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The Quran and Bible Blog 
“They both used to eat”
The one who was dependant on food and oxygen cannot be the authour of food and his own breath.
This is the message of the prophets
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What are your thoughts on Bart Ehrman’s “Heaven and Hell: A History of the Afterlife”? I find it very hard to reconcile with the Islamic narrative. The absence of Heaven and Hell in the Hebrew Bible contradicts the Islamic claim of a singular religion preached from the time of Abraham that was later corrupted. For such a core doctrine to be omitted from all the books of the Hebrew Bible written by various authors across hundreds of years seems impossibly unlikely. Also according to Ehrman, Jesus did not believe in an eternal Hell but instead in annihilationism.
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“Jesus did not believe in an eternal Hell but instead in annihilationism.”
How so?
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So I took some time and skimmed through Ehrman’s arguments coz I was curious about his claim about Jesus and hell…. loads of assumptions in there…like somehow he assumes Matt 25:45 is talking about annihilation when in other places Jesus mentions some very specific details about suffering in the afterlife plus he ignores the contextual usage of the greek vis a vis the heavenly afterlife
And he did believe in heaven didn’t he…
As for the old testament, as everyone knows it does affirm an afterlife tho Ehrman is correct that we find no mention whatsoever of heaven or hell…from a Muslim perspective, those books have a shady history spanning over only a minuscule line compared to thousands of years of Jewish history so whatever it edifies betokens nothing much….
It’s possible the Jews may have believed in heaven and hell thousands of years afore those books and with time their teachings, edifications and interpretations of their oral traditions transmuted i.e at one point they may have gone through a split such as something similar to Pharisees vs Sadducees who had differences in regards to afterlife too….so yeah….not really important….
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@XYZ
1. “What are your thoughts on Bart Ehrman… I find it very hard to reconcile with the Islamic narrative…”
First point is Ehrman is not receiving revelation. All he did was put in laymen’s terms issues their scholars have known about their text for over 200 years. As Allah says he like all kuffar makes his opinions about Jesus(as) out of guesses and assumptions of what he arbitrarly agrees is authentic versus what is not. For example, there are about NINE major views of who the historical Jesus(as) was and what he taught not just Ehrman’s one position.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html
So while Ehrman is good at showing issues with the their text he is not some all knowing authority.
“The absence of Heaven and Hell in the Hebrew Bible contradicts the Islamic claim of a singular religion preached from the time of Abraham that was later corrupted. For such a core doctrine to be omitted from all the books of the Hebrew Bible written by various authors across hundreds of years seems impossibly unlikely.”
Based on what…the completely abridged book written by anomous heretics? Quoting from Dr. Joel Hoffman in his book “The Bible’s Cutting Room Floor” states (emphasis mine):
“The Bible you usually read is the ABRIDGED version. Its contents were CULLED from a much LARGER SELECTION OF HOLY SCRIPTURES when new realities forced religious leaders to discard some of their most cherished and sacred books, resulting in what we now call the Bible. Some writings were left out for political or theological reasons, others simply because of the physical restrictions of ancient bookmaking technology. At times, the compilers of the Bible skipped information that they assumed everyone knew. Some passages were even omitted by accident. For these reasons and more, your Bible doesn’t give you a complete picture. […]Underlying all of these differences is the simple fact that there used to be lots of holy writings, and different groups of people compiled different collections of them to form a single book.”
So Ehrman has went on a tirade about what Jesus(as) and others believed when we don’t even have the majority of the texts let alone the random forgeries in there. As much as that was sufficient, furthermore neither the Tawrat nor Injeel are “the Bible”. Too long to get in it right now but short and sweet these are revelations given to Jesus(as) and Moses(as) not the time they got it. The “Bible” is basically a glorified hadith book filled with weak and forged narrations so you can take it all with the lowest of grains of salt.
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Stew remember the guy you addressed on yourphariseefriend? The guy is back :
I ask them, ” How many creators are there or can there be?” off coarse they answer “one.”
This will show how ignorant this cup cake is, there are MANY creators, God is the best of them .
“I ask “can God share his creator-ness with another?” “no, because creating is not just what God does, its what he is, IE he is the “be-er” of all possible existence, ”
The quran never says like pagan texts that power is “SHARED” with creation
“creator is one of his names, but that indicates its his essential characteristic.” ”
God is creator , has power over everything, is perfect in power, is ruler, wills things into existence.
“I point out to them that Jesus in the Quran is described as creating life from non living matter,”
1. Thats because u r a pagan who imposes on the quran your pagan thoughts.
In the quran, God saying “be” is what gives life.
The word “akluku” and “anfakhu” can be used for other than God
The word “kun” cannot be used for other than God
Gods permission for things to exist is tied with His will,
so jesus blowing or SHAPING something is no different then the giant ball of light giving its light by gods permission which is tied to gods will. U cannot say god does not will what he permits.
” something only God does, that only God can do.”
“Ahsanu khalikeen”
Other than God make things.
“They will say “well, he does it by God’s leave,” ignoring that their own previous statements and beliefs/philosophy about how God properly works would make that sentiment impossible.”
This is because u r ignorant of quranic perspective.
“That is why I tell them its a bit hypocritical for them in particular to call the Christians morons for Christian belief in a divine Jesus.”
No muslim believes that God shares His powers with created things.
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Up the same nonsense:
I ask them, ” How many creators are there or can there be?” off coarse they answer “one.” I ask “can God share his creator-ness with another?” “no, because creating is not just what God does, its what he is, IE he is the “be-er” of all possible existence, creator is one of his names, but that indicates its his essential characteristic.” IE God cannot do the impossible, such as make a second God.
I point out to them that Jesus in the Quran is described as creating life from non living matter, something only God does, that only God can do.
They will say “well, he does it by God’s leave,” ignoring that their own previous statements and beliefs/philosophy about how God properly works would make that sentiment impossible.
That is why I tell them its a bit hypocritical for them in particular to call the Christians morons for Christian belief in a divine Jesus.
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So your claim is that the full, unabridged Bible could possibly contain the doctrine of Heaven and Hell? f the doctrine had really existed, at some point one of the authors, authors dispersed across centuries, would have made at least a passing reference to it. We don’t need all the texts to to come to the conclusion that the probability of its existence amongst the Israelites at that time was astronomically low.
Why do we see descriptions of the afterlife in the Hebrew Bible that gravely contradict the Islamic view? Sheol is quite distant from the Islamic afterlife.
In the book you cite, Hoffman states in Chapter 8 that to the people of the time, the Bible was a “representative sample of a larger set of favourite texts”. Can we conclude from Hoffman’s statement that the unabridged Bible would likely not contain mention of the Islamic afterlife, since the Bible we have is a “representative sample”?
The word “jahannam” is derived from the Valley of (the son of) Hinnom, Hebrew “gei-(ben)-Hinnom”, a place in Jerusalem that the Israelites saw as a desecrated place of slaughter as children were burnt there as offerings to pagan deities. It first became a place of divine punishment in the apocryphal 1 Enoch, two centuries before Jesus. Why does the Quran use this word with very human origins, evolving from a cursed valley outside Jerusalem to the otherworldly place of punishment depicted later on in Jewish and Christian literature? Being the verbatim Word of God, the Quran chooses every word deliberately and with the utmost precision. What did God mean by identifying Hell with the Valley of Hinnom? Is God putting His stamp of approval on centuries of Jewish and Christian embellishments of a valley outside Jerusalem?
For centuries, Israelites were totally ignorant of the doctrine of Heaven and Hell. Why did the prophets sent to them not remind them of what they had somehow forgotten? Why did these prophets not correct the rampant corruption of holy scripture? They did manage to preserve a substantial portion of the stories of Biblical figures that the Quran takes as historical fact (“preserved” according to the Islamic point of view), so why was this fundamental doctrine not preserved? For Heaven and Hell to have originally been in the Hebrew Bible but intentionally taken out later would require a conspiracy of ahem, Biblical proportions.
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@ XYZ
1. “So your claim is that the full, unabridged Bible could possibly contain the doctrine of Heaven and Hell?”
Who knows there is no text to look at to say one way or the other. The ones making the claim “it doesn’t exist” have to prove that. And the best they have can be broken down as:
“Well this text (the Bible) that we have no existence for until over a thousand years after its author’s (Moses’s) death, has two major transmission breaks where they straight up lost it as per their own admission, that we know for a fact has been altered and grabbed from larger texts that didn’t survive due to purposeful alterations, lack of bookmaking technology, the afterlife straight up doesn’t even speak about and we have no idea who wrote it doesn’t say something. Therefore we can conclude it doesn’t exist” is a straight-up retarded argument. I have no surviving writings from my great, great, great, great, great grandfather and nobody ever mentioned him therefore he must not exist either.
2. “…if the doctrine had really existed, at some point one of the authors, authors dispersed across centuries, would have made at least a passing reference to it. We don’t need all the texts to to come to the conclusion that the probability of its existence amongst the Israelites at that time was astronomically low.’
Do you mean like how they mention the afterlife all throughout the text in what we have now?
3. “Why do we see descriptions of the afterlife in the Hebrew Bible that gravely contradict the Islamic view? Sheol is quite distant from the Islamic afterlife.”
For one we don’t really see any descriptions at all and because…the Jewish Soferim the only dudes who could even read their texts to begin with, were a bunch of corrupt dudes who stole from the pagan religions around them said this was from God and just made sh!t up as they went along? (*cough* Book of Esther *cough* Darius the Mede* cough* whew excuse me)
4. In the book you cite, Hoffman states in Chapter 8 that to the people of the time, the Bible was a “representative sample of a larger set of favourite texts”. Can we conclude from Hoffman’s statement that the unabridged Bible would likely not contain mention of the Islamic afterlife, since the Bible we have is a “representative sample”?
Lol no? FAVORITE is the keyword in your last sentence i.e we all like this story let’s talk about it again. For example, if all copies of the Quran were to be destroyed and all hafiz died we would probably be able to still reconstruct Juz Amma and Fatiha as they are a common favorite that is recited from every day. But we just lost all of our law systems as off the top of my head there is no references in Juz Amma. So now imagine some jack@$$e$ almost three thousand years later come and say:
“Well there are no surviving mentions of inheritance and alcohol prohibition in our surving Quran (as they’re not aware this is only a single juz of it) so we can conclude the early Muslim community didn’t believe in it either.” Sounds retarded right? I agree.
5. “The word “jahannam” is derived from the Valley of (the son of) Hinnom, Hebrew “gei-(ben)-Hinnom”, a place in Jerusalem that the Israelites saw as a desecrated place of slaughter as children…” (Blah,blah,blah)
Thank you for proving my point on how kuffar all make assumptions with no evidence. You assumed that is where “Jahannam” derives from when it’s actually a Persian word for “torture chamber” (“Jahnam”) (26:44)
https://muslimcentral.com/nouman-ali-khan-098-bayyinah-b/
So whoever you read from to say what you said went: “Dur, this word kinds sounds like this word (even though the word is used in Mecca before there was even Jewish contact) so it must mean that dur) This is why we don’t take kuffar scholarship seriously.
6. “For centuries, Israelites were totally ignorant of the doctrine of Heaven and Hell.”
You assume.
7. “Why did the prophets sent to them not remind them of what they had somehow forgotten?”
You assume.
8. “Why did these prophets not correct the rampant corruption of holy scripture?”
You assume. Also even in their surviving texts, they have the prophet Jeremiah(as) telling them they corrupted the Torah:
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the (Torah) of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (Jeremiah 8:8)
9. “They did manage to preserve a substantial portion of the stories of Biblical figures that the Quran takes as historical fact (“preserved” according to the Islamic point of view), so why was this fundamental doctrine not preserved?”
No, they didn’t lol? Stories are completely different. Please see my point regarding “dur and words”
10. “For Heaven and Hell to have originally been in the Hebrew Bible but intentionally taken out later would require a conspiracy of ahem, Biblical proportions.”
To begin just stop with the lame puns. Next, who said it was deliberate? There is a multitude of ways off the top of my head:
A. Lost the actual revelation they had from Moses (as) for some odd reason and then paraded a new text they made up around as that revelation. The actual revelations were oral traditions that were written only to supplement but later followers got weak in memory or laziness and thus lost stuff.
B. They didn’t care about the afterlife so they didn’t record it (which is fair considering they don’t mention it at all even in their current fanfiction and the few minute descriptions we have from the “various authors” that your argument is based around don’t even agree on it and many Jews TO THIS DAY still don’t care about it)
C. Bookmaking technology was limited and so many parts were lost due to human laziness.
D. As they were making up their stuff as they went along stuff got deleted because it clashed and nobody wanted to admit they were wrong or they thought the made-up stuff was right and so they let authentic stuff go thinking it was made up.
All it takes to show how quickly something can go south is looking at Early Christianity or Islam. Imagine the Gnostics or the Sabaʾiyya sects became dominant deleted a bunch of stuff and people having only their first works a thousand+ years later argued about what those early communities believed? We would be looking at completely different religions today and they popped up 30 years or less after their prophets.
In conclusion kuffar are retarded and that’s why they’re fuel for Hell. Any questions, comments or concerns so far?
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@ XYZ
Also, final point on the “Jahannam” point even if we went with that the word isn’t Persian (even though considering Hell’s other frequent name in the Quran “Jaheem” is also Persian I see no reason it’s not) and it is the valley etc…that doesn’t just “put a stamp on a very human word blah, blah, blah” it would be what we call a “loan word” in language. For example, in English, we use the word “Hell” when translating “Jahannam” that doesn’t mean we English speakers think of Hel’s domain from Norse mythology when we use it even though that’s its origins. In our language, we adopted this word as a description of a place of punishment in the afterlife and everyone understands that. This also happens with other languages as well because they evolve and i could easily argue that was the case here.
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Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,
Guys, I intend to raise an anti-terror organization which I call it “Al Islamiyyah Waal Jamaah” which is an anti-terror organization that focuses on reviving and implementing the Sunnah of Prophet and Shariah of allah correctly, whole and fully.
And I wish to wipe out ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas and Al Hazimiyyah.
My questions are:
1. Is it permitted or prohibited for me to ask Allah Almighty To assure me that anti-terror organizations will keep on appearing until the Day of Judgement?
2. Will their good deeds fall back on me after my death?
3. Will this be true Jihad?
4. If I will die, I’ll be true martyr of Islam?
Jazak Allah Khair
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@ Alex
InshaAllah yes to all.
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yo stew, any thing you can add to what that pagan cup cake said?
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@ Mr. Heathcliff
I’m having a hard time following their logic. Jesus(as) performs a miracle involving creating a living thing out of a nonliving thing with God’s permission as the Quran clearly states and they are claiming this is “sharing power”? Okay… Moses (as) and the staff becoming a snake their mythology regarding golems… Anyways moving on…
Don’t some of them like Kabbalists believe that the angels share some of God’s powers like Metatron?
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Its not the yahood its that idiot ex-krister “concerned reader”
the moron thinks that isa shaping and blowing into a bird inplies Allah DELEGATED His powers to another, but we know that the Quran says that saying “be” is never delegated to another.
Allah even says He is the best of creators which implies noun of magnification and superlative
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Ofcourse when this moron is making an argument, he needs to assume
1. Occassionalism
Or
2. Concurrentism
3. God is not involved
1=Allah is the cause of.everything
2. Allah is not the cause of everything, for example, the sun has its own ability to give light as a second dependant cause . Allah = primary cause. Creation = secondary dependant cause
3. God delegated His powers to other than He
so the mushrik says “Other than Allah is creating” without informing the people UNDER which assumption he is assuming ? 1 , 2 or 3 ?
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@ Mr. Heathcliff
The first point is we can say he’s officially a pagan as that is what they believe that the high/sky god delegated authority to other ones. Next, no need to even get into this fancy philosophical mumbo jumbo as it doesn’t defeat my original point. Simple, Jesus performs his miracles through God’s permission (I’ll use this as opposed to “leave” as it paints a better picture) EVERY prophet does their miracles by God’s permission sothere’s nothing unique here which is the entore verse’s point which is why it keeps emphasizing it. If he wants to continue:
What else in the Quran is done by God’s permission besides Jesus’s miracles?
1. Gabriel
So tell them: “Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel, who by God’s Permission, has brought this down onto your heart…(2:97)
2. Armies
“When Saul crossed the river along with the faithful who were with him, they cried: “We have no hope this day against Goliath and his armies.” Those who knew that they would one day meet their Lord said: “How many times have few overcome many by God’s will? God is with those who are patient and persevere!”…” (2:249)
3. Dying
“No soul can ever die except by God’s permission at a deadline already written…” (3:145)
4. Faith
“No one will believe except by God’s permission, He makes filth settle on those who do not use their intellect.” (10:100)
“Then I gave to My chosen servants, the Scripture as an inheritance. Some of them did themselves wrong, some stayed in between, and some by God’s permission were first and foremost in doing good and that is no doubt the greatest favor.” (35:32)
Okay so now we have a “base” of an author’s work. Does anyone want to argue that a soul is delegated authority to die? Makes no sense. What about faith? Nope. Armies are given delegation. So yeah that argument is bad and shows the hidden pagan thoughts harbored behind the guise of monotheism.
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Before any surah in the Quran is read, “‘audhoobillahi min ash-Shaytan ar-Rajeem” is recited, and yet Satan as later understood by Christians and Muslims is not present in the Hebrew Bible. Did the Israelites go for centuries not knowing who their greatest enemy was?
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@ YKz
Sure if you ignore the Book of Job and Jewish oral traditions. (You can also add the oral traditions to my heaven/hell point btw)
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The point about Sheol was simply to accentuate the enormous difference between
the Hebrew Bible and the Quran that cannot be simply explained by “corruption”.
Imagine two cheese wheels, one of blue cheese and one not. If someone told you
that the latter cheese wheel was originally made of blue cheese but someone
meticulously cut all the mould out and put the cheese back together, would you
believe him? Even if the Bible had hundreds of missing books that would not
help the Islamic case. Heaven and Hell should be permeating throughout the text
in the same way mould permeates through a cheese wheel, and yet it is not
present. Absence of evidence where we should expect overwhelming evidence is in
fact evidence of absence.
“that doesn’t just “put a stamp on a very human word blah, blah, blah”
I quote from my previous comment: “Being the verbatim Word of God, the Quran
chooses every word deliberately and with the utmost precision. What did God
mean by identifying Hell with the Valley of Hinnom? Is God putting His stamp of
approval on centuries of Jewish and Christian embellishments of a valley
outside Jerusalem?”
I imagine that in an alternate dimension where the Quran did not contain the
word “Jahannam”, Muslim apologists would be parading that around as a
“linguistic and historical miracle”, as “it did not repeat a legend of the
Jews”. The Quran could have used any other word to refer to Hell, and yet it
uses “Jahannam”. The Vikings perished long ago, but the Jews and Christians
were using “Gehinnom” in the context that Islam arose in with the same meaning
as in the Quran.
“You assumed that is where “Jahannam” derives from…”
Nouman Ali Khan is not a scholarly source. Here are some scholarly sources
stating that Jahannam is derived from Gehinnom:
https://blog.yalebooks.com/2020/03/19/heaven-hell-and-non-muslims-in-the-quran/
“The Qur’an also threatens its audience with vivid images of hell, described
with various terms including Jahannam (Greek geenna or “Gehenna,” derived
ultimately from the Hebrew term ge Hinnom, “the valley of Hinnom”—the name of a
valley on the outskirts of Jerusalem where pagan sacrifices once took place).”
Richard P. Taylor (2000). Death and the Afterlife: A Cultural Encyclopedia.
“JAHANNAM From the Hebrew ge-hinnom, which refers to a valley outside
Jerusalem, Jahannam is the Islamic word for hell.”
Alan E. Bernstein (2017). Hell and Its Rivals: Death and Retribution among
Christians, Jews, and Muslims in the Early Middle Ages.
“…For example, the rabbis of this period [400-800 CE] advanced a very
concrete hell they called Gehinnom, a term still used by Orthodox Jews. Muslims
affirm the power of Jahannam, a transliteration of the Hebrew name for the same
hell that Christians transliterate as Gehenna.”
“No, they didn’t lol? Stories are completely different. Please see my point
regarding “dur and words” ”
The stories aren’t “completely different” at all. The Exodus, Jonah and the
whale, the destruction of Sodom, etc. are all there, but Heaven, Hell, Satan,
and the Day of Judgement are not. Why would the Israelites preserve the former,
but not the latter? There would be no reason for the scribes to simply leave
out the Islamic afterlife at every turn other than active opposition in an
enormous conspiracy. “Not caring” is not sufficient explanation.
“A. Lost the actual revelation they had from Moses (as)…”
Let us say the early Muslims lost the Quran and concocted a new text that they
declared to be revelation. Would this text contain the doctrine of Heaven and
Hell? In contrast to the Hebrew Bible, the message permeates throughout the
Quran and the sayings of Muhammad, so of course it would. Also, in the Islamic
narrative the Jews are constantly receiving prophets from Moses all the way up
to Jesus. Were all their revelations lost as well?
“Well there are no surviving mentions of inheritance and alcohol prohibition…”
Alcohol prohibition and inheritance are laws and not foundational creeds. They
would not be expected to permeate through the text in the same way a
fundamental belief like Heaven and Hell would.
“Sure if you ignore the Book of Job and Jewish oral traditions.”
Job does contain reference to “the accuser” (Hebrew: “ha-satan”), but this is
not the Devil of Christianity or Islam. The Devil or the Islamic afterlife
existing in a hypothetical oral tradition would have invariably bled into the
Biblical text at one point or another.
“You assume.”
These aren’t “assumptions” but reasonable conclusions based on the evidence.
The larger point here is that one of the foundational claims of Islam, that it
is the original religion of Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and all the Biblical
prophets – that all these figures not only existed but taught previous
iterations of Islam – is simply not reflected by the history. Heaven and Hell
is just the most egregious example of this. Instead, it looks like the
confluence of cultural streams of which the Jewish apocalypticists and their
ideas of a resurrection and a Day of Judgement is only one.
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@ XYZ
1.”The point about Sheol was simply to accentuate the enormous difference between
the Hebrew Bible and the Quran that cannot be simply explained by “corruption”.
And my point about Sheol is the various anomous heretical authors can’t even agree their few mentions on that and we know that they steal from other religions around them. Where are we going with this?
2. “I imagine that in an alternate dimension where the Quran did not contain the
word “Jahannam”, Muslim apologists would be parading that around as a
“linguistic and historical miracle”, as “it did not repeat a legend of the
Jews”. The Quran could have used any other word to refer to Hell, and yet it
uses “Jahannam”. The Vikings perished long ago, but the Jews and Christians
were using “Gehinnom” in the context that Islam arose in with the same meaning
as in the Quran.”
Since you’re listing so many “scholarly sources” why don’t you crack open Webster’s to understand what a “loanword” is as you are literally arguing the equivalent of old Norse “Helheim” to a person in Modern English using “Hell”. Also quick side note Vikings didn’t “perish” they “converted” but whatever.
3. “Here are some scholarly sources stating that Jahannam is derived from Gehinnom”
Could care less what kuffar whose whole point of being established in the first place was to attempt to intellectually attack Islam when they couldn’t defeat it with the sword say especially when they declare things as fact with no evidence. You might as well quote Sam Shamoun from Answeringislam.com as they’re all using the same source (more on this in a sec). Allow me to see this and raise with known scholarly linguists:
“The word, “Jahannam”, literally means a very deep pit…”
(Rāghib, al-Mufradāt, p. 102; Ibn al-Athīr, al-Nihāya, vol. 1, p. 323; Bayḍāwī, Anwār al-Tanzīl, vol. 1, p. 111.
“…Most Muslim lexicographers take “Jahannam” to have a non-Arabic root…” (Azharī, Tahdhīb al-lugha, vol. 6, p. 515; Jawālīqī, al-Muʿrab, p. 107; Khafājī, Shifāʾ al-ghalīl, p. 59.)
“….while some of them take it to have an Arabic origin.” (Azharī, Tahdhīb al-lugha, vol. 6, p. 515.)
So pausing for a quick sec here. Did your “scholarly sources” (read retarded orientalists parroting) mention there was a difference of opinion if it’s even a native Arabic word, to begin with? Please see my “why ALL kuffar are stupid and fuel for hell” point. But let’s read on:
“Isma’il b. Hammad al-Jawhari and al-Raghib al-Isfahani take it to be a persian word. Al-Raghib takes the original form of “Jahannam” to be “Jahannām” (جَهَنّام, a Persian word which means a deep pit)…” (Rāghib, al-Mufradāt, p. 102)
“Ibn Athir, Ibn Manzur, and al-Suyuti speculate that the word has a Hebrew origin; they hold that it is derived from the Hebrew word, “Kihinnām”… (Jawālīqī, al-Muʿrab, p. 107; Ibn al-Athīr, al-Nihāya, vol. 1. P. 323; Suyūṭī, al-Itqān, vol. 2, p. 132.)
Hey yo! You’re getting ready to come up now in the discussion now! Emphasis mine:
“CONTEMPORARY western researchers take the word to be originated from the Hebrew word, “Gehennom” (גיהנום), or “Jihinum” which means the valley of Banu Hinum. (Sacy, Lettre de M. le baron Silvestre de Sacy a M. Gracin de Tassy, p.175; Gieger,Was hat Mohammed aus dem Judenthume augenommen?, p.47-48.)
Now, fascinating point here about where you’re retarded “scholarly sources” got this modern position from. You see that “Geiger” up in the reference there? That’s leading kaffir orientalist “Abraham Geiger” who was a Rabbi hostile to Islam and was trying to “prove” Muhammad’s(saw) stole all his sources from Judaism (despite Jahannam appearing in Meccan Surahs before Jewish contact) and then his also fellow kaffir orientalist Reverend William Tisdall who is one of the founding fathers of Western Orientalistism took the claim and ran with it. Now their stuff is considered horribly outdated and bias in modern research but your fellow “scholarly sources” love to keep quoting them. Now that this academic bully beatdown has been concluded let’s move on to the rest of your points.
4. “The stories aren’t “completely different” at all. The Exodus, Jonah and the whale, the destruction of Sodom, etc. are all there”
You’re clearly unfamiliar with the Quran to have made this statement. Yes sometimes you have similar skeletal structures (and other times not at all) but even in the similar skeletal structure as the saying goes the “devil is in the details”. Using a simple example from what you quoted, Biblical Exodus says over 600,000 men alone left Egypt (Num 1, Num 26 ) The Quran says a small group went with Moses(as) (Q 26:54) This affects much of the next story of explaining how over a million people left no archeological evidence behind. There’s more but this was just something off the top of my head.
5. “Let us say the early Muslims lost the Quran and concocted a new text that they
declared to be revelation. Would this text contain the doctrine of Heaven and
Hell?”
I already gave an example using this analogy so idk if you’re simply being deliberately obtuse so allow me to almost put it in an almost crayon drawing like explanation:
A. Muslims have a portion that is 1/30th of the Quran that’s popular
B. If Quran and Hafiz were lost this portion might survive as it’s popular.
C. The other 29/30 sections not as popular like laws would more than likely die
D. Now 3000 years later people say early Muslims didn’t have a law system
That is basically what you’re arguing in a nutshell.
“In contrast to the Hebrew Bible, the message permeates throughout the
Quran..”
Thank you for conceding my point that they don’t care about it hence why they debated about it even before Muhammad(saw). The Bible in general doesn’t even discuss that much theology much less the afterlife to begin with and is basically a glorified history book so this entire argument about heaven/hell is a wash.
6. “Were all their revelations lost as well?”
Yes…hence…why Islam exists in the first place to correct all this. 🙄Anyways…
7. “Alcohol prohibition and inheritance are laws and not foundational creeds. They
would not be expected to permeate through the text in the same way a
fundamental belief like Heaven and Hell would.”
Says who, you? To begin, approx 33% of the Quran is laws and in my example we would have no laws period. That’s a major loss. Many “foundational creeds” get lossed throughout the centuries (case in point Christians and monotheism) Even outside of Abrahamic religions in the Dharmic religions they lost “foundational creeds” (example buddhism and the concept of the soul) So as I said before you make a bunch of assumptions and theb declare them as facts.
8. “Job does contain reference to “the accuser” (Hebrew: “ha-satan”), but this is
not the Devil of Christianity or Islam.”
I’ve heard this argument before and read the Book of Job. How have you reached that conclusion from the textual evidence in the tale? Also I love that you ignored Jewish oral tradition but whatever I guess we’ll keep ignoring it because it’s inconvenient for you.
9. “These aren’t “assumptions” but reasonable conclusions based on the evidence.”
Nope, just pure assumptions usually coming straight from your derriere.
10. “that all these figures not only existed but taught previous iterations of Islam – is simply not reflected by the history”
You mean other than things like the early Jerusalem Church? Or Xenophanes of Greece? Or Imana of the Barundi? Or Waaqeffanna of Somalia? Or Shangdi of China? Or that the vast majority of religions have a “on high God” that they later add more family to. Sure I can agree with that.
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@ XYZ
And also to add a little pepper to this from the Hebrew Bible:
The LORD kills and brings to life; he brings down to Sheol and raises up. (1 Samuel 2:6 )
And finally, as I thought about this more why do you keep saying the multiple authors throughout the centuries when the bulk of the Hebrew Bible comes from 4 authors?
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I dont understand ur question, does not the quran address mankind and say satan is their enemy? So how come u left out texts from outside of israel?
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“Even if the Bible had hundreds of missing books that would not
help the Islamic case.”
why not ? are you assuming that each book of the original ot talked about heaven and hell ?
” Heaven and Hell should be permeating throughout the text”
you made an assumption which you must justify
, are you assuming that each biblical book, hundreds of them had heaven stories permeating through them ?
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Assalamu alaikum,
Guys, I have done an atrocity in past during my teenage periods around age of 15 by praying to Prophet Jesus when I should have prayed to God Almighty.
And I wasn’t taught about the severity and danger of polytheism, i only was taught the “there is no God but Allah” by my dad.
My questions and requests are:
1. Can you please ask God Almighty To wipe me out from existence as if I never existed? If no then,
2. Can you please ask God Almighty for new test so I can fix my stupidity?
3. Is there any forgiveness for my stupidity which I did?
4. How should I seek forgiveness?
Jazak allah Khair
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Salam aleykoum brothers , a sister Dmed me on Twitter about this Hadith .She claims that it’s racist .What should I respond to her ? :
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7038
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Why is it racist? The vision was about the plague. If it had been a white woman or an Arab woman, it would have meant the same thing, that a plague was coming.
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Yeah that’s what I told her .She thinks that this Hadith degrades black women but I showed her the Hadith where Rasulullah pbuh said that there is no superiority of a white over a black and vice-versa .
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On the contrary i’d say she’s projecting her internalized racism, I don’t see anything racist about the hadith…it could still be a brown lady or white or some chinese the reasoning would still be the same i.e a plague is being “transferred”
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@foued
You can invite her here to comment if you want but not seeing how she came to that conclusion.
Dream interpretation which is what the Prophet was doing is you take events in the dreams as symbols and figure out what they represent. For example:
Ibn ‘abbas narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said:
“I had a dream while sleeping as if there were two gold bracelets in my hands which bothered me very much. So it was revealed to me to blow them off. I blew them off and they flew away. I interpreted them to be two liars who would appear after me. One of them called Masalamah of Yamamah, and (the other) Al-‘ansi of San’a’.
I don’t see how describing a person’s physical description is racist is the first point. Next, I would get her argument if it said “dreaming of black people is bad” but they’re not correlated. Most people describe skin color when talking for example:
“Suspect is a young white male, wearing a gray hoodie…”
If (and again this is Stewjo’s inshaAllah hikmah) many black women were slaves during the Prophet’s time, so it could mean through slave trading a plague was going to come to that area. Or because the woman’s hair wasn’t taken care of it could mean mourning for the dead about to be affected. And Allah hu alim.
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She’s french and I’m not sure if she understands English very well but I will ask her .Jazakallah khayran for the explanation ahki !
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Ah mais pas de souci! Je parle bien le français 😁
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Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,
Guys, I wish to ask Allah To let me live up to age of 1000 and To increase my young age till age of 500 and To Allow Antichrist appear only after my death, because I don’t see him or meet him.
Is this permissible or prohibited for me to ask Allah for such favor?
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@Alex
Walakum salam, go for it
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Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,
Guys, I have Autism, Asperger, Di-George and OCD, and I have issues with laziness and emotions.
You see? I intend to make justice, equity and equality based on my feelings so I can satisfy my feelings. For an example, when i’m wronged by someone, my feelings tell me to seek revenge, and when a Christian attacks Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings be upon him) I have the desire of attacking Prophet Jesus(peace be upon him) as means of harsh response to him or her so that individual will sincerely apologize for the treachery.
My questions are:
1. Is this understandable my judgement?
2. Will Allah takfire me on the Day of Judgement if I make such decision based on my unstable feelings?
Jazak Allah Khair
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@Alex
1. Yes being upset is understandable snd your love and wanting to defend the honor of your brother, the Prophet (saw) is a sign of iman.
2. Do your best not to as you don’t want to insult a prophet by mistake.
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Salam aleykoum brothers ,could you recommend me some books on the historical reliability of the Old Testament ? Jazakallah khayran
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@foued
“Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible by Emanuel Tov” is pretty much the standard. I also found “The Bible’s Cutting Room Floor by Dr. Joel Hoffman” good. Google them as they both should be able to be found in pdf form.
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Jazakallah Khairan ahki! But I was talking about the historical truths and errors found in the OT(like the huge number of Israelites during the Exodus which is an obvious historical error and exaggeration of the facts ) and not really the textual criticism of the OT .But I will definitely read the books you recommended
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To circumvent obvious contradictions that result when Yahweh’s promises are compared to biblical history recorded later, inerrantists contend that the land promises made to the Israelites were conditional on their good behavior,**** but there is no support for that dodge in the Bible****.
https://turchisrong.blogspot.com/2021/06/farrell-till-and-james-patrick-holding.html
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https://old.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/sfmfup/what_do_you_think_about_this_paper_arguing_that/huqpl67/
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The History of Ancient Israel: A Guide for the Perplexed (Guides for the Perplexed) by Philip R. Davies
To Each Its Own Meaning by Steven L. McKenzie
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@foued
“Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible by Emanuel Tov” covers stuff like that.
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Assalaamu alaikum. How do we refite the idea that humans evolbed from apes? Jazakallahu khair.
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@ Mishal
Idk a lot about biology to go into detail, but quick note evolution does not state we descend from apes (that’s our scientific classification) it says we and chimpanzees have a common ancestor that we both broke off from.
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@stewjo004
Oh I see .Jazakallah khayran for the information !
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Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,
Guys, I have met some brothers in Quora such as https://almohajiroun1.quora.com/Is-it-forbidden-in-Islam-to-join-counter-terrorism-1?ch=17&oid=335376478&share=91b595c2&srid=uFRsMJ&target_type=answer and he is literally supporting terrorism.
My questions are:
1. How should I control my anger?
2. Would it be ok for me to fight people who support khawarij?
3. Should we as Ahlul Sunnah Waal Jamaah excommunicate all terrorists including those who support them?
4. Are terrorists major sinners? If yes, can I have strong evidence from Quran and Sunnah?
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lol I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this dude is from some intelligence agency, that’s often the case on Twitter
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@ Alex
What Too fast said many of those are fake accounts so ignore them.
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@ Alex
Looking at his/her/their profile I’m positive they’re an intel agency. Literally, all they do is talk about “rulings for Jihad”, killing and how he had two women he captured who gave him “much pleasure” for 6 months before being sold. If he/she/they doesn’t take his/her/their fed @$$e$ the f*ck on somewhere 🙄 At this point the only reason to engage with this individual is to troll.
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Lol, he literally just called the Sahaba(ra) “jihadis” and didn’t give salawat what are we discussing:
“The first true battle that prophet Muhammad and his Jihadis fought was at Badr…”
Lol I’m done 💀
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Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,
Guys, I intend after I graduate from high school to become a real and great Sheikh and Mufti of Islam, because all I want is to get in touch with Muslim rulers and bring the end to terrorism and violence, and to also give the best Dawah to my Romanian people. Because, i wish Romania would become a Sunni Muslim country in near future that runs correctly the Sunnah and Shariah.
And all I want is to have a divine confirmation that my Shahada was accepted and valid when I took it at age of 15.
My questions are:
1. Do Shuyukh and Muftis of islam have right to get in touch with Muslim rulers?
2. What are the rights of Shuyukh and Muftis of Islam?
3. What kind of powerful sign should I seek from Allah so i can know if my Shahada was accepted and valid?
4. Would it be ok for me to ask Allah To strike me with lightning if I’m a hypocrite? Just to test myself and see if I’m true believer or hypocrite. Because, all I want is to gain entry to Paradise.
5. How can I ask Allah some questions which bugs me a lot?
6. If I receive divine answers, would it be permissible for me to stop fearing hypocrisy and have normal life like how other Muslims do have?
P.S. I’m not trying to annoy anyone here, I just seek to be relieved from anxiety and stress. Because, from my perspective fearing hypocrisy creates too much of anxiety, stress and worry. I fear that I might be insincere with Allah and I want to be sincere with Allah, because that’s how I was taught all my life prior to conversion to Islam(e.g. to always be sincere)
My questions which bugs me are the following:
1. Am I Rightly Guided or deluded?
2. Am I sincere?
3. Do I have Monotheism in my heart?
If I ask these questions to you, you may think I’m a freak or troll which is why I don’t wish to ask this to anyone other than my Creator of the Heavens and the Earth as only He can understand me.
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Assalamu alaikum
Guys, I have a tyrant and oppressive mother to the extend where I feel very suicidal and depressive.
Once I had a conversation with her, and she said, “where did I go wrong?” and I told her, “you went wrong by giving birth to me when you could have killed me at birth” and she asked, “my God, what can I do?” and I told her: “I have a great idea. How about you kill me, and then you become a great hero?”
So my questions are:
1. How should I deal with tyrants and oppressive people?
2. what’s the ruling on abortion?
3. What is your opinion on our conversation?
P.S. This is only done out of extreme anger, frustration and depression.
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Maybe I should remind you and everyone here that you’re in your 20s…
And also I guess your mom is old now….
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Doesnt this mean that evolution is just about a bunch of assumptions?
What do you guys think?
Sorry if i sound ignorant as im jew to this topic.
Jazakallahu khair.
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Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,
Guys, i wish badly my family to take control over Romania and Kuwait, and I wish Romania would recover 50% of Europe, Asia and Africa. And i wish Romania would have become a greater power than USA. Because, I wish to punish USA for creating terrorism.
My questions are:
1. Is it permissible or prohibited for me to ask Allah for rulership?
2. Is it possible to achieve this?
3. What should I do to achieve this if it is possible?
Jazak Allah Khair.
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Hey guys currently talking to a Christian claiming Islam is moon worship(yeah that old song and dance) and one of the proofs is apparently Kaabah has the moon and sun on it’s doors therefore somehow moon worship? The logic in the supposed proof brought alone is laughable but I wanted to fact check it and I can’t seem to find any evidence the Kaaba having such images on it’s doors, anyone know what they could be talking about? Just to be clear, I’m not doubting Islam or believing their argument cause…yeah it’s dumb. Just wanted to know if anyone else knew what the source was?
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Just ask the moron to show a picture.
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Usually when I do that they either freak out or the proof they bring is hilariously bad. I was just wondering if there was some famous evidence of moon worship propaganda they were citing that you guys may have heard about.
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I’ve never heard that claim, so I have no idea where he got it from.
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@ Vaqas
After doing some digging dumb kafir thinks this is the “sun imagery”
He was reading an article written by another dumb kaffir making ridiculous long stretch connections that aren’t even what his text is saying to “prove Islam is the antichrist” for example:
The verse is not even talking about “not doing things women desire” but is the name of an idol. Please see why I say all kuffar are retarded.
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@ Vaqas
Also, you can counter back all his pics are recently renovated buildings. If we look at pics of them 60-80 years ago they didn’t have those designs:
Masjid Al Haram:https://quran2hadith.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/old_kaaba_photo.jpg
(Bonus) Recreation during the time of the Prophet:https://binimad.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Blog1-1024×576-1.jpg
Al-Masjid an-Nabawi:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Old_Al-Masjid_Al-Nabawi_1908.jpg
(Bonus) Recreation during the time of the Prophet:https://madainproject.com/content/media/collect/medina_museum_12378.jpg
Quba Masjid:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Qubaorig.jpg
So his entire argument is based around modern design motifs a few decades old
To further lay this to bed, there are many masajid NOWADAYS that don’t have moon or sun symbols on them:
The Ubudiah Mosquehttps://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/0a/12/e5/a5/ubudiah-mosque.jpg?w=1200&h=-1&s=1
The Great Mosque of Kufahttps://t3.ftcdn.net/jpg/02/05/58/78/360_F_205587850_SqPfks1t987AjJAOiOlbxm3qufdtEpJX.jpg
Great Mosque of Xi’anhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/1_great_mosque_xian_2011.JPG/271px-1_great_mosque_xian_2011.JPG
And this is not even counting the many “house masajid” etc. in the US So I’m sorry he was saying what now? Anyway, all he has to “prove” his point is to list an Islamic source talking about the sun and moon on the masjid to win, why doesn’t he do that? 🤔🤔🤔
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Lol, this moron really put a new twist on Daniel 11:37. Scholars explain that it is referring to the pagan god Tammuz.
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@Stew
Hah! That’s just hilarious! I actually saw the image of the Kaaba doors but not the article itself but I figured this couldn’t possibly be what he was referencing. Like he couldn’t be THAT dumb. And I was right. He was not only that dumb but dumber…
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@ Vaqas
Yeah, that’s why it’s annoying debating because the problem (and this extends to QB’s article on OT violence) Is there is no rhyme or reason to their commentary and because they’re all so ignorant anyone can make the text say whatever they want which is why they have such contradicting views about the same book.
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Assalamu alaikum,
Guys, it just came into my head awesome ideas which I want to share them with you. But these ideas are about what to ask Allah so He will confirm the situation and condition of the person.
Signs that Allah accepted your Shahada:
1. Allah sends someone from People of Isaac with attempt of marrying this outsider.
2. Allah sends someone from among angels confirming the Shahada which he recited it.
3. Allah strikes with lightning in your head as a sign that you are a hypocrite and if Allah did not stroke you with lightning means He accepted your Shahada.
What you guys think of these signs? Should I ask Allah for these signs which it just came in my mind?
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@ Alexander
How about something simpler? Just ask Allah to make your heart at ease.
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Can anyone tell me about condition of people in Persia and other countries before Islam?
because many people say condition of these countries were better before Islam and Islam ruined it.
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Who said that and what’s their proof?
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I saw comments on youtube
I just want to know about conditions of people before Islam and what led them to become a Muslim if it wasn’t a forced conversion
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Why are you looking at random comments on YouTube and not asking those people for proof?
Of course there were no forced conversions. Like Egypt, Persia became Muslim over time. During the Ummayad dynasty, there was some persecution which caused many Zoroastrians to migrate to India and elsewhere. After the initial conquest, many cities made peace treaties with the Muslims.
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@ Coby
As noted by QB, Persia became Muslim over time (and even then Muslims integrated a lot of Persian systems of administration due to lack of having their own because the Arabs were not used to running large swaths of land) They were not “forcibly converted” many Sahaba and Tabieen took Persian wives (and really the huge chunk of our early scholarship is ethnically Persian)
Please note when “reading comments on Youtube” many of these people are dumb Persian nationalists/fundamentalists talking about their warped perception of the “good ol days” because of their hatred of the Ayatollahs who took over after the fall of the Shah in modern times. As for their condition before Islam like all peoples they had good and bad, summing up the reality :
1. LOTS of political turmoil (seriously it makes Game of Thrones look like children’s pop-up book)
2. Religious dissidence (many people were tired of the corrupt Zorastrian priesthood and many “heretic sects and religions” popped up as many people were already looking for a change. Off the top of my head Mazdakism (a kind of proto communism formed to destroy the monopoly of money and land said nobles had accumulated) and Manichaeism (a kind of syncretized blend of Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Hinduism, and Buddhism)
And so Muslims popping in and taking over was not some grand shock and that’s why there were very few rebellions to put down, especially in the beginning. It’s similar to the Copts in Egypt and the Romans. They hated the old regime so much, Muslims were cool because it was basically “we pay lower taxes and they don’t discriminate nearly as harshly” (because we don’t care their all kuffar going to Hell as far as were concerned) You don’t really start seeing persecution until around the Ummayyad time frame (and to be fair they persecuted everybody including Sahaba and Tabieen)
So yeah long story short just a bunch of empty rhetoric from people who are mad that their country currently sucks.
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@everyone
How do we reconcile evolution?
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@ Mikail
Sorry, not a biologist and not qualified to get into the discussion.
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Is it ok to have intercourse with right hand possession without permission if yes then Muslims can’t object to sati system(sati system is forced or not I don’t know about that but there are events mentioned in hindu scriptures where wife willingly wanted to do sati and in some events wife lived as a widow,)
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@ Mister Question
For part one of your post it is haram to rape a right-hand possession and carries a capital punishment that can be harsher depending on various circumstances:
And Safiyya bint ‘Ubaid said:
“A governmental male-slave tried to seduce a slave-girl from the Khumus of the war booty till he deflowered her by force against her will; therefore ‘Umar flogged him according to the law, and exiled him, but he did not flog the female slave because the male-slave had committed illegal sexual intercourse by force, against her will.”
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6949
As for part the second part regarding Sati even IF halal for argument’s sake, how does a widow committing suicide equate? We very much could object to this on several grounds:
A. A woman has the right to remarry after her husband’s death if she so chooses to and it is not a reflection on her love or duty if she does decide to. Allah says:
“Those among you who pass away and leave wives behind, ˹she˺ is to wait four months and ten days before remarrying. When she’s completed this time period you’re ˹all˺ not responsible for what she decides to do with herself in an honorable and acceptable manner.” (2:234)
B. She is committing suicide which is a big sin:
Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “…. whoever commits suicide with something, will be punished with the same thing in the (Hell) Fire…”
C. She is using fire which is even worst:
Abd ar-Rahman b. Abdallah quoted his father as saying:
When I we were on a journey with God’s Messenger… He…saw an anthill which we had burned, and when he asked who had burned it and we replied that we had, he said, “It is not fitting that anyone but the Lord of the fire should punish with fire”
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Thank you for your reply.
I don’t know if I am correct or wrong,the hadith you mentioned ”https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6949”
I read about it somewhere , the man was punished because he did intercourse before distribution of slave.
One more question why Daniel and Hamza didn’t use this hadith when they were asked about ‘is slave consent required for having intercourse’.
Someone asked them in The Arena (Hamza’s den)
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Daniel and Hamza said that consent of today is different from the consent of hundreds of years ago
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@ Mister Question
Unless there is a corresponding hadith (which the other ones are also referring to force) the text literally is talking about rape. If someone wants to prove permissibility the onus is on them now to prove that with text, they cannot just infer their own commentary.
As for Hamza and Daniel’s question, because… their humans who are not All Knowing? People get things wrong all the time. This is mentioned even in the hadith:
It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said:
“The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: ‘If a judge passes judgment and strives to reach the right conclusion and gets it right, he will have two rewards; if he strives to reach the right conclusion but gets it wrong, he will still have one reward.”
That shows human error is stuff that happens,
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“I read about it somewhere , the man was punished because he did intercourse before distribution of slave.”
Idk if you’re confusing different accounts because there’s another instance when a slave girl was raped by a soldier and Umar decreed capital punishment and I often get the exact same response as yours always without a source whatsoever…
I digged a lot and found no source for such an alleged vital piece of info in a story which could easily be misinterpreted without it especially from a fiqh standpoint…
“yes then Muslims can’t object to sati system”
We also object to forced marriage etc as condoned in the scriptures
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Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh
Guys, I wish to say that I truly love and fear Allah Almighty and I love His Messenger as well, and I also have fear of hypocrisy.
Did Allah triggered my anxiety disorder, Autism and OCD so He can confirm that I’m from true believers? What’s the reasonable explanation for my trigger?
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@stew
Why is female circumcision considered to be harmful? I’m reading that it is considered to be female genital cutting or mutilation and that it has no health benefits. Isn’t it condoned in the deen for females to get circumcised?
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@ Mishal
Alright so to keep this simple unlike us men there are different “levels” one can do in female circumcision:
1. Symbolic “nicking”
Basically, no flesh is taken. More or less a scratch and you say you “done” something.
2. Partial clitoris removal
Quasi similar to male circumcision (fun fact male genitalia is basically just an overgrown one) like in male circumcision the “hood” is partially cut back.
3. Takes the whole clitoris off along with the major/minor labia (the “side flaps”) then everything is more or less sewn or closed back together.
It is “reopened” when she marries (either by the midwife or intercourse) and for childbirth then “closed” back up.
They use more classifications but those are basically it with some variance. Regarding health issues, the main one comes at “Level 3”. You’re creating open wounds which obviously have the issue of infection especially when you add menses and urination. They also many times have issues with intercourse and childbirth as well as some possible psychological issues.
Now as for the Islamic ruling…ehhh…from my reading everyone agrees Level 3 is haram but 1/2 there is a difference of opinion on (depending which side a scholar grades some ahadith in authenticity)
1. Obligatory for males and females
The Shafi as far as I know is the only one who holds this position (evidence in a sec)
2. Sunnah with conditions
The Prophet (ﷺ) is reported to have said:
It was narrated by Abu Dawood (5271), al-Tabaraani in al-Awsat, and al-Bayhaqi in al-Shu’ab from Umm ‘Atiyyah al-Ansaariyyah that a woman used to do circumcision in Madeenah, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: “Do not go to the extreme in cutting; that is better for the woman and more liked by the husband.” This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.
According to another report: “Take only a little and do not go to extremes.”
It is also indicated by the general meaning of the evidence that has been narrated concerning circumcision, such as the hadeeth in al-Bukhaari (5891) and Muslim (527) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him): I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “The fitrah is five things – or five things are part of the fitrah – circumcision, shaving the pubes, trimming the moustache, cutting the nails and plucking the armpit hairs.”
In Saheeh Muslim (349) it is narrated from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/82859/is-there-any-saheeh-hadeeth-about-the-circumcision-of-females
3. Mubah (Neutral)
Nothing is mentioned authentically and if there is no risk of medical harm she can choose if she wants to.
4. Haram
All ahadith are weak, it’s been shown to be harmful thus it is haram to do.
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Time stamp–> 1:41:33 – Concept of soul in Hinduism & Islam & reasons for suffering of people
Can you please answer this question that the questioner is asking about suffering.
and why babies have to suffer (they are innocent) by this I mean infants suffering from disease and infants getting slipped from their parents hands and falling on floor,etc. these infants didn’t do anything. Is it because of punishment for their parents that they did something wrong or it is test if they didn’t do anything wrong.
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@ Mister Question
Sorry didn’t see your first post. I had a hard time understanding the questioner’s accent so I will try and list what I believe was being asked:
1. What is my and my soul’s relationship with God?
Keeping this as simple as possible the relationship is one of being created to worship and glorify God as Allah says:
“I didn’t create the Jinn and humans except to worship Me.” (51:56)
This is in line with the reason all things were created:
“All that’s in the heavens and the earth glorifies God. He is Almighty and the One Who passes Judgment.” (59:1)
“All that’s known and unknown in the heavens and earth glorifies the perfection of God. The King, the Sacred, the Almighty ˹and˺ the Wisest.” (62:1)
This soul longs to reunite with Allah as He says:
“…Tell them: “God misguides whomever He wants and guides whoever is going to return to Him. The same ones who have faith and whose hearts find peace in remembering God. And without a doubt, it’s in remembering God that hearts find peace. Tooba awaits those who believe and do good, and it’s the most beautiful homecoming.” (13:27-29)
This is also mentioned by the Prophet (ﷺ) that amongst all the delights of Paradise the best reward and what we will be most excited for will be in seeing Allah:
Narrated Suhaib:
from the Prophet (ﷺ), regarding the saying of Allah Most High: And for those who have done good is the best and even more (10:26) – He (ﷺ) said: “When the inhabitants of Paradise have entered Paradise a caller will call out: ‘Indeed there remains for you a promise with Allah, and He wants to reward you with it.’ They will say: ‘Have your faces not been made bright, have we not been saved from the Fire, and have we not been admitted into Paradise?'” He said: “So the Veil will be lifted.” He said: “By Allah! Nothing given to them [by Allah] will be more beloved to them than looking at Him.”
https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:3105
2. Why do we suffer?
We suffer as tests for a variety of reasons:
A. to show our true love and sincerity for God (thus increasing our reward):
“Among the people are those who worship God on the edge. If they’re touched by good, they become reassured by it. But if struck by a test they turn in the opposite direction. They have lost in both the worldly life and the Next, and this is an unmistakable loss.” (22:11)
B. It may be to show us as true to our promise (thus increasing our reward):
“When your Lord took the seeds from the loins of the children of Adam, and made them give testimony against themselves, asking them: “Am I not your Lord?” They replied: “Yes, of course you are our Lord and we testify to that.” So you cannot say on the Day of Standing: “I didn’t know anything about this!” (7:172)
“There are true men among the believers who honored their promise to God. Some of them have even fulfilled it to their death, and some are still waiting for the chance. They haven’t changed in the least bit so that God can reward the truthful for their honesty and punish the hypocrites, if He wishes, or accept their repentance because God is the Most Forgiving and Forever Merciful. (33:23-24)
C, These tests are also part of our refinement process (thus increasing our reward)
“If pain touched you, then be sure a similar pain has also touched them. I shift these days back and forth among people so that God can make ˹it˺ clear who really believes and choose those that would testify to that Truth with their lives from among you, not ˹because˺ God loves those who do evil. This is also so God can refine and purify those who believe and little by little choke the life from those who disbelieve.” (3:140-141)
“I’ve made everything on the earth as decoration so that I could test people to find out which of them is ˹doing˺ better in their actions. ˹And˺ I will transform all that is on it into layers of dust and barren land…” (18:7-8)
Regarding children as I mentioned that is their test and refinement for the reuniting, they may also be a means to test others:
“….His reason is to test some of you by using others… (47:4)
“Our Lord! Do not turn us into a test for the disbelievers and forgive us, our Master because it’s You who are the Almighty and the One who passes Judgement…” (60:5)
Your wealth and your children are a difficult test and God has the most amazing compensation with Him. (64:15)
A final note is the suffering they went through now they will not care about in Paradise as mentioned in the hadith:
It was narrated from Anas bin Malik that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“On the Day of Resurrection the disbeliever who lived the most luxurious will be brought, and it will be said: ‘Dip him once in Hell.’ So he will be dipped in it, then it will be said to him: ‘O so- and-so, have you every enjoyed any pleasure?’ He will say: ‘No, I have never enjoyed any pleasure.’ Then the believer who suffered the most hardship and trouble will be brought and it will be said: ‘Dip him once in Paradise.’ So he will be dipped in it and it will be said to him: ‘O so-and-so, have you ever suffered any hardship or trouble?’ He will say: ‘I have never suffered any hardship or trouble.’”
https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:4321
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One more thing .
This questioner believes that people suffer because of their sins in previous life, so infants suffer because they committed sins in their previous life.
What is the correct response to this theory?
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Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,
Guys, I don’t mean to reveal the sin, but yesterday I had in mind to insult Allah Almighty but didn’t uttered words of blasphemy and the cause of this is the extreme depression which is caused by this thinking that I will be in Hellfire if I have missed prayer without a legitimate excuse and I was even forced to go to therapist and I tried to find excuses just to skip therapy session in favor of obeying Allah Almighty.
And I even had these questions in my head “why did Allah created me if He already condemned me to Hellfire?” and “why do I worship Allah if I’ll go to Hellfire anyways?”
so my questions are:
1. Have I committed a sin yesterday?
2. Am I excused for having such feelings but yet did not uttered them?
Jazak Allah Khair
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Hey so since discussion on the topic of “Muhammad(s.a.w) being in the song of Solomon(a.s)” or conversely that he not in there is brought up again I wanted to ask anyone on here who knows arabic and hebrew, or at the very least has access to said knowledge to confirm something for me.
A long time ago, (And I mean VERY long) I saw a video on youtube addressing this argument and alleged prophecy. The video itself attempted to disprove the claim but started out in an interesting way. It directly compared the arabic name of the prophet Muhammad(s.a.w) and the hebrew word in question within the song.
The video showed that each letter corresponded to one another in their respective alphabets and actually admitted that for all intents and purposes it would be the prophets(s.a.w) name in hebrew.
Now it then said that this on its own is not convincing and went on to attempt to discredit the claim with the context of the song and whatnot. I want to know if this is actually true or not. I would bring the video but it was ages ago since I saw it and have had no luck in finding it so far.
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@ Vaqas
While interesting on the trilateral root sounding similar being neutral that in and of itself doesn’t mean much because we don’t pronunciation for classical Hebrew. Also looking up etymology “machmad” means to desire while “Muhammad” means to be praised. When you couple that with the context I’m still not convinced. However, with that being said that also means Christians can’t try and force their interpretation of Christ(as) into the text.
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@Stew
The context issue doesn’t really work in this case since the argument for it being a prophecy is based on historical readings by both Jews and Christians that it is an allegory of the love between God and his people.
Ironically the strongest argument against there being any prophetic nature to the book would come from the Muslim paradigm. That is, given the Islamic concept of modesty would God really use such a book as a foretelling of our faith? The answer to that contention could be that the specific passage in question deemed to be prophetic was subsumed into a larger vulgar text that got carried away with the marriage metaphor.
Not saying I agree/disagree with the notion it is a prophecy of the prophet Muhammad(s.a.w) btw. I’m actually pretty indifferent to it. Like I said I just wanted clarification on the specific point that claimed the arabic name and hebrew word corresponded to each other with their lettering.
The only time I’ve ever used the text was to make a point against the “he shall be called a nazarene” prophecy. That Christians have no ground to stand on or standard to reject the prophetic reading into song of songs when the case for that is FAR stronger in my opinion than the excuses and justifications for the nazarene prophecy.
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@stew
Assalaamu alaikum
How do we refute those who say that Islam is false cause the knowledge of what’s in the womb is considered to be one of the 5 keys of the unseen?
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@Mansur
It is a matter of the unseen when you add in the hadith explaining. From the 40 ahadith of Imam An Nawwawi hadith number 4:
On the authority of Abdullah ibn Masood (ra), who said:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), and he is the truthful, the believed, narrated to us, “Verily the creation of each one of you is brought together in his mother’s womb for forty days in the form of a nutfah (a drop), then he becomes an alaqah (clot of blood) for a like period, then a mudghah (morsel of flesh) for a like period, then there is sent to him the angel who blows his soul into him and WHO IS COMMANDED WITH FOUR MATTERS: to write down his rizq (sustenance), his life span, his actions, and whether he will be happy or unhappy (i.e., whether or not he will enter Paradise). By the One, other than Whom there is no deity, verily one of you performs the actions of the people of Paradise until there is but an arms length between him and it, and that which has been written overtakes him, and so he acts with the actions of the people of the Hellfire and thus enters it; and verily one of you performs the actions of the people of the Hellfire, until there is but an arms length between him and it, and that which has been written overtakes him and so he acts with the actions of the people of Paradise and thus he enters it.”
Notice nothing is mentioned about gender etc (which quick note even now they mess this up using a real life example it was claimed I had spina bifida which is untrue but I digress) What is mentioned is:
1. How much you things you will be provided with
2. How long you’ll live
3. What is every action you will ever do
4. Whether you will go to Heaven or Hell
Can they see any of this in the womb? Obviously not and they never can.
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Also that no one can know when it will rain except Allah
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@ Mansur
1. First off they mess up predicting the weather all the time (its actually a running gag)
2. Nobody knows the exact moment until Allah reveals it (through clouds forming in the sky etc) For example ask them whether it will rain in 6 weeks without making any observations. Just like I might have an idea that a business deal is going down tomorrow I have no idea if I will for sure have that in my pocket guaranteed.
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Please answer my question which I have asked above
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Assalamu’ alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,
Guys, am I allowed to ask Allah this favor?
Oh Allah, You are the Time so please reverse the time and once You reversed the time please Make me interested in finding the truth and grant me Bible prior to age of 15 so I can study it and memorize it, and after please Decree To give me Guidance and after I receive Guidance, please grant me Quran as well so I can study it and memorize it and be like Ahmad Deedat. Because, I haven’t received any attack from any disbeliever just as how other reverts and born Muslims receive attacks, and when I read Quran 2:120, I got frightened thinking that I might be a hypocrite if I haven’t received any attack, and once You reversed the time, please protect me from disbelief and polytheism whole my life until I pass away as a true believer, and once You reversed the time, please Make me from among successful in both worlds(worldly life and Hereafter)
Jazak Allah Khair
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More evidence mark ended where it did
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Can you please tell me about marriage of zaynab and Muhammad(saw)
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@knowledge
Walakum salam wa rahma tu lahi wa barakatu, basic summary:
1. Prophet Muhammad(ﷺ) married his son he adopted before Islam, Zaid(ra) to his cousin Zaynab(ra). Zaynab(ra) was from a prestigious tribe and was hesitant to marry Zaid(ra) because he was a former slave but did it anyway.
2. Their marriage which lasted about a year had issues because of the class diffrence. Zaid(ra) would come complaining to the Prophet(ﷺ) about his wife. Allah revealed to the Prophet(ﷺ) that Zaynab(ra) would be married to him and he was embarrassed to say it because people treated adopted children as if they’re literal children and culturally among Arabs this was seen as marrying your actual daughter (this is why Aisha(ra) said if there was ever any verses the Prophet(ﷺ) could have removed and hidden these would have been it.) So he (ﷺ) basically said “Hold onto to your wife and keep having taqwa” as a means of encouraging him to not divorce.
3. Zaid(ra) ends up divorcing Zaynab(ra) and the hypocrites start kicking up drama which Allah then reveals the following from Surah Ahzab:
“When you said to the man who was favored by Allah as well as you: “Hold on tight to your wife and stay God-fearing,” you hid in yourself, what Allah would later reveal, because you were afraid of the people, but it’s more fitting that you fear Allah. When Zaid no longer wanted to be with her, I gave her to you in marriage so that it wouldn’t be difficult for the believers to marry their adopted son’s ex-wives who they were no longer intimate with. Allah’s commands must be carried out. The Prophet is not at fault for what Allah has decreed on him. This was Allah’s way with those who came before and Allah’s command will be fulfilled. Allah’s reckoning is enough for those who convey Allah’s messages and fear only Him.” (33:37-39)
And that’s it. Allah is basically saying He doesn’t care about what your culture does this is Allah’s laws and they will be fullfilled regardless. What the kuffar are making a big deal of is a 2nd version of the story that is the same as what i said but between the divorce part, basically the Prophet(ﷺ) is supposed to have come to see Zaid(ra) and Zaynab(ra) answers the door in more casual clothing which upon seeing her beauty goes: “All praise be to Allah who controls the hearts” as he turns around and leaves, leaving Zaynab(ra) standing there confused. She tells the story to Zaid(ra) and Zaid (ra) is like “Perfect I’ll divorce you and he can marry you!” And the Prophet(ﷺ) tells him to fear Allah and don’t divorce her. And then they later divorce etc.
Even though this version has no chain the main thing is…so what? They didn’t sin, the couple divorced on their own and it’s not haram to marry an adopted child’s ex.
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@ knowledge
Oh yeah and the last point the thing about version 2 as well that doesn’t make sense is….this was all revealed before the hijab was sent down. So it’s hard to imagine in our minds but Muslim women wore regular clothing at this time so the Prophet (ﷺ) saw Zaynab (ra) in regular clothing before Islam and…even then. So why was he all of the sudden “awestruck” by her beauty when they have seen each other in regular clothing since they were kids and he could clearly see her attractiveness when he married her to Zaid(ra) because she didn’t wear hijab yet.
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https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxoW8g2t6i_NxSDIYHTk1Ro9rNC800IpNH
this larry guy is a nutter.
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Assalaamu alaikum stew
How do we refute the idea that since humans have vestigial and purposeless organs, then that means that it negates the idea of a intelligent designer?
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Most so-called “vestigial” organs have now been shown to have important functions. For example, the appendix is now understood to play an important role in the lymphatic and immune systems.
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@ Mansur
Yeah, what Qb said about vesti…gal whatever… itis
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As-salamu alaykum Brothers, hope y’all have been good. Soo I got like 2 questions, when an Hadith is translated, how do we like know if that is the most authentic/closest translation of it..? And why do ppl say Muhammad Ali wouldn’t have been a Muslim?
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@Shrek
1. Simple answer if you’re not a native speaker…you don’t. The thing is from my limited knowledge there aren’t that many hadith translations in English (I can right now only think of Muhsin khan’s if you know anymore please share)
2. People just say stupid things because they’re unproductive and aren’t moving the deen forward themselves.
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@ Mansur
The Syriac manuscript is post Quran.
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@stew
Hey I have one question. Ya know about Alexander’s romance? The manuscript is late but the story itself is early. I heard a syriac version which is what is based on have been before the Quran for about a century. There are some undeniable connections with the story found in surah kahf so how do we refute it?
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“The manuscript is late but the story itself is early”
The quranic surah pre-dates that syriac version
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Even according to Nöldeke and Schwally, the date of the 18th Sūrah is around 615-616CE. However, the dating of the Syriac Legend is speculative like the romance and ALL the relevant Alexander legendarium which I will respond to shortly.
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The syriac Alexander’s legend was written around the Year 629-630 AD. The story of Dhul Qarnayn in Surah Kahf is before Hijri, It is a Mecca Surah. It is before the year 622.
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Thread: Over 20 1st Century AH manuscripts contain Sūrah 18. Specifically, Marcel 19 (ff. 3r, 3v) and M a VI 165 (ff. 9v, 10r, 10v) have verses 83-98 detailing the complete story of Dhul Qarnayn. Ms. Or. 2165 has 83-96 (ff. 47r, 47v) and Marcel 13 has 83-95 (ff. 16r, 16v).
Game over
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@stew
Hey I’m wondering about the secular stance on the issue. This is not a doubt but I’m just curious about what secular scholars think about the theory.
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Does everything happens by Allah’s will?
If yes then why people disbelieve in Islam?
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@ Abdullah
1. “Does everything happens by Allah’s will?”
Yes
2. “If yes then why people disbelieve in Islam?”
Because they have no good in them.
“… He only misguides those who are disobedient and corrupt.” (2:26)
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I was hanging around outside yesterday and heard some kids arguing, they were like “my mom said this so this is this, my dad said that so that is that”, it was all about whose dad or mom said what…
I was thinking Christian apologetics isn’t any different with how pre-schoolers argue, replace mom and dad with scholar X and Y and you get the same theatrics, they will always tell is what this and that scholar said without questioning how they came to a particular conclusion…
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@Too Fast
What! Are you saying they take their pastors as their lords instead of Allah?
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As Salam aleykoum, I have a question which bothered me since I began studying Islamic History . I have difficulty to reconcile Islam as being the true religion and the fact that Allah let Christians (who are supposed to follow a false religion )dominating the whole world from the discovery of the New World until the decolonisation.And people in America weren’t introduced to the message of Islam until very recently and Christians literally spread their religion everywhere . How can we solve the issue ?
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@foed190
Walakum salam wa rahma tu lahi wa barakatu, going to break your post up:
1. “Allah let Christians (who are supposed to follow a false religion )dominating the whole world from the discovery of the New World until the decolonisation.”
Allah says:
“So stay strong and do not weaken or grieve, if you’re true believers because it’s you who will be victorious. If pain touched you, then be sure a similar pain has also touched them. I shift these days back and forth among people so that Allah can make ˹it˺ clear who really believes and choose those that would testify to that Truth with their lives from among you, not ˹because˺ Allah loves those who do evil. This is also so Allah can refine and purify those who believe and little by little choke the life from those who disbelieve. Or did you think that you would enter Paradise when Allah has not yet exposed those who would keep struggling and remaining patient? (3:39-40)
This was revealed after Uhud the only lost (or draw depending on who you ask) of the Prophet’s (ﷺ) military career. Allah never said no calamity would ever strike the Ummah. Even during the time of the Prophet (ﷺ) and the Khalifah Rashidun; Muslims lost battles or bad stuff happened. It’s not a test if we just constantly steamroll everything (though generally speaking we do) Furthermore, it was already predicted by the Prophet (ﷺ) that we would be in this condition:
Thawban reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Soon the nations will be summoned to you just like one is invited to a feast.” It was said, “Will we be few in that day?” The Prophet said, “No, rather, you will be many in that day, but you will be scum like flowing down a torrent. And Allah will take the fear of you from the chests of your enemies and Allah will insert feebleness in your hearts.” It was said, “O Messenger of Allah, what is this feebleness?” The Prophet said, “Love for the worldly life and hatred of death.” (Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4297)
Also, he (ﷺ) said it wouldn’t last:
“Prophethood will last with you as long as Allah wants it to last. Then there will be Khilafah according to the method of Prophethood, and it will last for as long as Allah wishes, then He will lift it if He wishes. Then there will be hereditary rule (ملكًا عاضًا), and it will last for as long as Allah wishes, then He will lift it if He wishes. Then there will be an oppressive rule (ملكًا جبرية), and it will last for as long as Allah wishes, then He will lift it if He wishes. Then there will be a Khilafah on the method of Prophethood.” Then he (saw) fell silent”. (Al-Bayhaqi 2843)
And:
The Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: “This matter (the Caliphate) will be after me in Madinah, then in Al-Sham, then in the Peninsula, then in Iraq, then in the City, then in Bait ul-Maqdis. If it is in Bait ul-Maqdis, its home country is there, and no people will be able to remove it, so it will return to them forever.” (Ibn Asakir, Tarikh Dimashiq 368)
But even with this good news what happens next? More fitna:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Hawalah al-Azdi:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) sent us on foot to get spoil, but we returned without getting any. When he saw the signs of distress on our faces, he stood up on our faces and said: O Allah, do not put them under my care, for I would be too weak to care for them; do not put them in care of themselves, for they would be incapable of that, and do not put them in the care of men, for they would choose the best things for themselves. He then placed his hand on my head and said: Ibn Hawalah, when you see the caliphate has settled in the holy land, earthquakes, sorrows and serious matters will have drawn near and on that day the Last Hour will be nearer to mankind than this hand of mine is to your head. (Sunan Abi Dawud 2535)
Then you go into Mahdi, Dajjal etc. Also, as a note they don’t “dominate” anything we just aren’t united or that stuff would end with the quickness.
2. “…people in America weren’t introduced to the message of Islam until very recently”
What happens here is from what we know Allah judges each of these individuals based on their condition (quick note though Muslims have been in America since slavery times) From Sheikh Munajjid:
“It is part of the justice of Allaah that He does not punish any people until He has first sent a warning to them and unless there is evidence against them. Allaah does not treat anybody unfairly. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning). [al-Israa 17:15]…A person who has never heard of Islam or the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and who has never heard the message in its correct and true form, will not be punished by Allaah if he dies in a state of kufr (disbelief). If it were asked what his fate will be, the answer will be that Allaah will test him on the Day of Resurrection: if he obeys, he will enter Paradise and if he disobeys he will enter Hell. The evidence (daleel) for this is the hadeeth of al-Aswad ibn Saree, who reported that the Prophet of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: There are four (who will protest) to Allaah on the Day of Resurrection: the deaf man who never heard anything, the insane man, the very old man, and the man who died during the fatrah (the interval between the time of Eesaa (Jesus, upon whom be peace) and the time of Muhammad SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)). The deaf man will say, O Lord, Islam came but I never heard anything. The insane man will say, O Lord, Islam came but the children ran after me and threw stones at me. The very old man will say, O Lord, Islam came but I did not understand anything. The man who died during the fatrah will say, O Lord, no Messenger from You came to me. He will accept their promises of obedience, then word will be sent to them to enter the Fire. By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, if they enter it, it will be cool and safe for them.
According to another report, he said: Whoever enters it, it will be cool and safe for him, and whoever does not enter it will be dragged to it.
(The hadeeth was reported by Imaam Ahmad and Ibn Hibbaan, and deemed saheeh by al-Albaani, Saheeh al-Jaami, 881).
Everyone who hears the message of Islam in a sound and correct form (and rejects it), will have evidence aginst him. Whoever dies without having heard the message, or having heard it in a distorted form, then his case is in the hands of Allaah. Allaah knows best about His creation, and He will never treat anyone unfairly. And Allaah is All-Seer of His slaves.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1244/the-fate-of-kuffaar-who-did-not-hear-the-message-of-islam
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Let’s hypothetically say that christians dominating the world for a long time somehow makes Christianity a true religion, would that still answer the doubts that you have or that we have in regard to theology etc
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Was doing a “Where they At?” and apparently 2 fan favorites Temple and Shamoun got beef (Hilariously they can’t even engage in a debate about their pagan doctrines without putting Islam in the conversation):
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🤣😂 Hassamo is truly at war with everyone! I mean Pennywise is a joke himself but he certainly gets points for critiquing Hassamo.
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@Stew
Oh wow, they kept going at it. I actually saw they had beef awhile ago and bookmarked this hilarious little gem of a comment.
Didn’t know they were still arguing after that though.
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Lol, why does Pennywise keep saying “hung on”? What does that mean?
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@QB
Apparently from what I gather Ken called Sam either on a program of his, privately, or both to advise him about his behavior and was hung up on.
More hilarious to me is the fact Ken called the adding of Mary(a.s) to prayers idolatry yet still probably thinks “The Quran got the trinity wrong when it says Christians worshiped Mary(a.s)”
And that a possible explanation for Sam’s behavior according to Ken is too much knowledge of Quran and Hadith!
Yup Islam is apparently so bad even knowing about it’s teachings and scripture to refute it can corrupt a person…
Like even if he most likely said it as a joke what the actual hell?
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Lol, Pennywise is a clown too, so I don’t know why he’s so mad at the king of clowns.
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@ QB
Well to be fair if we’re going to give Tenple points for calling out Hassamo, then Sam gets points for demonstrating Pennyw- I mean Temple’s inconsistencies on Church Father doctrine.
Ps
Even Sam called Temple a liar 🤣💀
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Lol, of course.
Eid Mubarak bro.
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@Vaqas
Yeah that definitely shows the dishonesty when he clearly thinks Christians who pray to Mary(as) are idolaters. That’s why I couldn’t talk to him anymore he is very… dishonesty I think was Shamoun’s word choice.
Ugh and that other person is the worst. Correct me if I’m wrong but Shamoun was never a murtad just an Assyrian Christian.
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I remember someone told me that Hassamo used to be in the Nation of Islam. I was shocked myself.
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@Stew
It’s always wild to me cause non Catholics will often explicitly call such reverence idolatry and worship yet still say the usual “Quran is wrong about beliefs” nonsense.
Exhibit A:
https://carm.org/roman-catholicism/do-catholics-worship-mary/
As for Kens dishonesty, yeah but well we already knew that. I still remember when he made the claim in this blog post
That “Some Muslim scholars say Jihad is the sixth pillar of action”
When I challenged him for a source he of course couldn’t provide one and made no attempts to correct said claim.
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@QB
Lol oh my bad QB that was rude of me. Eid Mubarak. Soooo yeah I now have realized they’re both stupid not just manipulators because neither one of them defended their positions well other than “Well the Church Fathers said it…” while claiming Sol Scriptua
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@quranandbibleblog
The NOI?!?!?! Yeah I am absolutely dying too hear that story…
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Zakir Hussain told me this. He said Hassamo admitted it in a debate with Farhan Qureshi.
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And apparently, this happened when he was in prison in the 90s. Yeah, Hassamo has a criminal record.
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@QB
Oh please Shamoun ain’t about that life…but it does make sense for him to be a munafiq….hmmmm…tough call.
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@Stew
If this video is the content that QB is referencing,
then it’s more interesting as he actually left Christianity for noi!
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@ Vaqas
So he threw his religious beliefs in the gutter for protection then abandoned what protected him later like a little munafiq…interesting…
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Eid Mubarak everyone,
Guys, how will Allah deal with people that has Asperger, OCD sand Di-George after death and in Hereafter? Will they too be punished in their graves and in Hereafter? If no, can I have evidence from statements of the scholars from past and from Quran and Sunnah? And how will Allah deal with them on the Day of Judgement? CanI have some examples of how He will deal with them?
Jazak Allah Khair
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@alexanderabood
A lot of factors apply in the discussion but possibly it would fall under this hadith:
“al-Aswad ibn Saree, who reported that the Prophet of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: There are four (who will protest) to Allaah on the Day of Resurrection: the deaf man who never heard anything, the insane man, the very old man, and the man who died during the fatrah (the interval between the time of Eesaa (Jesus, upon whom be peace) and the time of Muhammad SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)). The deaf man will say, O Lord, Islam came but I never heard anything. The insane man will say, O Lord, Islam came but the children ran after me and threw stones at me. The very old man will say, O Lord, Islam came but I did not understand anything. The man who died during the fatrah will say, O Lord, no Messenger from You came to me. He will accept their promises of obedience, then word will be sent to them to enter the Fire. By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, if they enter it, it will be cool and safe for them.
According to another report, he said: Whoever enters it, it will be cool and safe for him, and whoever does not enter it will be dragged to it.
(The hadeeth was reported by Imaam Ahmad and Ibn Hibbaan, and deemed saheeh by al-Albaani, Saheeh al-Jaami, 881).
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1244/the-fate-of-kuffaar-who-did-not-hear-the-message-of-islam
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So I got a question for you guys. I first started saying this mostly as a joke but I’m really starting to wonder, can sheer stupidity be used as an excuse on the day of judgement?
Not mental impairment, special needs, or effecting sanity but someone being not smart enough to see the proofs of Islam/gullible enough to accept everything said against it.
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@ Vaqas
Well:
“When they’re cast into it, they’ll hear it heave as it boils forth, about to explode in a frenzied rage. Whenever a batch is thrown in… they’ll say: “Had we just listened or used our intelligence, we wouldn’t have been among the dwellers of the growing Fire!” They will then recognize and confess their shameful sins. So away with the Inferno’s prisoners!” (67:7-11)
“This is a message to every nation so that they can be warned by it and know that He is the only God. And so that those who have understanding can remember…” (14:52)
So ong story short…no and…screw em.
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@QB
So as I was sitting here watching your video:
Is kaffir “scholar” basically promoting the idea that there is a multitude of “gods” amongst each nation and they’re all real?
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Yeah, lol. That’s what it seems like. I don’t how he is still a Christian.
He’s right, though. Psalm 82 definitely promotes the “divine council” concept that was common in pagan mythology.
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@QB
I…just can’t today. My man seemed too happy He gets to bring Odin and Hercules back to the table.
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Well, he probably meant Ba’al and Ahsherah. 🤣
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@QB
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Is there anyone who has knowledge about Hinduism?
I want to know about forgery and corruption in Hindu scriptures such as Ramayana, Mahabharata and Vedas.
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@ Paul
Here are some introductory articles:
https://vedkabhed.com/index.php/2014/01/02/origin-of-vedas-their-inspiration-and-authority/
https://vedkabhed.com/index.php/2014/01/02/textual-corruption-of-the-vedas/
And basically, all the cow worshippers could respond with was:
“Well…the Vedas is just used to decode knowledge and you don’t have to believe everything and can just pick and choose what you like.”
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Oh and here’s another about the Vedas being reworked like Homer’s Illiad:
https://3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2011/12/the-bhagavad-gita-revisited-part-1.html
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Thank you.
But part 2 is missing, do you know where can I read part 2 of this article?
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@ Paul
Here is Pt 2:
https://3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2012/01/the-bhagavad-gita-revisited-part-2.html
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To *add* to the arguments there’s no way to know the original form of any of the texts or trace its exact source and dating especially the Vedas which is attested as being authoritative and divinely inspired which is an instant deal breaker for believing in a “divine” text which condemns those who doesn’t believe in it
Once again just to *add*, I personally find it weird that despite the vedas that we have today quite explicitly demonstrates that it originates from ascetics, we have other ancient texts (puranas, upanishads) spanning over centuries from each other having contradictory mythical theories about its divine origins, this either shows that
1) The vedas that we have today isn’t the same as in the past id est it is heavily interpolated
2) basic/proper erudition of the vedas was next to nothing over centuries and the ramifications of it speaks for itself
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@Top Gun
My main issue with the Dharmic cycles is…how do you know? If everyone is constantly being reborn (despite easily accountable population growth) how did the 1st person “break” the cycle and inform everyone else?
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Even if they appeal to “divine revelation” to believe in it, the doctrine of rebirth is nowhere found in the vedas
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@ Top
Wait…there’s nothing in the Vedas about reincarnation?
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Nope…there’s nothing at all…not even a vague allusion or anything….
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Forgot to mention that there are some ridiculously faulty translations being spread out there to prove the doctrine and that too ironically and primarily by arya samaj reformists, their founder while calling himself a reformist seemed to find it hard to let go some of the mainstream beliefs he had before changing his ideology….or he was simply a nincompoop which i doubt….coz the word “rebirth” in his translations isn’t even found in the sanskrit…whether it was out of bias and dishonesty…or out of stupidity…is up to everyone to judge.
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I forgot the right place to ask Hadith database related questions so I’m asking it here.
I saw someone(not sure if they are a Christian or Atheist or the like) use hadith to say Islam does believe in a global flood as well as being scientific inaccurate on top of it.
The main hadith in question
https://sunnah.com/adab:767
Another used to emphasize the milky way statement in order to criticize it
https://sunnah.com/adab:766
The gist of the argument is the rainbow being a security for the people of the earth that they will not be drowned is referencing the biblical account which is obviously global and the mentioning of the people of the earth as a whole as opposed to one tribe or people confirms it. The milky way stuff is added on to show Islam as being unscientific.
Was wondering what a good response would be.
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@Vaqas
Looking at answer one regarding the rainbow people the earth etc. That does not neccesitate a “global flood”. This was dealt with in QB’s Noah article I think. Basically all humans on earth at that point were Nuh’s(as) nation. So for example, imagine 1000 humans gathered in some area in Iraq. When the Flood came in that localized area they were all destroyed thus most humans “on Earth”. And then it kept going from there.
Regarding part 2 I would have to research more what us being translated as the “Milky Way” and even then let’s say it was stated neither of these are binding upon us as these are the statements of Sahaba(ra) not the Prophet (ﷺ) thus we are not bound to their opinions. And Allah hu alim.
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https://quranandbibleblog.com/2021/11/27/the-prophet-robbed-caravans-%f0%9f%a4%a6%e2%80%8d%e2%99%82%ef%b8%8f/
Someone asked a question about Prophet attacking caravan of Quraysh in this open forum.
I think stew answered it he said prophet attacked that caravan because that caravan was carrying goods of Muslims which Quraysh took or stole.
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@Thinking Man
Salamulalakum wa rahma tu lahi wa barakatu. I’ll try my best to explain while trying to keep concise:
What you have to remember what we call the Muhajiroon were essentially refugees. Many of them had to abandon all they had and fled to Madinah. When they ran Quraish took their belongings and sold them. So when Muslims got to Madinah Allah finally gave them permission to fight after 13 years of persecution (so even if they hadn’t stolen Muslim refugee things it was still a cause for fighting). First from the Seerah the Sealed Nectar (emphasis mine throughout):
“News reached the Muslims about a very large Makkan trading caravan that was headed northwards towards Ash-Sham (Syria and surrounding regions) and that was traveling with a large quantity of wealth and merchandise. The caravan was headed by Abu Sufyaan and was guarded by thirty-four men. Seeing an opportunity of GETTING BACK AT LEAST PART OF WHAT QURAISH HAD STOLEN FROM THE MUSLIMS, the Prophet ﷺ sent a man named Basbas
ibn ‘Amr to gather information about the caravan. When Basbas returned with sure news of the caravan, the Messenger of Allah ﷺ exhorted his Companions & to accompany him in order to go out and overtake the caravan. He said to them, “This is the caravan of the Quraish (coming), and in it is their wealth, so go out to it, and perhaps Allah will grant it to you as booty The Prophet ﷺ then left Al-Madeenah on the twelfth of Ramadan, in the year 2 H.” (Pg.132 Sealed Nectar)
Furthermore, the Quran itself makes an indirect reference to this in Surah Hashr when Allah is making rulings about what to do with war booty in which there was no combat for:
“Whatever property from them that God has restored to His Messenger, you spurred neither a horse nor camel for its acquisition. God however imposes the authority of His Messengers over whoever He wishes, ˹because˺ God has power over all things. Whatever gains God has turned over to His Messenger from the inhabitants of the villages belongs to God, the Messenger, his relatives, orphans, the poor and needy travelers. This is so it doesn’t just circulate among those of you who are rich. Take whatever the Messenger has given you and refrain from whatever he has forbidden you. Fear God because God is harsh in His punishment. THERE IS ALSO TO BE A SHARE FOR THE POOR IMMIGRANTS WHO WERE DRIVEN FROM THEIR HOMES AND POSSESSIONS, and are seeking God’s Bounty and approval, ˹while˺ also helping God and His Messenger. ˹Because˺ they are true in both word and deeds.” (59:6-8)
Now once you show this because they don’t really care about the truth they’re going to say either:
A. The skirmishes that happened pre-Badr
B. We later “lied” and modified the story to make the Muslims look good
Response are:
A. The skirmishes were reconnaissance missions to get a feel for the area while putting on a show of force to Quraish and any non-neutral neighboring tribes while cutting off one of two major caravan routes in order to bleed Quraish out economically. This was smart and the main reason there weren’t that many casualties in 10 years of fighting.
B. The Quran repeatedly mentions as a cause of war to the Muslims by mentioning they were attacked first for example Surah Taubah (their favorite Surah to quote)
How can you not fight a people who’ve broken their word, tried to drive out the Messenger, and attacked you first? Do you fear them? It’s God you should fear if you’re people with true faith.
Fight them! God will punish them by your hands and humiliate them! He will aid you against them and heal what’s in the chest of people who believe, by removing the anger and frustration from their hearts. God accepts whoever He wishes into His mercy because God is the All-knowing and the One who passes Judgement. (9:13-15)
As can be seen, attacked first is the rallying call. Also, question…while rousing up the Muslims why is there “anger and frustration” in their hearts? Oh yeah, the persecution and having my stuff taken.
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These passage mentioned below is from Gita:
Krishna enjoins Arjuna to ‘seek
refuge in the attitude of detachment … those who are
motivated only by the desire for the fruits of action are
miserable, for they are constantly anxious about the
results of what they do.’ But in those who are detached,
‘all vain anxiety is left behind. There is no cause for
worry, whether things go well or ill … thus they attain a
state beyond all evil’ and attain Moksha. Several times he
instructs Arjuna to ‘Act selflessly, without any thought of
personal profit.’
(A)Is it correct or wrong to think about results of one’s actions?
(B)What is the Islamic point of view on ‘thinking about results of someone’s action’?
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@ Paul
(A)Is it correct or wrong to think about results of one’s actions?
(B)What is the Islamic point of view on ‘thinking about results of someone’s action’?
These are quasi interconnected so I’ll answer together:
I would say…it depends. Basically, the Gita is stating something general as in “relax and stop worrying about what’s going to happen so much”. And there is truth in this, many things are beyond our control but we do what we humanly can do and then put our trust in Allah. This is part of the 6 articles of faith regarding the “good and bad that come from Qadr (Destiny)”
Hence the concept of “tying your camel”. First the hadith:
Anas ibn Malik reported: A man said, “O Messenger of Allah, should I tie my camel and trust in Allah, or should I leave her untied and trust in Allah?” The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Tie her and trust in Allah.”
Your job is to simply tie the camel so it doesn’t go anywhere. Whether the camel gets loose, a thief comes and cuts the rope, etc. is in Allah’s decree and beyond your control so there’s no need to worry. You simply do your part.
With that being said, you should however account for yourself in regards to the Hereafter and things you do to others. Allah says:
I’ve hung every person’s fate on their neck, and I’ll bring a Book out for them on the Day of Resurrection which they will meet spread open… ˹So˺ read your Book! You today are enough of an accountant against yourself! (17:13-14)
This is similar to Umar’s(ra) statement:
“Bring yourself to account before you are brought to account. And weigh your deeds before your deeds are weighed.”
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@ Donquixote Doflamingo
Greetings and welcome to the blog. To begin forgive me if my question came off as harsher sounding in writing.
“It started with the 1st person. If he/she was bad then he/she got reincarnated. Same goes for his/her children.”
Copy. So to begin where did the 1st person and their children’s souls come from? Are new souls constantly being created? How did the “cycle” start? More on this in a sec.
“One more thing what population growth has to do with reincarnation?”
Because let’s say for example there is a finite amount of life forms on Earth (we’ll say a 100 to keep this simple) If there are 100 possible lifeforms, we can’t next year have 150 lifeforms. All the souls have to stay at 100 and shift around. There are WAY more humans now than in the beginning of time so where did these souls come from? Furthermore, why are all these new souls soul being formed all of a sudden when it just so happens to coincide with factors like more food resources, better healthcare, etc?
“Others knew about this because of Gita,Upanishads,etc. Moreover it doesn’t matters if others know about this or not, the main thing is don’t do bad things. Everyone knows if you do bad things you will be punished.”
If you don’t mind me asking how did the Gita, Upanishads, etc. author(s) find out about this? Someone had to break the cycle and then find out a way to communicate it to everyone. Also, what does breaking the cycle even matter for? Finally, I agree everyone knows not to do bad things (in Islam, we call this “fitrah”) but I am trying to figure out how this info on reincarnation came to the people to begin with.
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@Top Gun
My main issue with the Dharmic cycles is…how do you know? If everyone is constantly being reborn (despite easily accountable population growth) how did the 1st person “break” the cycle and inform everyone else?
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MAY 18, 2022 AT 9:04 PM
It started with the 1st person. If he/she was bad then he/she got reincarnated. Same goes for his/her children.
Others knew about this because of Gita,Upanishads,etc. Moreover it doesn’t matters if others know about this or not, the main thing is don’t do bad things. Everyone knows if you do bad things you will be punished.
One more thing what population growth has to do with reincarnation?
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He has a habit of misclicking
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Some questions,
Ignoring the debates whethere those texts are authoritative or not, how did people know about it before Upanishads, Puranas, Geeta and other post-Vedic literature?
“Moreover it doesn’t matters if others know about this or not, the main thing is don’t do bad things. Everyone knows if you do bad things you will be punished.”
Agreed about karma, but the question on the table is on what substratum do hindus believe in this central tenet, if there is no proper basis then most hindus are probably living a lie, agreed? There’s no way it can be proven outside literature, even literature wise the doctrine seems to be post vedic and above all how did the authors know about it…we have a conundrum here…and even if it was vedic (it isn’t), how did the ascetics know about it?
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“….how did people know about it before Upanishads, Puranas, Geeta”
*before the
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@stewjo004
””’let’s say for example there is a finite amount of life forms on Earth (we’ll say a 100 to keep this simple) If there are 100 possible lifeforms, we can’t next year have 150 lifeforms. All the souls have to stay at 100 and shift around. There are WAY more humans now than in the beginning of time so where did these souls come from? ”””
1) I am not a hindu.
2)Bro why do you think that souls are constant?
More souls come from god, isn’t this an answer?
If you ask a hindu about increasing souls then he/she will say they come from God.
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@ Donquixote Doflamingo
Sorry wasn’t sure.
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