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  1. Larry

    @ Quranandbibleblog
    You absolute moron! Are you sure you were a “Muslim”?

    Did you read Surah al-Qamar, you ignoramus? It talks about the Meccan pagans seeing a “sign” and calling it “magic”.
    They saw a miracle and rejected it. The verses you quoted don’t say that no miracles would be sent, dumb-dumb.

    I was a Muslim. My Dad, sister, brother, cousins, uncles and autys are still Muslim.

    Try a bit more when responding to my message. Anytime I talked about any scripture I always copy and paste the verse in English so that everyone can read.
    Show me the verse where it says Mohamed did Miracle in Surah al-Qamar

    Eg Mark 1:41-42

    Then Jesus, moved with compassion, stretched out His hand and touched him, and said to him, “I am willing; be cleansed.”
    42 As soon as He had spoken, immediately the leprosy left him, and he was cleansed

    I never said “all Jews” were present, nor is that a requirement, but your gospels suggests that a large number were there and would have witnessed
    the baptism and the voice form heaven. It is a direct contradiction of the Deuteronomy 18 prophecy.
    Your reply was pathetic and shows how ignorant you are of your own “gospels”, let alone of the Quran and Sunnah. S
    o, how about that Zoom? Let me know a good time for you.

    If you never said “all Jews” were present, then your claim about God speaking to “them JEWS” doesnt make sense. When God agreed not to speak to them, He meant the way
    He was speaking and eveyone of them can hear GOD not few of them ALL OF THEM. Clearly God spoke to people after Moses or do you think that was the first time
    since Moses God spoke ? anyway Not everyone that was Present when John baptisise Jesus Heard God. Hope this answer your question.

    A lot of people on here didnt agree with what you just said about bible lol. I bet when I start with you, you too will change what you said.

    If you want to audio conversation come on Clubhouse tomorrow 2PM uk time,I have a chat room that we can debate. if you dont have clubhouse you can download one and I can tell
    you to join the chat room tomorrow.

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    1. 😂😂 Again, loonie Larry deflects! Dumb-dumb, Surah al-Qamar, as every Muslim knows, was revealed on the occasion of the splitting of the moon. You’re pathetic, man! Even if you were a Muslim, you were obviously abhorrently ignorant.

      Lol, notice how you dance around the plain fact that MANY Jews were present at the alleged baptism. It literally says “all” of Jerusalem and Judea! 😂 Of course, that doesn’t mean every single person was present. It is meant to show that a very large crowd was present. But again, it doesn’t matter because the context of Deut 18 says nothing about “every” Jew having to hear the voice of God. This is just you trying to weasel your way out of a contradiction. Nice try, loonie Larry.

      Lol, I said are you ready for Zoom, and you say “let’s get on clubhouse”? What happened to Zoom? Don’t play games, loonie.

      Also, 2pm UK time is 9am EST, way too early for me. I can do 12:30 est on Zoom. That’s 5:30 UK time.

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      scum bag, can you mention one miracle john the baptist did in the new testament?

      you wrote :
      Show me the verse where it says Mohamed did Miracle in Surah al-Qamar

      question :
      quran is a revealation to the prophet muhammad
      quran says that it sent revealation to moses

      quran did not say that when Allah revealed torah to moses that it narrated in the following fashion: “and moses did x at place y….”

      i thought scum bag like u was a muslim, how come u didnt know this ?

      plus, if u were a muslim, how come u didn’t know that sources outside of the quran are considered to be from God?

      quote:
      Eg Mark 1:41-42

      Then Jesus, moved with compassion, stretched out His hand and touched him, and said to him, “I am willing; be cleansed.”
      42 As soon as He had spoken, immediately the leprosy left him, and he was cleansed

      sorry, jesus was not moved by compassion , but anger. if u were a muslim , how come u didnt know this?
      you are quoting mark mentioning this story , i can show you stories where leporasy has been cleansed by pagan saints, but neither this story or the story comes even fractionally close to the moon splitting miracle .

      you give us hansel and grettal story we give u eye witness testimony to the propjets miracles

      if u were a muslim, u would not even quote mark fairtale.

      u never were a muslim

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  2. Larry

    @ stewjo004

    Claims to have been a Muslim, doesn’t know how Muslims understand ahadith…

    So do you mean hadith is not word of mouth ? are you saying it was reveal too like you claim Quran was reveal to Mohamed? since you said I don’t understand Hadiths.. tell me exactly what I said about Hadith that was wrong lol.

    My dude it’s VERY obvious you were never a Muslim.
    Your story in and of itself was enough of a giveaway as not even a “bad” Muslim would try to “make bets” or ever talk to Allah in such a manner.
    You clearly are also “culturaly” ignorant of Muslim day to day interactions from what you said about polygyny and Muslim women,
    not knowing the Prophet (saw) performed miracles, thinking hadithrejectiors were common place (literally have only ever met them on the internet)
    and not knowing who is Ibn Hazm(rh). Muslims for the most part when they apostate become agnostic or atheist because EVERYBODY agrees Christianity is dumb. Y
    ou don’t even have the cadence of a Muslim as there are certain verbal habits that are just going stick culturally. From my interaction you are more than likely Desi
    (due to speech pattern) and maybe (and this is a big one) a convert from Hinduism to Christianity as you probably grew up around Muslims and heard them say things like
    “Ramadan” before without actually understanding it.

    Well last time I checked I still have Muslim name on my Passport and other Government document, at least 95% of my Father’s family are still Muslim and at least 80% of my mother’s side are still Muslim.lol Just because I converted doesn’t mean I was never a Muslim.

    Show me where Quran said Mohamed Perform Miracle , I have already show you Quran verses that shows He didn’t perform and reasons why. But maybe I don’t know or have not seen where its written in Quran. Or are you saying Hadiths Contradict Quran. I need to understand .. Qurans says No but Hadith says Yes.

    I ask you to show me where Ibn Hazm use New Testament to prove Jesus mentioned Mohamed in the bible and the reason I said that is because I know a lot of Muslim Preachers and Scholars that claim Jesus was talking about Mohamed in John 14 but you said you don’t follow those ones and If you remember I ask if anyone can prove using New Testament that Mohamed is not a fake prophet.
    Maybe I should ask you this question… All the Preachers and Scholars that believe Jesus was talking about Mohamed in John 14 are they all wrong? Also do you think Jesus was talking about Mohamed in John 14

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    1. Hey buddy,

      You’re getting into my nerves!!

      How about if I give you clear proofs from Quran and Sunnah that Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings of God be upon him) performed miracles? Will you then get lost!?

      Also, why you want to know if Prophet Muhammad merformed miracles or no? You should know that every true Prophet and Messenger of God had unique miracles.

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    2. stewjo004

      @ Looney Larry

      “Show me where Quran said Mohamed Perform Miracle…”

      54:1. The Hour has drawn near and the moon has split.
      54:2. Yet when they see a SIGN, they ignore it and say: “Same old magic.”
      54:3. They call it a lie and follow their whims and desires, but every matter will be settled.
      54:4. Cautionary tales have reached them,
      54:5. (containing) profound wisdom, but all the warnings will be of no use.

      Of course, being a former “Muslim” and all you would know your hadith challenge was retarded as both are authoritative in our religion and we don’t pick and choose from it like you do with the Bible.

      https://media3.giphy.com/media/QWqBJUahGasoZtbBt3/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47gezndu0aqzt670i4kz8w12oebhb10n2ur1t0sa5e&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

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    3. stewjo004

      @ Looney Larry

      1. “I ask you to show me where Ibn Hazm use New Testament to prove Jesus mentioned Mohamed in the bible..”

      And I, like Ibn Hazm, you kaffir have stated the Tawrat and Injeel are NOT the Bible. if you weren’t so busy focusing on voices in your head and did some basic studying you would know his position:

      Ibn Hazm and His Study Toward Christianity: Ibn Hazm’s study of religions is based on what may be called a textual, empirical and common sense methods… Interestingly enough, in Ibn Hazm’s discussion, he does not question so much of the sources, authorship gradual development and reduction of the gospels and to refute their identification with what the Qur’an terms as al-Injil. His main concern is to prove that neither the four gospels nor the other books of the New Testament are worthy of even being called authentic books of history due to their internal and mutual inconsistencies and contradictions, let alone their claim as scriptures and the inspired Word of God. To him, the authors of the gospels were neither the true apostles of Jesus, nor preservers of his original teachings and message. Instead, they had tampered with the true teachings of Jesus and forged the Gospels, mixing truth with falsehood… His purpose however is to prove that these gospels, as extant and that scriptures by the Christians, are not true and coherent reports on and about Jesus, nor revelation or scripture from God….”

      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/253239863_Ibn_Hazm_on_Christianity_An_Analysis_to_His_Religious_Approaches

      2. “… I know a lot of Muslim Preachers and Scholars that claim Jesus was talking about Mohamed in John 14…”

      And I have stated I do not care nor have quoted it so it’s irrelevant to the discussion

      3. “… If you remember I ask if anyone can prove using New Testament that Mohamed is not a fake prophet…”

      Yes, I remember I brought some proof, and because you’re a kaffir you denied 3 prophets were expected made up crap and just further justified your punishment in Hell as you made up stuff out of your butt. And hilariously enough the challene was stupid as the NT doesn’t talk about criterion for prophets period.

      4. “…Maybe I should ask you this question… All the Preachers and Scholars that believe Jesus was talking about Mohamed in John 14 are they all wrong? Also do you think Jesus was talking about Mohamed in John 14”

      Don’t know, don’t care.

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  3. mr.heathcliff

    “Eg Mark 1:41-42

    Then Jesus, moved with compassion, stretched out His hand and touched him, and said to him, “I am willing; be cleansed.”
    42 As soon as He had spoken, immediately the leprosy left him, and he was cleansed”

    you are comparing this hansel and grettal fairy tale in kids book to the eye witnesses testimony to the miracle of the prophet ? how can you do such injustice? how can u claim to be former muslim ?

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  4. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I discovered that QuranX.com is runner by another scumbag ex-Muslim! And I cannot trust the information about Islam which disbelievers bring, because I know they are blatant liars and deceivers.

    I want to quote Commentary of Ibn Kathir from Muslim website and NOT from kafir website.

    And I wish to quote Commentary al Qurtubi from a Muslim website and NOT from kafir website.

    I want to also receive glad tidings of Paradise before death so I can relax knowing I’m from People of Paradise and not from People of Hellfire.

    Also, I wish to start abusing ISIS, Al Qaida, Muslim Broherhood, Taliban, Hezbollah, Al Nusra, Boko Haram etc. Because they are pure evil and I hate cruelty and deception. I honestly hate powerfully Khawarij.

    My questions are:

    1. Is there a Muslim website where I can quote commentaries of Ibn Kathir and Al Qurtubi?

    2. What can I do for me to receive glad tidings of Paradise before death?

    3. Is it possible to receive glad tidings of Paradise before death?

    4. Is it ok for me to study some criticism so I can start abusing Khawarij?

    Jazakhalakhair

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  5. Larry

    @ ASURA
    If you didn’t find no rational reason to believe that the Bible is historically reliable after hearing a voice then pray to God mercy to open your eyes and heart of understanding for you to see the things you cant see or understand.

    I never said I didn’t find bible reliable. Muslims are the one that don’t find it reliable. I was only telling you my experience.

    As expected you’re assuming that I’m misunderstanding something in the equation, remember when I asked you the question first time you rudimentally gave the same response, and then I proceeded to clarify I was hypothetically speaking in terms of absolute factuality and then I shared my thoughts and explained on how ridiculous it would be if someone actually does follow the bible after hearing the voice due to a lack of rational basis.

    I didn’t follow bible because I heard a voice.. you assumed.. I said after my encounter with holy spirit I believe Jesus is the way to father and bible is the book that teaches us about Jesus. If there is something in the bible that is manipulated God has the power to tell me not to follow the manipulated part if I want to follow it. If for some reason there is a new bible completely to the one we have today and teaches something different for example Jesus is not the way, I will not follow it because nothing can change the fact that Jesus is the way to Father.

    .

    To Answer the rest of your question .. I think you are the one that need to rethink .
    1. Do you actually believe in God? You need to ask yourself that question or do you believe in People?

    2. Like I said you are the one that assumed that to me it doesn’t matter if Bible is unreliable or unsound or not is irrelevant. It’s a very simple thing. If Christianity is the way that means whatever Quran says about Christianity and Bible is a lie and same thing goes for Islam, If Islam is the way that means everything Quran says about bible and Christianity is true. Let us apply common sense. Only 1 of these 2 is the way. Which ever 1 that is the TRUE religion will cancel whatever the other says, why should I care what a liar says if I can establish the person is a liar.. why should I care what Mohamed says if I can establish he is not a real prophet. Let me ask you this then to make it easy for you. If God appear to you now and say Christianity is the way, Which book will you follow Bible or Quran? Pls don’t tell me God cant or will not appear to me… Just answer as you can see I put IF in front of the question.. some of you people are waiting for something that will never happen that’s why I have to use that example. You need to know before Mohamed people that believe in all the prophets before Jesus and Jesus don’t have problem with Jesus being the way to father, a lot of people are converting to Christianity until Mohamed showed and said Islam is the way. So like I said if we can establish Mohamed is fake then I guess everyone will just continue to follow bible.

    3. You said It could be some evil whisperings to me and (for someone with *at least* a decent IQ) dictates that we should study the rationality and the evidences for the religion the voice is asking us to follow. The same way your IQ makes you think it could be Evil whispering to me, I expect your high IQ should make you think Mohamed could have seen an Evil angel. I am not trying to say people don’t hear evil. Anyway when God speaks to anyone, its same way He did with Adam and Eve, Noah , Abraham , Sarah, Jacob, David, Elijah, Moses, Jesus. Etc is the same way He spoke to me or did you see anywhere or these people say God show his face to speak to me 1 on 1. Abraham is considered to me the father or Faith, Did he see God face to face? He only heard God speak and Believe. He heard God says to him sacrifice his Son, How does he know that’s God not Satan? Why does he not think NOOOO that cant be God, that is Satan. Have you ever ask yourself that question? Anyway when God speak to you 100% you will know its God speaking to you not Satan. If Satan speak to you and you not of Evil surely God will speak to you after Satan did to make you know that wasn’t God, Satan does same thing some times after God speaking to someone but you will surely know which one is Good and Evil. If truly you know God and what God is capable of then you will know that what I said is true. But if you still want to argue then that means you limit God’s power.

    4. The problem most Muslims face is they have been brainwashed they cant question anything Mohamed says or Did it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t go with what God stands for to the extent that Hadith contradict Quran about Mohamed and Miracle and still everyone is say nothing. What Islam stand for is destruction and what Christianity stand for is Ethanal life. If the whole world should be Muslim that means we will be under Sharia law, that means no second chance for people. I have seen a non Muslim commit a lot of sin that could have resorted to amputation or even worse death before they convert to Islam. How does that make sense that the only reason this person was able to convert to Islam is because they were under the mercy of other religions .Can people not make mistake and repent? How can someone repent after they are dead? Most people that you see today that they converted to Islam have done a lot of things that Islam forbid how come these people that you called Kufar have right to convert and some don’t and the only reason why some these people that convert to Islam today is because of the tolerance of other religions left to Muslims most of these people would have been dead long time ago because of their behaviour. Imagine we are all under Islamic rules. What is the point of Judgement day if you already Judge them here on earth ? or have you not seen someone that was really bad when they were young did all the bad things and later converted to Islam when they are old? How does cutting off a man that stole Billions of Dollars Justify the crime? Lol do you know he can buy a new hand with that kind of money lol. Only God can judge and before you start telling me if We are all under Islamic rule people will not be doing bad things lol .. Take a look at Muslim countries that they practice Sharia law they have GAY, THIEF, PROSTITUE ETC. So please I don’t want to hear Western Country corrupt the world lol they certainly didn’t corrupt me .

    5. I say to you rethink brother or is it sister, If you believe in the power of prayer, then pray a simple pray for God’s direction on this whole thing and I know God love those who is after TRUTH, He doesn’t forsake anyone and I pray that he will open your heart and others reading to understand .

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      “If for some reason there is a new bible completely to the one we have today and teaches something different for example Jesus is not the way, I will not follow it because nothing can change the fact that Jesus is the way to Father.”

      So if the jewish holy ghost entered u and told u that jeesus is a fake mediator and the father does not require jeebis to be merciful and loving and show u strong evidence that ur idol jesus is just your sick fantasy or spiritual adultery, u will reject textual evidence including yhwhs holy spirit?

      U clearly are a liar.

      I ask u the following question

      1. Where does the torah understand grace, salvation and righteousness in the christian sense?

      2. Why the jews who read the verses pertaining to righteousness and salvation, cannot see what an apostate liar for jewus who cannot read hebrew see?

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      Say mary appears to u like she does catholics and uses textual evidences from the bible that she was literally the mother of ur god and deserved to be 4th person in trinity

      Say that ur family converts and even dies for believing that mary should be worshipped as 4th person of trinity, why should u reject this?

      U want jeebus as ur mediator

      catholics wants MARY AS their mediator
      ……

      Now lets test ur holy ghowsht

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    3. mr.heathcliff

      You are a retard kafir.

      The christian bible has been gang raped by scribes who did not like what the text said.

      There are christians inspired by the “holy ghost” will give up arm.and leg to tell u that the scribal corruption REALLY does reach jeebus’ apostles and here u are CHOOSING what u think “holy ghost” will “protect ” u from lol?

      How can he protect a moron like u when same “hokly ghost” is telling crosstians that other crosstians have got it wrong ???

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    4. mr.heathcliff

      “will know its God speaking to you not Satan. If Satan speak to you and you not of Evil surely God will speak to you after Satan did to make you know that wasn’t God, Satan does same thing some times after God speaking to someone but you will surely know which one is Good and Evil”

      U stoopid idiot moron piglot,
      U r own texts ssys thst satanic delusion is SO POWERFUL that it will make u think it is from god…

      “U will surely know…”

      Like catholics know.it is good to worship saints , idols and mary,, THEY SEE NOTHING EVIL IN TBIS AND will even argue a biblical basis for it

      Look buddhists, they are “peaceful””and preach “non-violence” yet they are DOOMED for hell fire if they die upon their belief

      “You will surely know” is not biblocal argument,, jeevis says “if u did miracles and works…u will be told get away…i never kneew u” lol

      Ur texts are being used against u

      Ur bable is not clear

      Ur filthy religion DOES NOT AGREE ON WHAT MODEL OF trinity is inspired by yhwj

      Or which torah laws to follow

      seven day pentacostalist think bum like u is a filth for disobeying yhwhs food laws….

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    5. “I never said I didn’t find bible reliable. Muslims are the one that don’t find it reliable. I was only telling you my experience.”

      If you’re responding to my hypothetical example about Mr X then thank you for missing the point and scroll below here to refer to my answer to your question so you can get the context

      “I never said I didn’t find bible reliable. Muslims are the one that don’t find it reliable. I was only telling you my experience.”

      So anyway prior to satan tickling your ear, you were actually a Muslim who thought the bible was reliable ⸮

      roger that

      “I didn’t follow bible because I heard a voice.. you assumed..**** I said after my encounter with holy spirit I believe Jesus is the way to father and bible is the book that teaches us about Jesus****. If there is something in the bible that is manipulated God has the power to tell me not to follow the manipulated part if I want to follow it. If for some reason there is a new bible completely to the one we have today and teaches something different for example Jesus is not the way, I will not follow it because nothing can change the fact that Jesus is the way to Father.”

      You’re literally proving my point…”i didn’t do X, but I did X”

      “2. Like I said you are the one that assumed that to me it doesn’t matter if Bible is unreliable or unsound or not is irrelevant….”

      one of your past comments: “…If there is a corruption or whatever in the bible it doesn’t change the fact to me that Jesus is the Way to Father ”

      smh

      “Let me ask you this then to make it easy for you. If God appear to you now and say Christianity is the way, Which book will you follow Bible or Quran? Pls don’t tell me God cant or will not appear to me… Just answer as you can see I put IF in front of the question..”

      Did you even read my hypothetical example and the subsequent points pertaining to you I made afterwards? My approach should be obvious.

      If you insist that I should believe in all cases that this is really God speaking to me then asking that question to me is akin to asking me about the omnipotence paradox, it’s a logical fallacy.

      “The problem most Muslims face is they have been brainwashed they cant question anything Mohamed says or Did it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t go with what God stands for to the extent that Hadith contradict Quran about Mohamed and Miracle and still everyone is say nothing. ”

      You’re still on with this? I remember Faiz quoting 54:2 or something and what was your response?

      I hope it wasn’t a long rant

      “3. You said It could be some evil whisperings to me and (for someone with *at least* a decent IQ) dictates that we should study the rationality and the evidences for the religion the voice is asking us to follow. The same way your IQ makes you think it could be Evil whispering to me, I expect your high IQ should make you think Mohamed could have seen an Evil angel. I am not trying to say people don’t hear evil. Anyway when God speaks to anyone, its same way He did with Adam and Eve, Noah , Abraham , Sarah, Jacob, David, Elijah, Moses, Jesus. Etc is the same way He spoke to me or did you see anywhere or these people say God show his face to speak to me 1 on 1. Abraham is considered to me the father or Faith, Did he see God face to face? He only heard God speak and Believe. He heard God says to him sacrifice his Son, How does he know that’s God not Satan? Why does he not think NOOOO that cant be God, that is Satan. Have you ever ask yourself that question? Anyway when God speak to you 100% you will know its God speaking to you not Satan. If Satan speak to you and you not of Evil surely God will speak to you after Satan did to make you know that wasn’t God, Satan does same thing some times after God speaking to someone but you will surely know which one is Good and Evil. If truly you know God and what God is capable of then you will know that what I said is true. But if you still want to argue then that means you limit God’s power.

      4. The problem most Muslims face is they have been brainwashed they cant question anything Mohamed says or Did it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t go with what God stands for to the extent that Hadith contradict Quran about Mohamed and Miracle and still everyone is say nothing. What Islam stand for is destruction and what Christianity stand for is Ethanal life. If the whole world should be Muslim that means we will be under Sharia law, that means no second chance for people. I have seen a non Muslim commit a lot of sin that could have resorted to amputation or even worse death before they convert to Islam. How does that make sense that the only reason this person was able to convert to Islam is because they were under the mercy of other religions .Can people not make mistake and repent? How can someone repent after they are dead? Most people that you see today that they converted to Islam have done a lot of things that Islam forbid how come these people that you called Kufar have right to convert and some don’t and the only reason why some these people that convert to Islam today is because of the tolerance of other religions left to Muslims most of these people would have been dead long time ago because of their behaviour. Imagine we are all under Islamic rules. What is the point of Judgement day if you already Judge them here on earth ? or have you not seen someone that was really bad when they were young did all the bad things and later converted to Islam when they are old? How does cutting off a man that stole Billions of Dollars Justify the crime? Lol do you know he can buy a new hand with that kind of money lol. Only God can judge and before you start telling me if We are all under Islamic rule people will not be doing bad things lol .. Take a look at Muslim countries that they practice Sharia law they have GAY, THIEF, PROSTITUE ETC. So please I don’t want to hear Western Country corrupt the world lol they certainly didn’t corrupt me .

      5. I say to you rethink brother or is it sister, If you believe in the power of prayer, then pray a simple pray for God’s direction on this whole thing and I know God love those who is after TRUTH, He doesn’t forsake anyone and I pray that he will open your heart and others reading to understand .”

      k

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      1. Larry

        So anyway prior to satan tickling your ear, you were actually a Muslim who thought the bible was reliable ⸮
        roger that

        How can a Muslims think bible is reliable? when did I say that?. I used to debate my Christians friends how can I think bible is reliable when I was a Muslim.

        Like I said you are the one that assumed that to me it doesn’t matter if Bible is unreliable or unsound or not is irrelevant….”

        one of your past comments: “…If there is a corruption or whatever in the bible it doesn’t change the fact to me that Jesus is the Way to Father ”

        smh

        Can’t you see the difference in the 2? Bible is Bible and Jesus is Jesus. what Jesus stands for can’t change if some people decided to change every word in the bible tomorrow Jesus will still remain God and have power to heal and raise the dead. Hope you get ,it now lol

        You’re still on with this? I remember Faiz quoting 54:2 or something and what was your response?
        Quran 54:1 – The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two]
        Quran 54:2 – And if they see a miracle, they turn away and say, “Passing magic.
        Quran 54:3 And they denied and followed their inclinations. But for every matter is a [time of] settlement

        That is what is in Quran how does this show that Mohamed perform miracle? at what point in the sentence did you see Mohamed preforming miracle?

        As you can see And IF they see a miracle NOT they see miracle.. IF is what start the sentence that means it didn’t happen or let me say has not yet happened .Quran was talking about what people will say IF miracle happen not when miracle happened.

        My question to you.. Do you believe God can speak to anyone about things we don’t know or understand?

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      2. stewjo004

        God there was so much retardation in this post I don’t even know where to start:

        “…Bible is Bible and Jesus is Jesus. what Jesus stands for can’t change if some people decided to change every word in the bible tomorrow Jesus will still remain God…”

        I can’t…I mean surely he’s not dumb enough to… if the Bible is not solid you don’t even know what Jesus(as) said or taught. 🤦 He NEVER thought that he was a god. You know what thank you Larry for making the Ummah stronger because all you would have done was raise little retarded kuffar children that would have kept multiplying. So again thank you.

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      3. mr.heathcliff

        “if some people decided to change every word in the bible tomorrow Jesus will still remain God…”

        Your pagan jeesus had a god , let me ask, if god has dominion over all things, HOW DOES your god have a god over him while on earth

        Let me explain further

        Lets say hypothetically father dwelled on earth, this would mean while on earth he WOULD NEVER have a god OVER him
        ….while your pagan jeeesus HAD god OVER him

        U see the problem, polytheist?

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      4. “How can a Muslims think bible is reliable? when did I say that?. I used to debate my Christians friends how can I think bible is reliable when I was a Muslim.”

        Man you’re daft smh…re-read the flow on the convo.

        “Can’t you see the difference in the 2? Bible is Bible and Jesus is Jesus. what Jesus stands for can’t change if some people decided to change every word in the bible tomorrow Jesus will still remain God and have power to heal and raise the dead. Hope you get ,it now lol”

        re-read my main response which addresses the logical flaws in this idiotic reasoning instead of repeating yourself.

        “My question to you.. Do you believe God can speak to anyone about things we don’t know or understand?”

        re-read.

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      5. “Can’t you see the difference in the 2? Bible is Bible and Jesus is Jesus. what Jesus stands for can’t change if some people decided to change every word in the bible tomorrow Jesus will still remain God and have power to heal and raise the dead. Hope you get ,it now lol”

        So you agree I didn’t assume, thank you.

        Now re-read before responding

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  6. Larry

    @quranandbibleblog

    We can arrange Zoom for this Friday 30th July 4PM UK time if its ok with you and also if @ stewjo004 @ Asura @ mr.heathcliff and whoever else you know want to join . I don’t see any reason talking to you alone on zoom I am not doing this for fun or to show how good I am, let us all share together and also it will mean you cant lie about things. for example You believe Some word in the bible are word of God , @ stewjo004 and @ mr.heathcliff disagree so let us all see where everyone stand .

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    1. Also not good. That would be 11am est, when I am working. How about 12:30 est on Saturday. That would be 5:30 your time.

      It doesn’t matter to me if there are others there as well or not. Either way.

      You are clearly a liar. Stew and heath never said they don’t believe everything in the Bible is false. And even if they did, I fail to see what relevance that has with anything. Like the deceitful weasel you are, you are trying to deflect to idiotic issue which have no bearing on the topics we are discussing.

      Lol, remember when Stew cited Daniel 2 and Deut 18 as prophecies about Muhammad (pbuh), dummy? Clearly Stew believes those passages have some semblance of truth. Don’t be an idiot. 😂😂

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      1. stewjo004

        @QB

        Thank God you can understand a nuanced and balanced opinion based on revelation plus modern scholarship because all this just flies over Looney Larry’s head 💫
        🥴

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      2. Larry

        I am going to a friend’s wedding on Sat, can we do Sunday 5.30UK time also @ stewjo004 @ Asura @ mr.heathcliff are you all down for it?.
        well I asked him the same question and he said he doesn’t believe, you can check his response to my question there is no need for me to lie. Stew will not be the first and last to say some of bible word is God’s word in a min and another min says everything in bible is fake. I am waiting for you too to change your position on it ,which I am 100% sure you will do the same as time goes on. Let me know if Sunday is good with you and also what and why do you want to do Zoom?

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      3. Moron, stop doubling down on your lie. If he said that Daniel 2 and Deut 18 are prophecies about Muhammad (pbuh), then it is ridiculous to say that he believes the whole book is basically garbage. Don’t get me wrong. Much of it IS garbage. But like I said, we use the Quran and Sunnah to determine what to accept or reject.

        Sunday should be good. I’ll send you the link when it’s available. The others are welcome to join if they want. There will probably be other Muslims there as well. Zoom works best as I can use it on my computer. Clubhouse is limited to phones only. I’m also on clubhouse but prefer Zoom.

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      4. Larry

        So you didn’t see the part that I copied his answer? read below did I lie

        8. “…if what we translated to NT is not Injil where did we get those scriptures that you Muslims agree as word of God in NT?”
        This is @Stew response NONE of that crap is God’s words and you got the vast majority of it from your butts. I hope that explains it for you.

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      5. Larry

        Since you guys want to play smart then, are you saying everything in NT there is nothing that is word of God? I can’t wait to hear your answer LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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      6. Larry

        You will not get away from this answer my question . you want to play smart this how Muslim manipulate and lie. what is your take on NT testament ? since you said @ Stew was referring to NT , for me to believe he was referring to NT then what you are saying is you and Stew believe everything in NT is fake there is no single word of God in it. is that your claim?

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      7. 🤣😂 You don’t get to tell me how I should answer, demon-possessed Crosstian. Know your place.

        I just told you. We believe Jesus was a prophet. Is he called that in the NT. Yes! We believe Mary was a virgin. Is that in the NT. Yes! We believe John the Baptist was a prophet. Is that in the NT? Yes! Now, use your two brain cells and figure this out.

        As far as the specific TEXT is considered, it is all from anonymous authors. So, the text is not literally God’s word. We would compare it to hadiths, which are the words of the narrators.

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      8. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        Hmmmm…outsiders watching our back and forth:

        A. Unammiously agree it didn’t go well for you
        B. Are able to follow my position clearly. Yes, there is AMPLE proof of my position because I’ve linked it to you ohhh give or take 3 or 4 times now in the article I’ve personally authored explaining it and even drew a picture:

        Corruption of the Scriptures: Part I – Does Islam Confirm the Bible As a Scripture from God?

        Instead of going “hmmmmmm…maybe I’m missing something here” you continue to:

        A. Sound retarded
        B. Stay with my name in your mouth despite the fact that I have after Asura been the nicest to you since you’ve been here.

        You lost a debate, big deal. Move on, change your opinion and stop stalking me it’s getting creepy.

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  7. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, seriously. I have collected clear cut proofs that USA is the fault of terrorism and NOT Islam.

    And I’m planning to sue USA for deliberate lying and deception, and for creating Al Qaida, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, Taliban, Hezbollah etc. Because, I’m sick to see kuffar blaming and attacking my faith namely Islam.

    My questions are:

    1. Can I say “Wallahi that USA created terrorism and NOT Islam”?

    2. How can I sue a country?

    3. Do I get rewarded if I defend Islam from kuffar?

    4. Can I study at Harvard College Debating Union so I can be a top Islamic debater and scholar? Because, I want to challenge those in US Government for a debate for creating terrorism and I want them to apologize to whole world for creating terrorism.

    5. Can I break my oath or I’m obliged to fulfill it? Because, I don’t like to see disbelievers to attack my faith!

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      Brother in islam, i have a question for all of you.

      So on efdawah a crosstian was asked where did jesus call to god using the name “yhwh”

      The crosstian replied, out of respect he didnt.

      My question

      Eliyahu

      Eliya

      If it was so much about “respect” why the “effeble” name was shortened to yaa unless they did not think “yaa” represented the name with the 4 letters?

      Why wouldnt shortening the name have been seen as offense or disrepect?

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  8. mr.heathcliff

    What destroys christianity is people like ravi zecharius
    Blood magic , eating human body and worshipping three triplets doesnt fix any sin problem. It leaves one dependant on blood magic and after one does sin “its already been atoned”

    1. Larry deeds r menstrual rags and shit

    2. Larry is born in sin

    So when larry sins and he is GUARANTEED to, what gives the little pig s the authority to tell people “you muslims are full of x, y and z”

    Scum bag filth, ur religion does not cure sin problem like it promised in book of hebrews and like how jeebus told crosstians if u have faith u can move mountains

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      While ravi zecharius was performing sex acts with his patients, he was having his sins tranferred to jesus’ eyes and having them plucked out .

      I tell u the truth , christian violent blood magic has no cure for hate, anger and lust

      While ravi was molesting women, he was showing his lust and hate….these women were enduring this physical sexual abuse

      I am sure larry would have sat at the balls of ravi zecharius pre exposure of his sins at parlours.

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  9. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    Crap my tab is acting on me again. The video is by this channel called theramintrees. Basically an atheist channel. The video is called ebunking prophets. I would be appreciated if you watch and take apart the video even highlighting some parts if you like to do so. Sorry about not being able to link it tho.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Ibn Mummthaz

      1. Just summarize the argument. You don’t want to link stuff because that gives them more exposure and helps them in the algorithm

      2. You really shouldn’t watch this stuff. It serves no purpose you either;

      A. Have doubts planted

      or

      B. Gain no new iman boost if debunked it just sets you back to where you were before seeing the video/ article or whatever.

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    2. Larry

      @ Caliph ibn mumthaz
      Don’t listen to Stew continue watching different videos that talks about God and prophets one day God will have mercy on you and show you what you don’t know. What Stew is doing is what we call brainwashing, like Kim Jong Un on North Korea lol he doesn’t allow his country people to watch things from other countries so that they don’t know how bad He is treating them, same thing with Quran. Why is it bad to watch or participate ? are we not doing the same thing here on this forum? There is nothing in this world I can watch that can change my faith. Are you watching porn? Because I cant see why anyone will say don’t watch a video that talks about God even if what they are saying in the video is wrong its better to watch and understand how they think and their view in other for you to know how to preach to them.. ask Stew if he doesn’t watch lol or other Muslim preachers and scholars. Before anyone come for me I know you are a Muslim and rooting for Islam

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      1. Larry

        Lol calling me names does that makes you feel you are better than me? Lol everyone of you here that calls me name I don’t get it, does God want us to do that? this is why some people kill people for not accepting Islam because they think only Muslims are the good ones others are whatever you guys call me lol. Will your God be pleased with you doing this? if you notice I always put Lol because I understand you guys don’t know what you are doing . remember what Jesus said in Luke 23:34 Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do. Peace my brother

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      2. Lol, hey dummy, liars like you need an education.

        Like 23:34 is a forgery! 🤣🤣 Also, why would your mangod ask the “Father” to forgive the Romans if, according to the gospels, your mangod was given authority to forgive sins on earth? 🤔

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      3. @Larry said:

        “Lol calling me names does that makes you feel you are better than me? Lol everyone of you here that calls me name I don’t get it, does God want us to do that? this is why some people kill people for not accepting Islam because they think only Muslims are the good ones others are whatever you guys call me lol. Will your God be pleased with you doing this? if you notice I always put Lol because I understand you guys don’t know what you are doing . remember what Jesus said in Luke 23:34 Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do. Peace my brother”

        My response:

        You are the one making me doing this. Because, you people love to mislead us with false info and whatever you can and that made me angry. Nope, some kill because of CIA so blame CIA and US Government not Islam. Because, Islam does not teach convert or die, because it says “there’s no compulsion” and based on that I do not force people to convert to Islam.

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      4. Larry

        how do you know I don’t know what “kaffir” or “murtad” is ? and you didn’t say anything about the zoom

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      5. stewjo004

        “There is nothing in this world I can watch that can change my faith…” (only the voices in my head)

        There fixed that for ya… carry on.

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      6. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        “…Lol everyone of you here that calls me name I don’t get it…”

        The most common names you’ve been called on here are “Looney/Loonie Larry, Kaffir or Murtad” So which one is eluding you right now?

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  10. Larry

    @ stewjo004
    Thank God you can understand a nuanced and balanced opinion based on revelation plus modern scholarship because all this just flies over Looney Larry’s head

    Are you denying that you didn’t say every word of bible is not God’s word? Lol there is proof that shows you said it , I hope you know that lol very funny guy. I am sure you will soon change you position again . are you down for the Zoom call too?

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  11. Larry

    @Stew

    “There is nothing in this world I can watch that can change my faith…” (only the voices in my head)

    There fixed that for ya… carry on.

    Yes only Voice of God..

    Are you denying you didn’t say everything in bible is not word of God ? do you want to read all your response in case you cant remember

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Looney Larry

      “…only Voice of God…”

      We’ll agree to disagree on that.

      “Are you denying you didn’t say everything in bible is not word of God ? do you want to read all your response in case you cant remember”

      One more time because I know you’re a bit:

      https://i.giphy.com/media/3NtY188QaxDdC/giphy.webp

      Follow the pics below to understand my position (I even put in pretty colors for you!)

      https://quranandbibleblog.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/john-stewart-torah-sources.jpg?w=1024&h=652

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  12. Larry

    @ stewjo004
    This was your response on JULY 20, 2021 AT 6:49 PM so can you see for yourself or still denying you didn’t say it?

    8. “…if what we translated to NT is not Injil where did we get those scriptures that you Muslims agree as word of God in NT?”

    NONE of that crap is God’s words and you got the vast majority of it from your butts. I hope that explains it for you.

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      1. Larry

        lol I cant read with you saying NONE with capital letters. Ok I am the one that got it wrong because I cant read. my guy lol.. Are you down for ZOOM?

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      2. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        Alhamdulillah we both agree you can’t read. So question was being dropped on your head the cause or was it all the lead paint chips?

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  13. Larry

    @ stewjo004

    Is this from one of Ibn Hazm book? I am not trying to be smart I just watched a video of a woman that was stabbed in London at speaker corners and the guy that was doing the video mentioned why people attack Mohamed critics. I just want to be sure if He is the same person you mentioned

    Another [to be killed] was Abdullah Khatal of B. Taym b. Ghalib. He had become a Muslim and the apostle sent him to collect the poor tax
    in company with one of the Ansar. He had with him a freed slave who served him. (He was Muslim). When they halted he ordered
    the latter to kill a goat for him and prepare some food, and went to sleep. When he woke up the man had done nothing,
    so he attacked and killed him and apostatized. He had two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle,
    so he ordered that they should be killed with him

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Looney Larry

      Noooooooooo…..that’s….Ibn… Ishaq who’s not even in the same century as Ibn Hazm…

      Claims to have been a Muslim doesn’t know who ibn Hazm is…

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      1. Larry

        Lol I guess a lot of people that called themselves Muslim are not if they dont know Ibn Hazm since that is the 5 pillars of Islam .
        This Ibn… Ishaq is what he said true or not in that book?

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      2. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        Don’t know too many Muslims who’ve never heard of him he’s one of the heavy-hitter legends of Islamic (especially Andalusian) scholarship but whatever…

        And Allah hu alim gotta see the chain to the narration. Ibn Ishaq is a big mix, when seerah scholars use it, it’s mainly for attempting to coordinate dates from my limited knowledge.

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      3. 😂😂 This guy keeps proving he was either a very clueless “Muslim” or is just lying and was never a Muslim, not even an ignorant one. Wouldn’t surprise me if it was the latter. After all, he has the liar Paul as his example.

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  14. Larry

    You guys always doubt if I was ever a Muslim have you read this book Seeking Allah Finding Jesus by Nabeel Qureshi? and do you guys think Nabeel Qureshi wasn’t a Muslim too?

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    1. 😂😂 No, he wasn’t a Muslim! He was liar too! He was an “Ahmadi”, who are considered unbelievers.

      Plus, that liar claimed he would have gone for “jihad” had he remained a “Muslim”. But Ahmadis do not believe in jihad. They believe their false prophet abrogated it. So why would Qureshi have done that if he was an Ahmadi? 🤔 Liars are so easy to expose. 😂

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      1. Larry

        wow He was never a Muslim. so all his family are pretending too they are lying .. wow wow .. why cant someone be a Muslim and converted without you saying they were never a Muslim?

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      2. 😂😂 Liars get bursted and continue to double down on their lie!

        Moron, what part didn’t you get? He was an Ahmadi. They claim they are Muslims, but that’s like a Jehovah’s Witness claiming he is a Christian. Do you regard JWs to be Christians, you uneducated donkey?

        Now, explain why Nabeel the lair (may he rot in hell) claimed he would on jihad, when in his Ahmadi cult, jihad doesn’t even exist as a legitimate concept? Don’t keep deflecting. Answer the question.

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      3. Larry

        You people are really not trustworthy, why are you people like this? Cant you be an honest person? you said Stew was referring to NT when He said NONE of the word is God’s word but now you claim you believe some word in NT is word of God how does this make sense? this is manipulation of the highest. LOL well there is no need to try make you people admit you were wrong.
        Well to answer why He said he would have joined , You need to know I am not Nabeel and I was not in his head when He said that and I didn’t even know he said it. but let say this
        Jihad meaning – a struggle or fight against the enemies of Islam. Anyone that reads Quran and believe in Mohamed can wake up one day and decided to join Jihad. Are you a Jihadist ?since you are real Muslim. Do you fight Jihad? . I see no reason to think a man is lying because he said He would have joined Jihad. have you not see Christians joining Jihad ? if you ask them before they become Muslim if they would join Jihad I am sure they will say no but today they are. I really don’t know why you call people liar if you don’t what is going on in their head

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      4. 🤣🤣 Donkey, you got fried. Just admit it. Was Nabeel a liar for claiming he was Ahmadi and yet also willing to join a jihad? Answer the question, you donkey. You’re a liar just like the donkey Nabeel.

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    2. stewjo004

      @ Looney Larry

      Claims to be a Muslim doesn’t know Ahmadi are unanimously considered not Muslim and believe in another prophet (who’s also Jesus (as) and the Mahdi for some reason)

      Yo Larry because you are completely clueless about kindergartner level Islam, its cultural norms among laymen and allegedly grew up in a Muslim family where you are from?

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      1. Larry

        lol I just google it.. its called Ahmadiyya in Nigeria… I am from Nigeria and we consider them as Muslims so I don’t know what you mean by they are not Muslim

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      2. 🤣🤣 Moron says he Googled it, which implies he didn’t know what it was, and then says “we consider them as Muslims” in Nigeria. Wait…did you know who they were or not?

        If you were stupid enough to not associate “Ahmadi” with “Ahmadiyya”, you are a clueless moron. “Ahmadiyya” is the umbrella term for their religion. An “Ahmadi” is a singular term, meaning a follower of the Ahmadiyya religion. You can also say “Ahmadis” to refer to them collectively.

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      3. Larry

        Lool is this what you will be doing too on Zoom? calling me names.. Do you want me to lie or act as if I knew what you were talking about? Lol I am not like you people that lie or act as if you know it all. I know Ahmadiyya and we don’t call them CULT in Nigeria so when you said He’s religion is cult I have to google and see what you are saying .. I didnt even know about the guy until today so I have to google to check .. anyway I am still waiting for your answer on why and what is the reason for the ZOOM?

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      4. 🤣🤣 Then you’re an idiot who didn’t know that “Ahmadi” is the same as “Ahmadiyya”. You’re a joke, loonie Larry, and the people that will be on the Zoom meeting will see that. I already told you why I prefer Zoom. Clubhouse is a phone app. I like to be on my laptop when engaging in talks.

        Lol, you didn’t know about Nabeel Qureshi? Then why’d you bring him up without knowing anything? 🤣😂🤣 We have another Google scholar here, folks!

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      5. Larry

        I am not asking why you choose Zoom over clubhouse, what do you want to talk about that it has to be on Zoom? why do you need to see or hear me? not that I mind but I want to know if it is necessary.
        I saw a video of Nabeel Qureshi how he became Christian and it is a bit similar to mine, he said his family was actually preaching to people to convert to Islam which it can be easily confirm that is why I mentioned him since you believe I am lying about I was a Muslim, I didn’t even know at the time that he is dead I found out later. Anyway maybe if one of this your so call Scholars or Teacher convert like Paul you will understand

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      6. I don’t need to see you, dummy. But having a talk on Zoom is better than typing endlessly on a keyboard.

        The fact that you morons have nothing concrete to convince people to join your pagan cult, other than subjective fairy tales of so-called “visions”, is proof that your religion is a joke. It only appeals to people’s emotions, not their reason.

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      7. mr.heathcliff

        Nabeel qurayshe was friends with christs apostle ravi zecharia

        My question to u is, how do u trust anything in the new testament about jesus when sinners like ravi zecharius delivered it to u?

        I mean, ot says man is a sinner, how do u know jesus was not like ravi? On stage one thing, behind stage another?

        For example

        Your jesus tells the rich man that he should give his money away to the poor

        But then when mary used her hair to oil him, he said keeping his body from stink of death is “beautiful thing”

        And that “you always have the poor”

        Could mary have gotten in jesus’ mind like satan did for 4o days?

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      8. stewjo004

        ” maybe if one of this your so call Scholars or Teacher convert like Paul you will understand”

        Do you mean people believing in the original teachings hating him and saying he’s a liar?

        “Those who are called Ebionites agree that the world was made by God; but their opinions with respect to the Lord are similar to those of Cerinthus and Carpocrates. They use the Gospel according to Matthew only, and repudiate the Apostle Paul, maintaining that he was an apostate from the law.”
        https://religion.wikia.org/wiki/Ebionites_according_to_the_Church_Fathers

        PS
        The Jerusalem Church held the Torah was corrupt like Muslims as well:

        “Nor do they accept Moses’ Pentateuch in its entirety; they reject
        certain sayings.”

        Click to access Epiphanius%20of%20Salamis%20-%20The%20Panarion,%20Book%20I%20(Sects%201-46).pdf

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    3. mr.heathcliff

      We have reason to doubt. Your filthy raped by demon apostle paul used to eat bacon and then when jews came along he did jewish rituals fooling the jews in thinking he still kept torah.

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      1. Larry

        I mean, ot says man is a sinner, how do u know jesus was not like ravi? On stage one thing, behind stage another?

        For example

        Your jesus tells the rich man that he should give his money away to the poor

        But then when mary used her hair to oil him, he said keeping his body from stink of death is “beautiful thing”

        And that “you always have the poor”

        Could mary have gotten in jesus’ mind like satan did for 4o days?

        Loooool are you saying Jesus is fake ? I don’t understand you… this got to show you don’t know anything I pray God will guide you.

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  15. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Yeah sorry I kinda relapsed into it. I will stop trying to actively watch these videos that plant doubts.
    @larry
    “its called Ahmadiyya in Nigeria… I am from Nigeria and we consider them as Muslims so I don’t know what you mean by they are not Muslim”
    …….. Wut

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Ibn Mumthaz

      Make up the salah and be grateful for the opportunity because Allah could have blinded us like Larry and allow us to be led towards the Fire while thinking we were on any sort of guidance…

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  16. Larry

    @ stewjo004

    God there was so much retardation in this post I don’t even know where to start:
    “…Bible is Bible and Jesus is Jesus. what Jesus stands for can’t change if some people decided to change every word in the bible tomorrow Jesus will still remain God…”
    I can’t…I mean surely he’s not dumb enough to… if the Bible is not solid you don’t even know what Jesus(as) said or taught. He NEVER thought that he was a god. You know what thank you Larry for making the Ummah stronger because all you would have done was raise little retarded kuffar children that would have kept multiplying. So again thank you.

    Why do you Muslims always say Jesus never said I am God? I am sure you have seen and heard Christians point out so many bible verses that clearly shows why Jesus is God. You don’t need to be asking the same question over and over again it doesn’t make sense. If we never show you anywhere in the people that says Jesus is God then I can understand. Jesus never deny he is not

    John 20:28-29
    28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
    29 Jesus said to him, [a]“Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

    Did he say no I am not God to Thomas ? He even told him he was right to believe him. The same way he didn’t deny it its the same way he didn’t say it. Why should we ignore the fact when we can read it where clearly says Jesus is God?

    I have a question for you since you believe everything needs to come out Jesus mouth before we can accept it. Why do you use HE/HIM for God not SHE/HER? How do you know God is He not She? Did God say call me He because I am a man? Did He say I have gender? lol lets hear your answer my friend and before you tell me about in Arabic language we don’t mean Masculine read Quran, 112:3. I am waiting for your reply

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      @ Larry

      1. “Why do you Muslims always say Jesus never said I am God?”
      Easy because he didn’t and it was a later theological development in Pauline Christianity…

      2. “You don’t need to be asking the same question over and over again it doesn’t make sense…”
      I never asked the question where does Jesus(as) say I’m God in the bible (please see my comment on you being a retarded kaffir) None of this is even relevant and you danced around the problem if the bible is not a reliable source then you don’t even know what Jesus(As) said or taught.

      3. “… Jesus never deny he is not”

      He(as) does:

      Then a certain ruler asked Him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you CALL ME good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good EXCEPT God alone. (Luke 18:18-19)

      3. “Why should we ignore the fact when we can read it where clearly says Jesus is God?”
      Well, that’s easy:

      A. The Bible doesn’t even teach it. The only place you can even kinda get evidence is the late written book of John and the author(s) did not believe Jesus(as) was God they thought he was a pre-existent divine being subservient to God.

      B. When you have an argument of interpretation you use clear verses to interpret ambiguously verses. Which you should know…being an alleged former Muslim as this is literally chapter 3 of the book.

      4. “Why do you use HE/HIM for God not SHE/HER?”
      Arabic grammar. Everything is either masculine or feminine in the language. He described Himself with “Huwa” (He) which is the default unless there is a reason to make a pronoun feminine, so that’s why. For example ayat al kursi

      Allahu laaa ilaaha illaa HUWAL haiyul qai-yoom… (2:255)

      Allah is neither male nor female and His names are both masculine and feminine such as the 2 next most popular “Ar Rahman” and Ar Raheem” which both share a root with “rahm” (a woman’s womb)

      And again would like o to thank you for your contribution in strengthening the Ummah it really does mean a lot to me…

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      1. 🤣🤣 You are planning on running away, aren’t you? There is no specific topic, stupid. I already said this. We can talk about anything. Your so-called “conversion”, the Bible, the Quran. We can talk about it all. This Sunday at 12:30 est/5:30 UK.

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      2. stewjo004

        “Topic so that I can prepare a bit…”

        *cough* Compilation of the gospels and their reliability for Jesus(as) teachings *cough*

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      3. 😂😂 Oh, come now, Loonie Larry. Why are you lying? You ran away, and you know it. If you were “waiting for hours”, then why didn’t you respond to my last comment and ask for the Zoom link? Where were you waiting? You’re a coward, and so is your unholy spirit. 🤣🤣 I knew you would try to play this game. Crosstians do this all the time.

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      4. Larry

        Lol are you serious man? did you not say you will send Zoom link? I was checking every 5min to see if you will come this page to post the link or even check if I was online.. anyway to be honest I was a bit busy on Sunday but I actually came online to see if you will post the link.. We can do another day. 5.30pm Uk time Saturday 7th ok for you?

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      5. 😂😂 Liar! What was your last comment, you demented donkey? You were still questioning what the purpose of the Zoom meeting was, so you could “prepare” for it! I responded and you got quiet. You never confirmed. You’re a joke. You had the chance to face Muslims in a direct discussion and you ran away like a frightened donkey.

        Oh and now, you were “busy”! Lol, then how were you planning on coming on the Zoom in the first place? 😂🤣

        I’ll give you one more chance. We will try for this Saturday. I will confirm with you on Friday. Got it, Christian? No more cowardly games.

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      nobody cares about your new testament, if father was in flesh of animal, human or soil of earth, he cannot contradict himself by saying that he has a god over him, btw , the holy spirit has spoken and said that you are wrong about the thomas

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    3. mr.heathcliff

      3. “… Jesus never deny he is not”

      quote:

      52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; 55 for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. 56 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them.

      so since jesus did not deny that they have a wrong understanding, this means jesus wanted them to EAT him!

      haha

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        so not only was jesus from john a disgusting pagan, he did not dispute the jewish understanding, he led them to think that eating him would be as the tree of life in garden giving eternal life.
        eating apple from tree eternal life
        eating jesus = ?

        hahahahahaah

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  17. 'Abd-arahman

    I also heard its because in the Arabic language the masculine pronoun is considered the original and the female pronoun is also derived from the masculine thus making it inferior which would be inappropriate for Allah may he be exalted. Plus the male pronoun is also more general so…. Yeah this whole “oh why not she/her” is bullcrap, Larry.

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  18. Cap

    Females cooking food is this a gender inequality?
    Why females are prioritized to remain in houses instead of going out and working(in Islam)?

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      1. stewjo004

        @ Cap

        No problem basically pregnancy/birth is:

        1. SUPER dangerous (was the number one killer of women until around the mid-1900s I believe)

        2. SUPER inconvenient thus devastating on careers (women’s bodies respond differently but generally speaking even ignoring the 9 months of gestation (which still is hard) after the baby they really need a bit of recovery time even if they don’t get something like a C section (which then were talking months) hen if their new mothers breastfeeding etc., yeah the average woman’s time is really sucked up.

        This one thing is one of the main reasons why the traditional family structure for almost every culture/society on the planet has been men go off and hunt or work to provide resources to the family unit (this is why Allah made us physically stronger) while women stayed home raising the next generation. Women only entered the workforce in large numbers was because of WW2 when all the men were off fighting and items still needed to be produced for the war (hence iconic images such as “Rosie the Riveter”). But these were exceptional circumstances because at the end of the day if a woman has a healthy relationship with kids etc and tries to further her career it’s VERY difficult to do so (especially with a basic 9 to 5) and odds are quite high she will drop out of the workforce after like 2 kids.

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      2. Cap

        I understood ,but sir in many countries females are given holiday until child becomes 3 years old and they are even paid half of the salary(I think in Russia).

        I asked this question because my English professor gave us an assignment to write review of the following short film:

        Can you tell something about this short film and the gender ineauality presented in this film.

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      3. Cap

        Sir I forgot to ask one thing is it true that 1 in 4 working(jobs) females are depressed and not self satisfied? And is it true that suicide rate of female physicians is 41% or 141% (I am not sure about the
        percentage) more than the normal females?

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      4. Cap

        Sir what is 9 to 5 that you mentioned in the following statement of yours:

        “because at the end of the day if a woman has a healthy relationship with kids etc and tries to further her career it’s VERY difficult to do so (especially with a basic 9 to 5) and odds are quite high she will drop out of the workforce after like 2 kids.”

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      5. stewjo004

        @ Cap

        Response:

        1. “…females are given holiday until child becomes 3 years old and they are even paid half of the salary…”

        You see how you have to create all these hoops to try and accommodate pregnancy? The simple response is the majority of companies DO NOT have this. No company wants to just hand people money especially for doing nothing. Why would I not just terminate for a BS reason and get another, even more, efficient than that why not just hire to the legal requirement to accommodate (which is what really happens) or even more efficiently than that take my labor overseas which is even cheaper and I don’t have to pay for her getting knocked up?

        2. “…Can you tell something about this short film and the gender ineauality presented in this film…”

        Off the top:

        A. Downplaying the importance and difficulty of housework
        B. Felt a somewhat bias towards men as it gives the impression he’s “lazy” while ignoring the work he just came home from before the film started and he’s now relaxing (I would also assume this party was planned beforehand)
        C. Kinda a good point on who’s gonna support you when you grow old…
        D. Again solid point why would the husband quit when she delivers? What is he supposed to do? they’re making this seem like a negative thing but are showing my whole point that pregnancy was the reason women never entered the workforce in droves. Again VERY difficult to have a career and family, in the real world you cannot have it all and are going to have to sacrifice something
        E. Soooo…are we not eating today?

        3. “…Sir I forgot to ask one thing is it true that 1 in 4 working(jobs) females are depressed and not self satisfied? And is it true that suicide rate of female physicians is 41% or 141% (I am not sure about the percentage) more than the normal females?”

        Sorry I have no idea

        4. “… 9 to 5…”

        A 9 to 5 is a standard workday for many jobs. It basically means an 8 hr shift of working.

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  19. M

    @stew
    Ik tht having lots of kids is recommended but how do we respond to ppk who are concerned about overpopulation and its result of depleting the earth’s natural resources?

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      @ M

      The response is this is not a real problem (had to debate this in college). The reality is we’re more or less going through another industrial revolution right now and these problems inshaAllah won’t really exist as Allah has made the Earth a place to sustain us until Qiyama.

      1. Land wise still plenty of space for the human population (especially since we’re all probably gonna transition to more affordable, cheap and efficient housing like tiny homes and printed homes),

      2. Carbon emissions, etc is about to be dead now that electric technology for vehicles is officially here and about to replace gas cars (Here’s the Ford Lightning that just came out no engine whatsoever and affordable (skip to 3:49)

      3. Desalination (the process of turning saltwater into freshwater) is already a thing and we’re probably gonna make huge strides on that in a couple of years inshaAllah

      4. GMOs can modify food to produce more, grow in places it normally can’t, and make it more nutritious.

      5. You really see large birthrates in more primitive/agricultural societies because people die off more and are working the land. But in modern times, people are getting married at older ages as societies become more advanced which is cutting off birth rates and balancing growth rates (Japan is a good example you can also see this forming in China and the US)

      So yeah we’re good inshaAllah.

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  20. We don’t need validation from the Kuffar, Muslims should ponder on that.

    I’m speaking from what I actively see on the internet especially on Twitter and Reddit.

    On one hand we have a particular portion pandering to liberals.

    On the other hand we have a portion pandering to the Alt Right.

    It’s below us to need their validation, especially those morally depraved alt right incels.

    Islam and our identity, our pride, our self respect as a community, as believers, as followers of RasoolAllah ﷺ is above all of this.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Mayur

      I agree Muslims need to stop pandering and work on playing both sides by bridging common values we share with them while establishing our own footing like what the Jews did.

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      1. Larry

        Lol you are funny. As a Christian honesty is our way of life yes I was busy, but I was waiting to see if you will send the link, I would have spend 30min at least online with you . I will be expecting the link on Friday.

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      2. Lol, you said you were waiting for hours, but also were so busy? 😂😂 Look, coward. It’s no use making excuses. All you had to do was send me a message at 12:30 asking for the link. You didn’t. You ran.

        30 minutes? That’s it? You are a joke, loonie Larry. Ok, well. It’s better than nothing. Don’t run away this time.

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      3. mr.heathcliff

        “As a crosstian honesty is our way of life”

        1. Ravi zecharius dirty adulterer said the same

        2. jesus said to the high priest “i always taught IMPORTANT stuff to the public” contradicts “secret of the kingdom of god gas been given to you, to those on the OUTSIDE everthing is CODED”

        3.jesus said he is not going to the festival but goes in secret deceiving his brothers

        4.yhwh said that he is a deceiver and tricks, fools and instigate powerful delusion by being DIRECTLY involved…..

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  21. Mishal Mumthaz

    @stew
    Hey dude. Ive been wondering on the islamic perspective on human sexuality. Are men supposed to be the stereotypical masculine type or we can have a feminine side or whatnot, females have masculine traits,etc? Is thee amy resources on that topic?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Mumthaz

      Generally speaking, men are supposed to be manly and women feminine. Proof of this is the hadith:

      Narrated Ibn `Abbas:

      The Prophet (ﷺ) cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, “Turn them out of your houses .” The Prophet (ﷺ) turned out such-and-such man, and `Umar turned out such-and-such woman.
      https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5886

      Also:
      https://islamqa.info/en/answers/81994/he-likes-to-imitate-women

      You have similar ahadith where there are commands to be kinda rough and tough:

      Abdullah ibn Buraydah said:

      A man from the companions of the Prophet (ﷺ) travelled to Fudalah ibn Ubayd when he was in Egypt. He came to him and said: I have not come to you to visit you. But you and I heard a tradition from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). I hope you may have some knowledge of it. He asked: What is it? He replied: So and so. He said: Why do I see you dishevelled when you are the ruler of this land? He said: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) has forbidden us to indulge much in luxury. He said: Why do I see you unshod? He replied: The Prophet (ﷺ) used to command us to go barefoot at times.
      https://sunnah.com/abudawud/35

      With that said you also need to define what the “masculine” and “feminine” action is. For example, fighting is generally seen as masculine but women may learn to protect themselves, etc. Or a man may be a good singer and does nasheeds so there are some “variables and what ifs” to the discussion. But again generally speaking being masculine is a good thing for men and being feminine is a good thing for women.

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  22. Larry

    Can @ stewjo004 and @ Quranandbibleblog answer these questions since both of you acting like you know much or anyone . Muslim said there is no controversy in their religion and I can see so many contradiction but this is just a little.

    Why do Muslim call the Spirit that spoke to Mary angel/Gabriel?

    Is Quran truly Ethanal and will it actually turn to a man on Judgement day?

    Quran said Jesus breathe into a clay bird does that mean Jesus can give life like Allah ?

    Why do Muslims have problem with Christians when they say Trinity Clearly There is God the Allah, God the Spirit, God the Quran and God Jesus in Quran
    or should I say 4 Ethanal .. Allah is Ethanal, Spirit is Ethanal, Quran is Ethanal and Jesus is Ethanal.

    Who is Jesus’s Father in Quran ? since Mohamed believe for someone to have a father you have to have sex but Quran said Allah can make a baby without Sex intercourse.

    Why is it ok for someone to drink Mohamed’s blood and that person will go to heaven because of it and you don’t consider that as shirk or paganism ?

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    1. Lol, the dummy calls himself an “ex-Muslim” and then asks questions that any Muslim would have been able to answer.

      How about this? We can embarrass you on Saturday with the answers to these questions, ok? 😉

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    2. stewjo004

      @ Looney Larry

      (Yawn) Down the line:

      1. Why do Muslim call the Spirit that spoke to Mary angel/Gabriel?

      “Tell them that the Holy Spirit has brought this down step by step from your Lord with purpose and truth, so that He can strengthen the believers as well as have it be guidance and good news to those who submit themselves as Muslims. (16:102)

      “This is revelation coming gradually from the Lord of the realms. Which the trustworthy Spirit has brought down, onto your heart, so that you can be a warner, in clear Arabic speech.” (26:192-195)

      So tell them: “Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel, who by God’s Permission, has brought this down onto your heart… (2:97)

      So one can conclude Gabriel (as) is the Holy Spirit. Further proof:

      “And remember Mary’s tale in the Scripture when she departed from her family to a place in the east, and secluded herself behind a screen. Then I sent My Spirit who appeared before her in the form of a man.” (19:16-17)

      Who was she talking to?

      THE ANGELS said: “Mary, God has favored you, made you pure and has chosen you above the women of the realms. ˹So˺ Mary be obedient to your Lord and fall down on your face and bow with those who bow…” (3:42-43)

      So we can conclude the Spirit is an angel named Gabriel(as)

      2. Is Quran truly Ethanal and will it actually turn to a man on Judgement day?

      Yes it’s eternal because it is God’s Speech and God’s attributes cannot be created He’s always had them. For example He was always Loving, Merciful, Forgiving a King etc before creating. As for part 2 not the Quran will not become a man the action will manifest. Quoting Imam Ahmed:

      “Ibn Qutaybah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Ta’weel Mukhtalaf al-Hadeeth (258):

      What was meant… is that their reward will come to the one who read them and will shade him on the Day of Resurrection, and the reward will come to a man in his grave, and it will come to a man on the Day of Resurrection and argue in his defence. … End quote. ”
      https://islamqa.info/en/answers/91306/doubts-about-the-creation-of-the-quraan

      3. Quran said Jesus breathe into a clay bird does that mean Jesus can give life like Allah ?

      Well, oh me oh my let’s read (emphasis for the blind):

      “…Jesus had spoken to them: “I’ve no doubt come to you with a clear sign from your Lord. In your very presence, I make the shape of a bird out of clay and then when I blow into it, it becomes by GOD’S WILL a living bird. (3:49)

      So Jesus(as) was only able to perform said miracle because God allowed him to do it not his own power.

      4. Why do Muslims have problem with Christians when they say Trinity Clearly There is God the Allah, God the Spirit, God the Quran and God Jesus in Quran
      or should I say 4 Ethanal .. Allah is Ethanal, Spirit is Ethanal, Quran is Ethanal and Jesus is Ethanal.

      Easy because it’s paganism pretending to be monotheistic. As for your other points God never calls Himself a “spirit” in the Quran. God is not the Quran, the Quran is an attribute and i don’t think you know the meaning of that word. And finally, Jesus(as) is never once described as eternal in the Quran you just made that up.

      5. Who is Jesus’s Father in Quran ? since Mohamed believe for someone to have a father you have to have sex but Quran said Allah can make a baby without Sex intercourse.

      “Jesus’s case in God’s eyes, is like Adam who He created from dust and then said to him: “Be,” and he came to be.” (3:59)

      As for the verse, you quoted again showing you are not being familiar with the text this was talking to the pagan Arabs who thought God had a spouse not Christians.

      6. Why is it ok for someone to drink Mohamed’s blood and that person will go to heaven because of it and you don’t consider that as shirk or paganism ?

      Easy because that didn’t happen. To begin all the chains are weak but since there is mass attesstation it upgrades to “hassan li ghayri” and the report is:

      “…narrated from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Zubayr (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) whilst he was being cupped, and when he has finished he said: “O ‘Abd-Allaah, take this blood and pour it away so no one will see it.” When he had departed from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), he went and drank the blood. He said: “O ‘Abd-Allaah, what have you done?” He said: “I put it in the most secret place where I thought it would be most hidden from the people.” He said: “Perhaps you drank it.” He said: “Yes.” He said: “Why did you drink the blood? Woe to the people because of you and woe to you because of the people.” (Narrated by Ibn Abi ‘Aasim in al-Ahaad wa’l-Mathaani (1/414))

      No paganism and you are again showing an ignorance of your alleged former religion’s text.

      Become a Muslim.

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      1. “Is Quran truly Ethanal”

        ” should I say 4 Ethanal .. Allah is Ethanal, Spirit is Ethanal…”

        “Quran is Ethanal and Jesus is Ethanal”

        Chemical compound: Ethanal
        Formula: C2H4O
        Molecular weight: 44.0526
        IUPAC Standard InChI:
        InChI=1S/C2H4O/c1-2-3/h2H,1H3
        IUPAC Standard InChIKey: IKHGUXGNUITLKF-UHFFFAOYSA-N
        CAS Registry Number: 75-07-0
        Other names: Acetic aldehyde; Ethyl aldehyde; CH3CHO; Acetaldehyd; Aldehyde acetique; Aldeide acetica; NCI-C56326; Octowy aldehyd; Acetylaldehyde; Rcra waste number U001; UN 1089; NSC 7594

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      2. Larry

        @ stewjo004
        Thanks for sharing what you know. But you are wrong with all your answers. Let us treat them 1 by 1 so that other people here too can learn.

        QUESTION. Why do Muslim call the Spirit that spoke to Mary angel/Gabriel?

        Your Response

        “Tell them that the Holy Spirit has brought this down step by step from your Lord with purpose and truth, so that He can strengthen the believers as well as have it be guidance and good news to those who submit themselves as Muslims. (16:102)
        “This is revelation coming gradually from the Lord of the realms. Which the trustworthy Spirit has brought down, onto your heart, so that you can be a warner, in clear Arabic speech.” (26:192-195)
        So tell them: “Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel, who by God’s Permission, has brought this down onto your heart… (2:97)
        So one can conclude Gabriel (as) is the Holy Spirit. Further proof:
        “And remember Mary’s tale in the Scripture when she departed from her family to a place in the east, and secluded herself behind a screen. Then I sent My Spirit who appeared before her in the form of a man.” (19:16-17)
        Who was she talking to?

        1 I noticed you use the word conclude not that Quran say it is Gabriel. With your conclusion you are wrong.
        Definition of Conclude – bring or come to an end, Or arrive at a judgement or opinion by reasoning. Just for clarification .

        Now let me explain then I will put Quran verses below to support my argument,
        In Quran (19:17) Allah send his spirit to Mary and the spirit appeared to Mary in a form of a man, Note Spirit Appear as a man But in Quran (16:2), Quran (70:4), Quran (78:38), and Quran (97:4) we can see that Allah send his Angels and Spirit don’t miss the point I said angels meaning multiple so if the Spirit is also call Angel definitely it would have been included with the angels not Angels with Spirit. That means Spirit is different from angel. The same way Angel can appear in form of a man, Spirit can also appear as a man. Also if you look at Quran (89:22) you will see Allah coming with angels same way Allah send Angels with Spirit. Again in Quran (17:85) when the pagan ask Mohamed about The Spirit not Angel The spirit he told them he doesn’t know much about The Spirit if the Spirit is Gabriel Mohamed would have said so or did He lie? Mohamed clearly says Angel Gabriel is the one that reveal Quran to him in Quran (2:97),So Mohamed clearly know who Angel Gabriel is.
        Finally to see that Angels and Spirit are different in Quran (15:28) and Quran (15:29) Allah was talking to the Angels about creating a human being with black mud and he will breathe his Spirit to the clay and it will become a human as you can see from the verses Angels are listening to Allah but Spirit was breathe out of Allah.
        Before I put all the Quran verses below and go to the next one you got wrong, can you now see Angels are different from Spirit ? Angels are created but Spirit is part of Allah ,Spirit is Ethanal.

        Quran (19:17)
        Pickthall: And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man.

        Quran (16:2)
        Pickthall: He sendeth down the angels with the Spirit of His command unto whom He will of His bondmen, (saying): Warn mankind that there is no Allah save Me, so keep your duty unto Me.

        Quran (70:4)
        Pickthall: (Whereby) the angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years.

        Quran (78:38)
        Pickthall: On the day when the angels and the Spirit stand arrayed, they speak not, saving him whom the Beneficent alloweth and who speaketh right.

        Quran (97:4)
        Pickthall: The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees.
        Quran (89:22)
        Pickthall: And thy Lord shall come with angels, rank on rank,

        Quran (17:85)
        Pickthall: They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little.

        Quran (15:28)
        Pickthall: And (remember) when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am creating a mortal out of potter’s clay of black mud altered,

        Quran (15:29)
        Pickthall: So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him.

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      3. mr.heathcliff

        There are many questions a liar c50 christian like u has to answer

        Do you believe when GOd does something, He is doing something physical like humans? yhwh in bible has nostrils which help him smell barbecue…is that what u think GOd of islam is like? Physical?
        Now my question is , “of my spirit…” what makes u think this spirit is numerically identical with “the spirit” ? What even makes u think it is even a separate existent thing which is alive and conscious u c50 krister?

        It doesnt even say “i breathed into him part of me /OF ME”

        Now what argument u have “OF…MY spirit” means PHYSICAL TRANSFERRANCE OF GOD IN TO ANOTHER, why cant it be taken to mean gods closeness ?

        “We are closer to Him than….”

        Or Gods honouring HIS OWN WORKS………..

        “breath into him OF(not all) My spirit…”

        2. What makes u think that SOMETHING GOD possesses Implies POSSESSED thing is God?

        3.So, it is not you who killed them, but in fact Allah killed them. And you did not throw when you threw but Allah did throw,

        We (verb) in (object)

        help me out here c50 krister.

        So what give liar like u authority to force tripletism in the text?

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  23. Larry

    @ quranandbibleblog

    Lol this is very unlike you, all you can say is to talk about grammatical error but not addressing my points wow. Anyway I am waiting for @Stewjo004

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  24. stewjo004

    @ Looney Larry

    The ayah does not need to say Gabriel (as). One ayah says “…the Holy Spirit brought this down on your heart” and another says “….Gabriel brought this down on your heart” so it’s not a stretch to conclude Gabriel(as) is the Holy Spirit.

    Neither ayah contradicts. There are multiple angels in the room and one is called the Spirit. Further proof is in other verses we see the angels can take the form of men. Like any deviant, you are ignoring clear-cut verses and trying to twist ambiguity.

    Moving on, your argument regarding being asked about the Spirit etc nome of this defeats my initial statement:

    A.More than likely referring to the soul from hadith
    B.Even ignoring that what makes you think he(saw) would know anything about angels except what little has been revealed about them?
    C. Next the Spirit is not a part of God I have no idea how you came to that. God placing His name with something is a means of honoring. For example, a masjid is called a “House of God” but nobody believes God lives in them. It is a means of honor for the building, the same way with the “Spirit of God” or a “Spirit from Him”.

    The splitting of Spirit and angels is irrelevant; you can have two different things with similar-sounding names. For example:

    Jesus is called a “Word from God”

    And the Decree of God is called “God’s words”

    And nobody goes “Oh Jesus(as) must be God’s Decrees”

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    1. Larry

      I really don’t know if I understand your response, you are not really straight with it but I am guessing that you are trying to say Angel and Spirit are the same, one of the angel is called spirit if I am correct. You remember I called your attention to the choice of word you use “Conclude”, let me say it again your conclusion doesn’t mean you are 100% right you can be wrong that means you are not 100% sure of what you said since you conclude based on what you wish it to be.

      Firstly let us see the definition of Angels and Spirit to show that you are wrong then we will go back to Quran to show you are wrong the two cant be the same.

      Definition of SPIRIT noun from the Oxford Advanced Learner’s Dictionary
      uncountable, countable] the part of a person that includes their mind, feelings and character rather than their body

      Definition of ANGEL from the Oxford Advanced Learner’s Dictionary
      a spirit who is believed to be a servant of God, and is sent by God to deliver a message or perform a task. Angels are often shown dressed in white, with wings.

      You said like any deviant, I am ignoring clear-cut verses and trying to twist ambiguity but you are forgetting the fact that I gave you more than 4 verses in Quran that support my theory, I did not invent anything or use any other source to support my argument apart from Quran. How can I be twisting if I gave you more verses and you only give 2 that didn’t even say what you are claiming ? You conclude the 2 verses claims what you are saying not that the verses says what you are claiming.
      I will explain again but before I do that I want you and everyone else reading this, If truly you love God and care about truth, whenever you see something that seems not right or you don’t understand you cant just conclude. That is Ego, selfishness , misleading, manipulating etc.. The same way you people criticise Christians when you read something in bible and you don’t understand you should do the same with Quran, if you don’t do that when you read Quran that means you are hypocrites . Jesus said Woe to the Scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 23 but in verse 25-26
      Matthew 23-25
      25 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and [l]self-indulgence.
      26 Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.

      Now let me explain again how you are wrong, I believe most of you hear write and speaks better English than me, so when Quran said Angels and Spirit there is no way in this world Quran is referring to 1 Angel as a spirit. You are the one trying to twist here. There is clear different from Spirit and Angel, first lets talk about what is written in Quran Angels and Spirit clear distinction that’s why it say AND if they are the same it will not say AND father and Son.. Sugar and Tea, Rice and Noodles, Blood and Water, I would have said maybe you are right if Quran didn’t say ANGELS with an S, That clearly shows all the Angels ALL not 1 ALL, Are you saying Quran that Muslims claims its perfect is not actually perfect? its confusing ? if angel Gabriel is a Spirit ,then He cant be angel. Is either you are an Angel or Spirit .Why don’t you conclude Angle Gabriel and Spirit reveal Quran to Mohamed? That would make more sense and goes with what Quran says rather than saying you conclude Gabriel is a Spirit and also an Angel. That’s manipulating my friend because you knew if you conclude that it will raise more questions. Which is fine if truly you care about God and Truth.
      Quran (15:29) says — So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him.
      Quran (19:17) And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man.
      This verses clearly shows The spirit only come from ALLAH , did Allah breathe Angel too? And remember this two verse is talking about How Allah create Adam and Jesus without sexual intercourse and I remember you or QB saying Allah create Jesus same way He did Adams. How can you not see it’s the same Spirit we are talking about here did Allah create Jesus by Angel or Spirit?
      Also in Quran (17:85) They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been vouchsafed but little.
      Everyone know what Angel is and Mohamed does too so clearly you are the one twisting it to be an Angel. Again because you don’t want to agree that there is a spirit that comes out from Allah that is different from Angels and some people don’t even know why Muslims cant agree that there is A spirit from Allah that can appear as form of human and its different from Angels . going back to Quran (17:85) Mohamed said he doesn’t know much about The Spirit then I showed you Quran (2:97) that clearly shows Mohamed knows Angel Gabriel which means if anyone asked him about Angel Gabriel he would easily tell them about him or let me ask you again do you mean he lied to them when he said he doesn’t know much about the Spirit , if I should go with your claim that The Spirit is Gabriel that means Mohamed will know that too and He lied to those people or you are wrong. Or show me one place in Quran that says an Angel turns to Spirit Or Spirit turns to an Angel

      Quran (2:97)
      Say (O Muhammad, to mankind): Who is an enemy to Gabriel! For he it is who hath revealed (this Scripture) to thy heart by Allah’s leave,
      confirming that which was (revealed) before it, and a guidance and glad tidings to believers.

      I want to say to you again do the same thing you do to Bible to Quran. The same way you question bible when you see something you don’t get do the same with Quran don’t be a hypocrite. How can Quran says something about what bible is doing that is wrong and Quran is doing the same thing? Without Quran and Mohamed most Muslims will be Christians today. How can you not question it if you are truly going to follow it.

      I will leave you with this because I want to address other things you got wrong and also I don’t need you to admit to me that you are wrong its between you and your make, I know how difficult is for a Muslim to think they are wrong. If you know you are only 99% sure of your claim and 1% not sure I will advice you to seek God’s face because God is 100%, if there is truly something in your heart saying you might be wrong with your claim listen and take time to pray. I have said this over and over again. If truly Allah is merciful and Holy he cant fault you for trying to find out the truth and if truly you believe Allah answers prayer then surely have the same believe that he will answer your prayer if you need understanding.
      If you have a question for me regarding this I will reply if you don’t lets just leave it there and move to the other one you got wrong. I await your response if I can move to the next

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      1. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        1. “…I really don’t know if I understand your response…”

        Makes sense your English sucks.

        2. “…you are not really straight with it…”

        Everyone who’s read our back and forth disagrees.

        3. “…Definition of SPIRIT noun from the Oxford Advanced Learner’s Dictionary…”

        Oh man, that would matter a SUPER bunch if the Quran was in English so this whole point means nothing. Hilariously your attempt to use those dictionaries actually agrees with me but whatever I believe we’ve already established you’re not exactly the brightest bulb on the tree. I’ll see your “Oxford’s Dictionary” and raise you, Hans Wehr:

        “Ruhun – Soul, spirit, vital principle, breath which a man breathes and pervades his whole body. Inspiration or divine revelation [since it is like the vital principle is to the body and quickens man]…ruuhun (n.) – revelation, spirit, soul, human soul, GABRIEL, ANGEL OF REVELATION.

        https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/Quran-roots/Eng/Ra-Waw-Haa-1291.html

        To further pile on the punishment:

        16:102. Tell them that the Holy Spirit has brought this down step by step from your Lord with purpose and truth, so that He can strengthen the believers as well as have it be guidance and good news to those who submit themselves as Muslims.

        4. “…I gave you more than 4 verses in Quran that support my theory…”

        Yes, that’s exactly what deviants like yourself do:

        “He revealed the Scripture to you with clear verses in it. They are the Scripture’s foundation while other ˹parts˺ are vague. But those whose hearts are deviant look to cause conflicts by only following what isn’t clear, as they pursue hidden meanings and interpretations…” (3:7)

        5. “…If truly you love God and care about truth, whenever you see something that seems not right or you don’t understand you cant just conclude…”

        I don’t “just conclude” I believe you are a retarded kaffir who doesn’t know the basics of Islam or even Christianity for that matter.

        6. “…there is no way in this world Quran is referring to 1 Angel as a spirit…Is either you are an Angel or Spirit .”
        Sure other than the fact that everyone (including fellow kuffar) disagrees with you. Again angels were standing there and the “Spirit” is also standing there. Angels take the forms of men, the Spirit also takes the form of a man. An angel brings down the Quran, the Spirit also brings down the Quran. It’s really not that complicated for those who aren’t retarded that it’s a nickname for Gabriel(as).

        7. “…This verses clearly shows The spirit only come from ALLAH , did Allah breathe Angel too?”

        It is again not the same thing dumb@$$.

        8. “…Without Quran and Mohamed most Muslims will be Christians today.”

        Hahahahahaha…ahhhh. No, they would probably be athiest as your religion is nonsense and dying a slow, painful death.

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        Why u lie about being a muslim when in reality u r a born again spiritual adulterer and seeking gods like yhwh described:

        There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.


        You can here to tell people to spiritually lust after your god, right?

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      3. mr.heathcliff

        So u think jesoz when he said in public, some standing here will not taste death….he meant “soon” as in ALL standing there will taste death? So jesoz deceived those listners ? Remember, in public, he chats about the coming kingdom of god, but what came was pagan persecution and destruction .

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  25. mr.heathcliff

    25 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and [l]self-indulgence.
    26 Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.”

    Yes, reminds me of a time jesus received an expensive oiling for his funeral. imagine keeping ur dead body smelling nice vs PRESERVING life by feeding the poor, christ preferred smelling nice, extortionately.

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  26. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Hey what is the Islamic conception on masculinity? I’m asking cuz I’m confused as to which traits would be considered feminine or masculine. Is being emotionally available or vulnerable feminine or not? Is the masculinity depicted in Islam like the traditional masculinity everyone knows about or is it more different and nuanced?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Ibbn mumthaz

      Pretty much normal masculinity.Of course, everyone is different but sometimes you’re expected to put on your big boy pants

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  27. Larry

    @ stewjo004
    3. “…Definition of SPIRIT noun from the Oxford Advanced Learner’s Dictionary…”
    Oh man, that would matter a SUPER bunch if the Quran was in English so this whole point means nothing. Hilariously your attempt to use those dictionaries actually agrees with me but whatever I believe we’ve already established you’re not exactly the brightest bulb on the tree. I’ll see your “Oxford’s Dictionary” and raise you, Hans Wehr:

    Oh boi..@ stewjo004 are you saying The meaning of Spirit and Angel in English is different from Arabic? Are you saying Quran that is translated to English cant be trusted? I really don’t get what you mean by that would matter a SUPER bunch if the Quran was in English.
    Again with the definition of Angel and Spirit, we can see that Angels are spiritual beings while Spirit is the part of a person that includes their mind, feelings and character. Clearly my spirit is not an Angel or your Spirit is an Angel?

    6. “…there is no way in this world Quran is referring to 1 Angel as a spirit…Is either you are an Angel or Spirit .”
    Sure other than the fact that everyone (including fellow kuffar) disagrees with you. Again angels were standing there and the “Spirit” is also standing there. Angels take the forms of men, the Spirit also takes the form of a man. An angel brings down the Quran, the Spirit also brings down the Quran. It’s really not that complicated for those who aren’t retarded that it’s a nickname for Gabriel(as)

    You said An angel brings down the Quran, the Spirit also brings down the Quran and both Spirit and Angel is Gabriel right?
    My question Is Gabriel different from the Spirit that Allah breathe out when creating Adam and Also the Spirit that was sent to Mary?
    Better still Is Gabriel an Angel/Spiritual being OR is Gabriel the Spirit Allah breathe out?
    Again let me rephrase is there A Spirit directly from Allah that is different from Angel Gabriel? I really want to know, its very important to get to the bottom of this.
    1 you are saying Gabriel is also the Spirit, does that mean Gabriel is part of Allah like Quran is?
    2 if Gabriel is part of Allah he cant be an Angel because Angels are not part of Allah

    3 Does that means Gabriel is Eternal? Because anything that is part of Allah is Eternal.

    …Without Quran and Mohamed most Muslims will be Christians today.”
    Hahahahahaha…ahhhh. No, they would probably be athiest as your religion is nonsense and dying a slow, painful death.

    Christianity – 2.38 billion
    Islam – 1.91 billion
    Hinduism – 1.16 billion
    Buddhism – 507 million
    Folk Religions – 430 million
    Other – 61 million
    Unaffiliated – 1.19 billion

    I cant see how atheist can be more than Christianity. Easily out the 1.9 Billion Muslims around the world I am so sure if there is no Mohamed and Quran over 1Billion of Muslims today will be Christian. This is exactly what Devil want to achieve to create a pathway to destroy people by revealing Quran to Mohamed so that people will stop following Jesus the only trough way.

    Please stop dancing around Just answer straightforward, I really want to move to the other one you got wrong .I want to know what you are saying. Is there a Spirit directly from Allah that is totally different from Angel Gabriel

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Looney Larry

      1. “…I really don’t get what you mean by that would matter a SUPER bunch if the Quran was in English…”

      There’s jut no way you’re this retar- ugh…Larry, did you ride the short bus to school? You’re entire argument is “well the English word angel and Spirit mean different things” the Quran did not use the word “Spirit” or “Angel” so quoting Oxford does not mean anything as the author did not say that. it’s like me saying: “Muslims use “asalamualakum” and in French “Bonjour” means… Muslims did not say “Bonjour” to one another nor does “asalaumakum” really translate into it other than as a greeting in the two languages.

      2. “…My question Is Gabriel different from the Spirit that Allah breathe out when creating Adam…Is there a Spirit directly from Allah that is totally different from Angel Gabriel…”

      Yes, and I said that already and this answers the rest of your mindless tirade. Thank you for further showing why I think you’re a dumb@$$.

      3. “…I cant see how atheist can be more than Christianity.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Christianity_in_the_Western_world

      4. “…This is exactly what Devil want to achieve to create a pathway to destroy people by revealing Quran to Mohamed…”

      Well, at least you concede the Quran is supernatural which is good.

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      1. Lol, the retard Larry thinks Satan had a master plan to start Islam as a way to keep people from entering Christianity, but then chose a place that had only a few Christians, most of which were Nestorians and other “heretical” sects, and mostly was dominated by polytheists.

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      1. @Faiz Will it be uploaded on YT or you’ll upload bits and pieces on Twitter?

        If on YT then

        @Stew, Please suggest a title.

        For category I suggest Comedy or Entertainment.

        We’ll make Larry popular, he should thank us /s

        @Larry Please don’t forget your homies when you’re famous

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  28. Larry

    @quranandbibleblog

    Lol, Loonie Larry is seriously retarded.

    Hey Loonie, I will send you the link to Zoom tomorrow around 12:30 EST. Be ready.

    I will be expecting the link.

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      1. Larry

        I don’t want anything going on internet. I am not doing this for entertainment. It’s seems you guys just want to do it for fun and to gain viewers.

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      2. Why not? We are not doing this for fun. We are doing this for Dawah and to show that Christians have no answers. Are you not confident about your religion? Can you not debunk Islam? Here’s your chance to show lots of people.

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      3. Larry

        I am not running away. I am not a debater and I don’t want my face going all over the internet. Also I ask what you want to talk about so I can prepare now I know why you didn’t say it. I don’t mind coming on zoom to talk to you but I don’t want my face going on internet. If I want to do that we will have to pick a topic I will prepare myself , get all references and everything I need before we start.

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      4. mr.heathcliff

        “but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel”

        something here doesnt make sense, if jeesoz was preaching his dying all throughout the gospels, why are they making redeeming jerusalem a neccessary condition ?

        Miracles. Not neccessary condition
        Prediction of death not neccessary

        Redeeming jerilusalem = neccessary condition for messiahood.

        Since u like talking about miracles, here u have jewish disciples of jesoz disqualifying him as messiah..

        ” WE HOPED….”

        so ur own text is saying miracle is not a neccessary condition .

        In hypothetical scenario if x liberated jerusalem and did NO MIRACLES, would he be seen as redeemer of israel?

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    1. “I don’t want anything going on internet. I am not doing this for entertainment. It’s seems you guys just want to do it for fun and to gain viewers.”

      What happened to the chest thumping?

      If you’re worried about identity, you can even fake a manly voice there’s no problem

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  29. mr.heathcliff

    What do the muslims here think of this

    quote:

    Ken and Wood are playing stupid by projecting the word “hate” into the Quran where it doesn’t exist. Where does the Quran explicitly say that Allah hates them? The Quran nowhere explicitly says that Allah hates anyone, it says “Allah does not love” which simply and conspicuously means He does not love nor hate them. In other words, Allah is neutral and allows the disbelievers and wrongdoers chances to repent because when He created the universe He wrote over His throne “My mercy precedes my wrath” (Sahih Bukhari). He guides those who want to be guided, not those who reject the Divine guidance and follows their own desires. Where does it say Allah hates? For example, if I say “I don’t love that person”, does that mean I him? No, if anyone says I hate that person they are misunderstanding my words. The Quran nowhere associates the word “hate” with Allah because He is merciful to all humanity. The showering of rain from heaven emanates from the mercy and compassion to God, the Quran commands the Muslims to be kind towards those who don’t fight against them. The Quran says “Do not let the hatred of a people make you swerve from justice” (5:8) and always “Stand up for justice” (4:136). On the contrary, the Bible explicitly chooses the word HATE to describe his relationship with unbelievers and workers of iniquity (Ps. 5:5). Unlike the Quran, the Bible explicitly says “You HATE those who do wrong”. According to Eprojecting their own views into the Quran. The Quran nowhere explicitly says that Allah hates anyone.

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  30. Supporter of Ahmad bin 'Abd-Allah peace and blessings upon him

    @stew
    Jazakallahu khair but you haven’t answered the other question of being emotionally vulnerable being feminine or not. Also I’ve been seeing alot of ppl call traits of traditional masculinity I tend to think of as “toxic masculinity”. How do we define masculinity in an Islamic lense?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Ibn mumthaz

      It’s going to vary a bit from culture to culture but some generality:

      1. Firm adherence to the juntions/commands of the religion.
      2. being patient.
      3. Justiceness and Fairness in all matters. (Adl)
      4. Being able to deal with people who give you extreme difficulty, and restrain yourself.
      5. being Appreciative.
      6. Having Humbleness and Humility.
      7. Zuhd- Not being attached to the world while living the world.
      8. Self Respect – having shame and nobility.
      9. Being forgiving (‘Afuw)
      10. Confident.
      11. Haya’ – Modesty
      12. Shuja’a – Bravery
      13. Rahma – Mercy.
      14. Being thoughtful in speech.
      15. Having a Bright face (i.e. Smiling) and approachable.
      16. Hukm – Giving commands and authority in the correct manner to the right people.
      17. Being Active and helpful
      18. Calm, Cool and Collected, not in constant worry.
      19. Watching what you eat and drink (i.e. only pure and good things/ not becoming fat)
      20.Imparting these same qualities to your family members.

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      1. “Also I’ve been seeing alot of ppl call traits of traditional masculinity I tend to think of as “toxic masculinity”.

        Makes me curious,

        Was it from Muslim Twitter?

        Can you list some of the stuff they said?

        I hope it’s not one of those red pill copycat stuff

        Plus to summarize what Stew said, look at the Sunnah and apply it

        Our only criteria to define the core of masculinity irrespective of culture should be the Sunnah

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        “And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

        So what jesus is saying that crosstians were taken out of the frying pan and put in fire (from jewish “perseuction” to roman lion flesh tearing) he covered.it with language “your redemption is drawing near”

        So lets see

        1. Hate = love less
        2.love = burning people in depths of hell
        3. Redemption = from mild persection to roman sending lions to eat crosstian flesh

        Lol

        This is crazy

        krist is a false prophet acc to nt.

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  31. It’s really nice of brother Halaby and the other brother to join alongside with debating and organizing and stuff, seeing this sort of teamwork among our online dawah community is beautiful and is also a good example.

    God bless ’em

    @Faiz, some philosophy on this blog would be a nice addition don’t you think? To debate and all….

    maybe you can propose Jake to become an author here?

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  32. Larry

    @QB
    Could you please pass this to Halaby. I promised that I will send the verses that shows Mohamed didn’t do miracles and contradict what Muslims are saying using Hadith.

    Quran (17:59)
    Quran (6:109)
    Quran 6:37.
    Quran 28:48
    Quran 29:50
    Quran 13:7
    Quran 11:12

    Quran (17:105) is the verse I was telling Halaby, which says Quran was sent down for people and it is enough miracle for them, Mohamed can’t do miracles, his only job is to warn people not perform miracle. If you are free on Saturday we can arrange to meet again on zoom to discuss more on those topics.
    https://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=17&verse=105&to=111
    (17:105) We have sent down the Qur’an with the Truth, and it is with the Truth that it has descended. And We have not sent you but to proclaim good news and to warn.118

    118. That is, it is not your responsibility to cause, in a supernatural manner, springs to gush forth or gardens to grow or pieces of the sky to fall down in order to convince those people who do not judge the Quran by its teachings nor decide between the truth and falsehood on merit. As the Quran has been sent down with truth, you should present it before the people and tell them plainly that the one, who believes, does so for his own good and the one who rejects it, does it at his own peril.

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    1. Go to his Twitter. He’ll be glad to destroy you there as well, as you were destroyed during the talk. 😆

      None of the verses you listed deny that Muhammad (pbuh) could not perform miracles. In terms of chronology, they all pre-dated the revelation of Surah al-Qamar, when the moon was split. Now let’s see what the same website you linked to says regarding Syrah al-Qamar:

      Therefore, the truth is that the incident of the splitting of the moon is confirmed explicitly by the words of the Quran and it is not dependent upon the traditions of the Hadith. However, the traditions supply its details, and one comes to know when and how it had taken place. These traditions have been related by Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Ahmad, Abu Uwanah, Abu Daud Tayalisi, Abdur Razzaq, Ibn Jarir, Baihaqi, Tabarani, Ibn Marduyah, and Abu Nuaim Tsfahani with many chains of transmitters on the authority of Ali, Abdullah bin Masud, Abdullah bin Abbas, Abdullah bin Umar, Hudhaifah, Anas bin Malik and Jubair bin Mutim. Three of these authorities, viz, Abdullah bin Masud, Hudhaifah, and Jubair bin Mutim state that they were the eye-witnesses of this event; two of them cannot be its eye-witnesses, for this event took place before the birth of one (i.e. Abdullah bin Abbas) and at a time when the other (i.e. Anas bin Malik) was yet a child. But since both these scholars were companions, obviously they must have reported this event after they had heard it from the aged companions who had direct knowledge of it.

      The information that one gathers from the various traditions is that this incident occurred about five years before the Hijrah. It was the 14th night of the lunar month; the moon had just risen when it suddenly split and its two parts were seen on either side of the hill in front. Then after a moment or so they rejoined. The Prophet (peace be upon him) at that time was at Mina. He told the people to mark it and be witnesses to it. The disbelievers said that Muhammad (peace be upon him) had worked magic on them; therefore, their eyes had been deceived. The other people said: Muhammad could have worked magic on us but not on all the people. Let the people from other places come, we shall ask them if they also had witnessed this incident. When the people from other places came, they bore evidence that they also had witnessed the same phenomenon.

      https://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=54&verse=1&to=55

      Well, how about that? It was a miracle that was witnessed by the pagans of Mecca as well as many Muslims! Ding, ding, ding!

      I will definitely set something up for this Saturday, same time, inshaAllah.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        Bro, the proof behind him being a non-muslim kafir liar was his apologetics about jebus “coming soon”
        How come he didnt afford the same right to islam, but tries to save jesus by dead crosstian cop out responses?

        This guy lied about being muslim

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        even noah p is says the same thing as muhammad p

        Sahih International: I am only a clear warner.”

        Ila nadheerun…

        Sahih International: They said, “If you do not desist, O Noah, you will surely be of those who are stoned.”

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      3. mr.heathcliff

        Sahih International: They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the Hour: when is its arrival? Say, “Its knowledge is only with my Lord. None will reveal its time except Him. It lays heavily upon the heavens and the earth. It will not come upon you except unexpectedly.” They ask you as if you are familiar with it. Say, “Its knowledge is only with Allah , but most of the people do not know.”

        Sahih International: Say, “I hold not for myself [the power of] benefit or harm, except what Allah has willed. And if I knew the unseen, I could have acquired much wealth, and no harm would have touched me. I am not except a warner and a bringer of good tidings to a people who believe.”

        Sahih International: And of His signs is that He sends the winds as bringers of good tidings and to let you taste His mercy and so the ships may sail at His command and so you may seek of His bounty, and perhaps you will be grateful.

        so Allah send BUSHRA to the people, the prophet is bringer of bushra to the people.

        Sahih International: Mankind was [of] one religion [before their deviation]; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. And none differed over the Scripture except those who were given it – after the clear proofs came to them – out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path.

        so the prophets are identified as mubashreen who bring bushra to the people

        and we see here evidence that quran does not deny miracles of the prophet muhammad p

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      4. mr.heathcliff

        i have looked at the use of arabic words and LINKED different ayats together to give evidence that the quran does not deny miracles of muhammad p. you were an “ex-muslim” and yet you couldnt do what i did under two min?

        why u lie about being ex-muslim?

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      1. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        1. Did Allah and His angels send blessings, Praise or pray for Mohamed? Quran 33:56

        Blessings.

        What you’re parroting is David Wood’s retarded “salawat” argument that is based on not knowing what is called a “relational noun”. For example:

        The space of the car was huge.
        The car went into space.

        ‘Car‘ and ‘space‘ are the same words in the above sentences. While the meaning of ‘car‘ in the second sentence is the same, ‘space‘ even though it’s the same word, due to its context, has a different meaning which makes it what we call “relative”. The same happens with “salawat” in 33:56 and thus explains why Stew says all kuffar like yourself are retarded.

        2. Was Mohamed bewitched or was it mental health problem? Quran 25:8

        First off this accusation is refuted in the next verse you quote:

        “Why hasn’t he been given treasure or a magical garden to give him his food?” The evildoers say: “The man you follow is simply a victim of some sort of spell.” See how they come up with all these different examples about who or what you are? They are so far lost, they can’t even find a path. (25:8-9)

        And if you weren’t so busy listening to the voices in your head and actually getting around to reading the book you claim to believe in now you would know this is a common accusation against the prophets for example using Jesus(as):

        When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, “He is out of His mind.” And the scribes who had come down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,g” and, “By the prince of the demons He drives out demons.” ( Mark 3:21–22)

        Again there was division among the Jews because of Jesus’ message. Many of them said, “He is demon-possessed and insane. Why would you listen to Him?” (John 10:19-20)

        There are so many things that show that you’re a moron that doesn’t know the basics of Islam or Christianity, I don’t know why you keep trying to debate.

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      2. stewjo004

        @ QB

        Hmmm, I’ve gotten so used to Larry’s craziness I forgot this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

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      3. Larry

        it’s been a while meaning Stew, I miss talking to you lol… as always you did not disappoint me with your response.. Before I reply to your response are you sure you are reading your Quran, Hadith and Tafsir very well? it seems you are not up to date about some things or you know the truth but you are just stubborn and don’t want to change. One thing I will say is this, I like fact that everything you say is saved here and I have evidence of all your claims so when the time comes you cant say you didn’t say it lol and also I like the fact that you already know the video I was talking about, I know for sure you would have seen it but miss the point as always.

        Let me ask You and the rest of the Muslims here this. If anyone of you see anything that does not add up in Islam will you question it? Honest to God I am not trying to make fun or be smart about the question.. I just want to know the truth because have seen a trend here that seems you guys can see things that didn’t add up and you choose to ignore them. So I just want to know if you are like people that says you can never question anything about Quran or Mohamed , either bad or false claims you just have to accept it. Please be honest if you care about God because I have some serious concerns about Mohamed, Quran and Islam as a whole . I am sure there is possibilities you have knowledge of these concerns .

        So if you don’t care when Quran contradict itself or Mohamed did Evil thing then no need for me to ask any question again just tell me you don’t care please again be honest please

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    2. stewjo004

      @Looney Larry

      To begin the simple response is we Muslims are not forced to limit ourselves to only the Quran as we believe both Quran and ahadith are authoritative and don’t have to throw one out just because you say so. However, to show how little you know what you’re talking about, let’s break down what you quote. As you you should know former “Muslim” the Quran came down in different stages. ALL the verses you quotes are early Meccan preaching before a miracle was actually sent to the people (more on this in a bit):

      Surah Anam (6:37, 6:109)
      Al-Awfi, Ikrimah and Ata said that Ibn Abbas said, “Surah Al-An`am was revealed in Makkah.”

      At-Tabarani recorded that Ibn Abbas said, “All of Surah Al-An`am was revealed in Makkah at night, accompanied by seventy thousand angels, raising their voices in glorification of Allah.”

      http://www.quran4u.com/Tafsir%20Ibn%20Kathir/006%20An%27am.htm

      Surah hud (11:12)
      Which was Revealed in Makkahhttp://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Hud/Which-was-Revealed-in-Makkah

      Surah Ra’d (13:7)
      Which was revealed in Makkahhttp://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Ar-Rad/Which-was-revealed-in-Makkah

      Surah Isra (17:59)
      Which was revealed in Makkahhttp://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Al-Isra/Which-was-revealed-in-Makkah

      Surah Qasas (28:48)
      Which was revealed in Makkahhttp://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Al-Qasas/Which-was-revealed-in-Makkah

      Surah Ankaboot (29:50)
      Which was revealed in Makkahhttp://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Al-Ankaboot/Which-was-revealed-in-Makkah

      So the equivalent of your argument was me taking this Bible verse:

      Then Jesus said to them, “Only in his hometown, among his relatives, and in his own household is a prophet without honor.” So He could not perform any miracles there…And He was amazed at their unbelief. (Mark 6:4-6)

      And saying: “Look, look Jesus(as) couldn’t perform any miracles!” You would sit there and go: “no you have to look at other passages as well.” Same with us. in the beginning your fellow pagan disbelievers challenged for a miracle and because God is not a circus act He didn’t allow it. Then God allowed it to establish proof against them. Hence why:

      The Hour has drawn near and the moon has split.Yet when they see a miracle, they ignore it and say: “This is just some sorcery that will soon fade away.” They call it a lie and follow their whims and desires, but every matter will be settled. Cautionary tales have reached them, (containing) profound wisdom, but all the warnings will be of no use. So ignore these ones because on the Day when the Caller will summon them to a thing which is unspeakably terrible and foreign to them… (54:1-6)

      Or:

      It was not you who killed them, it was God. And when you threw, it was not your throw but God’s, so that He could test and refine the believers, because God is All Seeing and Knowing… (8:17)

      “Allah then mentioned the handful of sand that His Prophet threw at the disbelievers during the day of Badr, when he went out of his bunker. While in the bunker, the Prophet invoked Allah humbly and expressing his neediness before Allah. He then threw a handful of sand at the disbelievers and said…(Humiliated be their faces.) He then commanded his Companions to start fighting with sincerity and they did. Allah made this handful of sand enter the eyes of the idolators, each one of them were struck by some of it and it distracted them making each of them busy. Allah said…(And you threw not when you did throw, but Allah threw.) Therefore, it is Allah Who made the sand reach their eyes and busied them with it, not you (O Muhammad) .http://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Al-Anfal/Allahs-Signs-displayed-during—

      #yeptheyrerallstillretarded

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      1. Lol, Larry got wrecked during the talk, yet due to his pride, he can’t admit it and wants more. He even told me that he hasn’t even read the Bible in full yet, not even the New Testament, despite being a Christian for 4 years now! 😂

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      2. Weird that he didn’t even do the basic thing of checking the timeline which any Muslim would do. So much for being ex Muslim and so much for thumping his chest when he first came here claiming to know Islam much better than we do.

        I suggest to make him recite some random surahs on saturday. I’m damn sure Muslim kids from nigeria not only have decent tajweed but also knows a lot of surahs for obvious reasons.

        @Larry, what if I told you God told me to become Muslim would all your imbecilic arguments matter? Flipping 101

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      3. Larry

        First of all its seems you guys are forgetting my argument from the start. I said Christians and Muslims believe Jesus is not Fake remember I am not saying God, Only Muslims believe Mohamed is not Fake that is 1 point, Then again I said if there is only one way to heaven is either through Jesus or Mohamed/Islam 2nd point and Lastly I said in that case we Just need to find a way to proof if Mohamed is Fake or Real prophet, Since we don’t need to proof if Jesus is fake or Real. If we can proof Mohamed is not fake that means He is the person to follow, if we cant proof that, then Jesus that we both know he is not fake is the way. So when we talked about anything is Quran is to check if Mohamed is real or Fake because if Mohamed is fake then we cant trust Quran.

        In regards to Quran (54:1-6),I already made it clear that the verse says Allah did the miracle, the only thing Mohamed was prayed to Allah according to hadith because we couldn’t find the place where it says Mohamed prayed in Quran. Also remember according to all Muslim Quran is perfect and Allah sent it down because Bible is corrupt and also to give new laws etc. So Quran should be more easy to understand than bible, more composed, no error at all in it.

        Let me show you example of A prophet performing miracle according to Quran and Bible

        Quran (3:49) Is talking about Jesus Miracles and if you read it you will see how it use I as in Jesus 6times mean I Jesus did all this by the permission of Allah. Very clear Quran said Jesus did miracles by the permission of Allah there no doubt in this very straightforward. Allah is the one with power Jesus the Vessel used

        Quran (26:65) is talking about Allah inspiring Moses to Split the water with his staff, again its clear that Moses smite the Red sea with his Staff not Allah, Allah didn’t say We smite the water and if you read verse 66 Allah continue to say We saved Moses and the Israelite again Quran its clear about Moses part and Allah’s part of the miracle. Allah is the one with power Moses the Vessel used

        Exodus 14:15-17 NKJV Same story bible is talking about Moses splitting the red sea, and you can see how God to him to use his rod and also how God said He will harden the hearts of the Egyptians not Moses harden their hearts and Not God stretching the rod. Again bible is very straightforward with it God is the one with power Moses the Vessel used

        John 9:6-7 NKJV same story bible is talking about how Jesus spat on the ground and made clay with the saliva; and He anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay, again Jesus spat not God the Father . Bible is clear on what Jesus did and also in verse 3 of the same chapter Jesus already to his disciples neither the man nor his parents sinned for him to be born blind, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.

        Now if I ask anyone according to Quran (3:49) who breathe into a clay bird? Who heal the blind man and leper? What would your answer be please ?

        If I ask according to Quran (26:65) who smite the red sea with staff and it parted ? What would your answer be?

        If I ask according to John 9:6-7 who spat on the ground and a clay with Saliva? What would your answer be?

        If I ask according Exodus 14:15-17 who stretch out their hand over the sea and divide it? What would your answer be?

        You people need stop playing smart Quran knows how to explain clearly when anyone perform miracle by the permission of Allah, why is it so difficult when it comes to Mohamed? As we can see Quran explain God’s involvement and also prophets involvement in any Miracle.
        Then now goes to my main point and question, since we can see Mohamed’s only involvement in the Miracle of splitting the Moon is praying, are you saying because Mohamed prayed to Allah to split the moon according to hadith, that’s Mohamed performing miracle and also Are you saying if any man pray and Allah answer the prayer that means that man performs a miracle?

        Regarding Quran ( 8:17 ) that you quoted ….It was not you who killed them, it was God. And when you threw, it was not your throw but God’s, so that He could test and refine the believers, because God is All Seeing and Knowing… are you saying Mohamed throwing dust in people’s face during fight is a miracle? At least we can see his involvement in this.

        Please if you are free on Saturday, can you join the zoom?

        Quran (3:49)
        Pickthall: And will make him a messenger unto the Children of Israel, (saying): Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah’s leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah’s leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are to be believers.
        Quran (26:65)

        Pickthall: Then We inspired Moses, saying: Smite the sea with thy staff. And it parted, and each part was as a mountain vast.

        John 9:6-7
        6 When He had said these things, He spat on the ground and made clay with the saliva; and He anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay. 7 And He said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which is translated, Sent). So he went and washed, and came back seeing.

        Exodus 14:15-17
        15 And the LORD said to Moses, “Why do you cry to Me? Tell the children of Israel to go forward. 16 But lift up your rod, and stretch out your hand over the sea and divide it. And the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea. 17 And I indeed will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them. So I will gain honor over Pharaoh and over all his army, his chariots, and his horsemen.

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      4. mr.heathcliff

        “Regarding Quran ( 8:17 ) that you quoted ….It was not you who killed them, it was God. And when you threw, it was not your throw but God’s, so that He could test and refine the believers, because God is All Seeing and Knowing… are you saying Mohamed throwing dust in people’s face during fight is a miracle? At least we can see his involvement in this”

        Pagan polytheist, in polytheistic world there are high gods who delegate their power to lesser, in islamic world view God has power over everything.
        So if isa breath into something, islam will ask , “who created the breath”

        The polytheist says that power is delegated and it seems that you LEAN towards polytheistic view.

        and let me repeat what i said in the past, the quran is a revealation to muhammad

        In time or moses, God spoke to moses and revealed His instructions, do you think the quran thinks that God started narrating

        “And moses went to the sea and split it….”

        ????

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      5. mr.heathcliff

        By the permission of Allah would be seen as seeking Allahs permission…what do you think that means, polythiest….?seeking Gods permission

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      6. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        Your proposition of “we both believe in Jesus(as)” is laughable mainly do to the fact that I ONLY believe in Jesus(as) because of Islam. If you wanted me to be entirely neutral I would think your pagan mangod of the Bible was a false prophet who made up a bunch of stuff then got killed, so his followers (like Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) started making stuff up to accommodate for the awkward moment then over time stories got modified into more legendary tales.. You are coming off the premise Jesus(as) automatically becomes true now when that is not established through the Bible (quite the opposite in fact)

        Regarding your next point, the Quran is God responding to events happening during Muhammad’s(saw) time so it makes no sense for the Quran to quote a story like what you said because he(saw) is standing right there reciting it. Again basic Islam stuff here and this is why you were so easy to convert to man worship 🤦‍♂️

        As for your drivel ALL MIRACLES ARE BY GOD’S PERMISSION which is why He hammers the point home about Jesus(as) performing miracles. It’s not necessary to say it every single time. Also yes if a prophet prays and a supernatural event occurs that’s a miracle case in point Saleh’s(as) camel miracle to Thamud🤦‍♂️

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      7. Larry

        Lol Mr Stew. It’s funny the way you dance around when you don’t really know or sure of what you are saying. All miracles are done by the permission of God but not all miracles God do through prophet or just ordinary man. I broke it down for everyone one to see how God use/do miracles through a prophet. So again will you answer my question ? If a man pray just as Mohamed did and God answer the prayer does it count as the man performing miracles too? Or it has to be a specific thing you pray for , for it to be a miracle? And also Why is it that Quran made it easy when it comes to Jesus and Moses by saying they perform Miracles by the permission of Allah but with Mohamed we couldn’t find a single place ?
        Also I ask if throwing sand on someone face during a fight is a miracle you never reply me on that.

        One thing I don’t understand is why Quran says one thing but Muslims say something totally different.. we see so many verse in Quran that says Mohamed don’t have sign every time they ask him to do miracles which supports my argument but you want me to take Hadith over Quran and Quran suppose to be word or God and Hadith word of mouth.

        Pls are you coming on Saturday if not I will ask other brothers.

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      8. Loonie Larry, mindlessly repeating your idiotic assertions don’t make them correct. 😂 There is no verse that says Muhammad would have no signs. You got thrashed on this point. The verses ALL preceded the miracle of the moon splitting, and they ONLY say that the signs are with Allah, meaning that if He wills, they will come. It is NOT saying there will be no miracles at all in the future.

        And again, don’t worry about Saturday. There will be plenty of brothers there to humiliate you some more, inshaAllah. You’re a joke and your education is just beginning. 😉

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      9. Larry

        @QB I am not really happy with what happened today during the zoom meeting, You kept muting me and allowing the brothers to talk over me, I will say what you did is not fair but I guess I am a kafir anything goes lol.. anyway its all good, I am still happy for us to do it again and again. Maybe you can convince me about all the problem I have with Quran.
        During the conversation I think I was asked by one of the brothers why I believe in Jesus apart from the experience I had with holy Ghost and I mentioned there are other history books that confirms Jesus existent and you asked me for the names of the books which I promised I will send them later.

        Antiquities of the Jews by Flavius Josephus –Jewish historian and Annals by Publius Cornelius Tacitus — Roman historian.

        I am not sure if there are more out there. As you can see with didn’t just learn about Jesus Christ existent only through bible there are other source that confirms Jesus exist and some of the things that happened . So for anyone that doubt if Jesus is real or fake . Romans and Jews didn’t write the book to say people should follow Jesus. Let me also add to it, there other reasons too why I believe in Jesus such as miracles, signs and wonders etc.

        1 About some of the things I can remember for now regarding the zoom meeting, It seems Mustapha I hope I got his name right if I didn’t I apologise , it seems He said there is no where in Quran that says Mohamed performed miracles, but we can see Mohamed’s miracles in Hadith. If I am correct I hope you know this contradicts what you and Stew are saying, so which one of you is right ? Please I cant wait to get the recording so I can listen to it again.

        2 I can see how everyone of you don’t really want to go into proving Mohamed is a real Prophet and Quran is perfect as you claimed, all you want to talk about is Trinity, Bible, Paul etc which I have previously told you I am not an expert on it but I can debate you on the little I know about bible and , I really don’t get why you guys are scared to proof it to me, I told you my problem with Islam and the reason I left, everyone one of you said evil spirit spoke to me and I said proof to me that what the Evil spirit said is lies. I gave you one the flaws of Islam which proves Quran is not perfect or God’s word, Mustapha said how is it a flaw for God to explain in details what men will get in heaven but didn’t explain in details what women are getting in heaven, even though someone ask Mohamed the same question because at that time it didn’t make sense either. with my understanding Jesus is real and Mohamed is fake and Islam cant be the way to heaven. If you guys are convince that you know what you are saying then I believe you should be able to proof it. With Muslim’s understanding Jesus is sent by God not son of God, at least Muslim believe Jesus is not Fake prophet, but just because you learn it from Mohamed doesn’t mean Mohamed is real. He is not the first to try that , In the book of Acts 16:16-18 Paul narrates how a certain girl was saying these people are men of God by using evil spirit. I put it to you again Mohamed is 100% fake and Quran that Muslim claims it’s the greatest miracles has a lot of holes in it. So if you are ready to cover those holes then maybe I will l believe you are right about Evil spirit talking to me. I really don’t know why anyone should get angry about this. Did hadith not says The Messenger of God (pbuh) said to a person whose desire was to accept Islam that that God would forgive all his past sins? How can anyone accepts Islam if they have concerns about Mohamed and Quran and all you guys do is call them names, cuss them out even some people attack physically .. it seems it’s a sin for a person not to know or understand things in Islam.

        Acts 16:16-18
        16 Now it happened, as we went to prayer, that a certain slave girl possessed with a spirit of divination met us, who brought her masters much profit by fortune-telling.
        17 This girl followed Paul and us, and cried out, saying, “These men are the servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to us the way of salvation.
        18 And this she did for many days.
        But Paul, greatly [d]annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And he came out that very hour

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      10. Lol, you are a joke Larry and the brother destroyed you. Don’t whine. You couldn’t answer any questions and tended to rant for several minutes. You had to be muted.

        The fact that you are a joke is further proven by your silly appeal to Josephus and Tacitus. Do you think we’re new to this? 😂🤣 Neither Josephus not Tacitus were eyewitnesses, so they could just be repeating what they heard from Christians. Furthermore, Josephus’ account is not even authentic. It has most likely been edited by Christians. The proof for this is that guys like Origen read Josephus but didn’t mention his alleged account of Jesus. Why would they skip over it? Because it didn’t exist and later Christians made it up.

        We have already educated you on the Quran saying Muhammad performed miracles (Surah al-Qamar). You have no way to refute this.

        The funny thing is that you use the Hadith when they suit your purpose but reject them when they don’t. The Sahih hadiths are overwhelming. They state that Muhammad (pbuh) performed miracles. Get over it. 😂

        The burden of proof is not on us to prove that a demon talked to you. The burden of proof is on you to prove it was God. If you can’t prove it, then the case is closed.

        And moron, we don’t have any “concerns” about Muhammad (pbuh). Don’t project your stupidity on us. 😂 We laugh at stupid people who can’t articulate a good argument against Islam, and that is why we laugh at people like you.

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      11. Larry

        Very funny guy. when will you upload the links? I want to listen to it again before I ask you the question one more time, since you are acting as if you didn’t see what I said about the miracles.

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      12. And dummy, you didn’t make any good points about miracles. Both the Quran and hadiths mention miracles. 😂 Who should we believe? The scriptures and the scholars who interpret them, or some moron who doesn’t even know what tashahud means? 🤣😂

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      13. Larry

        What’s good bro QB? I am still waiting for the recording, hope everything is fine with you. Also pls what’s your website called? The one you said people are commenting on the video I want to see what people are saying lol

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      14. Larry

        Let me ask this questions Since Q is taking long to upload the video, I want to address the part that one of the brothers said Mohamed’s miracles are not written in Quran but we can find his miracles in Hadith which goes against what QB and Stew said regarding Mohamed performing miracles, I was going to listen to the zoom recording again to be sure of what he said before asking this questions.. Anyway

        Did Allah and His angels send blessings, Praise or pray for Mohamed? Quran 33:56
        Was Mohamed bewitched or was it mental health problem? Quran 25:8
        There are so many things that shows Quran is not from God, I don’t know why Muslims are still claiming Quran is perfect

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      15. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        1. “t’s funny the way you dance around when you don’t really know or sure of what you are saying…”

        You never asked me a question but…okay.

        2. “I broke it down for everyone one to see how God use/do miracles through a prophet…”

        Not really but…okay

        3. ” If a man pray just as Mohamed did and God answer the prayer does it count as the man performing miracles too?”

        Yes and no. In English, it would still be called a “miracle” but they’re different words in Islamic vocab. Mu‘jizah is only for prophets and Messengers while karaamah is for regular people.

        4. “..Why is it that Quran made it easy when it comes to Jesus and Moses by saying they perform Miracles by the permission of Allah but with Mohamed we couldn’t find a single place ?”

        Because he(saw) is the one reciting the verse. Why would for example I Stew say:

        “Then Stewjo004 walked in and defeated Larry’s moronic questions with with and charm”

        The Quran is responding to events happening to Muhammad(saw) so why would God recount a miracle to the audience again? Again you have basically zero knowledge of like even toddler Islam. Muhammad(saw) is standing there reciting, again not that hard to understand for people with approx 3 brain functioning cells.

        5. “…Also I ask if throwing sand on someone face during a fight is a miracle you never reply me on that.”

        It is when one handful blinds an entire army…

        6. “…we see so many verse in Quran that says Mohamed don’t have sign every time they ask him to do miracles which supports my argument…”

        No, it doesn’t. Again these verses were BEFORE he(saw) performed a miracle as has been explained to you about 5 times now,

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      16. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        1. “Antiquities of the Jews by Flavius Josephus –Jewish historian and Annals by Publius Cornelius Tacitus — Roman historian.”

        Neither one are an eyewitness and as noted by QB Josephus is also inauthentic. I go into detail of EVERY alleged reference to Jesus (as) in the first 100 years in my article here:

        The CruciFICTION Series: Part 2 – The Other Sources


        ]

        As QB was saying to you Larry this isn’t amateur hour around here, randomly googling something is not going to help you.

        2. “I can see how everyone of you don’t really want to go into proving Mohamed is a real Prophet and Quran is perfect as you claimed”

        Because it’s too broad of a topic do you want his(saw) accurate prophecies, the linguistic marvel of the Quran? You refuse to give what the criteria is for you to say someone’s a prophet so we can’t discuss that until we establish what must be proven to conclude Muhammad9saw) is a prophet

        3. ” I said proof to me that what the Evil spirit said is lies.”

        Easy Jesus(as) never said I am the truth, the life and the way as agreed uon by Christian scholarship (see 5 Gospels by the Jesus Seminar) and he(as) would NEVER call for himself to be worshiped apart from God,

        4. “..how is it a flaw for God to explain in details what men will get in heaven but didn’t explain in details what women are getting in heaven”

        A. the majority of the Quranic descriptions of heaven are general in nature (Good food, good company, nice homes, nice clothes, nice scenery etc)

        B. There is not that much “explaining in detail” the majority opinion is all the Quran does is give a general idea of the LOWEST levels of heaven while t he highest are virtually unknown to everybody except having unimaginable reward:

        Narrated Abu Huraira:

        the Prophet (ﷺ) said, “Allah said, “I have prepared for My righteous slaves (such excellent things) as no eye has ever seen, nor an ear has ever heard nor a human heart can ever think of.’ ”
        https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7498

        4 “How can anyone accepts Islam if they have concerns about Mohamed and Quran…”
        Easy when they unlike you have a sincere heart and desire to follow what’s right. Case in point if you were sincere you would say how YOU Looney Larry determine if someone is a prophet so that evidence can be shown around that standard.

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    3. “and contradict what Muslims are saying using Hadith.”

      Only the hadiths? So you still have a quandary with 54:2? What’s your issue with it? I recollect you spoke about the conjunction “if” in one of your previous comments, how does that negate 54:1?

      Even going by the verses you quoted alone there’s still no contradiction vis-à-vis the hadith due to the fact that

      1) Quranic verses have a timeline

      2) To simplify it for your tiny brain in only one sentence,

      There’s an immense distinction between “I’m not doing it at the moment” vs “I won’t/I’ll never do it”.

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      1. Larry

        If you are not busy on Saturday you can also join. I advise you travel around the world before start judging someone for not knowing what Tajwid is. If you think every Muslim knows Hadith I am sorry for you, they might have heard of it ,and also if you think every Muslim around the world knows things that you know about Islam, again I am sorry for you. I will send you link of a Ustaz that doesn’t even know his Imam lied to him when he was younger about some story in Quran until of recent someone else told him the story was wrong. Lol you people only see things from one angle,I don’t blame you, you forget not everyone speaks Arabic. Like I said if you are not busy come online on Saturday

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      2. The fact is that you are ignorant of many things, not just one or two things. So even if we believe you were a “Muslim”, you weren’t a very good one in terms of knowledge. And you’re also not very knowledgeable about Christianity either.

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      3. “If you are not busy on Saturday you can also join”

        I don’t have the patience for that, I prefer speaking with intelligent people, I applaud and admire my brothers for showing enormous patience with a dimwit like you on zoom, may God reward them

        “I advise you travel around the world before start judging someone for not knowing what Tajwid is.”.

        You can palter to Stew and QB on this because they’re yankees but not to me, I live nearer to you than you realize.

        This is not the United States or Britain, I know very well that kids in Nigeria attend madrassas at a very small age till they’re 11 or 12, by the end of it they learn lots of small surahs by heart with Tajweed. We follow the exact same system here and I started reading the Quran with proper Tajweed at the age of 7. I’m not even asking you to read at my much superior level, but considering that you’re allegedly a born Muslim from Nigeria who stayed Muslim till adulthood, it wouldn’t be hard to know lots of surahs and decent Tajweed, so prepare yourself for Saturday and I’m sure Faiz already prepared something.

        “I don’t blame you, you forget not everyone speaks Arabic”

        When did I even imply that halfwit?

        Plus don’t tell me that now you gonna come up with some *very improbable* and schmaltzy story about how you know/knew nothing about Islam ranging from reciting the Quran to knowing no basic stuff about the hadiths to not having at least some basic Tajweed, wanna take online lessons from my 7 yr old nephew? I can arrange something, he can teach you critical thinking as a gratuity too

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      4. mr.heathcliff

        “This is not the United States or Britain, I know very well that kids in Nigeria attend madrassas at a very small age till they’re 11 or 12, by the end of it they learn lots of small surahs by heart with Tajweed. We follow the exact same system here and I started reading the Quran with proper Tajweed at the age of 7.”

        Kids in uk become huffaz from very early age. There are madrassas all over the uk

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      5. @Heathcliff, Mashallah, warmth my heart to know that

        @Larry, so kids in UK are becoming
        Huffāz at a young age nowadays so what did you learn all those years in madrassa back in the day? Wouldn’t be surprised if you concoct some story about how they only taught you Alif till Ba and to read surah ikhlaas by heart and that’s it lol

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      6. mr.heathcliff

        The guy is a lying piece of shit.
        People start young kids off with short surahs here in uk , ESPECIALLY in mosques run by arabs…

        U even have quran TEACHERS visiting homes to teach.

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  33. mr.heathcliff

    Larry u filthy lying scum bag

    Paul said jesus.was.an.EMPTIED form, jebus MYTHCIST use.this as an argument about, they say paul did not know about the miracle.working synoptic jesos….

    U see u filthy kafir, jews seeketh signs…paul does not say jeebus GAVE signs, he was an EMPTIED crucified dead god and then made an “appearance in him”

    So imagine we apply your skepticism on paul

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  34. mr.heathcliff

    “So He could not perform any miracles there…And He was amazed at their unbelief. (Mark 6:4-6)”

    But pauls.jebus IS.AN.emptied form who did not.consider.equalitt with god….paul does not say jebus was intermittant empty form

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  35. Larry

    @quranandbibleblog
    The fact is that you are ignorant of many things, not just one or two things. So even if we believe you were a “Muslim”, you weren’t a very good one in terms of knowledge. And you’re also not very knowledgeable about Christianity either.

    I am ignorant of many things, but it doesn’t change the fact that Mohamed is fake and what Quran stands for is not good. Since you know everything about Quran, I am glad that you will be able to answer all my question.

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    1. 😂 You haven’t proven anything other than your ignorance. And you were refuted on every single point you brought up. Meanwhile, you have no idea how to defend the Bible.

      Oh and by the way, as I pointed out before, Muslims do not accept your fake Jesus from the Bible. This Jesus was a false prophet. The true Jesus was a prophet of God.

      In contrast to the fake Jesus of the Bible, Muhammad (pbuh) was a true prophet, who performed miracles and made true prophecies. He proved that he was a prophet from God.

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      1. Larry

        Lol anyone that reads my explanation can see how God use people to perform miracles.. we will continue again on zoom no worries

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Ibn Mumthaz

      Depends on “how” they’re trans:

      If they’re biologically “intersex” then it’s halal and comes with a variety of rulings:
      https://islamqa.info/en/answers/193236/her-outward-appearance-is-like-other-girls-but-she-does-not-have-female-organs-she-has-male-organs-what-should-she-do

      If they have a psychological condition i.e. “I’m really a man trapped ina woman’s body so I’m modifying it”, then it’s haram:
      https://islamqa.info/en/answers/34553/he-had-an-operation-to-turn-him-from-a-man-into-a-woman-sex-change-can-he-be-alone-with-women

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  36. mr.heathcliff

    “they will prophecy in my name”

    thats 2000 years of krosstians prophesising the END OF THE world, yet like jesus their predictions have been proven to be false.

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  37. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Assalaamu alaikum
    Ik this is a weird question but is cross dressing in your own home haram? Ik that resembling the opposite gender is haram but I’m wondering if it applies to the privacy of your own home. Also what is exactly the wisdom behind men having to act like men and women having to act feminine. Again weird question but just curious.
    Jazakallahu khair

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    1. “Also what is exactly the wisdom behind men having to act like men and women having to act feminine. Again weird question but just curious.
      Jazakallahu khair”

      Interesting question,

      The way I see it It boils down to 2 things

      1. The psychology of it
      2. And the order of things

      The Man is supposed to sustain
      The Woman is supposed to be sustained

      The Man is supposed to be independent
      The Woman is supposed to be dependent on the man

      This order or let’s say “structure” is how it was ordained by Allah

      Remember when in kindergarten you had to build miniature wooden houses (structure), you had to utilize glue or strings to stick or tie the thickets together, the adhesive is akin to the psychology

      The fact that men are ordained to sustain and to be independent, they ought to have the outward and most importantly the noetic characteristics of what today we *summarize* as being “manly”

      Vice versa for women

      If women starts comporting like men it will break the order, if men starts behaving like women it will break the order for example look at feminism in the west and the consequences of it, higher divorce rates over imbecilic reasons, adultery, immorality and so on and this in turn affects the children who grows up to be degenerates, it’s like a chain reaction and in the future the situation will get out of hand shaping the society

      Without adhesives (psychology/behaviour), the thickets (order) would crumble

      There’s also the issue of nature and maintaining our religion, by nature women are attracted to masculine men, strong men who can sustain himself and her kids and who can be a good role model for the boys, if men in our community starts becoming effeminate, our women will look elsewhere for the right choice because that’s her nature after all for example they will marry Christians, Jews, or pagans and they or their children might be kaffirs

      The same thing transpired with hindus in India, more and more women were marrying Muslims and converting to Islam to the point that it became extremely conspicuous

      I remember watching a hindutva guru making a speech telling hindus to stop blaming Muslim men for seducing hindu women and start asking why hindu women are prefering Muslim men, he said the hindu male population is to be incriminated for the lack of hindu to hindu marriage and dwindling of hindu population due to them being effeminate and weak compared to Muslim men…this my man is an edification to be learned, God forbid if that transpires to our community

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