OPEN FORUM

Do you have something on your mind?  Do you need answers to lingering questions?  Or do you just need a place to engage with other people?  The new “Forum” page will serve as a place for visitors to make comments, start new discussions not related to any of the blog posts, make suggestions or just hang out.  If you want to participate, please abide by the following rules:   

  1. Respect the sacred.  No offensive comments about God, His prophets or His religion.
  2. No spam. All automated messages and advertisements will be deleted.
  3. Respect other users. No abusing of fellow forum members. While comments will not be moderated, continued abusive behavior will result in the deletion of comments or the commenter being banned from the blog.
  4. No threats or harassment of other users will be tolerated. Any instance of threatening or harassing behavior will result in being banned.
  5. No profanity or pornography is allowed. Posts containing such material will be deleted.
  6. Do not post copyrighted material.

4,797 thoughts on “OPEN FORUM”

    1. stewjo004

      @ Max

      Technically both and both terms are used synonymously but there’s differences.

      Children of Israel aka Bani Israel = any of the tribes related to 1 of Yaqoob (as) aka Israel’s 12 sons (Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph aka Yusf(as), and Benjamin)

      Jew aka Yehudi- Originally it meant you were specifically from “Yaqub’s(as) son Judah (Yehudah). When Allah gave the Children of Israel their kingdom, after Suleiman(as) died their kingdom spit into 2. In the north Israel and the south Judah (yehudah)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kingdoms_of_Israel_and_Judah_map_830.svg

      Eventually the northern kingdom Israel got conquered by another kingdom and 10 of the 12 tribes were erased with it, they then started calling themselves collectively as “Yehud” (from Judah)

      Finally since were just on the topic they have one more title bestowed on them by Allah (and this appears to be their nations ACTUAL name) and its “Hadu” and it means something along the lines of “The Repenters” or the “Returners to Duty”

      https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/Quran-roots/Eng/ha-Waw-Dal-536.html

      Like

      Reply

  4. yo qb, who is this christcuck that i keep seeing under your posts liking them and stuff, his name is like “kingdoms collide” and i checked his blog out and its some garbage crosstian stuff i think he could be some good fodder for you to use!

    Like

    Reply
  5. Vaqas Rehman

    “Christian” accuses Br Zakir of double standards, Zakir counters by showing it’s the same standard that most Christians themselves hold to with the example of Jude quoting Enoch’s prophecy. “Christian” incorrectly claims it’s not a prophecy but Br Zakir correctly tells him it literally says it’s a prophecy to which the “Christian” conceedes that Zakir is correct but says “What does it prove? Absolutely nothing.” before jumping to another topic alltogether.

    I swear it feels like most if not all online anti Islam/Muslim apoligists are intellectual equivalent of rabbits. They constantly hop around in discusstions & need to eat their own fecal matter of biased thoughts in order to survive.

    Liked by 3 people

    Reply
    2. stewjo004

      @ Vaqas

      I remember that wannabe Jew, he blocked me when i showed he couldn’t read basic Hebrew

      PS
      You have won comment of the day for your ever so vivid observation. Good job

      Liked by 2 people

      Reply
      1. Vaqas Rehman

        @Stew

        It’s wild to me the lengths some will stoop to in their rejection of Islam. I don’t know if you saw the debate between Br Zakir & Dr Michael Brown but while Zakir did as good as I expected my jaw was practically on the floor in shock with the amount of times Dr Brown moved the goalposts of prophectic fulfilment or just used ridiculous/inconsistent standards.

        Dr.Brown “Deuteronomy 34:10 sets the criteria & says that the prophet like Moses(a.s) will perform miricles & speak to God face to face. Did Muhammad(s.a.w) ever speak to God faceto face?”

        Zakir” The prophet Muhammad(s.a.w) both did miricles & spoke to God face to face durning the night journey.”

        Dr.Brown”Yeah but he only did so once so it doesn’t count since Moses(a.s) spoke to God face to face “like a man speaks to his friend” which implies a pattern not one time.”

        This was only one example and not even the worst one from Dr. Brown.

        Liked by 2 people

      2. stewjo004

        @ Vaqas

        Okay then using that logic we only have 1 recorded time Jesus spoke to Allah directly at the baptism and even then it was indirect conversation. Whatever, at his point in my life I really don’t care, enjoy Hell, I’m out

        Liked by 1 person

  6. Even the argument he uses here is a Post-hoc fallacy, just because the Talmud came before the Quran was revealed, does not mean that the Quran took from the Talmud, heck even the example itself has differences, like the Umbrella in the Quran and the Tub in the Talmud, so is the context, the Quran is speaking about those who do not keep to the scripture’s laws despite claiming to follow it, by saying they are “forgiven” no matter what they do, whereas Shabbat 88a seems to be speaking about Moses and is a commentary on Exodus, even that being totally different to the Quran in that the Jews supposedly “accepted the Torah”, whereas the Quran rejects this claim because they do not properly keep the laws.

    Liked by 3 people

    Reply
  7. lolzloz

    did you guys see the michael jones response to daniel haqiqatjou, i dont think daniel did an good enough job in the debate and even the post-debate reaction.

    Like

    Reply
      1. lolzloz

        because of how he doesnt press michael with how christianity allows child marriage by using verses and actually disproving his arguments with the verses. and when is your response coming out?

        Liked by 2 people

  8. lolzloz

    he made an response about which videos? im not surprised that hes making mistakes, hes probably googling “how to prove pagan god (yahweh) not pedo?”

    Like

    Reply
  10. stewjo004

    Even though you’re swamped going through Jones incompetency (seriously idk how missionaries have been getting worse over time which sucks as our arguments are now getting more technical and efficient now that we understand their textual history) but as a fun fact, was debating a Christian and realized Junior the Sinful Savior actually makes a mistake in his banning of divorce, he allegedly says:

    7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

    8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. (Matt 19:7-8)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2019&version=NIV

    Moses had NOTHING to do with the divorce laws, God sent the divorce laws
    https://biblehub.com/bsb/deuteronomy/24.htm

    No wonder the Jews strung up the man idol who didn’t even know the Hebrew Bible to begin with.

    Liked by 3 people

    Reply
    1. Vaqas Rehman

      @Stew

      One of my favorite examples of the bible disrespecting Jesus(a.s) by ascribing errors to him is always Matthew 23:35

      “That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.”

      I like this error because unlike other mistakes like Mark 2:26 where commentators seemed to have agreed to play mental gymnastics together ” Jews were known to have two names guys it’s fine!” this verse in Matthew they by & large call a spade a spade admit it’s an error. An error they place on the copyist mind you, & not from Jesus(a.s). (Though Expositor’s Greek Testament entertains the idea of the error coming the evangelist himself.) To the point where a lot of commentaries just refute the proposed solutions.

      https://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/23-35.htm

      I think the commentaries are a fun read but of particular not in no particular order:

      Ellicott’s Commentary for English Readers

      Meyer’s NT Commentary

      Expositor’s Greek Testament

      Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges

      Liked by 1 person

      Reply
      1. stewjo004

        @ QB

        Really? I though there was something regarding Isa’s(as) birth the Christians invented that was similar to a Roman emperor, maybe I’m confusing it with I want to say the magi visit?

        Like

    1. MathsMaster

      Akhi I don’t know much about The Information even if it takes a Month idc I’m going to refute those liar Paulines who sit in homes like girls and target some other low knowledge Muslims like them (or Hypocritical Muslims)

      Like

      Reply

    1. Alot of this is already refuted garbage espoused by the likes of Patricia and other revisionists that not even the orientalist school takes seriously, besides we see early Islamic inscriptions all around Mecca(see Ahmed Shakers twitter for more info), and the article has to make the presumption that all Arabic sources are lying and were written a 100 years after Muhammad SAWs death, this claim is simply bogus as we have Sahifah Hammam Bin Munabbih and Muwatta Malik decades after the passing of the Prophet SAW, even the “why” of the Islamic conquests is explained(Battle of Mut’ah and Persian meddling in Yemen and Bahrain, the execution of the scribe of Muhammad SAW),

      Infact even if we do take this orientalist myth seriously, one ought to ask we see Christian critics’ of Islam as far back as the 8th century like John of Damascus and those preceding him, how come they did not mention the sudden formation of an entirely new religion in recent times?

      We also have the account of Sebeos which clearly describes an Ishmaelite named Muhammad SAW claiming Prophethood, so only reason to doubt such a documented fact would just be a bias, and rejecting the Hadith corpus is literally conspiracy theory level.

      Liked by 3 people

      Reply
      1. lolzloz

        thanks for the response but they also espoused the theory that Islam is an Monophysite Christian Sect but as you said if John of Damascus and the other Christian writers clearly said that they are “heathens” and the like, it shows that they knew Islam is an new religion not an sect so that claim falls flat on its head.

        Like

    2. stewjo004

      @lolz

      Yeah no real historian is following any revision theories and these people are SUPER late to the party in trying to use this. Link the book “Islam as Others saw it by Robert Holland” which goes through every non Muslim reference to Islam in I think the 1st 100 years and keep it moving

      Liked by 2 people

      Reply
      1. stewjo004

        @ Vaqas

        I R
        remebr some small incidents like with Sad ibn Abi Waqqas(ra) and of course Hamza’s (ra) famous hitting of Abu Jahl but nothing else pre Isra comes to mind. Out of curiosity what were you thinking?

        Liked by 1 person

      2. Vaqas Rehman

        @Stew

        I wasn’t looking for a particular event of combat pre Isra that I thought happened or anything like that. It’s just in the past week or so I was visted by different missionaries at my doorstep & the topic sort of came up as a point I made in the of the disscussions with one of the groups. Afterward I had gotten a sense of fear that maybe I spoke incorrectly or without knowledge hence me asking you guys to make sure I was right that no combat & the like occured pre Isra only after. Or if I was wrong correct myself with the truth.

        Oh & as for the missonaries, One day was Seventh-day Adventists, few days later a couple of Mormons, & a few days later another duo but I can’t remember their sect/groups name. I enjoyed the all convos they were very cordial & fun.

        Liked by 1 person

      3. stewjo004

        @ Vawad

        Yeah there were a couple I guess you say “brawls” amongst individuals but nothing organized if that makes sense. I need to find the hadith but Abu Bakr (ra) basically said he knew fighting was going to get sent down so the writing was definitely on the wall so to speak

        Liked by 1 person

      5. Vaqas Rehman

        @Stew

        “Also I’ve also apparently become a Super Saiyan with this new color. Idk how I feel about this yet”

        Lol I actually saw that during my last comment & wondered whether I should mention it or not only for it to now go away as of this comment.

        Liked by 1 person

  16. Vaqas Rehman

    I have a question for those with more knowledge than me. Was every act of combat, violence, aggression, ect by the Prophet(s.a.w) & the companions(ra), regardless of it being defensive or offensive, did they all occur after al isra wal miraj in terms of chronology/timeline wise? Or was there even a single skirmish before the night journey?

    Like

    Reply

    1. I’m not aware of any battles before the hijrah. They wouldn’t be possible anyway. As for occasional altercations between individual Muslims and pagans, they may have occurred though I can’t think of any specific examples.

      Liked by 1 person

      Reply
      1. Vaqas Rehman

        @QB

        Yeah same I was pretty sure offhand that such battles, conflicts, ect only occured after & all the dates I could find seem to confirm that but wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing anything notable.

        Jazakallah khair for your time.

        Like

  17. lolzloz

    Yeah, I don’t think there was clashes between the Muslims and the Makkans because of the fact there is no single hadith or report in any Tarikh or Sahih or Sunan that talks about clashes before the battle of Badr and this is also in line with Allah (SWT) saying “Permission to fight back is hereby granted to those being fought, for they have been wronged. And Allah is truly Most Capable of helping them prevail” (22:38 Surah Al-Hajj) this shows that the Muslims couldn’t have fought back against the Quraysh as that would be against the Prophet (SAW) and Allah’s (SWT) commands.

    Liked by 1 person

    Reply

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

Gravatar
WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. ( Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. ( Log Out /  Change )

Cancel

Connecting to %s