAR

    we can ask, is the composite being called the son AKBAR than the PRE composite being ? i am using ibraheem pbuh argument. is the composite being NUMERICALLY identical to the pre-composite being ?

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  7. mr.heathcliff

    brothers i have an ethical question. israel has stolen palestinian land. if an israeli does an on-line ebay purchase for an electronic torque wrench

    https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-pro236-38-drive-digital-electronic-to/?awaid=3131&gclid=CjwKCAiA7939BRBMEiwA-hX5JwxM8KiYbTYEBq2IEK92AE_GTYLavnv6VbZ4O1MSUjTVmArAY1SN7BoCoIkQAvD_BwE

    is it morally /islamically right for me to send the item to the israeli. the israeli could be anti-israeli or maybe a descendant of the original thieves.

    shall i cancel the transaction, i am thinking about my palestinian brothers and sisters.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        salaam brother vaqas

        if we muslims can prove that jesus had no atomic control or power over “eternal life” (note in garden of eden there is a magical tree which has apples which give eternal life), then speaking mere statements like “thalitha qum” is no different than sending voltage down chest of someone to reactivate heart.

        in the gospels you will see that jesus has no power over “eternal life” even the apologists will say that “jesus was RAISED to eternal life” but is that what the nt REALLY says ?

        akhi, please read this discussion and tell me what you think

        https://old.reddit.com/user/ericbwonder/comments/

        check this guys responses, he is saying that nt write is bsing his readers. when nt says someone came back to life, it does not mean that person has “immortal life” or “eternal life”

        and he making the argument that “eternal life” is not dependant on ressurection since ressurection is not key to eternal life, people in ot didn’t die but still lived.

        whats your thoughts bro?

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      2. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        Great find brother. Honestly I assumed this was always the case with the biblical resurrections shown since if it wasn’t and they were indeed immoral then where are they now in todays age?

        I think this comment is pretty convincing
        “Paul then describes the process of being made ‘incorruptible’ with a clothing metaphor. That which is corruptible must ‘put on’ incorruptibility, and that which is mortal must ‘put on’ immortality. And this applies to both the living and the dead. It’s not any process inherent in ‘resurrection’ that brings this about.”

        But I’m still reading through it so I’ll have to give my full thoughts a little later

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      what does “access” mean?
      is a god who has INHERENT attributes greater than a god who has “unrestricted access” ?
      If yes, then ALLAH swt is AKBAR than all persons of trinity

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      1. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        Access would refer to using the divine attributes whenever you want without any barriers or needing permission from someone else.

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  8. stewjo004

    @Mr.Heathcliff

    I saw your question. Allah hu alim I would say go through with it. That is state on state fighting and has nothing to do with your personal transaction. You don’t know that man, he’s not personally taking anything to your knowledge and could have been born there etc.

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  9. stewjo004

    @ vaqas

    Agreeing with Heathcliff here. It is just who Allah is period. For example, He is “All-Knowing” if Allah “restricted” this even for one second then there would be a time He didn’t know something and thus He can’t take this title for Himself. The moment the SOn didn’t know the Hour FOR ANY REASON, it is no longer God.

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    1. Vaqas Rehman

      @Stew

      That’s what I was trying to get Ken to understand and explain. He just said “oh well the father is still God and the holy spirit is still God” even through we were talking about the son’s supposed divinity. He even acknowledged that if all of the persons incarnated then they would all cease to be God! Yet he still maintains the son’s godship despite him doing the same thing…

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        your argument about yhwh forgiving jesus’ original sin nature is awesome bro, i confused a lot of crosstians with that. I think you should write a short article on it.

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      2. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        Aw thank you for the compliment my brother! But I dunno if I’m qualified to write articles and the like. I’m just happy to be of help.

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      3. stewjo004

        @ Vaqas

        Well, that’s because he’s a stubborn kaffir. The thing is this he acknowledges this act ceases the entity from being God sooooo then how is the Son still God? The other “persons” or whatever the heck they make up are irrelevant in the discussion because the Son did the act and was not All Knowing. The Son simply cannot be divine because it goes against the very nature of who God is.

        Also would love to see the article for this argument of yours on Original Sin.

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      4. Vaqas Rehman

        @Stew

        Like I said I just don’t think I’m qualified to write articles and the like so fear it would only come out amateurish. Besides the argument isn’t too long anyways.

        The gist is this, Christians believe that all humans have a “sin nature” passed down from Adam Alayhis Salam. It is due to this sin nature that Jesus Alayhis Salam apparently had to die for the sins of the world. Because God, in their view, could not forgive us for our sin nature, Jesus Alayhis Salam had to obtain a perfect human nature without sin and be sacrificed to appease God’s justice. The problem is why did Jesus Alayhis Salam not have a sin nature? It would be one thing If God made him from clay like Adam Alayhis Salam but no! He was born from a line of people who have sin natures and should have passed it down to him.

        The only answer that I’ve consistently seen which is also non scriptural is that original sin is only passed down through the father not the mother. Aside again from being completely un biblical the fact of the matter is Eve in their view also sinned! Another answer i have seen is that God simply caused the human nature of the son to not have the sin nature. So if the sin nature wasn’t passed down it can only mean God forgave the original sin of the son’s human nature. Meaning God CAN forgive sin without a blood sacrifice making the supposed sacrifice of Jesus Alayhis Salam pointless.

        I could sprinkle in some more details and occasion link here and there buts really all it is. The fact remains that someone in the linage of the messiah(a.s) had to be forgiven of original sin whether it was Eve, Mary, or Jesus himself(a.s them all). So there’s no reason that what God did for the messiah’s human nature he couldn’t do for us as well. As a side note the only argument I’ve seen in an attempt to counter this is “oh well God can’t do that cause it would interfere with his plan and have all of humanity be born of virgins”. One, it does nothing to solve the core issue of God forgiving the sin nature and putting himself in a kind of sinners debt. Two the idea that in order to forgive the sin nature requires God to incarnate and have a virgin birth pretty clearly is insinuating that the divine nature directly affected the human nature. Which as far as I’m aware goes against their theology of the two natures not mixing but maybe I’ll ask Ken about it later just to make sure lol.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        “My question is does the Hebrew Bible have anything like the 5 gospels by the Jesus Seminar”

        bro, can you add clarification to this question .

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      2. stewjo004

        @mr.heathcliff

        My bad. Basically, there was a book called “5 Gospels” by the Jesus Seminar. It was approx 80 scholars going through the NT debating the authenticity of each verse and then they all voted giving it a ranking of authenticity with commentary.

        I am wondering has there been any book done like this for the Hebrew Bible aka the Old Testament as well.

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      3. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        I also have a question.

        What does scholarship generally think of the verses in the gospels where Jesus is said to predict his own death and reresection?

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      1. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        “i’ll ask ehrmans permission”

        I’m actually worried that he’ll ban you if you ask him that. Personally I say just forward our questions every now and then and show us the answers. Then and leave it at that. I don’t want you to get in trouble because of us.

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  10. stewjo004

    @ vaqas

    Hmmmm it’s an interesting argument for sure (especially since according to ot them Eve sinned first.) The only add-on I can think of is if they say sin passes through the father (need proof for that btw) then they have a bigger theological issue if they hold to the premise. They don’t believe there was a literal “begetting” of God with Maryam(as) so that means for them to hold to this doctrine they have to agree Isa(as) is basically a demigod to have been born in the first place as he has taken “genetic” traits from God and Maryam(as) if they want to say sin “skipped” so to speak just because he was born a virgin.

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  11. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I am literally sick of this life, because I cannot pray for reversal of time, and I cannot increase my life span so I can have enough time to do things which I haven’t done, I was also being banned from two Islamic Discord servers for being bad person, and I cannot even get the diploma of A-Level exam, and I am not successful like Mohammed Hijab and Ben Shabiro are. And I cannot be good debater as I do not have skills in debate, otherwise I could have challenged Ben Shapiro, Ali SIna, Christian Prince, Rob Christian, Sam Shamoun, and others to debate with me to the extend where I can make them trigger psychologically each time I challenge them to the extend where they’ll feel fear of me when they hear that I challenge them, because I want to protect brother Zakir Naik from such enemies, and I would like to be world’s greatest and powerful debater, so I can do in behalf of Zakir Naik, so I can ease his job in giving Dawah, but nah, I don’t have skill in debate.

    If you’re hateful person, and someone asks you what he should take so he can end his life without any pain and in short time, what would you recommend? I really need some good pills which helps me to end my life in short time, because I’m honestly done with this life.

    Also, would I be permanently punished in Hereafter by God(Allah) if I do kill myself or temporary punished?

    Jazakhalakhair

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    1. Vaqas Rehman

      Brother please don’t end you’re life! Its not worth it to look for a permanent solution to a temporary problem! I don’t know the exact feelings you’re feeling but I can surely relate and sympathize. I have depression and anxiety, everyday feels like a struggle, but I still haven’t given up and neither should you. I implore you to seek guidance and mercy from Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala and also to seek therapy and counseling for you’re feelings and issues. You’d be surprised how effective therapy can help. Please I ask you again to not end or even think about ending you’re life!

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      1. I agree with Vaqas. First of all, suicide is prohibited in Islam and the one who does it will be punished in hell in the same way he took his own life. Second, if you are having problems, seek help from your family and if necessary from a trained therapist. Third and most important, I would suggest that you stop spending so much time on social media. Everyone has dreams and aspirations, but you are still young and it takes time and effort. Spend your time learning about Islam and praying, and be patient.

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        i just seen your tweet to Qb

        its worse than you imagine. if we look into the greek, even if jesus was not carried by the “god of this world” jesus WILLINGLY and ACCEPTINGLY received the evil one.

        “Paralambano – literally “to take with.” Can also mean “to receive” or “accept.” This is the same word Paul uses when he says he “received” his Gospel from Jesus. So “take” or “take with,” but can also mean “take” in the sense of accepting or receiving something as in “The Vikings will take the penalty and the first down,” or “I gotta take this call.”

        it almost seems as their is mutual agreement between both parties or reflexive.

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      3. mr.heathcliff

        is there anywhere in that verse where jesus rejected the invitation and temptation to follow satan in that verse. actions seem reflexive.

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      4. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        Matthew 4:5 “Then the devil took Him to the holy city and set Him on the pinnacle of the temple.”

        Matthew 4:8 “Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.”

        Luke 4:5 “Then the devil led Him up to a high place and showed Him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world.”

        Luke 4:9 “Then the devil led Him to Jerusalem and set Him on the pinnacle of the temple. “If You are the Son of God, he said, “throw Yourself down from here.”

        The verses seem pretty clear that the devil took him and had him stand where he wanted. It doesn’t seem like he was just following the devil( and even if he was thats still pretty bad) but actually moved to the location.

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      5. mr.heathcliff

        story is a disaster no matter what way you see it

        jesus agreed to be taken by diabolis
        jesus did not agree, but diabolis had power over him

        so which one is it ? imagine now someone following satan down an ally way !

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      6. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        and when you factor the hypostatic union into it you realize that according to Christians the devil picked up, temped, and showed a vision to their God.

        “but wait the divine nature wasn’t tempted or shown a vision! only the human nature!” then thats separating the natures and it still doesn’t explain the devil moving the hypostatic union.

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      7. mr.heathcliff

        the son is identified as “fully god”

        what they mean is a divine essence

        so divine ESSENCE BECAME fully man and according to CRAIG jesus Lacks human soul

        big disaster

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  12. Mishal

    Hey Alexander. I’ll have to let you know that not everybody can be a great debater like mohamed hijab and others. I know that it hurts to hear all those things about Islam from these islamaphobes but you just have to be patient. Please for the sake of Allah, don’t end your life! It’s a terrible way to end up and in the hereafter it’d be much worse. Listen akhi, I may not know what you’re going through but I do suffer from anxiety that triggers from when hearing those false claims from Islam. But still I remained patient and turned to Allah whenever these doubts festered my mind. Please akhi don’t contemplate suicide and don’t burden yourself of being a great Islamic debater. People with a really specific skill set and personality can effectively be debaters and even then they’re not perfect. Please turn to Allah and try to consult a therapist as it would really help with your condition. Try to take a Internet sabbath once in a while. Go out to parks or places of nature that remind you of the blessings of Allah. Surround yourself with good people with knowledge of Islam and visit your family as well. Having a good support network is really good for one’s mental well being.

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  13. mr.heathcliff

    “What does scholarship generally think of the verses in the gospels where Jesus is said to predict his own death and reresection?”

    Have you counted jesus predictions of his death in each gospel starting with mark, then Matthew, luke and John? I think you will find that the number of predictions increased and also start to begin sooner in his ministry, very soon indeed in the fourth gospel john, with the baptist in the first chapter declaring jesus to be the lamb of god, a sacrificial lamb. Mark has no such early prediction. Let me know what you find when you study the gospels in the chronological order I suggested. The tell me how you see the story growing over time.

    quote :
    It is also interesting that 1 Cor. 15 indicates Jesus died, was buried and rose again on the third day, “according to the scriptures.” Nothing about Jesus predicting his own resurrection in this—the earliest of creeds!

    DrEhrman August 27, 2020 at 7:23 pm
    No, my reason is much more straightforward. I really do not try to begin an investigation with my conclusions. I don’t think Jesus understood himself as the suffering servant of Isaiah for two major reasons. The first is that we have no evidence of any Jew in his day thinking that the passages in Isaiah about the Suffering Servant referred to the messiah. The second is that I do not at all think Jesus anticipated being crucified. Those, btw, are not the views I had going *in* to my studies. I thought just the opposite. It was the evidence that made me change my mind. My view is that it would be nice if more scholars would be willing to examine the evidence while being open to chaning their mind.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      A final, fairly obvious example. The earliest Christians put a good deal of effort into convincing non‑Christian Jews that the messiah had to suffer and die, that in fact Jesus’ crucifixion was according to the divine plan. Why was it so difficult for them to persuade others? Because prior to the Christian proclamation of Jesus, there were no Jews, at least so far as we know, who believed that the messiah was going to be crucified. On the contrary, the messiah was to be the great and powerful leader who delivered Israel from its oppressive overlords. Christians who wanted to proclaim Jesus as messiah would not have invented the notion that he was crucified, because his crucifixion created such a scandal. Indeed, the apostle Paul calls it the chief “stumbling block” for Jews (1 Cor 1:23). Where then did the tradition come from? It must have actually happened.

      Other sayings and deeds of Jesus do not pass this criterion. In Mark’s Gospel, for example, when Jesus predicts that he is to go to Jerusalem, and that he will be rejected by the scribes and elders and be crucified, and then in three days be raised from the dead, he is proclaiming precisely what the early Christian preachers were saying about him. The passion predictions cannot pass the criterion of dissimilarity. Does that mean that Jesus did not predict his own death? Not necessarily. It means that if he did, we can’t establish it through this criterion. Again, in John’s Gospel Jesus claims to be equal with God, a claim that coincides perfectly with what some Christians were saying about him near the end of the first century, when John’s Gospel was written. Does this mean that Jesus did not really make this claim? Not necessarily. It means that the tradition cannot pass this criterion.

      The point is that historians have to evaluate all of the traditions about Jesus so as to determine whether they coincide with the beliefs and practices of the early Christians who were proclaiming them, so as to make some kind of judgment concerning their historical reliability. One of the problems inherent in the criterion, as you might have guessed, is that we do not know as much about what the early Christians believed and practiced as we would like. Moreover, what we do know indicates that they believed and practiced a whole range of things. For these reasons, it is easier to make a judgment concerning a particular tradition when it passes both of the criteria we have discussed (independent attestation and dissimilarity). And the judgment can be made yet more easily when a tradition passes the third criterion as well.

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  14. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, is it ok if I want to join prayers in case I don’t want to offer the prayer on public places(e.g. park, work and school)? Because, I prefer to pray where strangers will not make fun of me, so I’ll be safe from mockeries.

    Also, is it good idea if I reform the teachings of Islam if my intention is to stop violence and terrorism on Islam? Because, I want to give people the chance to praise Islam and not to degrade Islam, and so I can make things easy for other Muslims from around the world who are suffering from Islamophobia. I would reform the teachings of Islam similar to what Muhammad ibn al-Wahhab did, but only this time, I’m going to fix his work so ISIS will be the last of it’s kind.

    Jazakhalakhair

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  15. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I don’t know if I asked this but, is it ok in Islam if I’d like to supplicate for God To reverse the time and change the Shariah Law?

    Also, is there a website of Al Tabarani and Albani where I can quote their fatwas just like there is Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Utheymeen?

    Also, is there a website where I can analyze the authenticity of a Hadith and verify it’s grade and who is the narrator?

    Jazakhalakhair

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    1. @Alexander, done with exams?

      “Guys, I don’t know if I asked this but, is it ok in Islam if I’d like to supplicate for God To reverse the time and change the Shariah Law?”

      We need to talk about this I suppose you’re being serious, first of all change for what and for whom and why?

      “Also, is there a website of Al Tabarani and Albani where I can quote their fatwas just like there is Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Utheymeen?”

      http://www.albani.co.uk/

      “Also, is there a website where I can analyze the authenticity of a Hadith and verify it’s grade and who is the narrator”

      There was a forum but it’s gone, there would be a few people I would’ve recommended but they’re famous and busy now by the Lord’s grace, the best option for you is IslamQA which will help you out if the hadith you’re researching on is very significant…you can also try IslamStackExchange…SalafiTalk forum is good as well

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      1. We need to talk about this I suppose you’re being serious, first of all change for what and for whom and why?

        Well, the reason I want for God To reverse the time is so He can change something from Shariah Law. And I’d like after God reversed the time To Make Rashidun Caliphate to do noble things while giving Dawah to non-Muslims to the extend where they’ll see the beauty of Islam, and I’d like for God To Make Romania to be a powerful kingdom, and To Make my mom be the Queen of Romania of 2020 and my dad who’s Muslim to be the future Emir of Kuwait, because I’d like to have a royal family, and I’d like for God To cause the people of Romania to choose me as future King of Romania and I’d like Romania to be a dictatorship monarchic country where I can as future King of Romania to be able to contact King of Saudi Arabia to chat with me, and I’d like for God To reveal Jihad and “violent” verses of New Testament and To Make in 2020 to be Christian terrorist groups who does evil things in the name of Jesus Christ just like ISIS, and To cause to rise forth many Christian terrorist groups, Hindu terrorist groups, Jewish terrorist groups, Atheist terrorist groups and others as means of proof that anyone can be terrorist regardless of religion until the time when Antichrist will emerge, so people will try to understand us and Islam, so they’ll not see us as bad people. And I’d like to have skills in science, theology and philosophy, and debate, so I can become a famous King of Romania, because I’d like to be a second Donald Trump. And I’d like for God To Make Bible, Torah and Psalms uncorrupted so People of Book will stop complaining to us of being intolerant. And I’d like for God To Make the life span of human to mean 900.000 and my life span to be 900.000 and To increase the young age, and I’d like for God To Make Paradise to be for Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians and Muslims so I can see my mom in Paradise, and I’d like for God To Make my entire genealogy tree to be in Jannatul Firdaus without being questioned, and me in any level of Paradise He wishes. And I’d like for God To guide the Ummah to the extend where non-Muslims despite they see terrorism, to see that Muhammad ibn Abdullah al Muttalib is truly the best role model of all mankind and the Greatest Prophet and Messenger of God and to the extend where they’ll see themselves that he is truly a Mercy of all the Worlds. And I’d like for God To prevent Osama Bin Laden from attacking America and prevent September 11 event from happening.

        This is what I’d like to supplicate

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      2. stewjo004

        @alexanderabood

        Allah wanted these things to happen and it will end up being the most profound outcome in the end whether we live to see it or not. The same thing goes for why Allah put you in the position He did. He loved you so much He put you in the precise circumstances you’re in to get Jannah tul Firdos. Maybe had you become the king you would have been a tyrant or worse a disbeliver. Be happy and grateful because many people on this planet right now have far less.

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  16. Vaqas Rehman

    Another Christian defending the indefensible. The only reason I’m posting this video here is because some the arguments are so bad and un biblical they might make you laugh.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      this guy is justifying that the israelites should have used the sword on their own children because of what they would do in the future?

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      1. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        That’s one of his arguments. I actually don’t have too much of a problem with that one since Khidr(a.s) did the same thing to a single child(albeit not an infant) by the command of Allah(S.W.T) the issue is that view is supported by Quran but not by the bible. The relevant verses
        say the reason why they were killed is clearly laid out in 1 Samuel 15:2

        “This is what the LORD of Hosts says: ‘I witnessed what the Amalekites did to the Israelites when they ambushed them on their way up from Egypt.”

        In other words revenge or punishment on the current generation for what their ancestors did and not the future actions.

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        “In other words revenge or punishment on the current generation for what their ancestors did and not the future actions.”

        yes, this is the only reason given :

        2 Thus says YAHWEH of hosts, ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. >3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'”

        the total depravity nonsense does not exist :

        Saul said to the Kenites, “Go! Leave! Withdraw from among the Amalekites, or I will destroy you with them; FOR YOU SHOWED KINDNESS TO ALL THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL WHEN THEY CAME UP OUT OF EGYPT.”

        the text does not say that the amalekites were wicked or totally depraved.

        it was a grudge.

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      3. stewjo004

        @vaqas

        Good catch Vaqas I read that passage many times and didn’t realize the reason their (alleged) destruction was not due to wickedness as Christians claim but vengence.

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      4. Vaqas Rehman

        @Stew

        Yeah and like how mr.heathcliff showed God apparently spared the Kenites do to their ancestors kindness and not their own righteousness.

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  17. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I’m thinking of creating a new branch of Islam called Salafiyyah Islam which is dedicated to eradicate terrorism, extremism and correct the corrupted radicalism, and seeks also to the most authentic teachings of Prophet Muhammad, and I also seek for new interpretation for Islam, and I hope like this terrorism will come to an end at last.

    Also, should we hide our manuscripts of Quran and hide also our Islamic information from kuffar from knowing so they’ll stop misrepresenting and misinterpretating Islamic teachings, and so they’ll stop spreading hate?

    Is this bad or good idea in order to protect ourselves from being mislead?

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    1. stewjo004

      @alexanderabood

      1. World’s a big global village now there is no “hiding”. This is how Allah set it up.
      2. Hiding makes you look guilty, we simply have to become more knowledgeable about the deen.
      3. You have to study and lift yourself out of ignorance before you can do the same to others.

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    1. stewjo004

      @Mishal

      Ignoring the obvious corruption of the Jew’s text putting it simply the Messiah is a political/religious leader who administers justice on Earth while teaching all nations knowledge of the One true God. So if we use this broad definition yes

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  18. Vaqas Rehman

    Here’s the Talmud on the incident. https://www.sefaria.org/Yoma.22b.8?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en

    (שמואל א טו, ה) וירב בנחל אמר ר’ מני על עסקי נחל בשעה שאמר לו הקב”ה לשאול (שמואל א טו, ג) לך והכית את עמלק אמר ומה נפש אחת אמרה תורה הבא עגלה ערופה כל הנפשות הללו על אחת כמה וכמה

    § Having mentioned the verse about Saul, the Gemara proceeds to interpret more of that passage: “And Saul came to the city of Amalek and he strove in the valley” (I Samuel 15:5). Rabbi Mani said: This means that Saul strove with God, as it were, concerning the matter of the valley. At the time when the Holy One, Blessed be He, said to Saul: “Now go and attack Amalek and proscribe all that belongs to him; do not pity him, but kill men and women alike, infants and sucklings alike, oxen and sheep alike, camel and donkey alike” (I Samuel 15:3), Saul countered and said: Now, if on account of one life that is taken, in a case where a slain person’s body is found and the murderer is unknown, the Torah said to bring a heifer whose neck is broken to a barren valley, in the atonement ritual described in Deuteronomy 6:1–9, all the more so must I have pity and not take all these Amalekite lives.

    ואם אדם חטא בהמה מה חטאה ואם גדולים חטאו קטנים מה חטאו יצאה בת קול ואמרה לו (קהלת ז, טז) אל תהי צדיק הרבה ובשעה שאמר לו שאול לדואג (שמואל א כב, יח) סוב אתה ופגע בכהנים יצאה בת קול ואמרה לו (קהלת ז, יז) אל תרשע הרבה

    And he further reasoned: If the men have sinned, in what way have the animals sinned? Why, then, should the Amalekites’ livestock be destroyed? And if the adults have sinned, in what way have the children sinned? A Divine Voice then came forth and said to him: “Do not be overly righteous” (Ecclesiastes 7:16). That is to say: Do not be more merciful than the Creator Himself, Who has commanded you to do this, for to do so would not be an indication of righteousness but of weakness. At a later time, when Saul said to Doeg: “Turn around and strike down the priests, and Doeg the Edomite turned around and struck down the priests, and he killed on that day eighty-five men who wore the linen ephod, and he struck Nob the city of priests by the sword, man and woman alike, infants and sucklings alike, oxen and donkeys and sheep, by the sword” (I Samuel 22:18–19), a Divine Voice came forth and said to him: “Do not be overly wicked” (Ecclesiastes 7:17).

    אמר רב הונא כמה לא חלי ולא מרגיש גברא דמריה סייעיה שאול באחת ועלתה לו דוד בשתים ולא עלתה לו שאול באחת מאי היא מעשה דאגג והא איכא מעשה דנוב עיר הכהנים אמעשה דאגג כתיב (שמואל א טו, יא) נחמתי כי המלכתי את שאול למלך

    Apropos Saul’s contravention of God’s command to obliterate Amalek, the Gemara observes that Rav Huna said: How little does a person who has the support of his Lord have to worry or be concerned. The proof for this assertion is a comparison between Saul and David. Saul failed with one single sin and it was counted against him, costing him the throne. David, however, failed with two sins and they were not counted against him, as he retained his position. The Gemara asks: What was Saul’s one sin? The incident with Agag, king of Amalek, whom Saul spared in defiance of God’s command (see I Samuel 15:9). But was this his sole sin? There is also the incident of Nob, the city of priests, in which Saul later slew many innocent people, as cited above. The Gemara answers: It was after the incident with Agag, and even before the incident at Nob, that God said: “I regret that I have crowned Saul to be king” (I Samuel 15:11).

    I think I included the full context from the Talmud but feel free to use the link i gave at the top and double check the relevant passages yourselves.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Vaqas

      Lol I think the Talmud made it worse.

      1. Saul basically used textual evidence from His own book against the Daddy about why this is wrong and He basically went: “Uhhh…yeah man don’t be so righteous! What’swrong with you?”

      2. Then Saul follows the orders then gets hit with: “Yo chill.” Like what’s up with all these mixed messages?

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      1. Vaqas Rehman

        @Stew

        My best guess from reading the context is that the order for genocide was for the Amalekites while the genocide Saul later carried out was against believing people for selfish gain. see https://biblehub.com/1_samuel/22.htm for the full context. It is odd that the Talmud writes him as having mercy for the Amalekites when he actually carries out a similar crime later on. Plus i have to say I can’t believe some of the commentators on 1 Samuel 22:17-19 and how they clutch their pears at the violence there yet will defend up and down the Amalekite genocide.

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  19. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, is it halal if I want to recite this supplication:

    “Oh Allah, please Make the Muslim Ummah the most tolerant people on man’s history to the extend where people will see beauty in Islam. And can You please Make all Muslim countries to criminalize in short time pedophilia, child marriage, bestiality, necrophilia, fornication, lesbianism and homosexuality as proof that they were never part of Islam and that Islam is flawless religion? And can You please Make all Muslim countries to allow Freedom of Religion since the Holy Quran says to you is your way and to me is my way? And can You please Make all Muslim countries to treat women equally to men? So people will see for themselves equality in Islam? And can You please Make all Muslim countries to criminalize rape, murder, honor killing, wife beating and violence? So people will see for themselves that Islam is Truly The Religion of Peace, Justice and Equality.”

    What are the conditions masturbation is halal in Islam? And are there any condition where listening to music is halal? Because, my mom who’s Christian was trying to educate me about music and I was arguing with her that music is Satan’s voice and tool, and if Angels of Mercy see a person singing, then the Angels of Mercy will abandon him. And she argued with me back that this is not true and that you misunderstood the text. Should I listen to what she says or keep arguing back? What should I do?

    Jazakhalakhair

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    1. stewjo004

      @alexanderabood

      There is a difference of opinion regarding masturbation and its permissibility. Imo the stronger position is its halal but makrookh if one doesn’t use porn or anything like that.

      Regarding music, for clarification music, itself is not haram (assuming its not encouraging haram) its the instruments in the music for the most part that’s the issue. If it’s a nasheed or an acapella that’s not encouraging haram then for the most part you’re good (assuming also that you take the position like I do that the female voice isn’t her awrah) And Allah hu alim.

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  20. Assalamu alaikum,

    “Oh Allah, please Make all Muslim countries to criminalize necrophilia, pedophilia, rape and bestiality. And can You please Make all Muslim countries to execute the one who commits those things which I mentioned earlier? And can You please Make all Muslim countries to strongly condemn in streets terrorism and violence as proof that violence and terrorism was never part of Islam, so people can see us strongly condemning terrorism and violence. And can You please Make all Muslim countries to practice Freedom of Religion and to allow apostates to live peacefully with condition that they should not commit an act of terrorism. And can You please Make ISIS the last and final of it’s kind in my time? And can You please Make the Ummah of Muhammad be the most tolerant and greatest nation so people will have good and valid reasons to glorify and praise Islam”

    My questions are:

    1. Does this supplication contain anything that is forbidden?
    2. Is there any problem if I make such supplication?
    3. How can I make my supplication be answered instantly?

    Jazakhalakhair

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  21. Vaqas Rehman

    How do we deal criticisms of the skeptics who challenge various things in nature as a counter to intelligent design? The common arguments I’ve seen are either ridiculing things in nature they find weird or ridiculous for God to have set it up that way, such as rabbit needing to swallow their own droppings. Or that certain things seem like an error of nature rather than well designed such as how a babirusa’s upper canines can grow into their skull(albeit rarely).

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      how come the cure for defects is found in the same universe?
      what we perceive as rabbit chewing their own shit is ridiculous, but from a rabbits perspective is ridiculous ?

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    2. stewjo004

      @vaqas

      First had to look up what the heck a babirusa is. SubhanAllah that is a funky looking creature.

      But see this is that emotional stuff athiest do. So if you don’t personally see the wisdom it must be incorrect? But anyway I don’t use this argument because it gives them too many outs and chances for deflections (which imo they are worse than Christians in this regard). The only thing I do is hit them with Allah’s question were you created from nothing or did you create yourself and then grabs some popcorn to watch the fun begin.

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      1. Vaqas Rehman

        @Stew

        Believe it or not their are anti-theists who reject God on the basis of animals being weird looking alone…

        But I just figured I’d bring it up since finding “flaws” in nature seems to be a bit of a go to for them.

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      2. stewjo004

        @vaqas

        It’s a deflection. Nobody wakes up one day and says “because something’s funny looking I have made the decision that…” In my experience athiest basically fall into one of 2 categories:

        1. Have problems with Allah decrees on evil
        Example: My grandma was such a good person who worshipped God why did she get cancer, blah, blah, blah.

        If you read the late Steve Hawkins believe it or not falls into this category. if you read his autobiography he said he stopped believing in God after he got his condition (I believe in his early 20s) and visited India. He basically said he’s doing all this good for humanity while these people do nothing but they still get to keep their ability to walk. Therefore there is no God as this isn’t right.

        So even though he did all that spill and gave all those lectures about the universe and trying to explain 0+0+0=1. THAT up there was his real core problem. The same goes for that clubfreud troll who visits the blog she falls into this as well.

        2. Arrogancehttps://assets.grammarly.com/emoji/v1/1f917.svg
        If one acknowledges there is a higher being who created you the next line of logic is “why and what does it want?” Even though their “shayookh” like Dawkins concedes there is no true “freewill” and everything is cause and effect, their stupid followers like the ability of “being in control”. So that’s why you will see athiest like Thomas Nagel say quote:

        “I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are religious believers. It isn’t just that I don’t believe in God and, naturally, hope that I’m right in my belief. It’s that I hope there is no God! I don’t want there to be a God; I don’t want the universe to be like that.”
        https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/325845-in-speaking-of-the-fear-of-religion-i-don-t-mean

        or this lady:

        “Soon, I didn’t. I didn’t believe there was a God, or heaven and hell. It wasn’t even a choice that I made. I just slowly stopped believing until all of it was gone. Or so I thought…The idea of God pesters me and makes me think that maybe I’m not as devoted to my beliefs as I’d like to think I am and would like to be. Maybe I’m still subconsciously afraid of hell and want to go to heaven when I die. It’s confusing and frustrating to feel the presence of something you don’t believe in. This is compounded by the fact that the God character most often shows up when I’m already frustrated…It’s of some comfort to me, though, to know that I’m not the only one who feels this way. According to a Pew Research Center poll about religion and atheism last year, 8 percent of self-identified atheists believe in God or a “universal spirit.” Not a huge proportion, but considering that an atheist is by definition a person who denies the existence of God, that 8 percent highlights something very curious about belief. If asked whether I believe in God, I would answer with a quick and emphatic “no.” But given that I will send a word up to a proverbial heaven if I’m on a turbulent flight, or silently ask that someone make sure my little niece and nephew stay safe, I can appreciate how some atheists may be inclined to say they believe.
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/02/04/im-an-atheist-so-why-cant-i-shake-god/

        So yeah this is what needs to be focused on. As the brother from the “Dawah is Easy” channel states just keep bringing the topic (no matter what they believe) back to the topic of Tawheed as the rest is just fluff and distraction.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Vaqas

      I see the argument being made, but I would say their tradition is incorrect and Musa(as) received the Torah all at once:

      Allah says in the Quran He “tanzil” the Quran (ex 17:106, 76:23, 20:4) and He “anzala” the Torah and Injeel (ex 3:3)

      Tanzil means like a gradual descent
      Anzala means like sent down at once
      https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/roots/Nun-Zay-Lam.html

      So Allah hu alim but I think the Rabbi saying all at once is correct.

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      1. stewjo004

        @vqas

        Don’t even mention it, it was an obscure thing to know lol. If that didn’t exist I would have added it to the pile. If you’re in this mode, I haven’t had to check this but here is where Rabbi Mort (who I don’t trust because why aren’t you Muslim) says Muhammad(saw) is mentioned. Might give you a few leads:

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  22. Assalamu alaikum,

    I would like to ask God Almighty To Make all Muslim countries to execute terrorists, pedophiles, zoophiles and necrophiles, and to happen that in the name of Islam to the extend where Islam will have good image, and to the extend where Islam will have good reputation. And I really want to ask God To Make ISIS the last of it’s kind and to see the drastic changes in my time.

    My questions are:

    1. Is it ok to make such supplication?
    2. How can I make my supplication extremely powerful to the extend where it’ll be answered instantly?

    Jazakhalakhair

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    1. stewjo004

      @alexanderabood

      The reason his argument in part 1 is horrendous is simple, the ayah that he is using for his evidence from Surah Hajj does not make it binding on the Ansar to fight. If he had done some basic research the Ansar agreed to defend the Prophet(saw) before this ayah ever came down. Notice though I said “defend” this is why at Badr the Prophet(saw) made shura with the Ansar to see if they wanted to fight an actual army as technically they never agreed to that. They of course followed the Prophet(saw) I’m just saying it’s not like they hesitated and then the ayah came down and they said: “oh well let’s go”. They could ave pulled out.

      @ 14:10 for what I said @ 13:10 for context:

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    1. stewjo004

      @alexanderabood

      Yes, it’s fine. However there is a bigger issue, both QB and I have told you several times not to engage with these people as you have not studied enough to answer their stupid arguments. You are not helping Islam by making it seem as if Muslims cannot answer their points.

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    2. “Guys, Christian Prince has humiliated me ”

      He did NOTHING of this sort, you’re still a kid don’t let what he said affect you in a negative way…you’re very young and still learning and every sane intelligent people will understand that…there’s no “humiliation” whatsoever here, all I see is an old “experienced” prick responding to a kid…

      You still have a long way to git gud plus be more patient

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  23. Mishal

    Thanks man for answering the questions. Man there are alot more wisdom to concubinage than i thought. In islamqa, theres this ruling that says that women cant be elected in offices like a caliph or commander etc. Why is it so? I dont have an issue with it its just there are women who can be great leaders so i wonder why this ruling is in effect? I know this may seem like a weird question but is it blameworthy in a case where one owns many concubines?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Mishal

      No need to keep apologizing I am honored I was able to help you in your question. Let me note the concubines first as that’s quicker Allah hu alim I wouldn’t say he has done something blameworthy (as it is halal) but he wouldn’t get as much reward from Allah as say being with his wife.

      Regarding women in leadership, there is nuance and caveat to this discussion. First off a representative (i.e a leader) FOR women is not disputed. We know his because Ansari women used to have a Sahibyat ( I want to say it is Fatima bint Qais(ra) but don’t quote me) be their representative and Umar (ra) assigned female administrators during his Caliphate such as Al-Shifa’ bint Abdullah (ra). We know they are to be involved in shura (consultation) and matters such as that. However, in overall leadership especially in executive decisions, men should lead the charge. This will require some life experience around women but most of this stuff popped up in recent history because of one thing and one thing only…birth control. Prior to this invention women straight up didn’t go to leadership positions because pregnancy was taxing (and even now but much less so…deadly) This really was never even a dispute. Now, you noted there were exceptional woman leaders no doubt but a general rule to follow is you don’t look at exceptions wen following the law (also i would like to even dispute this modern social condition because I am from the USA and I physically heard other women saying they didn’t want Hilary to become the president because she was a woman)

      Women are subject to much more hormonal changes than men and this is why you need life experience. I love my wife, she is smart and VERY business savvy but there is no doubt her memory shot after she gave birth and now she wants to settle. It really is illogical for them to be overall leaders because again this isn’t even counting pregnancy, delivery, recovering, breastfeeding and trying to have a career.

      Note I am NOT saying their opinions should be excluded or they shouldn’t be in politics and this is why I agree with Hizb ut Tahir’s set up for a modern caliphate that they could go for parliament (because that is not a ruler position) but not the caliph himself who is making executive orders and is much more active. That way we can still benefit from those exceptional women and they can have their opinions heard while being able to maintain a healthy family life.

      http://www.khilafah.com/council-of-the-ummah-majlis-ul-ummah/

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  24. Mishal

    wow this makes a lot of sense. Thanks man. Also is the fatwa regarding this issue from islamqa valid? Also theres this video by islam critiqued caled why i converted to islam. I didnt watch the video and heck i dont think he was being genuine. Im not having dohbts from that by the way, but is it actually a genuine revert story or is it just stupid christian propaganda and just him clowning on islam? Can you explain in a little bit of detail on the ” sensual ” natire of the islamic paradise? Alot of people espiecially christians and exmuslims criticisethis aspect of the paradise in islam.

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    1. stewjo004

      @mishal

      I haven’t seen Islam QandA’s position so post the link for me, please.

      As for Islam Critiqued its just a video of him making his punishment in the Fire more painful.

      Regarding the “sensual nature of paradise” the first thing is…so? Unlike Christians, we aren’t scared of sex or think it’s disgusting, it’s a pleasurable thing between a husband and wife. What is there to be ashamed of? Remember religion encompasses everything we do and this includes sex:

      “…He (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Has not Allah made things for you to give in charity? Truly every tasbeehah [saying: ‘subhan-Allah’] is a charity, and every takbeerah [saying: ‘Allahu akbar’] is a charity, and every tahmeedah [saying: ‘al-hamdu lillah’] is a charity, and every tahleelah [saying: ‘laa ilaha illAllah’] is a charity. And commanding the good is a charity, and forbidding an evil is a charity, and in the bud`i [sexual act] of each one of you there is a charity.”

      They said, “O Messenger of Allah, when one of us fulfils his carnal desire will he have some reward for that?” He (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Do you not see that if he were to act upon it [his desire] in an unlawful manner then he would be deserving of punishment? Likewise, if he were to act upon it in a lawful manner then he will be deserving of a reward.”
      https://sunnah.com/nawawi40

      We just advocated for partaking in these natural urges in the way God said to.

      Also, this is hypocritical as the whole lot of them are fornicating adulterers. We live in a hypersexualized society (stemmed from Christian repression of sex in general) so why shouldn’t we be rewarded with something better by God (like the same in food and drink) for still obeying Him?

      We could care less about what they think about heaven as they have the situation confused. Party hard while you’re alive and then worship God for eternity? Na, you worship God while you’re alive and then party hard for eternity.

      Even if you ignore that common sense we have more abstract concepts of Paradise (oh yeah but they don’t mention that part) examples:

      Narrated Abu Huraira:
      the Prophet (ﷺ) said, “Allah said, “I have prepared for My righteous slaves (such excellent things) as no eye has ever seen, nor an ear has ever heard nor a human heart can ever think of.’ ”
      https://sunnah.com/bukhari/97/123

      “Allah has promised the believing men and women, Gardens of Eden with flowing rivers underneath it where they will stay in beautiful and peaceful homes. And greatest of all, they will have contentment from Allah and that is the ultimate accomplishment. (9:72)
      (Notice Allah mentioned contentment that even many rich people don’t have)

      But some people are not abstract thinkers like that, they need a more tangible understanding which is why Allah revealed certain easy to understand things like food, clothing and sex. But even then Allah says about that:

      “and congratulate those who believe and do good, because there are Gardens with flowing rivers underneath for them. Every time they’re provided fruit from it, they’ll say: “This is what we were fed with before…” as they will be given things from there that appear similar. And they’ll have along with this, pure spouses and will stay there for all eternity…” (2:25)

      Notice when the people see what’s in Jannah they’ll think its the same but it only has a similar appearance. But anyway long story short these people have life confused and are sexually frustrated.

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  25. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I would like to say that I was born with Asperger, Autism, Di George and ADHD syndromes which is why I believe they make me to be rebellious and aggressive by nature, and because of them I cannot offer the x5 daily prayers, and because of them, now I have strong anxiety and depression which leads me to be Agnostic Muslim and I feel disgusted at myself for being Agnostic Muslim instead of being Yaqeen Muslim, and I even got accused many times by people of being a troll….

    My questions are:

    1. Since it is hard for me to redirect my obsession to studies, would I be excused for doing suicide in Hereafter if I cannot handle those syndromes?
    2. Will I be punished in Hereafter if I don’t pray while my excuse is that I have Asperger, ADHD, Autism and Di George syndromes?

    P.S. The reason for doing suicide is because I find it impossible for me to redirect my obsession to that which makes me to be like Albert Einstein. I don’t know how much I can handle the syndromes, I simply lost all my patience. My obsession right now is on how I can exterminate ISIS and make it be the last of it’s kind and reforming so violence, extremism and terrorism will never happen again, and I was given this suggestion from some Christians what I can do, and I find it difficult task for me to do this as I don’t think I will be able to do this since I have no chance of going to University of Political Science so I can be the Speaker of the Parliament of Kuwait, and I cannot even be the President of Romania.

    Jazakhalakhair

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  26. Mishal

    hey guys even though ive said before that i dont have any doubts, i wanna ask of you something so that my heart can be at ease. What are the non muslim opinions on the preservation of the quran and sunnah. Please quote reliable scholarly opinions and make sure they are themselves non muslim ( if theyre atheists along as their reputable and honest with credibility, you can quote them). Also what is modern scholarships opinion on the allegations made my these christian apologists like david wood, IC and Cpussy. Make sure they are respected and are reputable as well. Jazakallahu khair.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Mishal

      Actually, this is a perfect lesson here. This is Barth Ehrman one of the better scholars in North America on Biblical textual criticism on the Quran(btw an agnostic):

      As you saw he clearly states @0:49 there’s nothing to do regarding textual criticism of the Quran as the manuscripts are too similar. Now onto the same channels you’ll see Christian missionaries taking a (poor) joke he made and say “even Ehrman knows the Quran has been changed but is too scared to say out of fear of being killed”:

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      1. Mishal

        i mean like i think its meant to imppy the fact that theres not much to say about textual criticism of the quran which making an entire book about is a bit unnecessary or idk maybe hes just saying that making a book on the topic would be time consuming. Anyways, what is modern scholarship’s opinion om the allegations put forth by these apologists like david wood, IC, Cpussy and jay smith? Make sure you quote a few scholars and make sure to mention some of the allegations too. Also who is paul williams? Is he a muslim?

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      2. What I don’t get about the question is what makes you think that actual scholars have even wasted their time with the claims of pseudo-scholars like the ones you mentioned? And why are the views of Islamic scholars not even requested?

        The Christian idiots you mentioned still don’t understand the concept of ahruf and qiraat, while they try to make it appear to their fans as if the ahruf and qiraat were hidden in a mass conspiracy by Muslims. What makes you think any scholar would take Jay Smith seriously? The guy thinks that there was a conspiracy by Muslims to throw all non-Hafs Qurans into the Nile in 1924.

        My point is why do you spend so much time thinking about the views of people who have no credibility on the subject? I’m not a doctor. Would you waste your time listening to me give you medical advice?

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      3. stewjo004

        @Mishal

        It’s like what QB said most scholars don’t respond to these people because they themselves are not scholars nor is their work what is called “peer-reviewed”. They are just making claims because they know their stupid audience won’t fact check as they themselves don’t even understand the subject.

        I have seen them get refuted the ONLY time I have ever seen one of them have the nuts to go for a peer review and that shame goes to Dan Gibson(another missionary who Jay Smith is quoting) when he tried to get his research some accreditation:

        https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330221815_King_The_Petra_fallacy_The_Petra_fallacy_-_Early_mosques_do_face_the_Sacred_Kaaba_in_Mecca_but_Dan_Gibson_doesn't_know_how_Comparing_historical_orientations_with_modern_directions_can_lead_to_false_re

        As for Williams, he flips flops every other week. I think he is claiming Islam now but if he hasn’t recanted his views of alleged superiority over black and Pakistani people then it is irrelevant and cancels the claim as this is what is known as “asabiyah” (nationalism, tribalism) and it nullifies ones Islam:

        https://islamqa.info/en/answers/97732/ruling-on-arab-nationalism-and-undermining-the-position-of-the-prophet-peace-and-blessings-of-allaah-be-upon-him

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  27. mr.heathcliff

    quote:
    Kavi considers the observing of the Sabbath as nothing more than legalism, all form and no substance. Though I am the least capable of writing about Shabbat, I would like to address his view on the matter. (I am least capable, because, as a ben Noach, I do not keep Shabbat.) I plan to write a few pieces on this, hopefully today. This first will be a parable.

    Kavi considers the laws of Shabbat to be empty. He writes disdainfully of those that keep halacha, while praising himself for having the true message of the Sabbath. Those that observe the Torah are self-righteous, but not Kavi, because he is above the law.

    He is like a certain man who did not believe that the laws of the road need be followed. He realized that the laws were generally designed for safety, and he concluded that all that was required was to drive safely.

    One day, as he came into a school zone, he was stopped by a police officer. The man rolled his eyes, wondering for what nonsense he would be harassed. After all, he had not hit anybody or anything with his vehicle. When the police officer approached the vehicle, he was informed that he was doing 35 mph, that he had turned without signaling, that he had not stopped at a stop sign, and that he did not have his seatbelt on, all of which are traffic violations. The man replied that he knows all that. But even though he was in a school zone, the children were far enough from the road that he deemed 35 mph to be a safe speed. When he turned without signaling, he could see that other traffic was far enough away that it would have made no difference to them, which was also the reason he did not stop at the stop sign. And as for the seatbelt, he felt safe enough without it.

    As one might expect, the police officer was surprised by this response. He tried to explain that the man was correct that one should be safety-minded but that these laws were meant to promote not just an attitude of safety but safety itself. He tried to explain also that laws are not accepted individually but apply to a community. When each member of the community follows the same rules of the road, they know what to expect from one another and harmony is promoted. The man was unmoved by the police officer’s response.

    “Legalist!” the motorist shouted. “All you care about is your own self-righteousness! You disgust me!”

    Lest the reader be wondering if the officer let him off with a warning: the driver received a ticket.

    /////

    interesting perspective, thats the crosstian relationship with the ot, isnt it?

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    1. Vaqas Rehman

      @mr.heathcliff

      When you have the time and if its not too much trouble I have another question I’d like to ask of Erhman.

      Is it true that modern scholarship believes that the earliest Christians worshiped Christ as deity? I heard it claimed that by using the earliest strands of tradition – James 2:1, 1 Corinthians 2:8; Philippians 2:5-8 and the gospel of Mark- that we can determine the early Christians considered Jesus God and that such was the opinion of modern scholarship. Are we also able to conclude whether such a view was held by Jesus’s disciples?

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        according to ehrman, none of the passages you quoted , make jesus numerically identical to yhwh. ehrman asks “in what sense was one divine”

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      2. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        That’s very interesting. I asked cause in my conversations with Ken those were the texts he used and claimed proved to modern scholars that Jesus Alayhis salam was God to early Christians.

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      3. Vaqas Rehman

        sorry but I don’t see it. Do you think you could send it again? So sorry for the trouble and thank you for all your help!

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      4. Vaqas Rehman

        To clarify I don’t mean sending the question again I meant sending it to my email when you got the answer. sorry for the confusion.

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      5. mr.heathcliff

        Here is 1 Corinthians 6:1-3 from the NRSV:

        6:1 When any of you has a grievance against another, do you dare to take it to court before the unrighteous, instead of taking it before the saints? 2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels—to say nothing of ordinary matters?

        Writing for The Jewish Annotated New Testament, Shira L. Lander says the following about 1 Corinthians 6:2-3:

        2. Judge, i.e., in the final judgment (see LXX Dan 7.22; Wis 3.8; 9.12; Sir 4.15 1QpHab 5.4). In some Jewish accounts, Israel judges the Gentiles (Jub. 32.19; T.Abr. 13.6; see also Dan 7:21-22…

        3: Angels are subject to the saints’ judgment (Dan 4.14; 2 Pet 2.4; Jude 1.6-15; 1 En 14.21-24; 15;19;21; 41.9; 46.7; y. Shabb. 6.10 [8d]; b. Sanh. 38b).

        ////
        whats your thoughts on this bro? paul judging supernatural entities?

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      6. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        Huh thats very interesting. seems like he expanded the whole siting on thrones and judging along side Jesus alayhis salam in Matthew 19:28 and Luke 22:30. The commentaries seem to disagree on whether its all angels or just the fallen ones but yeah that seems like what he’s going for.

        Also for QB I think you’ll like the commentary verse 2 by Ellicott’s Commentary for English Readers.

        “Bearing in mind the deep conviction of the early Church that the second personal advent of Christ was near at hand, we may take these words as referring primarily to the conquest of the world by Christianity, which has since been accomplished, though by slower and more spiritual processes than were then anticipated, and indirectly to that final triumph of Christ and His body, the Church, of which every success here on earth is at once the type and the pledge.”

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  28. Mishal

    Im going to pour out whats on my mind lately so that you guys may understand. What makes you guys think that tradition islamic scholarship is any different from any other schoparship like the biblical one? Who is to say that the quran isnt preserved and that it has been revised? What if we are just grasping at straws and just using wishful thinking like the christains? What if theres some heretic who inserted his own ideas into the religion and later scholars kinda ran with it? What about at the time of abu bakr ra when there were a bunch of heretics going around andwhat if some heretic imported ideas from other religions into the religion? Whos to say that the ideas in islam werent imported or incorporated from other religions and cultures when islam expanded and conqeured other peoples? We could just be ignoring other scholars who propose other theories of how islam formed that actually has some credibility. Im saying all these as doubts and questions, i really dont want any of these claims to be true but theres this voice in my head that kept on nagging me, saying that atleats one of these claims are true.

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  29. Mishal

    What also makes you think that tbis religion is any different from other religions? Other proponents of religions also think that what theyre following is the truth and that their scripture is the word of God. They also think this religion is preserved in its original form and the scripture is not changed. What makes us no different from the christians, jews, etc.?

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  30. Mishal

    what makes thsi religion any different? Other religions’s followers think that their religion is the truth, their leaders are role models, their scripture is preserved and that the original principles havent been distorted. How is the quran different from the bible, the torah and the vedas even? Im sorry if i sound like a kaafir but these questions had been festering for a while. Jazakallahu khair.

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  31. stewjo004

    @ Mishal
    Down the line:

    1. What makes you guys think that tradition islamic scholarship is any different from any other schoparship like the biblical one?

    The only reason you asked that question is you have never seen our scholarship. Kuffar scholarship just makes assumptions (seriously just examine the number of theories on who they think Jesus(as) by himself is:
    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

    The reality is the entire environmental set up of the two religions is two different animals. The main ones being unlike their religion we:

    A. Know who wrote our stuff
    B. From a historical standpoint, Muhammad’s(saw) disciples actually ruled the country as opposed to Christianity where everything was done in secret
    C. We didn’t have as many religious splits.

    2. Who is to say that the quran isnt preserved and that it has been revised?

    A.Because nobody in scholarship argues it
    B. We have early manuscripts with a complete Quran in less than 100 years of the Prophet’s(saw) death.
    C. Keep in mind this is not our primary mode of preservation (it’s actually oral) and we’re still creaming most ancient documents.
    D. Islamic culture encourages memorization of the text. Again the bare basic Muslim is going to memorize a minimum of 3 suwar just to make salah.
    E. YOU yourself physically witness this EVERY year during Ramadan at Tarweeh when they bring a hafiz in. You’re acting like this is some ancient tradition when we have a ridiculous number of hafiz (heck my mother in law is one)

    3. What about at the time of abu bakr ra when there were a bunch of heretics going around andwhat if some heretic imported ideas from other religions into the religion? Whos to say that the ideas in islam werent imported or incorporated from other religions and cultures when islam expanded and conqeured other peoples

    A. Are you talking about that time he won the war against them and for the most part killed them all?
    B. Because there is no historical proof for that and again the disciples of Muhammad(saw) were alive, teaching and ruling during the conquest era.

    4. What also makes you think that tbis religion is any different from other religions? Other proponents of religions also think that what theyre following is the truth and that their scripture is the word of God. They also think this religion is preserved in its original form and the scripture is not changed. What makes us no different from the christians, jews, etc.?

    Simply go study other religions. For one to my knowledge, Islam is the only religion that says God is the direct verbatim author of the text (i.e. the entire thing is written in 1st person from God’s perspective) Two many religions can’t answer nitty gritty questions like “what was happening to other people in the world before your religion was founded?” And what makes us different to the Christians and Jews is we have clear cut documented evidence that their text has been changed.

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  32. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I have been born with Asperger and Autism syndromes. And because of them, I become rebellious, aggressive, perverted, abusive, obsessive, suicidal and depressive. And because of it, I started to even not to pray but extremely rare I pray, and to even rebel against my own family!

    My question is that do people with Autism and Asperger get to Paradise without reckoning? Or they’ll be tested? What will be my fate?

    Jazakhalakhair

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