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  1. stewjo004

    @ Vaqas

    Fair enough argument regarding “Lord” and “King”. I thought about this some more (and lo and behold Mr.Heathcliff beats me to it) there is nothing they’re saying about “the Father” that is not incorporated in Ar Rahman. So I think his answer is the best reply about avoiding certain terminologies and Ar Rahman etc. Most people are actually impressed when I tell them masculine and feminine names as it shows we don’t think of Allah in this manner of a tyrannical old man in the sky (which they do propagate in churches as a Christian convert told me) I would also bring up Allah’s name “Al Wadood” (The Most Loving)

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  2. Mishal

    @ stewjo004
    Thanks for answering my questions, stew. It really helped me. I’m sorry if I was persistent on the whole Mariah thing as I thought that video has some evidence or something that would demolish my faith. It makes a lot more sense that the verse was revealed concerning the honey oath as in that the wives were conspiring against the prophet saw. Even if the Mariah story was true, its not really problematic. The prophet is human after all and he has a right to intercourse with his concubines. Your reasoning is valid and I shouldn’t really take issue with that whole story. Plus the whole story might not even happen, or at least the version these kaafirs are using anyway. What else this hassan guy said in the video. Also how old is the video ie when is it uploaded? This would appear as a odd question but what did his concubines think of the prophet pbuh? Did they have any problems with him etc. I heard he has 4 concubines. Can you verify that please?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Mishal

      Hey, we’re Muslims and we look out for each other. I would rather you ask than let a doubt fester in your mind. Sorry for not being clearer on my answer before.

      Regarding upload time it was in 2018. I would however advise you and any other Muslim to stay away from these sites and videos as they only try to create doubt by any means necessary. Study your Islam from reputable places like the link i gave you as you should never let the kuffar tell you what your religion is.

      In regards to his(saw) concubines yes he(saw) had four but to the best of my knowledge we only know of two of their names:
      https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13344/did-the-prophet-peace-and-blessings-of-allaah-be-upon-him-have-nine-wives-or-eleven

      We don’t know too much about their relationship but Mariah (ra) and Rayhanah(ra) did become Muslims.

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  3. Mishal

    yo stew. Since it seems ya guys are really enthusiastic when it comes to mythology, id recommend you guys watch overly sarcastic productions. They do videos on various mythologies as well as histories in a you guessed it sarcastic style. Also in a QB article, he mentioned briefly that scholars are debating whether or not if neanderthals should be reclassified as homo sapiens. What about the other hominid species like homo erectus,etc?

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      1. Mishal

        thanks man for addressing that and other doubts. You and others really hekped me to revitilize my faith. May Allah all aquainted and bountiful reward you for your efforts and may he ensure success for you, for your family and your friend’s success in this world and in the hereafter. Also i read in a older article that youre planning to write a article on the foretelling of the calipjate in the bible, is the articke already published? If so, link it to me. Also is it just me or is the ” book of the wars of the lord” sound metal as hell? Seriously tho like damn.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Misal

      Yep, the Caliphate one was yours truly. This is a rare case where QB and I differ regarding Daniel(as). He argues basically none of it is true or written later than the events described I take the position like everything in the Bible it is all to be taken with a grain of slt but this prophecy may have been an oral tradition recorded as there seem to be some parallels in Islam and it’s a little too acurate if you get my meaning. I’ll inshaAllah try to take a break from beating up the cruciFICTION and get started on it since you’re curious.

      Regarding Islam, in a sci-fi setting, I know Deus Ex semi alluded to it but I think you can do a lot with it and have played with the idea myself. Would have something like a modern Caliphate either being restored or on its brink to being as one of the factions all vying for the “end of history”

      see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_history

      And would keep it futuristic but still very in the early rustic stages like Aliens or Elysium

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      1. Mishal

        yeah. actually I’m kinda planning on the future to write a book series about a interdimensional caliphate that has United humanity and taken entire galaxies. you can think of that as a end of history kinda deal but the first books will be dealing with events before all that. you can think of this hypothetical series as a wheel of time but except what is for scifi. it’s very ambitious and I don’t think I’ll able to do it but hey it’s fun to imagine. if ya wondering it will start with like a few scifi elements like watch dogs but then as time goes on but will have more scifi elements with a bit of soft scifi as well like star wars with some elements of mysticism and magic. it will also have various characters, factions, etc. again its ridiculously ambitious.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      it is sad news that all of the replies halaby did on slavery against a pagan called “black capital” have disappeared from twitter. did he get banned or did he retire from twitter?

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      1. Vaqas Rehman

        Oh man really?! That sucks. I wonder what happened? Maybe someone can ask br Farid or someone else who was close to him?

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    2. stewjo004

      @ Vaqas

      From what I can tell:

      1. kenoticism- Was forced to take on a less divine role when becoming human even at resurrection was not fully divine

      2. Incarnation- Voluntarily took on a less divine role when becoming human and at resurrection was fully displaying the divine

      If you are confused and would like some more info on this nonsense these books here should get you right:

      https://payhip.com/b/4cwV

      https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13743068/2/The-Prince-Of-Egypt

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      1. Vaqas Rehman

        @Stew

        lol at the links.

        But seriously even from your helpful explanation doesn’t full answer the problem with their theology in this regard. Regardless if it was voluntary or not the person of the son “set aside” and “veiled” some of his divine attributes due to the incarnation. which resulted in things like less divine glory and knowledge being expressed. So as far as I can see their current theology is no different that the heresy. I even asked Ken about it and aside from repeating the same stuff you already read he said

        “The Father did not become flesh / human. The Holy Spirit did not become flesh / human. Only the eternal Son became a man for a time.”

        among other things. I even asked him if ALL the divine persons incarnated would they cease being God then? And he actually said yes! I wanted to discuss it with him further but he said he was busy so we had to leave it there. A shame too cause we were so close to the crux of the matter!

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  4. mr.heathcliff

    “The Father did not become flesh / human. The Holy Spirit did not become flesh / human. Only the eternal Son became a man for a time”

    when they try to argue for being monotheistic, they say that the three non-identical persons share one essence, above the idolatrous pagan is saying that one person is ANOTHER non-identical ACQUIRED essence. This is paganism

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    1. Vaqas Rehman

      @mr.heathcliff

      I agree. Even if they claim to not worship the human nature(which I think is debatable) they still worship the person of the son who obtained a second nature unique from the other persons of the trinity. Hence by their own standards two gods.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        so if the son shares a shared experienced with the other persons and then decided to become a female getting raped by romans,does that mean the son aquires getting penetrated in his experiences? now ask yourself, how the hell is this monotheism?

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  5. stewjo004

    @ Vaqas

    I think they are basically arguing he was not forced to set aside the divine attributes when entering the creation. He just chose to this for no good reason and to confuse everybody (probably on the excuse he had to “experience what humans go through”) Kenot-whatever is saying the act of him entering the creation itself makes it so he has to do this in order to be in the creation period. Like I said before they are basically arguing about if Red Hulk can pick up Thor’s hammer.

    How this doesn’t affect the Father and Holy Ghost Allah hu alim what is in their minds as an aspect of God changed no matter what way they slice it.

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    1. Vaqas Rehman

      @Stew

      I feel like I kinda get but not really. I mean from the sounds of it their spitting hairs when the end result is the same. The person of the son took on a human nature and due to taking on that human nature some of his divine attributes cannot be expressed. Hence less divine and therefore not God or worthy of worship. It seems the same to me yet one is orthodox theology and the other is heresy. Maybe I’m just dumb. Sorry for burning some of your time and brain power away with these musings btw.

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      “I think they are basically arguing he was not forced to set aside the divine attributes when entering the creation.”

      this is where it gets confusing . are the attributes inherent inside the person, if yes, then this means that the person with his attributes was contained. “entry” is part of its being.

      how does a god even have a choice to “set aside” that which “make him ”
      necessary existence?

      and what is this “taking on” flesh? doesn’t the person have human experiences in his spirit ? doesn’t he know what it feels like to go to sleep without a body?

      so yhwh is DEPENDANT on a human body to feel being human?

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    1. Vaqas Rehman

      @Stew

      the seven sound more like modalism to me.

      “Though the Faith teaches that there is a single deity, it has seven “aspects” or “faces”. For this reason, the deity is often referred to as the “Seven-faced God”. In practice, many devotees will refer to the aspects as “Gods” plural, though priests of the Faith will attempt to stress the theological nuance to their followers that there is indeed only one God, the “Seven-in-One” deity.”

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  6. mr.heathcliff

    here is something i thought about. we say ALLAH HU AKBAR

    we can ask, is the composite being called the son AKBAR than the PRE composite being ? i am using ibraheem pbuh argument. is the composite being NUMERICALLY identical to the pre-composite being ?

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  7. mr.heathcliff

    brothers i have an ethical question. israel has stolen palestinian land. if an israeli does an on-line ebay purchase for an electronic torque wrench

    https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-pro236-38-drive-digital-electronic-to/?awaid=3131&gclid=CjwKCAiA7939BRBMEiwA-hX5JwxM8KiYbTYEBq2IEK92AE_GTYLavnv6VbZ4O1MSUjTVmArAY1SN7BoCoIkQAvD_BwE

    is it morally /islamically right for me to send the item to the israeli. the israeli could be anti-israeli or maybe a descendant of the original thieves.

    shall i cancel the transaction, i am thinking about my palestinian brothers and sisters.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        salaam brother vaqas

        if we muslims can prove that jesus had no atomic control or power over “eternal life” (note in garden of eden there is a magical tree which has apples which give eternal life), then speaking mere statements like “thalitha qum” is no different than sending voltage down chest of someone to reactivate heart.

        in the gospels you will see that jesus has no power over “eternal life” even the apologists will say that “jesus was RAISED to eternal life” but is that what the nt REALLY says ?

        akhi, please read this discussion and tell me what you think

        https://old.reddit.com/user/ericbwonder/comments/

        check this guys responses, he is saying that nt write is bsing his readers. when nt says someone came back to life, it does not mean that person has “immortal life” or “eternal life”

        and he making the argument that “eternal life” is not dependant on ressurection since ressurection is not key to eternal life, people in ot didn’t die but still lived.

        whats your thoughts bro?

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      2. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        Great find brother. Honestly I assumed this was always the case with the biblical resurrections shown since if it wasn’t and they were indeed immoral then where are they now in todays age?

        I think this comment is pretty convincing
        “Paul then describes the process of being made ‘incorruptible’ with a clothing metaphor. That which is corruptible must ‘put on’ incorruptibility, and that which is mortal must ‘put on’ immortality. And this applies to both the living and the dead. It’s not any process inherent in ‘resurrection’ that brings this about.”

        But I’m still reading through it so I’ll have to give my full thoughts a little later

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      what does “access” mean?
      is a god who has INHERENT attributes greater than a god who has “unrestricted access” ?
      If yes, then ALLAH swt is AKBAR than all persons of trinity

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      1. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        Access would refer to using the divine attributes whenever you want without any barriers or needing permission from someone else.

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  8. stewjo004

    @Mr.Heathcliff

    I saw your question. Allah hu alim I would say go through with it. That is state on state fighting and has nothing to do with your personal transaction. You don’t know that man, he’s not personally taking anything to your knowledge and could have been born there etc.

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  9. stewjo004

    @ vaqas

    Agreeing with Heathcliff here. It is just who Allah is period. For example, He is “All-Knowing” if Allah “restricted” this even for one second then there would be a time He didn’t know something and thus He can’t take this title for Himself. The moment the SOn didn’t know the Hour FOR ANY REASON, it is no longer God.

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    1. Vaqas Rehman

      @Stew

      That’s what I was trying to get Ken to understand and explain. He just said “oh well the father is still God and the holy spirit is still God” even through we were talking about the son’s supposed divinity. He even acknowledged that if all of the persons incarnated then they would all cease to be God! Yet he still maintains the son’s godship despite him doing the same thing…

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        your argument about yhwh forgiving jesus’ original sin nature is awesome bro, i confused a lot of crosstians with that. I think you should write a short article on it.

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      2. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        Aw thank you for the compliment my brother! But I dunno if I’m qualified to write articles and the like. I’m just happy to be of help.

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      3. stewjo004

        @ Vaqas

        Well, that’s because he’s a stubborn kaffir. The thing is this he acknowledges this act ceases the entity from being God sooooo then how is the Son still God? The other “persons” or whatever the heck they make up are irrelevant in the discussion because the Son did the act and was not All Knowing. The Son simply cannot be divine because it goes against the very nature of who God is.

        Also would love to see the article for this argument of yours on Original Sin.

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      4. Vaqas Rehman

        @Stew

        Like I said I just don’t think I’m qualified to write articles and the like so fear it would only come out amateurish. Besides the argument isn’t too long anyways.

        The gist is this, Christians believe that all humans have a “sin nature” passed down from Adam Alayhis Salam. It is due to this sin nature that Jesus Alayhis Salam apparently had to die for the sins of the world. Because God, in their view, could not forgive us for our sin nature, Jesus Alayhis Salam had to obtain a perfect human nature without sin and be sacrificed to appease God’s justice. The problem is why did Jesus Alayhis Salam not have a sin nature? It would be one thing If God made him from clay like Adam Alayhis Salam but no! He was born from a line of people who have sin natures and should have passed it down to him.

        The only answer that I’ve consistently seen which is also non scriptural is that original sin is only passed down through the father not the mother. Aside again from being completely un biblical the fact of the matter is Eve in their view also sinned! Another answer i have seen is that God simply caused the human nature of the son to not have the sin nature. So if the sin nature wasn’t passed down it can only mean God forgave the original sin of the son’s human nature. Meaning God CAN forgive sin without a blood sacrifice making the supposed sacrifice of Jesus Alayhis Salam pointless.

        I could sprinkle in some more details and occasion link here and there buts really all it is. The fact remains that someone in the linage of the messiah(a.s) had to be forgiven of original sin whether it was Eve, Mary, or Jesus himself(a.s them all). So there’s no reason that what God did for the messiah’s human nature he couldn’t do for us as well. As a side note the only argument I’ve seen in an attempt to counter this is “oh well God can’t do that cause it would interfere with his plan and have all of humanity be born of virgins”. One, it does nothing to solve the core issue of God forgiving the sin nature and putting himself in a kind of sinners debt. Two the idea that in order to forgive the sin nature requires God to incarnate and have a virgin birth pretty clearly is insinuating that the divine nature directly affected the human nature. Which as far as I’m aware goes against their theology of the two natures not mixing but maybe I’ll ask Ken about it later just to make sure lol.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        “My question is does the Hebrew Bible have anything like the 5 gospels by the Jesus Seminar”

        bro, can you add clarification to this question .

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      2. stewjo004

        @mr.heathcliff

        My bad. Basically, there was a book called “5 Gospels” by the Jesus Seminar. It was approx 80 scholars going through the NT debating the authenticity of each verse and then they all voted giving it a ranking of authenticity with commentary.

        I am wondering has there been any book done like this for the Hebrew Bible aka the Old Testament as well.

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      3. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        I also have a question.

        What does scholarship generally think of the verses in the gospels where Jesus is said to predict his own death and reresection?

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      1. Vaqas Rehman

        @mr.heathcliff

        “i’ll ask ehrmans permission”

        I’m actually worried that he’ll ban you if you ask him that. Personally I say just forward our questions every now and then and show us the answers. Then and leave it at that. I don’t want you to get in trouble because of us.

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  10. stewjo004

    @ vaqas

    Hmmmm it’s an interesting argument for sure (especially since according to ot them Eve sinned first.) The only add-on I can think of is if they say sin passes through the father (need proof for that btw) then they have a bigger theological issue if they hold to the premise. They don’t believe there was a literal “begetting” of God with Maryam(as) so that means for them to hold to this doctrine they have to agree Isa(as) is basically a demigod to have been born in the first place as he has taken “genetic” traits from God and Maryam(as) if they want to say sin “skipped” so to speak just because he was born a virgin.

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  11. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I am literally sick of this life, because I cannot pray for reversal of time, and I cannot increase my life span so I can have enough time to do things which I haven’t done, I was also being banned from two Islamic Discord servers for being bad person, and I cannot even get the diploma of A-Level exam, and I am not successful like Mohammed Hijab and Ben Shabiro are. And I cannot be good debater as I do not have skills in debate, otherwise I could have challenged Ben Shapiro, Ali SIna, Christian Prince, Rob Christian, Sam Shamoun, and others to debate with me to the extend where I can make them trigger psychologically each time I challenge them to the extend where they’ll feel fear of me when they hear that I challenge them, because I want to protect brother Zakir Naik from such enemies, and I would like to be world’s greatest and powerful debater, so I can do in behalf of Zakir Naik, so I can ease his job in giving Dawah, but nah, I don’t have skill in debate.

    If you’re hateful person, and someone asks you what he should take so he can end his life without any pain and in short time, what would you recommend? I really need some good pills which helps me to end my life in short time, because I’m honestly done with this life.

    Also, would I be permanently punished in Hereafter by God(Allah) if I do kill myself or temporary punished?

    Jazakhalakhair

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    1. Vaqas Rehman

      Brother please don’t end you’re life! Its not worth it to look for a permanent solution to a temporary problem! I don’t know the exact feelings you’re feeling but I can surely relate and sympathize. I have depression and anxiety, everyday feels like a struggle, but I still haven’t given up and neither should you. I implore you to seek guidance and mercy from Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala and also to seek therapy and counseling for you’re feelings and issues. You’d be surprised how effective therapy can help. Please I ask you again to not end or even think about ending you’re life!

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      1. I agree with Vaqas. First of all, suicide is prohibited in Islam and the one who does it will be punished in hell in the same way he took his own life. Second, if you are having problems, seek help from your family and if necessary from a trained therapist. Third and most important, I would suggest that you stop spending so much time on social media. Everyone has dreams and aspirations, but you are still young and it takes time and effort. Spend your time learning about Islam and praying, and be patient.

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  12. Mishal

    Hey Alexander. I’ll have to let you know that not everybody can be a great debater like mohamed hijab and others. I know that it hurts to hear all those things about Islam from these islamaphobes but you just have to be patient. Please for the sake of Allah, don’t end your life! It’s a terrible way to end up and in the hereafter it’d be much worse. Listen akhi, I may not know what you’re going through but I do suffer from anxiety that triggers from when hearing those false claims from Islam. But still I remained patient and turned to Allah whenever these doubts festered my mind. Please akhi don’t contemplate suicide and don’t burden yourself of being a great Islamic debater. People with a really specific skill set and personality can effectively be debaters and even then they’re not perfect. Please turn to Allah and try to consult a therapist as it would really help with your condition. Try to take a Internet sabbath once in a while. Go out to parks or places of nature that remind you of the blessings of Allah. Surround yourself with good people with knowledge of Islam and visit your family as well. Having a good support network is really good for one’s mental well being.

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