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  1. Car Expert

    Question 1–> Bible promotes rape or not? For example in Numbers 31:17-18 and other verses.

    God giving punishment to David:
    In 2Samuel 12:11-12″ [11] “This is what the Lord says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep with your wives in broad daylight. [12] You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.’”

    Notice this statement -> ”Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep with your wives in broad daylight.” is this rape?

    Question 2–>A Christian claimed that they have Gospel of Jesus because Mark 1:1 says
    [KJV] The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
    [AKJV] The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
    [LEB] The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    What are your thoughts on this?

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      1. Car Expert

        You said ‘On question 1, if memory serves this was adultery.’
        I didn’t understood what you meant by this.

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      2. stewjo004

        @ Car Expert

        The verse you quoted is referring to adultery, not rape I believe. But Allah hu alim I could be wrong it’s been a while since I read it.

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      3. stewjo004

        @ ƈąཞ ɛҳ℘ɛཞɬ

        The response is so what? We use tawheed for analysis purposes of what it is to be actually monotheistic. Their concept of the “trinity” simply doesn’t exist in their text. The early writers were more align with Arianism (Jesus(as) was a pre-existent semi-divine being subservient to God) than what they’re currently preaching of being God Himself.

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  2. mr.heathcliff

    faiz, you there?
    are you going to do a video on how biblical verses have an influence of jewish terroristic and racist activities in occupied west bank?

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  3. Vaqas Rehman

    So quick question, I saw an argument between two brothers on the topic of the current understanding that we are all in essence created from stardust or stars.

    Basically modern science says that the original chemical elements of the early universe are thought to be limited to hydrogen, helium, and lithium.  All the other elements, were later formed by nuclear reactions within the cores of ancient stars. When these stars eventually exploded as supernovae, their many elements were spread far and wide throughout space.  The solar system, including the life upon planet Earth, is thought to be made of this star dust. 

    But wait doesn’t the Quran say we were created from clay from the earth and not stardust or stars?

    One brother rationalized it by saying well it doesn’t contradict the Quran since the stardust lead to the earth and we were created from that earth or clay so both can be true.

    While the other brother said that such an opinion was basically heresy and that if we were in any way created from stars Allah(S.W.T) would have mentioned it. He also brought his interpretation that the Quran says the earth was created before the heavens or space further contradicting modern science.

    The argument got pretty heated with claims backwardness and takfir being thrown around.

    Anyway I found the topic interesting and wanted to know what you guys thought of it when you have the time.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Vaqas

      The argument about”stardust” etc is not really a big deal and they’re overthinking it

      1. We are assuming this is true based on our current understanding. Even if an undeniable fact it still wouldn’t change anything which brings point 2.

      2. Allah clearly states we were created from other things such as sperm, water etc. Allah hu alim but the reference of “clay” can easily be Adam(as) as we can easily observe humans don’t form up mounds of clay to create other humans.

      3. Finally, okay creation itself forms from stardust…and? That doesn’t make something right or wrong. For example, we know multiple components humans are made of such as oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. Just because these were formed from a supernova doesn’t negate these things being the building blocks that formed us, these are the things that formed the building blocks. All that is being stated is inside the stars are the core elements of life, humans are made from the majority of these elements at a subatomic level, therefore if you go REALLY far back we in an esoteric way made from stardust. This would be no different from saying we are made from atoms. There is a lot of things that happen for life to form.

      4. Definitely not “heresy” no idea why the person said that.

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      1. Vaqas Rehman

        Walaikum assalam rahmatullahi barakatuh, while I’m mostly doing fine(going through some life changes but overall net positive) my parents could be better. If it’s not too much trouble could you make dua for their health? It’d mean a lot to me.

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  4. Supporter of Ahmad bin 'Abd-Allah peace and blessings upon him

    @Vaqas Rehman

    ” the other brother said that such an opinion was basically heresy and that if we were in any way created from stars Allah(S.W.T) would have mentioned it.”
    I found this to be a bit strange as the former brother is not saying that we are created from stars instead of clay but that the stardust lead to the earth and we were created from that earth or clay. So we are literally created from clay but star dust also is in the clay.
    Also the Qur’an is not clear about the order of creation and it doesn’t play that much of a big role. Unless we have a strong opinion from the sahaba saying so, it’s better to remain silent. Plus I heard somewhere in a Dr becky video ( who is a astronomist) that we aren’t that sure as to the age of the universe or something so it’s best to just say silent on the matter.

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    1. Vaqas Rehman

      I think the argument is that since the Quran doesn’t mention anything explicit about stardust in relation to creation and that it specifies the clay as the origin point of our miraculous birth its a kind of passive denial. At least I think thats what is being meant. Wish I could find the twitter thread I saw this in again.

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  5. Car Expert

    Can someone tell me about Aisha(r.a.) and her dolls. Christians use this to prove that she was prepubescent when she was married

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      1. Max

        A non-Muslim qouted this in defense of Gibson’s theory when I quoted a paragraph from your blog

        The paragraph I quoted–> So do the “early mosques face Petra”? To answer this question, first we need to point out that the direction of prayer, known as the qibla, is supposed to be towards the Kaaba in Mecca, not Mecca itself or any other object or place. Gibson, in his ignorance, claimed that the qibla supposedly faces the “black stone”! Naturally running with this ignorance, he claimed that the black stone must have been eventually moved from Petra to Mecca after the earthquake in the former. But this is simply not true. Muslims do not pray towards the black stone, but rather the Kaaba itself. Second, as David King points out, early Muslims simply lacked the tools to accurately point mosques toward Mecca or Petra, which explains why many do not actually point to Mecca (but also not towards Petra). King also points out that to use satellite images, which Gibson does, to determine the orientation of early mosques towards Mecca, Petra or Jerusalem is erroneous since:“…these three directions are modern values, unattainable to anyone before modern times…”
        And as for these early mosques, King is blunt: they had nothing to do with Petra! As anexample, consider the Great Mosque in Sanaa, Yemen. Using satellite images, we see the mosque points toward Petra, but as King notes:
        “…its major axis is parallel to that of the Kaaba in Makka (and it even has a miniature Kaaba inside).”
        Or consider the Umayyad Mosque in Amman, Jordan. King notes that it faces due south (from Amman) rather than towards Petra, which is southwest of Amman. The bottom-line is that Gibson’s revisionist theory is all tripe.

        Non-Muslim qouted–> sure, even when the Qibla pointed directly to petra, still its not enough? yeah sure lets ignore it… but how about other evidence? the 4 entrance to mecca? the Sik, the Taniyah, the temple of dushara, hubbal, allat etc etc? how about
        the rain water stream? how about the stone walls? how about the giant marker stones before entering the haram area? how about the stone idols and various temples for idol worship? how about the haram area said to be near
        to mediteranian sea? how about it being the center of a trade route? how about it being said to be close to ancient arab lands? archeology hv found this ancient lands in jordan not saudi arabia.how about king hussein being the
        Hashimite descendent? lets ignore all of this…
        have you watched other videos of Dan Gibson? lol he even found the well of zam zam, the pilgrimage route, all the pilgrimage areas, even the real AL AQSA gathering place was found, every other location mentioned in Hadith and
        Quran was found perfectly matching the description..everything that we know about islam was rewritten by later days rulers due to political infights among them..

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  6. Car Expert

    In Numbers 31:17-18 how did the soldiers verify that a girl (for example: a 20 years old girl) is virgin or not?

    I typed my name in Chinese language(汽车专家) but my whole comment vanished two times,why?

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  7. Assalamu alaikum,

    Yo guys, right now I’m extremely depressed mainly because I don’t know if I have committed blasphemy or not. And I’m depressed mainly because I don’t know what will happen to me in future.

    Ok, so here how it goes:

    Yesterday I found out that it is illegal to watch movies and shows mainly because it contain music, talking with spirits etc. and this bothered me as I’m not used to not watch movies and shows as it’ll mean I’ll have boring life.

    If I have committed blasphemy, can you please ask God Almighty To take me away as a Muslim!??

    My questions are:

    1. Have I committed kufr for disliking some divine laws mainly because I’m not used to follow them!?

    2. Can I ask God Almighty To take me away from worldly life so I can be saved from tribulation of worldly life!? I want to be among People of Paradise!

    3. What should I do!???

    4. Should I retake Testimony of Faith?

    5. Is this whispers of the devil!?

    P.S. Please guys, I’m worried because Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul al Wahhab stated in his book “nulifiers of Islam” that hate can nulify your religion and he quoted a verse to back up his claim, but Icdon’t remember what verse. Any case, I do NOT hate any divine law, I just have feelings of dislike because I find them difficult to follow. I swear by God I do not have heart of an Islamophobe!! And I do not want to have such kind of heart.

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  8. Car Expert

    Luke 14:26 [NIV]“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

    Can this be used against Christians?

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  9. stewjo004

    @ arshi

    Regarding the question about ahadith, it is a common thing people think Bukhari(rh) compiled them together, this is NOT true. Bukhari(rh) was a categorizer and codifier of ahadith and there were many hadith books before his collection (and yes some of them survived until today). Bukhari(rh) basically took these works and made a giant encyclopedia out of them for easy scholarly reference.

    Hadith were compiled together officially during the reign of Umar bin Abdul Aziz(rh) (but efforts were being made even before him) I’m being concise to keep it short but here’s a good read on the subject if you’re interested in it:
    https://www.academia.edu/34869673/Was_Hadith_Written_200_years_after_the_Prophet

    And just to show an example here is a hadith collection that Bukhari absorbed that was written by Abu Huraira’s(ra) student:
    https://archive.org/details/Sahifah-asSahifaTulSahiha–sahifaHammamIbnMunnabbih.p

    Now as for your question about Quran memorization and Quranic manuscripts etc. the reason the manuscripts are arbitrary (as far as Muslims are concerned) is because writing was NOT our main way of preserving the Quran (unlike say Jews or Christians with their texts). Remember the culture the Quran first came down to was oral. They really only learned to write basically for the Quran. Our main method is oral memorization. To give a basic example you yourself can understand right now you have memorized at least a bit and I’m sure if I started reciting Fatiha, for example, everyone on this forum wouldn’t mess it up. Muslims just straight-up memorized our text.

    Finally regarding the husband and wife a man could “theoretically” do this but then he has the sin of being oppressive. To use another example, we have to obey ur parents as long as they don’t order us to do sin. Our parents could “theoretically” take advantage of this but then they get the sin for abusing the right Allah has given. The reason we are given this responsibility is strictly for the purpose of leadership and we will be asked about what we did with it.

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    1. Max

      Christians invented a new way of proving trinity.
      There are 3 branches of government: the executive, the legislature,the judiciary but that doesn’t mean there are 3 government, there is one.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        to bust this up, just ask, are the 3 branches identical to one.
        if yes, then “one” has “unitarianised” the 3 branches

        if not, then “one” is existing as three non-identical branches , which makes it obvious that there is a contradiction. one and three is not the same.

        and if they say each HAS “one,”
        then u got three govs.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Max

      Isa(as) more than likely spoke Aramaic as everyday language. He might have spoken Hebrew for religious readings (but it was basically dead and only used for tis purpose so think us ENglish speaking Muslims knowing Arabic for the purpose of reciting the Quran) and maybe (and this is a big stretch) might have known a few Greek terms here and there from the Holy Land being under Greek occupation.

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  10. Max

    One more question is Neutron mentioned in Qur’an?
    A youtuber named skakvac uploaded this.

    ”Verse 18:39 Do NoT RuN away from the enemy soldiers.
    We have fullfilled the prophecy by putting consonant letters in the same order as the word NeuTRoN at correct place in the book which support the prophecy”

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  11. Max

    A conversation with a newly converted Christian.

    Ques –> I’d like to ask you another question, “If you are standing now before Jesus while being crucified on the cross, will you save him or let him die?”
    Ans–> I cannot challenger the Will of God.
    This means that you are going to leave him die! My question is very simple, “If y0u have the ability to save him, would you do so
    or not?”
    Ques–> No.
    Allah is Great! You should now have known how disbelief is disastrous! (If this is your position,) what will be the difference
    between you and those who killed him?!
    Those who claimed that they had killed him might have been confused, yet your disaster is even more serious than theirs.Disbelief is the most serious disaster ever. Ask your (true) Lord for forgiveness for ignorance and for killing Prophets and Gods! From my personal viewpoint, all the Christians are killers of gods and Prophets.

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  12. Max

    @ QB I have two questions
    1). Why Allah asked for support(in 47:7) if Allah is the most powerful?
    [Quran 47:7]O you who have believed, if you support Allah, He will support you and plant firmly your feet.

    2). How do we know that Jibreel is an angel? if Jibreel isn’t mentioned as an angel in quran?
    If Hadith mentions Jibreel as an angel why not Quran?
    If Hadith mentions Eid then why not Quran?

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      “Why Allah asked for support(in 47:7) if Allah is the most powerful?”

      what has this got to do with omnipotence?

      you “support” Allah by obeying what He revealed. If Allah willed He could force you to help Him, but He forced on you a freedom to “help” Him.You “support” Allah by liking what He revealed (47:9)

      you “help” Allah by not doing what these kuffar did :
      Sahih International: That is because they said to those who disliked what Allah sent down, “We will obey you in part of the matter.” And Allah knows what they conceal.

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    2. stewjo004

      @ Max

      1. As Mr.Heathcliff said the context is obeying what Allah said not about Him being weak.

      2. As for Jibreel it can be indirectly inferred from the Quran that he’s an angel:

      So tell them: “Whoever is an enemy to Jibreel, who by Allah’sPermission, has brought this down onto your heart, verifying what came before it, as well as be a guide and good news for the believers,” (2:97)

      So from this ayah we know Jibreel brings the Quran down. Now let’s look at what the kuffar ‘argue” about regarding the Quran being brought down:

      As for those who don’t expect to have their meeting with Me they say: “How come the angels were not sent down to us?” or “Why can’t we see our ‘Lord’?” They think way too highly of themselves and because of their pride, they are falling into grave mistakes. On the Day they do get to see the angels, there will be no good news for the guilty; they will only be saying: “Stop them from hurting me!” (25:21-22)

      3. As for what you said concerning ahadith it would be irrelevant as Islam does not claim te Qura is its only authoritative source. We can use the Quran itself to show the eary Muslim community used things other than the Quran for rulings the simplest example being the Qibla:

      …I made the qibla which you used to face, only to test, those who would follow the Messenger from those who would turn on their heels and run away… (2:143)

      Where is there another mention of another qibla in the Quran? There isn’t, Muslims knew of another Qibla because the Prophet (saw) told them about it. Most of the time Allah mentions general points and then leaves the explanation to the Prophet (saw) as Allah says:

      I didn’t send any Messenger except to be obeyed by Allah’s permission… I swear on your Lord, they have no faith until they make you, the judge in any matters that will sprout up and find no resistance in themselves to your decisions. (4:64-66)

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      1. stewjo004

        @ Max

        1. Khidr debatably was an angel following a command
        2. Boy would have grown up and caused his two parents to become kuffar and enter Hell. Allah had them killed so they would have a righteous daughter.
        3. Allah saved 3 people from Hell by doing this, the boy, the mom, and the dad. Not only that but the 3 will be reunited in Jannah.

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  13. Vaqas Rehman

    I have a question for you guys. I’m currently arguing with a Christian whose saying that the hadith of Umar(ra) saying the black stone can neither harm nor benefit is contradicted by others which say that touching it with sincerity can expiate sins and that it will testify on the day of judgement. So far I’ve arguing that the hadith of Umar(ra) is not contradicted since it is not the stone or the deed for that matter on their own that expiate sins but rather it is God. I made the comparison of an atheist doing good deeds but not getting any reward or benefit from them nor getting into paradise. My questions are, do think this is a good answer to the perceived issue with the different hadith? And also do you guys have anything to add?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Vaqas

      Your answer is solid, but I would just add:

      “The stone is just a stone the action is just a reflection of one’s piety. For example when talking about sacrifices:

      I made camels and livestock part of God’s sacred ritual for you. There is much good in them for you, so recite God’s name over them as they’re lined up for sacrifice… It’s neither their flesh nor their blood that reaches God, what reaches Him is your piety. He has subjected them to you in this way so that you can glorify God for having guided you, so give congratulations to those who do good. (22:36-37)

      Any act of worship whether prayer, charity, fasting etc is just one’s sincerity, and nothing is “magical” about those movements other than demonstrating one’s love and devotion to God.”

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      1. Max

        Quran 9:123 tells us to fight the non -muslim neighbours or non-muslim near us.
        but I read an article in Islam qa that we must respect non-muslim neighbours

        Clarify this plz

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      2. Read the whole surah, starting from verse 1. It is talking about the Arab pagans who had broken the treaty of Hudaybiyah. At that point, they had no choice but to convert to Islam or die. This applied only to them.

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      3. Max

        another question arises that someone may ask Allah could have made the child righteous?

        why allowed khidr to kill the boy?

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      4. Once again, it was an exception to teach a moral lesson.

        Allah does what He wills. It is not our place to suggest that He “could” have done something else.

        Plus, if He “made the child righteous”, that would take away from the free will aspect. He could make all of us righteous but He has given us the choice to follow Him or to follow Satan.

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      5. stewjo004

        @ Vaqas

        It’s not a stupid question, yes all good deeds are acts of worship. Worship though takes a variety of forms in Islam besides rituals so for example, suppressing one’s anger when they could’ve acted upon it is worship because you are doing it for the pleasure of God.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Max

      The context of this surah is about politics not interpersonal relationships. The context is Allah was commanding the Prphet(saw) and the Muslims to fight the Arab pagans and then the Romans etc. From ibn Kathir(rh):

      Allah commands the believers to fight the disbelievers, the closest in area to the Islamic state, then the farthest. This is why the Messenger of Allah started fighting the idolators in the Arabian Peninsula. When he finished with them and Allah gave him control over Makkah, Al-Madinah, At-Ta’if, Yemen, Yamamah, Hajr, Khaybar, Hadramawt and other Arab provinces, and the various Arab tribes entered Islam in large crowds, he then started fighting the People of the Scriptures. He began preparations to fight the Romans who were the closest in area to the Arabian Peninsula, and as such, had the most right to be called to Islam, especially since they were from the People of the Scriptures. The Prophet marched until he reached Tabuk and went back because of the extreme hardship, little rain and little supplies. This battle occurred on the ninth year after his Hijrah. In the tenth year, the Messenger of Allah was busy with the Farewell Hajj. The Messenger died eighty-one days after he returned from that Hajj, Allah chose him for what He had prepared for him (in Paradise). After his death, his executor, friend, and Khalifah, Abu Bakr As-Siddiq, may Allah be pleased with him, became the leader. At that time, the religion came under attack and would have been defeated, if it had not been for the fact that Allah gave the religion firmness through Abu Bakr, who established its basis and made its foundations firm. He brought those who strayed from the religion back to it, and made those who reverted from Islam return. He took the Zakah from the evil people who did not want to pay it, and explained the truth to those who were unaware of it. On behalf of the Prophet , Abu Bakr delivered what he was entrusted with. Then, he started preparing the Islamic armies to fight the Roman cross worshippers, and the Persian fire worshippers. By the blessing of his mission, Allah opened the lands for him and brought down Caesar and Kisra and those who obeyed them among the servants. Abu Bakr spent their treasures in the cause of Allah, just as the Messenger of Allah had foretold would happen. This mission continued after Abu Bakr at the hands of he whom Abu Bakr chose to be his successor, Al-Faruq, the Martyr of the Mihrab, Abu Hafs, `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him. With `Umar, Allah humiliated the disbelievers, suppressed the tyrants and hypocrites, and opened the eastern and western parts of the world. The treasures of various countries were brought to `Umar from near and far provinces, and he divided them according to the legitimate and accepted method. `Umar then died as a martyr after he lived a praise worthy life. Then, the Companions among the Muhajirin and Ansar agreed to chose after `Umar, `Uthman bin `Affan, Leader of the faithful and Martyr of the House, may Allah be pleased with him. During `Uthman’s reign, Islam wore its widest garment and Allah’s unequivocal proof was established in various parts of the world over the necks of the servants. Islam appeared in the eastern and western parts of the world and Allah’s Word was elevated and His religion apparent. The pure religion reached its deepest aims against Allah’s enemies, and whenever Muslims overcame an Ummah, they moved to the next one, and then the next one, crushing the tyrannical evil doers. They did this in reverence to Allah’s statement,

      ﴿ يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ قَـٰتِلُواْ ٱلَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُم مِّنَ ٱلۡڪُفَّارِ ﴾
      (O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you,)
      http://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-At-Taubah/The-Order-for-Jihad-against-th—

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  14. Max

    Plz clarify this on Quran 68:1
    I was watching Adnan Rashid vs Gary on the topic ‘Earth on whale’s back’
    Adnan told that ‘Noon waw Noon’ means Whale in Arabic but when I searched I found that this –> حوت means whale not نون

    Also if Quran mentions نٓ and not نون then from where this argument came?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Max

      1. Without seeing the video I assume Adnan Rashid was referring to Q. 21:87 containing نون for whale. As for where the argument came Allah hu alim but my brief search was a saying from Ibn Abbas(ra) but even if this is true he said this it is not binding on Muslims to take his opinion as evidence.

      2. Yes Allah could have done that but..who is he? What makes him think Allah is obliged to ever speak to him in the first place? This is not proof of Islam being false and I can easily flip the question around, when did any of his Hindu idols ever do this? All this shows is not only is he stupid but arrogant in thinking Allah has to do anything for him as he is the one who was created not Allah.

      #kuffarareretarded

      3. Allah hu alim but from my limited knowledge they were not in Jannah (no one is in there yet) they were in the heavens/barzakh.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        yo stew, did you see the scholarly quotes which i cnp about growing consensus that acts is late 2nd century doc?

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      2. stewjo004

        @ mr.heathcliff

        I browsed them but honestly, even their best-case scenario of 70 is horrible as they don’t know who wrote it.

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  15. Max

    A hindu said ” to reply to your first remark if Allah can create a universe, and a pen without a surface to write then he can aslo relay his revelations Directly to me instead to sending it to some random arab who lived 1400 years before my time. the fact that he didn’t do that is the evidence islam is false.”

    From pen he referred to Quran 68:1

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      1. Max

        How to refute these statements of hindus?

        The concept of time and creation is explained in detail in vedas and mentions that the world is more than a million years old, which is accepted by science. Hindu religion is basically the study of the universe and nature,and understanding them, while it realises that there is a supreme Brahman which is controlling the universe. Hindus festivals, ceremonies and every day routine is
        connected to the universe, the sun, moon, the stars etc.,The world needs the Hindu knowledge to connect and understand the universe

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      2. The world is more than a “million years old”? If the Hindus claim it’s close enough, they are ignorant.

        The earth is at least 4.5 BILLION years old. And the universe is at least 13 BILLION years old. So no, the Vedas are wrong.

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      3. Caliph ibn mumthaz

        @Max
        Theres like a million other crap that Hinduism gets wrong that it doesn’t matter if the vedas contain scientific information. That’s assuming if those claims of scientific accuracy is even sound.

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      4. “the world is more than a million years old,”

        Just for the sake of accurary, It *doesn’t*, it simply says we cannot know it but it does point to a long unspecified time in the past…it could be 100000, 500000, 800000 before vedas as well

        Even if it did it would be wrong, and again even if it did then how do we know it wasn’t edited during during the 1st-5th century considering the extremely poor textual and oral traditions of the vedas as well as its history of interpolations? Calculations of Indian astronomers ranged from millions to billions of years (4 billions or close afaik) between those centuries sooooo….

        “The concept of time and creation is explained in detail”.

        “Detail” lol

        “Hindu religion is basically the study of the universe and nature”

        K

        “and understanding them”

        K

        “while it realises that there is a supreme Brahman which is controlling the universe.”.

        I agree, so do the Abrahamic religions

        “Hindus festivals, ceremonies and every day routine is
        connected to the universe, the sun, moon, the stars etc.”

        So?

        “The world needs the Hindu knowledge to connect and understand the universe”

        NASA and CERN should take note…jokes aside, whatever man

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      5. Max

        bro I wanna know about Purusha shukta and its realtion to vedas and caste system.

        Caste system in Mahabharat and Ramayana

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      6. I’ll just speak from what I already know…too lazy to do any research rn

        The Purusha Sukta is from the Rig Veda, It shows that castes are preordained and assigned

        “12 The Brahman was his mouth, of both his arms was the Rājanya made.
        His thighs became the Vaiśya, from his feet the Śūdra was produced”

        https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10090.htm

        “Caste system in Mahabharat and Ramayana”

        There are 2 examples I can think of rn, Shambuka and Karna…

        Basically in Ramayana Shambuka was slain by Rama for doing a Tapasya forbidden for Śūdras

        As for Mahabharata, Karna wasn’t allowed to learn warriorship because he was of lower caste (though he did learn by crook)

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    1. stewjo004

      @ mr.heathclifff

      There’s a lot to that but there are some you wouldn’t be able to tell now unless you knew things like men’s ring fingers are generally always bigger than their index etc.

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  16. ƈąཞ ɛҳ℘ɛཞɬ

    Prophet Muhammad(saw) in Isaiah 29:12 ?

    Isaiah 29:12 “The book shall be given to him who is not learned .And when it is said ‘read’ he shall answer ‘I am not learned’.

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  17. Max

    I have a question.
    Why at some places in Quran context of one verse of one surah is found in another verse of another surah or many verses after that particular verse?
    For example–> let us use [Quran 8:12] [Quran 8:61] and [Quran 2:190]
    [Quran 8:12] ‘Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”
    Here one can say that this is talking about all disbelievers but when a muslim responds by saying quoting [Quran 2:190] and [Quran 8:61] then that critic may point out that these two verses are very far from 8:12 so how can you say that 8:12 isn’t talking about killing innocents? or how can you take the context from verses which from another chapter?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Max

      The response is when trying to find out the context to an author’s statement you have to look at other places where they speak on the same subject. Also one finds the context by knowing the bio of the Prophet(saw) and what was going on in Arabia at the time. However, this wouldn’t even be necessary for the verses quoted:

      8:12 isn’t even a command to Muslims, to begin with (emphasis mine)
      :

      YOUR LORD INSPIRED THE ANGELS: “I am with you so keep those who believe firm. I will soon cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike their heads and fingertips!” (8:12)

      Are Muslims angels now? The context if one reads the actual Surah is Allah commenting about what happened after the battle of Badr when Allah sent the angels to help the Muslims and that the Muslims had no right to be arguing now about war spoils when it is Allah who actually defeated the enemy side.

      Next 8:61 is in the SAME surah so how is it “far away”? That point doesn’t even make sense.

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  18. Max

    This is a very famous argument: “When Muslims are in Minority they care about minority rights and oppression against minority but when they are in majority they don’t care about minority rights”
    Another famous one–> ” When Muslims are in minority they want Secularism and democracy but when they are in majority the want Shariah.”

    What should be the response against this?

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    1. MISHAL

      Hey guys i need some advice.
      Ive been recently caught by my parents of using twitter to talk to some brothers and to clear some doubts. They thought that the ppl who ive been talking to are extremists and are trying to get money out of me even tho for certain they are not. This is mostly due to poor communication on my part tbh. The ppl are not trying to get money out of me and are sincere in their faith. Ive been caught before using this site and they thought the same. My step mom ( may Allah forgive her) said that you and the brothers on twitter are not actual muslims and are instead extremists or secret christians sowing doubts. She even condemned marrying minors even thpugh its been practiced by the prophet peace and blessings upon him and the salaf as well. I tried to argue that i had doubts and stuff but they argued back that you guys cant be trusted. They said i shouldve asked my father and my relatives instead of strangers. I didnt before even as i thpught that they might steer me in the wrong direction in the sense of sugarcoating the religion,etc. I am for certain if i hadnt come out to you guys i wouldve apostated at some point but Allah hu alim. How do i deal with this?

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      1. stewjo004

        @ Mishal

        The simple response is one we have never asked for money from you and two we have never told you to commit an act of violence so how are we, scammers or extremists?

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    2. stewjo004

      @ Max

      Response one is this pers that is apparently speaking for every Muslim now? We fundamentally do not and never will agree with secularism however according to the rules and values that you created you’re doing an injustice simple as. Likewise, every Muslim always wants to live by the rules God has commanded us to live by whether a minority or the majority

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  19. Max

    A kuffar said this can you clarify this for me because I do not know much about Islamic history.

    ”Saying that the Meccans attacked the poor little Muslims at Badr! What were the 300 Muslims doing at Badr in the first place? They had gone to ambush Abu Sufyan’s caravan. If Muhammad had fled to Medina and stayed there peacefully preaching his new religion, Badr and all the other terrible battles and revenge attacks would never have happened.”

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      @max
      “They had gone to ambush Abu Sufyan’s caravan.”
      From what I heard the caravan contained property that belonged to the Muslims so its essentially them trying to get their stuff from being sold.
      “If Muhammad had fled to Medina and stayed there peacefully preaching his new religion, Badr and all the other terrible battles and revenge attacks would never have happened.”
      This is utter bs as he our master peace and blessings upon him had preached peacefully in Makkah for 13 years yet the mushriks kept persisting in their persecution and killed many Muslims. So the “terrible battles and revenge attacks” are justified. Furthermore if we’re not for these battles, Islam would’ve had spread as far as it did. Plus its necessary so that God’s religion would prevail over other religion’s which would be effectively done through war. Yo stew, what do you think of this response? Also what are your thoughts on the video I posted?

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      1. stewjo004

        @ ibn Mumthaz

        As for the video some random kaffir who more than likely doesn’t know what he’s talking about as he pretends to for an hour.

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    2. stewjo004

      @ Max

      Or just throwing this out here had the Meccans not tortured and oppressed Muslims who were preaching peacefully 13 years prior the Battle of Badr would have never happened?

      Also, to show my point about kuffar being retarded Muslims did leave to other places to live peacefully like Abyssinia and the Meccans followed them there and tried to get them returned back to Arabia.

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  20. Max

    What will happen to non-muslims who aren’t paying jizyah?

    I got a different interpretation of Quran 9:5 on Islam qa website
    https://islamqa.info/en/answers/34770/there-is-no-compulsion-to-accept-islam

    Plz tell me about Jizyah in detail. For example who are allowed to pay and who aren’t allowed to pay, what will happen if they aren’t allowed to pay?

    And one more thing can you explain this plz (from Islam qa)
    ”Some of the scholars are of the view that others may also be given the choice between Islam and jizyah, but the most correct view is that no others should be given this choice, rather these three groups are the only ones who may be given the choice, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) fought the kuffaar in the Arabian Peninsula and he only accepted their becoming Muslim. And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “But if they repent [by rejecting Shirk (polytheism) and accept Islamic Monotheism] and perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”

    [al-Tawbah 9:5]

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Max

      For one QB did a whole article series on jizyah:

      The “Temple” of Ignorance: A Response to Ken Temple on Dhimmis, Jizyah, and Islam – Part I

      Next, a lot of people are exempt from jizyah:

      1. Women and children
      2. Handicapped, blind or old men, even if they are rich
      3. A chronically ill man even if he is rich
      4. The needy and insane
      5. Day laborers, servants or wageworkers
      6. Monks, nuns, rabbis etc.
      7. If a non-Muslim voluntarily participates in military service for the country.
      8. If the state becomes unable to protect its non-Muslim citizens

      As for what happens just for the quick point they can’t be tortured
      It has been narrated that Hisham bin Hakim bin Hizam (May Allah be pleased with them) happened to pass by some (non-Arab) farmers of Syria who had been made to stand in the sun, and olive oil was poured on their heads. He said:
      “What is the matter?” He was told that they had been detained for the non-payment of Jizyah. (Another narration says that they were being tortured for not having paid Al-Kharaj). Thereupon Hisham said: “I bear testimony to the fact that I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) saying, ‘Allah will torment those who torment people in the world.”‘ Then he proceeded towards their Amir and reported this Hadith to him. The Amir then issued orders for their release.
      https://sunnah.com/riyadussalihin:1606

      It is up to the amir but more than likely in a modern context probably pt in jail for tax evasion

      Finally, while this opinion does exist it wasn’t practiced historically because quite frankly its impractical.

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      1. Max

        In Quran it is mentioned ‘if you kill one you kill whole humanity if you save one you save whole humanity’ how can we use this if this was ordered to Children of Israel 3000 years ago?

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      2. stewjo004

        @ Max

        Anything ordered for a previous nation that Allah mentions is applicable to us for example Allah in Surah Baqarah chastises the Jews for their excessive questioning in the Golden Calf incident. Allah then says in Baqarah to us:

        Or ˹is it that˺ you wish to question your Messenger like Moses was questioned before? Anyone, who trades faith for disbelief, has strayed from the evenness of the path.(2:108)

        The point of mentioning the Jews’ mistakes is also so that our nation doesn’t fall into them. Allah mentioned this point because the Jews used to go overboard in killing (as QB’s new video shows)

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  21. Max

    @QB
    A kuffar said Quranic account of Noah floo d was Global because Noah’s Arc rested on Mt.Jude w hich is 2000 meters long.

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  22. Max

    @Qʙ ᴀ ᴋᴜꜰꜰᴀʀ ꜱᴀɪᴅ Qᴜʀᴀɴɪᴄ ᴀᴄᴄᴏᴜɴᴛ ᴏꜰ ɴᴏᴀʜ ꜰʟᴏᴏᴅ ᴡᴀꜱ ɢʟᴏʙᴀʟ ʙᴇᴄᴀᴜꜱᴇ ɴᴏᴀʜ’ꜱ ᴀʀᴄ ʀᴇꜱᴛᴇᴅ ᴏɴ ᴍᴛ.ᴊᴜᴅᴇ ᴡʜɪᴄʜ ɪꜱ 2000 ᴍᴇᴛᴇʀꜱ ʟᴏɴɢ.

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  23. Max

    lol fonts 😂

    QB A kuffar said Quranic account of Noah flood was Global because Noah’s Arc rested on Mt.Jude which is 2000 meters long.

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  24. Max

    lol fonts 😂

    QB A kuffar said Quranic account of Noah flood was Global because Noah’s Arc rested on Mt.Jude which is 2000 meters long. .

    on internet the Elevation of Mt.Judi is 2,089 m

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  25. Max

    Does anyone know who is James Joyce? A non-muslim said he produced a verse similar to Quran.

    I don’t know about this , does anyone know about this?

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  26. Max

    Brother a non-muslim said that QURANIC ACCOUNT OF NOAHIDE FLOOD WAS GLOBAL and he said

    “[But] he said, “I will take refuge on a mountain to protect me from the water” [Noah] said, “There is no protector today from the decree of Allah, except for whom He gives mercy” And the waves came between them, and he was among the drowned:40]
    So not even a mountain can protect some one from a
    Localised’ flood… ?
    Think about it, seriously. the volume of water required to ensure some one couldn’t be protected from a flood on a mountain (this means the flood waters would have to exceed the mountain top) could never be a localised flood, the volume of water required to exceed the mountain top would automatically qualify it as a global event..

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Max

      To begin you should really stop listening to kuffar as all it does is cause doubts for in your mind. Next, even though the global position exists among scholars none of these arguments refute anything:

      1. The ayah does not say the Ark rested on top of the mountain so the point on 2,000 meters is irrelevant. For example, many people died on Mount Everest that does not mean they reached the top of Mount Everest.

      2. Notice a wave killed Nuh’s(as) son, not the floodwater encompassing the mountain

      QB wrote an article on this already:
      https://quranandbibleblog.com/2014/01/15/noah-and-the-flood-in-the-bible-and-the-quran/

      3. Finally James Joyce was a writer who wasn’t even doing the challenge. He made a book called Finnegans Wake where he just alludes to different religious texts using bad wordplay. It had horrible reviews when first published and barely even counts as a novel.

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      1. Max

        Dr.Zakir Naik says ”If I get 2 books one in favour of Quran and other one against Quran, then I will read the one which is against Quran”
        Bro,I think we must listen to their arguments because if we won’t listen and refute then how will we tell them Islam is true?
        For example–> If we will tell about preservation of Quran to a non-Muslim and if he has some questions then how will we answer them? if he/she quotes Jay Smith’s arguments then?

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      2. Max

        bro I was reading Surah Hud

        [Quran 11:42]And it sailed with them amid waves like mountains, and Noah cried unto his son – and he was standing aloof – O my son! Come ride with us, and be not with the disbelievers.

        Bro why does it mention ‘waves like mountains’ ? if waves are like mountains then they can become Tsunami.

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      3. stewjo004

        @ Max

        Several points:

        1. The average non-Muslim is not reading Jay Smith don’t get these kuffar confused with the average non-Muslim walking around. People in Jay Smith’s camp don’t care if they’re refuted it is a “sport’s team” mentality (aka asabiyyah) where you’re some foreigner trying to destroy their nation. The average non-Muslim may ask very briefly how do you know it was preserved and you just say we memorize it and keep t moving.

        2. Regarding Dr. Zakir Naik’s statement that’s after you have a solid foundation in knowledge established.

        3. I can easily just say the waves towering like mountains is poetic license.

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      1. Max

        Bro I have 2 questions:

        1–> If humans evolved from monkeys then why are monkeys present today?
        2–> Are Britishers responsible for Caste system in India?

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      2. Max

        Assalamualikum

        Bro where can I get information about mistakes,contradictions and Illogical teachings of Gita

        Can you comment on cycle of birth in hinduism and why it is illogical?

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      3. “Assalamualikum”

        Walaikumsalam wa rahmatullah dear

        “Bro where can I get information about mistakes,contradictions and Illogical teachings of Gita”

        Dunno, don’t care, the whole premise itself is flawed

        Don’t even bother with gita till they don’t answer the questions we have about the vedas

        “Can you comment on cycle of birth in hinduism and why it is illogical?”

        Sometimes someone can be reborn as a poor man deemed to suffer due to his misdeeds in his past life, that’s some flawed justice and unfair due to the fact that technically he’s a new person with no memories of what he did in his past life and above all with his new consciousness he may even find all those misdeeds as repugnant…I mean it speaks for itself too tired to elaborate

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      4. “Are Britishers responsible for Caste system in India?”

        No, and why are you asking when the texts speaks for themselves? (i hope you read my previous comments)

        “If humans evolved from monkeys then why are monkeys present today?”

        *apes

        If you wanna disprove evolution then that’s a bad argument, google Homini and also how the theory works

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      5. stewjo004

        @ Max

        Regarding Evolution, it doesn’t say monkeys turned into humans. To DRASTICALLY simplify what’s being stated (and I’m sure QB will be appalled):

        All living things have a starting point that branched into various things. So, for example, a dolphin, human and crocodile if you go back millions or billions of years are related somehow some way even though they are nowhere close to what that original thing was nowadays. For humans, the creature that shares our closest ancestor is a chimpanzee. We aren’t chimpanzees but a creature that is both of our and a chimpanzee’s ancestors branched into 2 different paths; one that would eventually create modern chimpanzees and one that would create modern humans.

        So for simplicity purposes think this:

        When it actuality it’s more like this:

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      6. “Monkeys turned into humans?! What the hell?”

        We have them here we call them Hindutvas, they still have some monkey DNA that’s why I’m in a bad mood today just got into a spat with one

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      7. “Are Britishers responsible for Caste system in India?”

        First of all the texts themselves are enough to prove it was implemented before christ

        Then we have Jain and buddhist texts attesting the same

        We also have proofs from greek historians who explored the region

        The claim about the british is a well known propaganda

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  27. Larry

    If there is only way that leads to Heaven.. then its obvious that is either Through Christianity which means accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour Or Through Islam Teachings which means
    accepting Mohamed as a prophet of God and Quran follows all its teachings. My Question goes to Muslims WHY do you always talk about things Like. Show me where Jesus say worship me, Bible is
    contradicting and Manipulating ..Bible is not the word of God instead of Proving that Mohamed is not a fake prophet? We christiands Understands bible very well and all you say about Bible and
    Christianity will not matter if Truly the only way is trough Jesus .Bear in mind the only reason why Christians are refusing to become Muslim
    is we all belive Mohamed is not a prophet and Jesus never spoke about him.. I belive the moment you can proof that to any christian they will beocme Muslim instead of trying to force lies
    and spreading rumors about Bible and Christianity to proof your point. Please can any one proof Mohamed is a true prophet of God?

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    1. Max

      Lol why you have problem with Muslims asking about Jesus being god?

      It is your core doctrine that Jesus is God and we have full right to ask you where in the bible Jesus said that ‘I am god’ or ‘worship me’. It is like asking where in the Quran Allah said that he is one?

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    2. Max

      This is your core belief that Jesus is god and we have full right to ask that where in the bible Jesus said that ‘I am god’ or ‘worship me’.

      It is like asking muslims ‘where in the Quran Allah said that he is one’?

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      1. Larry

        Max,
        You are missing the point.. I used to be a Muslim so I know how Muslims argue when it comes to Christianity…My message is not for scoring points that is what most Muslims do all the time…its for finding out what is truth regarding the Only way that leads to Heaven…..John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.. meaning Jesus said he is the only way… I asked if you can proof to me that Mohamed is a prophet you said He is mentioned in bible Isaiah 42…That is old testament that scripture that you are referring to is way before Jesus said what he said in John 14:6…Since you comfortable quoting Bible which some Muslims have problem doing.. can you tell me if Jesus talked about Mohamed I don’t want to argue with you about Isaiah… Can you also tell me if you believe some or all the words in the bible are word of God.. at least every Muslims believe Jesus Christ is sent by God that means we cant question if He is real or fake but Christians don’t believe Mohamed is a true prophet .. so make it easy for anyone from any other religion apart from Islam to understand why you believe and sure Mohamed is a true prophet of God ….. before Jesus christ came people read about him in Torah.. A lot of Prophets talked about his coming I hope you are getting why I said no need for bashing bible just lecture or proof how you know and sure Mohamed is a real prophet not because you were born a Muslim

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      1. Larry

        Sorry I don’t Believe in Quran.. simply because I don’t believe in Mohamed ….I need to know Mohamed is a true prophet before I can believe anything He says..

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      1. Larry

        Isaiah was talking about Jesus not Mohamed… So let say we agree and disagree on that… Did Jesus talked about Mohamed? … At least it safe to say Jesus would know if Mohamed was to come after him…and Do you believe the Whole Bible is a word of God or some part?

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    3. stewjo004

      @ Larry

      1. Christians have an extremely poor understanding of the Bible
      2.Nothing mentioned on this site is a lie it is ridiculously easy to show forgeries in the Biblical text.
      3. Just doing that alone proves a point for Islam as God said you corrupted His Scriptures and thus proves Muhammad(saw) told the truth.
      4. Even then not necessary as he9saw0 can still be proven as a prophet but before starting that process pick your criteria.

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      1. Larry

        @ Stewjo004

        Do you claim to know bible and understand it better than Christians? Muslims attack Bible in other to find a way to say Mohamed is a true prophet… I don’t do all those back and fort Bible is Corrupted then the other fellow will say Quran supports terrorism … If Jesus is the way whatever anyone says about Bible doesn’t matter same goes for Islam if Mohamed is a true Prophet whatever anyone says or thinks about Quran doesn’t Matter do you agree with me on that?

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      2. stewjo004

        @ Larry

        I absolutely claim to know the Bible better than the average Christian not even the slightest bit of doubt in my mind. Most Christians don’t read the text, the few who do hear it mostly on Sunday from a pastor misquoting things out of context and past that (and this is a big maybe) do extra study on Wednesday with their Church depending on denomination.

        Moving on no I do not agree with you for a multitude of reasons:

        1. Jesus(as) was the correct path for the Jews to follow at his time period. This does not change the fact that people attributed statements to him that he did not say.

        2. It is not a matter of “what anyone says” it is verifiable objective evidence that the text has been changed. Why on God’s green earth would I place my afterlife in a text that is clearly altered?

        3. You haven’t stated your criteria for prophethood.

        4. You said you were a Muslim before being a Christian, that’s…interesting. How did you end up going down the path of worshiping a human?

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      3. Larry

        @ stewjo004

        Lol you replied like a true Muslim.. how can you say you didn’t agree lol do you think I said you should agree with me that Jesus is God?Read the msg again. I said IF Jesus is the way then it doesn’t matter what people says about bible same goes for Islam IF Mohamed was a true prophet… so you mean if God can appear to you today and say Christianity is the right way you will still argue with God about bible? What people think about Bible will still Matter to you ? Don’t forget I put IF

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      4. stewjo004

        @ Larry

        1. “…you replied like a true Muslim…”

        I love how you believe this is an insult to me…

        2. “…how can you say you didn’t agree…”

        Easy because your premise was illogical…

        3. “…I said IF Jesus is the way then it doesn’t matter what people says about bible…”

        No, it doesn’t. Let’s say hypothetically worshipping a demigod was correct, that still doesn’t mean the text wasn’t corrupted. They are two separate issues. When you combine this with early 1st century Christian sects from Jerusalem like Ebionites NOT worshipping him this adds more credibility issues.

        4. “…so you mean if God can appear to you today and say Christianity is the right way you will still argue with God about bible?”

        He wouldn’t say that as that would be wrong and He dosn’t say incorrect things.

        5. “…What people think about Bible will still Matter to you ?”
        Again this is NOT a “thinking” thing. it is clear objective evidence that is KNOWN by ANY respectable Biblical scholarship. Case in point:

        A. Stitching stories together:
        https://biologos.org/articles/israels-two-creation-stories/

        B. Forged tales:
        https://www.gotquestions.org/John-7-53-8-11.html
        https://www.gotquestions.org/Mark-16-9-20.html

        Notice I didn’t go grab some Christian bashing website. It’s just Biblical scholars going: “Yep just some made-up stuff”

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      5. @Stew, mind if I join? I’m bored

        @Larry

        “so you mean if God can appear to you today and say Christianity is the right way you will still argue with God about bible?”

        That kind of reasoning is self-defeating, that would mean god is *incompetent* for making a religion that can’t be rationally proved except by some miracle.

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      6. Larry

        @ stewjo004

        When I said you replied like a true Muslim I wasn’t trying to insult you at all.. You replied like the way Most Muslims I know some people are not sure if they are Muslim or not… You said the premise I used is illogical, To me its logical because Christians don’t have problem with bible Muslims do.. Christian Populations is over 2billion and we all use bible.. you can say Catholic bible is different to this and that but One thing for sure is I am a Pentecostal Christian and we all use the same Bible and I Cant talk for other Denomination and as you know in Islam you have so groups that don’t agree with others even though you are using the same Quran. So I am only talking as A Pentecostal Christian when I say If Jesus is the way what people say about bible doesn’t matter since we don’t have problem with it and I said same goes for Islam if Mohamed is a true prophet what people say about him and Quran will not matter .. The only problem is how do we know which is the true WAY to Heaven.

        No, it doesn’t. Let’s say hypothetically worshipping a demigod was correct, that still doesn’t mean the text wasn’t corrupted. They are two separate issues. When you combine this with early 1st century Christian sects from Jerusalem like Ebionites NOT worshipping him this adds more credibility issues
        To you the word is corrupted to me No it is not but for now I want to focus on if Jesus is the way or Mohamed and Quran.. If there is a mistake in bible God can correct me when I am reading it.

        He wouldn’t say that as that would be wrong and He dosn’t say incorrect things.
        I never said He would say.. I said so you mean if God can appear to you today and say Christianity is the right way you will still argue with God about bible..
        All I want to know is IF this happen will you still argue or accept.. it’s a simple question I don’t know why its hard to answer. So please I am not saying it will happen or it will not happen. I will be glad if you can answer please.

        Again this is NOT a “thinking” thing. it is clear objective evidence that is KNOWN by ANY respectable Biblical scholarship. Case in point

        That is what they think evidence can be wrong.. thess scholars you said they know bible is corrupted and manipulated whatever people say did they convert to Islam? To me it doesn’t make sense if they know and still remain Christians ..See this is exactly what I am trying to say that some things doesn’t matter if with all their knowing they still remaining Christians to me it goes to show they think they know but they don’t .. for example say you meet someone that dress like a woman you started talking to her and you fall in love with her then someone come and say I have evidence that shows this person is actually a man and their evidence is they strip that person clamming to be a woman naked and you can see for yourself that the person is actually a man ..will you still continue after what you know?
        Only thing that matters is to know the ONLY WAY to heaven Surely there might be some bumps on the way like all this questions about bible and Mohamed and Quran but it doesn’t mean if Jesus is the way and the book that associate with him is bible and some people think its corrupted you will not get to destination same goes for Mohamed and Quran… So far you follow the true Way and do good you will surely get to your destination .. I am sure you will agree with me Christianity and Islam are two different ways that cannot leads to the same destination. If there is a corruption or whatever in the bible it doesn’t change the fact to me that Jesus is the Way to Father with everything I read and what Holy spirit reveal to me, also God is able to guide any Christians reading bible. If you say the part that says Jesus is the way to God is corrupted I say to you show me how you know, then you will say Quran said so then I will say I don’t believe Mohamed is a true prophet so I cant believe Quran but if you can proof to me that Mohamed is a true prophet then I will believe Quran. Do you see where I am going ? Can you proof to me that Mohamed is a true prophet of God? Did Jesus talked about him?

        Also, need to have your criteria for prophethood.

        I am not God that gives criteria but I will say this Did Jesus talked about Mohamed? at least we both know Jesus is not fake and also we knew about Jesus before he came .

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    4. @Larry

      “WHY do you always talk about things Like. Show me where Jesus say worship me, Bible is
      contradicting and Manipulating ..Bible is not the word of God”

      Why are you even asking when you said this

      “If there is only way that leads to Heaven.. then its obvious that is either Through Christianity which means accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour Or Through Islam Teachings which means
      accepting Mohamed as a prophet of God and Quran follows all its teachings”

      Why bother about which methodology we use and why do you have a problem with the one we’re using when as per your statement and reasoning it will lead to Islam by default

      If we prove Christianity is wrong, it leads to Islam

      If prove Muhammad PBUH is a Prophet, it leads to Islam

      So why the problem?

      1+1=2

      4÷2=2

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      1. Larry

        @ Asura Warlord

        Its funny you said Why I bother about which methodology Muslims use and why do I have a problem with the one You are using… You and I should be after only one thing TRUTH this is way bigger than Religion .. so to answer your question I have problem with your way because its Manipulating … confusing and not transparent …. If you read bible you will see When Jesus came He did not Bash Judaism even though he did not agree with everything they were doing at the time.. He never force anyone to accept him ,He proof himself to be the Messiah they were expecting. And after he was gone His disciples didn’t bash Judaism either or Torah..
        Do you care about Truth or you are doing this probably because you were born a Muslim?

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      2. Alright so what do we have here

        “Its funny you said Why I bother about which methodology Muslims use and why do I have a problem with the one You are using… You and I should be after only one thing TRUTH this is way bigger than Religion”

        Refer to my question at the end

        “so to answer your question I have problem with your way because its Manipulating … **confusing** and not transparent”

        Maybe you need a higher IQ 🙂

        “Manipulating” “not transparent”

        Elaborate

        Do something productive to test your theory, bring one article from this blog then we can discuss

        “Do you care about Truth or you are doing this probably because you were born a Muslim?”

        Are you asking this after seeing my post history?

        Alright so I have one question for you, should I still follow the bible even if it is unreliable just because some voice spoke to me that “Jesus is the truth or the wayyyyy”

        Simple question.

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      3. Larry

        you said Why I bother about which methodology Muslims use and why do I have a problem with the one Muslims are using and I said I have problem with the way because its Manipulating …confusing and not transparent.

        Its Manipulating …confusing and not transparent because Muslims Quote bible when they want to proof to Christians that Mohamed is a real prophet ..Jesus prophecy about Mohamed and when Christians disagree with them with a scripture in the same bible Muslims goes Bible is Corrupted .. manipulated etc so am I wrong to say that is Manipulating …confusing and not transparent if One minute you believe in bible then next minute you don’t .

        Alright so I have one question for you, should I still follow the bible even if it is unreliable just because some voice spoke to me that “Jesus is the truth or the wayyyyy
        No you should not. If you truly belief Bible is unreliable but if you hear a voice telling you Jesus is the truth and the way that same voice will make you understand why bible is reliable.

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      4. “Its Manipulating …confusing and not transparent because Muslims Quote bible when they want to proof to Christians that Mohamed is a real prophet ..Jesus prophecy about Mohamed and when Christians disagree with them with a scripture in the same bible Muslims goes Bible is Corrupted .. manipulated etc so am I wrong to say that is Manipulating …confusing and not transparent if One minute you believe in bible then next minute you don’t .”

        So you’re narrowing it down to avoid the challenge or maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt (some type of people generally require more effort to comprehend something, I understand 🙂) and quote your comment again to portray a fuller/comprehensive picture of what I implied by methodology

        “My Question goes to Muslims WHY do you always talk about things Like. ****Show me where Jesus say worship me, Bible is
        contradicting and Manipulating ..Bible is not the word of God****”

        “Why bother about which methodology we use and why do you have a problem with the one we’re using”

        I’m sure the blog touches most of those issues so designate one article…I say again *article* (some type of people generally require more effort to comprehend something, I understand 🙂) pertaining to the list and then we can discuss your claim

        “No you should not. If you truly belief [sic] Bible is unreliable but if you hear a voice telling you Jesus is the truth and the way that same voice will make you understand why bible is reliable.”

        Toss out the “If i truly believe…” part, let’s say or let’s postulate for a while that via objective analysis and rationally speaking the bible is unreliable, then one day some voice tells me “follow the bible, Jesus is the way”, should I follow it?

        If I do, then that would be one hell of a nonsensical or let’s say preposterous reasoning because like I said before that would mean your god is incompetent/maladroit for making a religion that can’t be proved via rationality alone at it’s very core itself and instead requires a miracle… I’m not even touching the outer layers right now…

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      5. “Its Manipulating …confusing and not transparent because Muslims Quote bible when they want to proof to Christians that Mohamed is a real prophet ..Jesus prophecy about Mohamed and when Christians disagree with them with a scripture in the same bible Muslims goes Bible is Corrupted .. manipulated etc so am I wrong to say that is Manipulating …confusing and not transparent if One minute you believe in bible then next minute you don’t .”

        Plus don’t hold on that straw mate, this is not our main argument to prove his Prophethood nor do every Muslim(me included) uses that kind of argument

        “My Question goes to Muslims WHY do you always talk about things Like. ***Show me where Jesus say worship me, Bible is
        contradicting and Manipulating ..Bible is not the word of God *** ***instead of Proving that Mohamed is not a fake prophet?***”

        https://quranandbibleblog.com/author/stewjo004/

        Pick one

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      6. “So you’re narrowing it down”

        Just to avoid the hassle of me explaining, what I mean is that you made a distinction at first then narrowed your claim by mixing everything up, maybe you’re confused or you wanna avoid the challenge…

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      7. The manusmitri lists the types of slaves

        “….He who is made a captive under a standard, he who serves for his daily food, he who is born in the house, he who is bought and he who is given, he who is inherited from ancestors, and he who is enslaved by way of punishment.”

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      8. As for sex slavery, I’m not so sure in general I haven’t read much on this but when Chandravanshi Chakravartin Samrat Yayati offered his daughter as a slave he bragged about how she can seduce any man

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      9. Max

        I read this passage in ‘Riddles in Hinduism’
        ”Of all his(Krishna) indecencies the worst is his illicit life with one Gopi by name Radha. Krishna’s illicit relations with Radha are portrayed in the Brahmavaivarta Purana. Krishna is married to Rukmani the daughter of King Rukmangad. Radha was married to….. Krishna who abandons his lawfully wedded wife Rukmini and seduces Radha wife of another man and lives with her in sin without remorse.”

        Bro can you plz provide me reference of this illegal relationship btw. Radha and Krishna

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      10. Larry

        “@ Asura Warlord Plus don’t hold on that straw mate, this is not our main argument to prove his Prophethood nor do every Muslim(me included) uses that kind of argument

        @Larry I am not holding on anything I am just simply saying what Muslims do so I don’t really like talking to Muslims about certain things, because I already know what they will do when Christians quote bible

        @ Asura Warlord “My Question goes to Muslims WHY do you always talk about things Like. ***Show me where Jesus say worship me, Bible is contradicting and Manipulating ..Bible is not the word of God *** ***instead of Proving that Mohamed is not a fake prophet?***” Pick one

        @Larry Ok I pick this .Prove to me that Mohamed is not fake. As a Christian Jesus never said anything about Mohamed to me

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      11. This bloke is playing games I’m not giving him the benefit of the doubt anymore or keep assuming that somehow he’s extremely confused, So basically he starts by saying this

        “My Question goes to Muslims WHY do you always talk about things Like (affirmative intro).Show me where

        -Jesus say worship me (affirmative statement)

        -Bible is
        contradicting (affirmative statement)

        -and Manipulating (affirmative statement)

        -Bible is not the word of God (affirmative statement)

        -instead (adverb of opposition)of Proving that Mohamed is not a fake prophet? (negative statement)”

        What I meant by “methodology” in my following was clearly and obviously about the affirmative statements (i.e how exactly is or in other words which components of our/how our overall arguments about the bible not being the word of God and the others on the list “Manipulating, confusing and not transparent”) and anyone can guess it via a natural or close logical reading of his comment and my reply. Nowhere did my post refer to anything about proving Mohammad as a true prophet, I’m sure he knew that when reading.

        When I asked him to bring an example from an article on the blog so we can discuss his claim, he changes his stance because he realized he’s too knuckleheaded to argue against the articles, he tried his luck and hoped that I was being vague about what I meant by methodology and also he thought I wouldn’t keep track of his previous posts and just swallow what he says with each new post, so now in his following reply he mixes some stuff of what he said in his initial post and narrows it down, he not only changes his negative statement to positive, he also changes the context, he said

        “Its Manipulating …confusing and not transparent because Muslims Quote bible when they want to [sic] proof to Christians that Mohamed is a real prophet ..Jesus prophecy about Mohamed and when Christians disagree with them with a scripture in the same bible Muslims goes Bible is Corrupted .. manipulated etc so am I wrong to say that is Manipulating …confusing and not transparent if One minute you believe in bible then next minute you don’t .”

        Which is basically like “no no no so you guys do actually try to prove Muhammad is a true prophet and please let me contradict what I initially said about it, my problem was how Muslims use these arguments inconsistently together, I’m too much of a cretin to argue about the components of each individual arguments/examples stated in my initial post so let me change the context, and also please ignore my unrelated example about Jesus’ divinity which shoots my foot”

        So one last chance, don’t play games, stick to the challenge and to the right context of the challenge and pick one

        https://quranandbibleblog.com/author/stewjo004/

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      12. Larry

        Wow people on this forum like concubine a lot boi lol…..Islam permits it why are you guys trying to prove Christianity permits it too? Is it that deep inside of you guys you know its wrong you just want to justify yourself. I have already said, God knows people that cares about truth and Its funny you said I should read it 10times in other for me to understand , I believe I have read it more than 10times and I don’t mind reading it again. If you read below you will see how I bold some of the key words in the Beginning God want 1 man to marry 1 woman in other for both of them to be come 1 But Because of the Hardness of the hearts of the people Moses permits them to divorce and marry another wife But Jesus made it clear anyone that Divorce his wife for any other reason except for sexual immorality and marries another commits adultery. So sleeping with someone you marry can be consider as adultery if you did not do things properly Can you not see how sleeping with concubine is not accepted if you can commit sin by sleeping with a woman you marry because you didn’t divorce the first wife because of sexual immorality
        We Christians choose to do what God design it to be in the beginning 1man and 1woman coming together becoming 1 flesh that’s what Jesus said and that is what we are doing . We don’t want our selfish body and hardness of our heart dictate for us and also we love God
        Can you now see how concubine is not permitted in Christianity? How come you and the other people here didn’t see the part Jesus said in the beginning God want 1man and 1 woman to marry and you are only allow to divorce your only for sexual immorality, How come you don’t want to do what God want ? How come you only want to do what your selfish body want. Like I said God knows people that care about truth and people that pretend.

        matthew 19:3-9 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”
        4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who [a]made them at the BEGINNING ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the TWO shall become ONE flesh’? 6 So then, they are NO LONGER TWO but ONE FLESH. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
        7 They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?”
        8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the HARDNESS of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for [b]sexual immorality, and MARRIES ANOTHER, COMMITS ADULTERY . and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.

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      13. Wow, Loonie Larry is really embarrassed by his god allowing concubinage, and needs to sanitize his book to avoid that embarrassment. Once again, there is literally nothing in that verse that could be interpreted as a ban on concubinage. You’re reading into the text. It is only about divorce.

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      14. “Wow people on this forum like concubine a lot boi lol…..Islam permits it why are you guys trying to prove Christianity permits it too? Is it that deep inside of you guys you know its wrong you just want to justify yourself. I have already said, God knows people that cares about truth and Its funny you said I should read it 10times in other for me to understand , I believe I have read it more than 10times and I don’t mind reading it again. If you read below you will see how I bold some of the key words in the Beginning God want 1 man to marry 1 woman in other for both of them to be come 1 But Because of the Hardness of the hearts of the people Moses permits them to divorce and marry another wife But Jesus made it clear anyone that Divorce his wife for any other reason except for sexual immorality and marries another commits adultery. So sleeping with someone you marry can be consider as adultery if you did not do things properly Can you not see how sleeping with concubine is not accepted if you can commit sin by sleeping with a woman you marry because you didn’t divorce the first wife because of sexual immorality
        We Christians choose to do what God design it to be in the beginning 1man and 1woman coming together becoming 1 flesh that’s what Jesus said and that is what we are doing . We don’t want our selfish body and hardness of our heart dictate for us and also we love God
        Can you now see how concubine is not permitted in Christianity? How come you and the other people here didn’t see the part Jesus said in the beginning God want 1man and 1 woman to marry and you are only allow to divorce your only for sexual immorality, How come you don’t want to do what God want ? How come you only want to do what your selfish body want. Like I said God knows people that care about truth and people that pretend.

        matthew 19:3-9 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”
        4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who [a]made them at the BEGINNING ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the TWO shall become ONE flesh’? 6 So then, they are NO LONGER TWO but ONE FLESH. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
        7 They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?”
        8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the HARDNESS of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for [b]sexual immorality, and MARRIES ANOTHER, COMMITS ADULTERY . and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

        Divorce

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      15. stewjo004

        @ Looney Larry

        Well, that was a disappointing response. (Sigh)

        1. Concubines
        “Islam permits it why are you guys trying to prove Christianity permits it too? Is it that deep inside of you guys you know its wrong you just want to justify yourself…”

        Hahahaha…ah no. I:

        A. am appaled by you attempting to make what God has made allowed forbidden just like how I would not like someone who was making what God has forbidden allowed.

        B. Like showing your ignorance about your text you claim to believe in.

        PS your rant is irrelevant because a wife is not a concubine and next Jesus(As) never said this crap.

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  28. Victorious

    Why god can’t be omnipresent?

    Now some of you may say that if god is present everywhere then it means god must be present in faecal matter then why don’t you worship it? The answer to this question is: ‘The thing is u r looking at faecal matter but the thing is that it is atoms and molecules and not the faeces about which u r talking. And also its not necessary what r u worshiping. Imp thing is whether u r worshiping God or not.’

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      @ Victorious

      The fecal matter argument is to provide a simple example that even a child will say no that’s wrong. Outside the obvious absurdity then idol worship should be okay using the logic you presented because if God is everywhere according to your claim then He’s also inside the idol at the time of it’s worship. Just because God is All-Hearing, All-Seeing and All-Knowing does not require Him to be physically present everywhere as well.

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      This is the problem with pagan christianity.

      1. Ask a crosstian, “when yhwh was in time and space , did it put its effect in him”

      So for example, i do action a at time t1 and action b at time t2

      From t1 to time t2 my action has “aged”

      Does yhwh age? Does time space and location make him feel contained like humans feel contained, if not what the hell does “physically omniPresent” mean?

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  29. Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh

    Today I wish to give an important advice to all bros and sisters in Islam.

    As Sunni Muslim, I was desperate to defend Islam from non-Muslims but years later God Almighty wised me up and made me realize that “terrorism”, “misogyny” etc. are just excuses of disbelievers so they can attack us and Islam.

    I want all of you to bear in mind that disbelievers attacked us and Islam since 7th century after God Almighty sent an Arab Messenger namely Muhammad ibn Abdullah al Muttalib(peace be upon him) to all mankind and Jinnkind. So the disbelievers will attack us and Islam until the Day of Judgement.

    I find that arguing with disbelievers to be purely waste of precious time when we could do a lot of worship and good deeds. Disbelievers are like wall, so there’s no point in arguing with them. Myself, I’m done with polemics and apologetics, and I focus from tomorrow on on how I can please my Lord so I can reach Jannatul Firdaus.

    My sincere advice would be to just ignore the disbelievers and let them bark as God Almighty testified that they are deaf, blind and dump in some verses of Holy Quran.

    Can we focus on how we can have the highest rank in Paradise from now on?!

    Can we swallow up what disbelievers say about us and Islam!?

    Please remember that God Almighty did this as means of test just as He stated “We will surely test you with hunger…”(I don’t remember the verse)

    I’m too sick and tired of arrogant haters but I learnt that God Almighty will deal with them on the Day of Judgement.

    As for terrorists, they will be until the Day of Judgement according to what Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) said.

    Remember that God Almighty is Best of Planners and have reliance on Him

    And that’s my speech of this night.

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    1. Larry

      @ alexanderabood

      Wow do you really stand by what you wrote ? So you mean God create disbelievers in other for Him to send them to Hell fire … Wow I really can’t believe you think it’s better to ignore people instead of leading them into the righteous way.. have you ever think why some people are born Muslims and others Christians and other religions? Majority of people that are Muslims today were born Muslims same goes for Christianity and you think it’s better to ignore people that don’t believe? I am a Christian used to be a Muslim but I can’t see a Muslim and not share what I know with them … you know why ? I am doing for God not human being not eye service not even because of myself but because of God. I guess you do it for your Ego that’s why you are fed up

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        @Larry

        The reason is kuffar are dumb and it’s annoying to go over and over again about how there’s One God to people who refuse to listen and accept nothing less than to be defiant to their Creator. That is what the whole “casting pearls before swine” (please see not reading the text as I mentioned earlier)

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      2. Yes and I swear by God that I stand by what I wrote.

        And you claimed that I do for my ego?!

        Listen man, I don’t defend Islam for my ego!! I defend Islam because I hate that you guys keep attacking it and us, and I wish you guys would leave us and Islam alone and mind your scriptures!!!!!!

        How dare you attribute something false to me!? Shame on you!!

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      3. and I forgot to mention one thing

        I choose to ignore totally people because I don’t see any point in arguing with you guys, because you won’t believe Islam anyways so I will leave it up to God Almighty To guide whom He wills

        And also, you guys are arrogant hating rejectors(of Truth) you love to attack us and Islam constantly and you won’t leave us alone

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      4. Larry

        @ alexanderabood
        And you claimed that I do for my ego?
        I didn’t claim you do it for your ego, I said I guess which means I am not sure.

        Listen man, I don’t defend Islam for my ego!! I defend Islam because I hate that you guys keep attacking it and us, and I wish you guys would leave us and Islam alone and mind your scriptures!!!!!!
        Muslims are the one that associate themselves with Christians by saying Mohamed is a Prophet like all other prophets in the bible and We have right to disassociate ourselves from you if we cant confirm your claims. Are you saying we are not suppose to question your claim? Say a strange man that resemble your father and you came to your house and claims He is your biological father will you just accept because of what he said or will you find out the truth like doing DNA test? who knows he could be saying the truth or not without DNA you cant be 100% you can choose to belief your dad and mum but it doesn’t mean they are not lying to you

        How dare you attribute something false to me!? Shame on you!!
        What did I attribute to you that is false?
        I choose to ignore totally people because I don’t see any point in arguing with you guys, because you won’t believe Islam anyways so I will leave it up to God Almighty To guide whom He wills
        I know it can be frustrating telling someone about God how do you think I feel talking to non believers but that doesn’t mean I will stop trying ..Mine is to try its up to God to have mercy on anyone that don’t believe .. Did Mohamed Ignore the Christians that I heard they went to ask him question or is the story fake?
        And also, you guys are arrogant hating rejectors(of Truth) you love to attack us and Islam constantly and you won’t leave us alone
        Christians are not arrogant….I think we can both agree and disagree that Christians can say the same about Muslims

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  30. Larry

    @ stewjo004

    Answer to your question about how I gave me life..

    Back in 2016 during Ramadan I have one prayer that through out the whole month I was praying that God should explain to me the difference between Islam and Christianity and show me which one is the real and only way to Heaven and I said God I was born a Muslim and believe in islam but I have some questions about Islam that I can’t ignore so I pray that God if I don’t hear anything from you till next Ramadan that means Islam is the way and you can’t punish me for not following Christianity..During and after Ramadan I didn’t get any answer. Fast forward to ending of April 2017 close to Ramadan 2017 I was watching a movie called Son of God and it got to a part that Jesus said Jesus said, “I am (A)the way, (B)the truth, and (C)the life. (D)No one comes to the Father (E)except through Me. Then I hear a voice talking to me not audibly but I can hear and understand what He was saying ..He said can I hear what Jesus was saying I said yes then the voice said Jesus can’t lie that means when he said. “I am (A)the way, (B)the truth, and (C)the life. (D)No one comes to the Father (E)except through Me. Is true… the only way is Jesus. I was shocked I can’t hear Audibly or see anyone physically but I know 100% I was talking to someone then I stopped the movie I said to myself I will watch it again in few days time if the same thing happens then maybe that was Holy Spirit… few days after I continue watching the movie at the beginning nothing Happened then it Got to a part where Jesus said people will be judge now that they know the truth then all of a sudden I hear the voice again saying to me now you know the truth as I was thinking could this be true then the voice said do you remember your prayer during last year Ramadan that is when I realised it was Holy Spirit talking to me .. To be honest with you the very first time I heard someone talking to me I am sure the person was right but being a Muslim I can’t just accept like that and even in 2016 when I was praying I was hoping God will say Islam.. that is how I have my life

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      @ Larry

      “if I don’t hear anything from you till next Ramadan that means Islam is the way and you can’t punish me for not following Christianity.”

      So basically you tried to “test” God and it backfired, got it. Also shows your complete lack of proper dua etiquette but I digress…

      “I was watching a movie called Son of God… the voice said Jesus can’t lie that means when he said. “I am (A)the way, (B)the truth, and (C)the life. (D)No one comes to the Father (E)except through Me. Is true… the only way is Jesus…”

      Interesting especially since Biblical scholarship again agrees Isa(as) never said this please see the book “5 Gospels” but I’ll keep going….

      “…then maybe that was Holy Spirit…I hear the voice again saying to me now you know the truth as I was thinking could this be true then the voice said do you remember your prayer during last year Ramadan that is when I realised it was Holy Spirit talking to me…”

      And curiosity why can’t we conclude it was the devil doing you know his most basic move of getting people to die on shirk?

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      1. Larry

        stewjo004
        @ Larry
        So basically you tried to “test” God and it backfired, got it. Also shows your complete lack of proper dua etiquette but I digress…
        I didn’t try to test God and I know you are not the only one to think or say that, But I am only being honest with what I did and at the time God knows I was only trying to find out the truth not Testing or Commanding him I guess that’s why he show me mercy.
        Interesting especially since Biblical scholarship again agrees Isa(as) never said this please see the book “5 Gospels” but I’ll keep going….
        Like I said in the previous message I sent to you these so called Scholars are they Muslims now?
        And curiosity why can’t we conclude it was the devil doing you know his most basic move of getting people to die on shirk?
        Wow I really didn’t think any Muslim is capable of thinking it could be Devil lol if you can think like that then you should be able to think maybe the Angel Mohamed saw is Devil… what do you think ? I am not saying devil don’t play tricks on people don’t get me wrong… I heard a story don’t know if its true or not about SATANIC Verse in Quran where Satan spoke to Mohamed and he thought He was speaking to Angel of God..

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    2. Max

      In your movie Jesus said ”I am the way,truth and life and no one goes to father except through me”

      Note–> Jesus said ‘I am the way’ not I am the destination, who is the destination? God the father is destination. And we know prophets show us the way to god by giving us message of god.
      So Jesus(prophet) is a way and God is the destination.
      For ‘I am truth and life’ each and every prophet is the truth and lie for his people. Moses(pbuh) is truth and life for Jews and Muhammad(saw) is truth and life for Muslims.

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      1. Larry

        @ Max

        Note–> Jesus said ‘I am the way’ not I am the destination, who is the destination? God the father is destination. And we know prophets show us the way to god by giving us message of god.
        So Jesus(prophet) is a way and God is the destination.
        For ‘I am truth and life’ each and every prophet is the truth and lie for his people. Moses(pbuh) is truth and life for Jews and Muhammad(saw) is truth and life for Muslims.

        You are wrong I am not sure if you read bible very well but Just in case you don’t read this. And tell me if Jesus only say preach to Jews

        John 14:6
        Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

        Mark 16:15-18
        And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who [d]believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they[e] will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.

        Matthew 28:16-20
        Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.
        18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go [c]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” [d]Amen.

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    3. Max

      John 17:3 ‘Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.’

      You said ‘at least every Muslims believe Jesus Christ is sent by God that means we cant question if He is real or fake but Christians don’t believe Mohamed is a true prophet .. ”

      at least every Christian believe Moses is sent by God that means we cant question if He is real or fake but Jews don’t believe Jesus is a true prophet ..

      The question is where did Jesus said ‘I am god’ or ‘worship me’
      We all know that Jesus is true.

      Moreover, you didn’t answered where did Jesus said ‘I am god’ or ‘worship me’?

      It doesn’t matters whether Isaiah 42 is in old testament, the point is he is mentioned in Isaiah 42.

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      1. Larry

        at least every Christian believe Moses is sent by God that means we cant question if He is real or fake but Jews don’t believe Jesus is a true prophet .
        Lol Max but you know I am not a Jew I don’t get you.
        The question is where did Jesus said ‘I am god’ or ‘worship me’
        We all know that Jesus is true.
        1. I never said to you Jesus said He is God worship me. I said Jesus is the way
        2. If you are Christian you will understand things you don’t know now Holy Spirit can help you with that
        John 16: 12-15
        I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He [c]will take of Mine and declare it to you.

        Read this Scripture Below then You will see Jesus didn’t say I am not God nor confirm He is God and Also tell me what you Think if Jesus says to those Jews I am God what you think they will do…He knew people are not ready for some things that’s why we have Holy Spirit to help us

        John 10:31-39

        31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”
        33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
        34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and [f]believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” 39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand

        It doesn’t matters whether Isaiah 42 is in old testament, the point is he is mentioned in Isaiah 42.

        You are right it shouldn’t matter if its Old or New testament but the facts still stands He was talking about Jesus.

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    4. This is as dubious of a reason to convert to Christianity as “Near Death Experiences”, You do realize Satan can disguise himself as the holy spirit even according to the Bible.

      2 Corinthians 11:14, NIV: “And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.”

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      1. Larry

        This is as dubious of a reason to convert to Christianity as “Near Death Experiences”, You do realize Satan can disguise himself as the holy spirit even according to the Bible.
        I don’t see anything Dubious in this .
        1 I cant make any voice to speak to anyone if I can then I can understand why saying it is Dubious
        2 Same way you know that Satan can disguise himself as the holy spirit I wonder why you don’t think Satan could have done the same to Mohamed and disguise as Angel of God.. I don’t have any doubt that all other prophets are from God only Mohamed I don’t trust . can you help me out on this?
        Can you proof to me Jesus talked about him at least we both believe in Jesus and I am sure Jesus will know if Mohamed was to come after him

        2 Corinthians 11:14, NIV: “And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
        You are right I have been saying this to all my Muslim friends and families that I strongly believe Satan Disguise as Angel of light and spoke to Mohamed . what do you think?

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      2. “I can’t make any voice to speak to anyone”

        This doesn’t prove the voice couldn’t be Satan.

        “same way you know that Satan can disguise himself as the holy spirit I wonder why you don’t think Satan could have done the same to Mohamed”

        Sure Satan could have done so but it wouldn’t make sense for Satan to promote a belief system that not only goes against, requires you to pray God far more than Christianity, requires you to be far away as possible to Satan, thwart your desires

        Compared to Christianity where all you have to do is believe in Jesus(a human) and you could be the worst man alive but still go to heaven. Which belief system seems more like it came from Satan to you?

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      3. You see this is the problem, you are using the Bible, a book with uncertain authenticity to judge Muhammad SAW, we do not need the Bible to prove Muhammad SAW was a messenger, we have a complex Hadith system going back to his companions ensuring the authenticity of his miracles and prophecies down to even a letter, does the Bible have a complex system ensuring it’s authenticity throughout the generations?

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      4. stewjo004

        @ Muslim Knight

        “Which belief system seems more like it came from Satan to you?”

        (Raise hand)

        The one that can’t explain its core doctrine and thinks killing unarmed women and children is okay?

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      5. stewjo004

        @ Muslim Knight

        “does the Bible have a complex system ensuring it’s authenticity throughout the generations?”

        (Raises hand)

        No.

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      6. Larry

        This doesn’t prove the voice couldn’t be Satan.

        I never said Satan cant disguise and speak to anyone, All I said is Christians has been saying this to Muslims for years that it was Satan that spoke to Mohamed not Angel of God

        Sure Satan could have done so but it wouldn’t make sense for Satan to promote a belief system that not only goes against,
        requires you to pray God far more than Christianity, requires you to be far away as possible to Satan, thwart your desires

        You are funny to think Muslims pray more than Christians. I used to be a Muslim praying 5 times a day doesn’t make you pray more and for you to think Satan can’t speak to Mohamed because Islam bring people to God you are very wrong Christianity is the only religion that has power over Satan. cast out demon, deliver people from its oppression by the name of Jesus. So what Satan did is make people like you follow Islam that don’t have power over him and not make heaven.

        Philippians 2:9-11

        Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name
        That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth,
        and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that
        Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

        Compared to Christianity where all you have to do is believe in Jesus(a human) and you could be the worst man alive but still go to heaven. Which belief system seems more like it came from Satan to you?

        Islam is the belief system seems more like it came from Satan to me.
        Listen to yourself did Jews not believe in Moses? did they not do what he told them to do in other for them to go to Heaven? did they not even tell him to speak to God for them?.
        I can see you don’t know anything about God like other Muslims, But during Moses and After Jewish used to sacrifice Animal in other to ask for forgiveness all
        that and that was only for Jewish people because before Jesus only Jews are called children of God but by what Jesus did there is no need to sacrifice animal again and other nations can be called children of God too if they belief in Jesus As prophet Isaiah prophecy in Isaiah 42.

        The thing is if truly Muslims care about truth and God they will learn about God’s way from other prophets before too.
        How do you Justify God that speaks to Adam and Eve, Abraham, Noah, Moses.. Isaiah, Elijah, Joseph, David and so many other men of God then suddenly stop talking to us now just because Mohamed can’t speak to God but Christians still talk to God and hear God till today.
        I know you might want to say we talk to satan but guess what you are not the only one to think that even over 2000 years ago some people like you did

        Matthew 12:20-26

        Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the [a]blind and mute man both spoke and saw.
        And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”
        Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by [b]Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

        But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation,
        and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?

        I am not saying all this in other for you to say you want to be a Christian I am only saying that if you truly love God and want to make heaven you should be able to see that there are some things that are not adding up in Islam same way Muslims are saying some things are not adding up in
        Christianity unless if you are a liar you will deny this. I will advise anyone that reads this to pray to God for clarification the same way you pray for material things why will you not pray to know the truth and if you want to believe the nonsense that Imams and Muslim scholars says about Satan will speak to you if you pray for clarification be rest assure that Satan can give material things too so stop praying if you believe them… But I will also say this because I know God doesn’t forsake people
        that after truth and more powerful than Satan . So if Satan try to Wisper to you because you are trying to find out the truth God will surely rise for you so far you genuinely after the truth.

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      7. Literally this whole passage is just preaching and straw man, you should be ashamed of yourself of even promoting this nonsense, basically what you’re saying is 1400 years of strong Islamic traditions with evidences and historical background which are used and testified by even historians should just be forgotten because some fool with potential schizophrenia starting hearing voices a day.

        Again, we pray 5 times a day speaking against Satan, abstaining from pre marital sex, abstaining from wine and pork and over eating, all of these are sins, and even deadly sins according to the Jewish law but yet Christians still do this without shame and believe they will go to heaven, again I ask, which belief system sounds more like Satan? One that abstains from Sins or one that embraces it like Christianity?

        You also can’t prove your Bible has authentic chains going back to companions of Jesus proving Miracles, we however do.

        And no schizophrenic whispers don’t count as proof.

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      8. Larry

        @ themuslimknight. Literally this whole passage is just preaching and straw man, you should be ashamed of yourself of even promoting this nonsense,
        basically what you’re saying is 1400 years of strong Islamic traditions with evidences and historical background which are used and testified
        by even historians should just be forgotten because some fool with potential schizophrenia starting hearing voices a day. be

        @Larry. Don’t you like preaching? don’t you preach too? Or is it only Muslims that can preach? I only trying to let you know things you don’t know

        Its funny you said I should be ashamed if myself. Are you saying Christians dont have Strong Christianity Traditions also I believe Christianity is Older than Islam
        so I dont know what 1400 years got to do with anything. whatever Evidence From Mohamed, Hadit and all other thing related to Islam, Christians dont Approve of it so who cares if you have the Photo or Video or Even Hand written documents from Mohamed. This is the thing you dont get it I can tell as far as Christian concerned if We see Mohamed today we will say the same thing to him..

        @ themuslimknight. Again, we pray 5 times a day speaking against Satan, abstaining from pre marital sex, abstaining from wine and pork and over eating,
        all of these are sins, and even deadly sins according to the Jewish law but yet Christians still do this without shame and believe they will go to heaven,
        again I ask, which belief system sounds more like Satan? One that abstains from Sins or one that embraces it like Christianity?

        @Larry.

        1 Christianity dont promote pre marital sex if you can show me 1 place in New testament that promote pre marital sex and I guess you dont read Quran
        or you a liar like others if you do then you will never say Quran dont promote pre marital sex

        Quran 23:6
        Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed

        Quran 70:30
        except in regard to their spouses and those whom their right hands possess, for in regard to them they are not reproachable

        Listen before you send me Quran 4:25 I know what is there and others Quran 70:30 and Quran 23:6 Clearly mention wife first then those their right hands possess
        if you want to say to me that Quran 4:25 says you should marry slaves that is what those their right hands possess means.. After marrying those their right hands possess
        do you still call them those their right hands possess or Wife? if after marrying those their right hands possess you still call them those their right hands possess Not wife
        then my bad but if after you marrying them you call them Wife then it means they sleep with slaves . Also bear in mind what Jesus says about marrying more than one wife.

        Matthew 19:7-9
        They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?”
        He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives,
        but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality,
        and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.

        2 Jesus already told us what we eat cant defile us read below

        Mark 7:14-23

        When He had called all the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear Me, everyone, and understand
        There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him,
        those are the things that defile a man If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear
        When He had entered a house away from the crowd, His disciples asked Him concerning the parable
        So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him
        because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, [b]thus purifying all foods?”
        And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men,
        proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit,
        lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness
        All these evil things come from within and defile a man

        So to Answer your question which belief system sounds more like Satan? ISLAM

        You also can’t prove your Bible has authentic chains going back to companions of Jesus proving Miracles, we however do.
        And no schizophrenic whispers don’t count as proof.

        How do you know this? because we Christians told you what we know but it doesn’t mean its fake.. We dont lie and Just because they didn’t document it like they should
        doesn’t mean its fake. like i said all the things you called evidence dont mean a thing to us. why do you really think when Christians says they hear God you think is schizophrenia or Satan? Are you saying God stop talking to human kind over 1400 years ago?

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      9. I see you’re still making strawmans and even ended up doing a red herring, now first thing first, You failed to provide a single logical evidence for Christianity, thank you for admitting evidence doesn’t mean a thing to Christians because you especially as far as I see only believe Christianity for purely emotional reasons, you cannot provide even an iota of evidence proving your religion true, your tradition is extremely weak with many holes in it which even your own theologians admit,

        now in your desperate attempt to try and prove Christianity has a strong tradition, you try to take a swing and make a ridiculous reason to believe that is the case, “Christianity is older than Islam”, this is an appeal to antiquity, which is a logical fallacy, you should again be ashamed of yourself for even making such a claim because Pagan traditions are older than Christianity, does it make these traditions true or stronger?

        as for your point of preaching, there is a difference between preaching and questioning, you are preaching with testimonies whereas Im providing evidence for my religion while questioning yours in the process, questions which you clearly lack the intellectual ability to answer as is obvious by your apparent red herrings and strawman here.

        and as for your point of Muhammad SAW, you have proven that you are a dishonest liar here, you wouldn’t believe clear cut proofs of prophethood, but what you would rather believe is a random voice which you yourself are uncertain whether it is Satan or the Holy Spirit? any logical person would take Proofs of Prophethood rather than a questionable testimony.

        Now in your desperate attempt to prove Islam as Satanic, you point at what? the verses mentioning “What your right hand possess”

        Now, as it is clear you are absolutely ignorant of Fiqh, I doubt you were even a Muslim in the first place, these are the most commonly questioned verses and have answers that are abundant throughout websites. but I will still respond although I shouldn’t even dignify such ignorance with a response.

        You start this with a complete straw man, I never said Christianity promotes Pre-Marital sex, I said that if a Christian were to engage in Pre-Marital sex, he would still go to Heaven according to the majority of Christians and their scholars.

        Now your point about those who your right hand possess, these verses arent referring to sex slaves as you are trying your best to prove(read Surah Nur, Verse 33 for explanation) and the words “what your right hand possess” is referring to Concubines, which even Christianity allows, most of the Prophets according to Christianity, had concubines. and unlike you, I’m not really ashamed of my scholars and my tradition so I’ll quote Al Qurtubi on this,

        The ownership of the right hand, in justice, provides maintenance by obligation of good custodianship and gentleness with slaves. The Almighty attributed ownership to the right hand as it is a praiseworthy attribute, and the right hand specifically has the best qualities to carry it out.

        Source: Tafsīr al-Qurṭubī 4:3

        Al-Shafi’i, may Allah have mercy on him, said:

        فَأَمَّا الْجِمَاعُ فَمَوْضِعُ تَلَذُّذٍ وَلَا يُجْبَرُ أَحَدٌ عَلَيْهِ

        As for sexual intercourse, its purpose is pleasure and no one may be forced into it.

        Source: al-Umm 5/203

        Now that’s the gist of your argument gone, now your Bible that you quote,

        Matthew 19:7-9, This verse is literally saying you shouldn’t divorce your wife to marry another, it isn’t saying that you cannot do polygamy, infact if you want to use this verse then Abraham was an Adulterer, Astaghfirullah and Isaac was a child born out of an adulterous relationship, since Abraham divorced Hagar to marry Sarah.

        Your Bible is literally FILLED with Insults towards the Prophets and even God himself. and you’re calling Islam satanic for honoring the practices of the Prophets?

        Tell me which belief is more Satanic? Honoring Prophets as the greatest of men sent by God.
        or
        Insulting the Prophets and degrading them to mere Adulterers and liars and various other things as it does in the Bible?

        Now to touch upon your last point, again, Testimonies dont mean a thing to anyone who values his own intellect, we look for evidence, Christianity is lacking of it, end of story.

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      10. Larry

        @ themuslimknight I see you’re still making strawmans and even ended up doing a red herring, now first thing first, You failed to provide a single logical evidence for Christianity, thank you for admitting evidence doesn’t mean a thing to Christians because you especially as far as I see only believe Christianity for purely emotional reasons, you cannot provide even an iota of evidence proving your religion true, your tradition is extremely weak with many holes in it which even your own theologians admit,

        Are you sure you read my messages before replying or you are just like other Muslims that like to say things they don’t know nothing about there is not like strawmans here
        1. I already said I don’t like to defend bible with Muslims they don’t get it and I don’t blame them its just a way of distracting from the real deal, If Mohamed is a true prophet I will not care about what Christians says that’s why I said the main focus should be is Mohamed fake or Real the moment this can be proof to Christians it will easier for every Christians to embrace Islas as far as we Christians is concern Jesus told us he was going to heaven and come back but before he will come back he will send Holy Spirit to Us but Muslims said Holy Spirit is Mohamed.. Don’t you think its better to proof that Mohamed is real than to be trying to attach bible to Justify Mohamed is real.. when Jesus came he didn’t attack Torah, He proved to people he was sent by God and there is evidence in Torah that He was coming. I hope you know and other Muslims that will be reading this that the only reason Christians don’t follow Mohamed is that
        2. I already said I had an encounter with holy spirit and also I quote a bible verse that clearly says you can only go heaven if you believe in Jesus
        John 14:6
        Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
        3. You said I cant even provide an iota of evidence proving my religion true I will not call you a liar because I did but I will say you don’t pay attention it is very common among Muslims . We Christians speak to God. We cast out demons and perform miracles by the power of God. Listen before you start quoting Matthew 7:21-23 you need to also read Matthew 7:15 where he was talking about fake prophets so clearly there are FAKE AND REAL prophets so only the real ones that performs miracles will go to heaven.
        Matthew 7:21-23
        21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!
        Matthew 7:15
        Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

        @ themuslimknight now in your desperate attempt to try and prove Christianity has a strong tradition, you try to take a swing and make a ridiculous reason to believe that is the case, “Christianity is older than Islam”, this is an appeal to antiquity, which is a logical fallacy, you should again be ashamed of yourself for even making such a claim because Pagan traditions are older than Christianity, does it make these traditions true or stronger?

        Why will you say in my attempt you are the one boasting about how deep your religion is stating 1400years ago I was only saying what does 1400 years got to do with anything it doesn’t proof your religion is good Christianity is older that’s all.

        @ themuslimknight Now in your desperate attempt to prove Islam as Satanic, you point at what? the verses mentioning “What your right hand possess”Now, as it is clear you are absolutely ignorant of Fiqh, I doubt you were even a Muslim in the first place, these are the most commonly questioned verses and have answers that are abundant throughout websites. but I will still respond although I shouldn’t even dignify such ignorance with a response.
        You start this with a complete straw man, I never said Christianity promotes Pre-Marital sex, I said that if a Christian were to engage in Pre-Marital sex, he would still go to Heaven according to the majority of Christians and their scholars.

        1. Like I said I will not call you a liar but read what you said again you said Muslims abstaining from pre marital sex but Christians still do this without shame and believe they will go to heaven which means Christianity promote it and you asked which belief system sounds more like Satan? So showed you how we don’t practise pre marital sex in Christianity but you do in Islam
        2. I am not trying to prove sex slave I was trying to be polite because some Muslims try to say those who your right hand possess means SLAVES but you said concubines which I agree with you but please tell me what is the meaning of concubine ? if you sleep with someone other that your wife what do you call that? Or do you call wife concubine ? and you mentioned most of the Prophets according to Christianity, had concubines that’s is not true. Christianity means followers of Christ .According to Judaism that is true but according to Christianity it’s a big FAT lie. Jesus told us God want us to marry only 1 wife but you said Matthew 19:7-9 was not talking about one wife But when Jesus said 2 become 1 that is what God want. Did he say 1 husband and 2 wife or 3 or 4? LOL you really want to justify reason to marry more than 1 woman. Do you know how does woman feel when they share a man?
        Matthew 19:3-9
        3. 3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”
        4. 4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who [a]made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
        5. 7 They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?”
        6. 8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for [b]sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

        To make things simple I can tell you don’t really know much about Islam and Christianity so I will ask you this question. Some of Muslim Scholars and Preachers believe Jesus was talking about Mohamed not Holy Spirit in John 14 to justify some verses in Quran that says Jesus is in the book of the people of book which we call bible.. do you believe that too?

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      11. Okay so you’re a fake Ex Muslim, very good, also polygamy was allowed by Christians multiple times in history,

        As for Muhammad SAW being fake or real I’ve already provided my evidence, we have Hadith and a complex system behind it, which checks every Hadith whether it is authentic or not, and we have miracles which are authentic hadiths and we have witnesses to those miracles who mass transmitted it to the next generation, some of these witnesses were even the enemy of the Prophet SAW, so that’s my evidence for that. Another evidence is that he was known as truthful up until he was 40, there is no reason to believe he lied for power, as he was a noble of mecca and married to a very Rich woman, Khadija r.a, all of which he gave up for the religion. Even though this Is a complete red herring as the main focus was actually your dubious testimony

        As for the bible, Again you’re cherry picking the Bible to fit your views but the verses don’t even touch upon Polygamy, the verse is literally saying if you divorce one wife for another, then that’s adultery, which then makes most of the Christian prophets adulterers, so answer the question, which religion is more Satanic, one that insults Prophets, or honors them? Don’t beat around the bush.

        As for you saying you don’t know much about Islam, then why claim you were an Ex Muslim? Why claim you were devout if you didn’t know much? And again, If you are truly an Ex Muslim, how are you certain the voices were not Satanic?

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      12. Wait a minute, was this guy pretending to be an ex-Muslim but didn’t know much about it? Then there would be no reason to emphasize that, other than deception. If you were a knowledgeable Muslim, like a sheikh, and then left Islam for some reason, you could emphasize that (although it still wouldn’t prove anything about Islam being true or false).

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      13. Yep, I dont really think this guy is a murtad, if he was a born Muslim as he narrates from his story, he would have at the very least some level of knowledge over concepts like “waswasa”, this is something a Muslim is taught in like grade 1, a Muslim wouldn’t give in easily to some random whisper’s growing up unless if his parents didn’t care to teach him the religion, or said person suffers from Schizophrenia, or already had a bias against Islam which he just wanted to confirm so he used some random whispers and feelings as a reason to confirm it, Let alone the fact that he doesn’t even know what dua means and what prayer means and why both are different.

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    5. Max

      In your previous comment you said ‘Isaiah was talking about Jesus not Muhammad’

      So tell me one thing is Jesus from the lineage of Kedar? was Jesus in medina(mt.Sela)?

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      1. Larry

        In your previous comment you said ‘Isaiah was talking about Jesus not Muhammad’
        Yes I said that

        So tell me one thing is Jesus from the lineage of Kedar? was Jesus in medina(mt.Sela)?

        Jesus is not from the Lineage of Kedar and He is not from Sela, But Isaiah Never mention that the Prophet will come from Kedar or Sela. Read below yourself
        Isaiah 42:10-13
        Sing to the LORD a new song,
        And His praise from the ends of the earth,
        You who go down to the sea, and [d]all that is in it,
        You COASTLANDS and you INHABITANTS of them!
        11 Let the WILDERNESS and its CITIES lift up their voice,
        NOW ISAIAH SAID

        The villages that Kedar inhabits.
        Let the inhabitants of Sela sing,
        Let them shout from the top of the mountains.
        12 Let them give glory to the LORD,
        And declare His praise in the coastlands.
        13 The LORD shall go forth like a mighty man;
        He shall stir up His zeal like a man of war.
        He shall cry out, yes, shout aloud;
        He shall prevail against His enemies

        As you can see Isaiah Spoke to People that inhabit Coastlands He was telling people of Different Nations about coming of Jesus because during the time of Isaiah Only Jews are called God’s people But Isaiah saw revelation that by the time that Jesus will come to the world the whole world would have opportunity to call themselves people of God trough Jesus Christ so he was saying that people of different Nations should rejoice because the time is coming. He never said the person will come from Kedar or Sela. If you read Isaiah Chapter 41 you will see again God was talking about Coastlands

        Please Can we stick to the first message about Can you proof Mohamed is true prophet and also did Jesus talked about him ..

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    6. Max

      [Isaiah 42] 1 Here is my servant, whom I uphold,
      my chosen one in whom I delight;
      I will put my Spirit on him,
      and he will bring justice to the nations.
      2 He will not shout or cry out,
      or raise his voice in the streets.
      3 A bruised reed he will not break,
      and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out.
      In faithfulness he will bring forth justice;
      4 he will not falter or be discouraged
      till he establishes justice on earth.
      In his teaching the islands will put their hope.”

      5 This is what God the Lord says—
      the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out,
      who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it,
      who gives breath to its people,
      and life to those who walk on it:
      6 “I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness;
      I will take hold of your hand.
      I will keep you and will make you
      to be a covenant for the people
      and a light for the Gentiles,
      7 to open eyes that are blind,
      to free captives from prison
      and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.

      8 “I am the Lord; that is my name!
      I will not yield my glory to another
      or my praise to idols.
      9 See, the former things have taken place,
      and new things I declare;
      before they spring into being
      I announce them to you.”

      10 Sing to the Lord a new song,
      his praise from the ends of the earth,
      you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it,
      you islands, and all who live in them.
      11 Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices;
      let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice.
      Let the people of Sela sing for joy;
      let them shout from the mountaintops.
      12 Let them give glory to the Lord
      and proclaim his praise in the islands.
      13 The Lord will march out like a champion,
      like a warrior he will stir up his zeal;
      with a shout he will raise the battle cry
      and will triumph over his enemies.

      This isn’t about Jesus(pbuh) this is about Muhammad(saw)

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  31. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I really wish in Paradise to be Transformer being so I can take the shape of Ferrari, Bughati, Lamburghini or any other cool car. You know what I’m talking about?

    And I really wish to be in Jannatul Firdaus so I can see God Almighty all the time.

    My questions are:

    1. Will it be granted my wish if I wish to be Transformer being?

    2. What are some daily deeds I can do daily so I can reach Jannatul Firdaus based on everyone’s ability?

    May God reward you

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Alexander

      1. Yes inshaAllah
      2. Allah lists everything needed to get to Firdos in Surah Muminoon (23:1-11):

      1. When they pray are humble and full of fear,
      2. turn away from useless activities and talk,
      3. purify themselves and give charity,
      4. guard their chastity, ˹from everyone˺ except their spouses or concubines
      5. shepherds over their promises as well as what they’ve been trusted with,
      6. protect their prayers.

      “Those are the heirs, who will inherit Firdos, where they will live forever.” (23:10-11)

      May Allah make us among them. Ameen.

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  32. Mishal ibn Mumthaz ibn Abdullah

    @stew @larry
    Imagine a religion so incompetent that its adherents are not even required to use reason to accept ot or not. Instead demanding an all powerful deity to talk to you directly like if Allah is obligated to you. Instead of the various rational proofs it provides, it instead relies on what is essentially a gut feeling to accept it. This is crosstianity im a nutshell.

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  33. Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,

    I have created a server which is a Dawah server and dedicates to reveal the true face of Islam and reveal it’s true teachings and it is also a place where Laws of Islam will be implemented.

    Muslims of all branches of Islam are welcomed and even disbelievers are welcomed in the server.

    We’re currently looking for students of knowledge and scholars who can answer to laymen people.

    https://discord.gg/gcY7snEypm

    P.S. The server will be in continue update

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  34. stewjo004

    @ Larry

    1. If multiple people are telling you that’s testing God okay we’ll all be wrong 🤷

    2. Who cares if they’re Muslim? It’s actually BETTER they’re not Muslim as that means a neutral party is saying the same thing and confirming a truth that God said and is thus a point for Islam. Yes, it is KNOWN in Biblical scholarship that there are corruptions in the text. You can read it in the footnotes of YOUR Bible you have at home. The only fools who think it’s not are uneducated laymen. As I said earlier Christians know absolutely nothing about the Bible. Here let’s look again from a Biblical footnote of a verse YOU quoted right now to “prove” Jesus(as) was sent to the more than the Jews, Mark 16:15. Ignoring the fact that this contradicts Jesus (as) allegedly saying he was sent only to Israel in Matthew 15:24:

    “Footnotes:
    8 b Early manuscripts end the Gospel of Mark after verse 8. Other manuscripts contain only a short ending, a version of the following: 9But they quickly reported all these instructions to Peter’s companions. Afterward, Jesus Himself, through them, sent out from east to west the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation. Amen. ”
    https://biblehub.com/bsb/mark/16.htm

    That means there are THREE endings to the gospel of Mark. Let’s again read Biblical scholarship:

    “Virtually all scholars believe that Mark 16:9–20[1] was not originally part of the Gospel…Despite the high degree of consensus that neither Mark 16:9–20, the Shorter Ending, or the Freer Logion (or any combination thereof) were original, there is a deep divide over what the original ending was, with scholars splitting into two main camps: those who think the Gospel ended with Mark 16:8 and those who think that there was another ending which is now lost.”
    https://www.byunewtestamentcommentary.com/the-ending-of-marks-gospel/

    Next, your example is horrible, people play all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify their bad decisions. As for the “how” we know, easy:

    A. They look at the alterations in the manuscripts
    B. I read their conclusions, nod and keep drinking my soda and then base my theological beliefs off of facts.

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    1. stewjo004

      @Larry

      3.So basically you have no criteria to even determine if someone is a prophet or not is what I’m hearing? So your whole question was loaded at the start because you can’t argue if someone is a “true prophet” without first creating an objective standard we can use to measure if someone is a prophet. For example, you said basically “if Jesus(as) didn’t talk about him, therefore, that’s proof” okay…he didn’t say anything about Paul either but you take him as the source of your entire theology.

      4. Yeah for you not to know the Devil was capable makes me HIGHLY question you’re knowledge of Islam (even though you’re mention of the”Satanic verses” more or less gave it away as well) as this is pretty common for example Noah’(as) people:

      Ibn ‘Abbas explained, “Following upon the death of those righteous men, Satan inspired their people to erect statues in the places where they used to sit. They did this, but these statues were not worshiped until the coming generations deviated from the right way of life. Then they worshipped them as their idols.”

      https://www.google.com/books/edition/Stories_of_the_Prophets_Peace_be_upon_th/B3hjDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Ibn+%27Abbas+explained,+%22Following+upon+the+death+of+those+righteous+men,+Satan+inspired+their+people+to+erect+statues+in+the+places+where+they+used+to+sit.+They+did+this,+but+these+statues+were+not+worshiped+until+the+coming+generations+deviated+from+the+right+way+of+life.+Then+they+worshipped+them+as+their+idols.%22&pg=PT71&printsec=frontcover

      5. Even though the Catholic and Protestant Bible are different in a number of books (which again is proof) there are 4 different versions of the Hebrew Bible floating about the Dead Sea, Septugiant, Hebrew Masoretic and Samaritan text. Since I highly doubt you speak koine Greek, classical Hebrew and Aramaic what the translator of the Bible does is takes verses from each one of whatever he “feels” is the correct one and then puts them into English for you. This problem is FURTHER compounded when you add that there are entire books or verses mentioned in the canon that doesn’t exist anymore (please see my article where I quote more Biblical scholarship and the books)
      https://quranandbibleblog.com/2018/04/21/missing-books-in-the-bible/

      6. “God can correct me when I am reading it.”

      How come He didn’t correct the known corruptions coming into it then for +1,800 years Larry? Where was the “Holy Spirit” all this time people were reading false endings? Where was it when all these books when “poof” out of existence Larry?

      7. I answered your question, I would be able to argue I am not liable for punishment due to Him allowing known forgeries into His text and allowing books to go missing thus altering my understanding. His message was not clear, contradictory, morally repugnant (killing unarmed women and children) and He alleges that He “died” for my sins and if He holds me accountable “unjust” to the list. You however have given no criteria to reject Muhammad(saw) other than…voices telling you to?

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      1. Larry

        @ stewjo004

        I will not reply to some of you message. I only want to talk about how we can know if Mohamed is fake or true prophet, I am not talking about defending bible and what some people say about it.

        @ stewjo004 If multiple people are telling you that’s testing God okay, we’ll all be wrong

        I never said anyone should test God, our lord Jesus said in Matthew 4:7 “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God. What I said is Pray, which we all do when we need anything like money. sick. in trouble etc. so why can’t we do it to know which way that truly leads to heaven since we claim to love God how is that a crime to want to know what God want from Us.
        @ stewjo004 . Who cares if they’re Muslim? It’s actually BETTER they’re not Muslim as that means a neutral party is saying the same thing and confirming a truth that God said and is thus a point for Islam. Yes, it is KNOWN in Biblical scholarship that there are corruptions in the text. You can read it in the footnotes of YOUR Bible you have at home. The only fools who think it’s not are uneducated laymen. As I said earlier Christians know absolutely nothing about the Bible. Here let’s look again from a Biblical footnote of a verse YOU quoted right now to “prove” Jesus(as) was sent to the more than the Jews, Mark 16:15.

        I can tell you understand English more than I do with your message but this is what Mark 16:15 says below How can you say it proves Jesus was sent to only Jews when you can see Jesus instruct the followers to preach gospel to EVERY CREATURE meaning NOT ONLY JEWS
        Mark 16:15
        And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

        This is what you said that I am Ignoring the fact that this contradicts Jesus (as) allegedly saying he was sent only to Israel in Matthew 15:24

        But what happen here is you don’t have understanding and its not your fault. They already told you not to mess with bible so you don’t understand Bible you just attack it.
        Let me explain Matthew 15:24 to you and the story is below too .
        Before Jesus came to the world there is no other nation or people on the surface of the earth that are called PEOPLE OF GOD EXCEPT ISRAELITE. Israelite know God, Talk to God and worship God ,God made a covenant with them in Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you.
        All other nations worship gods. So Jesus came in other for everyone in the world to know about God, Believe in God and worship God. So he came to the people of God first to let them know thing are about to change. before you are to be a Jew in other to be people of God but Jesus came to teach them the new Covenant in other for them to teach other nations
        Jesus ministry was only 3years. Look at it like this say A father has power to disappear and he has 10 boys and gave them the power too but the boys don’t know how to give the power to other people. Other people don’t believe in this power the Man was about to die and wishes he can teach people how to transfer the power.
        Will it not make sense for him to teach the 10 boys how to transfer the power rather than starting with new people and die while doing it?
        So God send Jesus to teach Israelite to proclaim the Gospel to all the nations. that’s why he said what he said in Matthew 15:24 and if you read it to the end you will see
        that Jesus bless then woman that came for help even though she is not Jew.

        Matthew 15:21-24
        21 Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.” 23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.” 24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

        @ stewjo004 .So basically you have no criteria to even determine if someone is a prophet or not is what I’m hearing? So your whole question was loaded at the start because you can’t argue if someone is a “true prophet” without first creating an objective standard we can use to measure if someone is a prophet. For example, you said basically “if Jesus(as) didn’t talk about him, therefore, that’s proof” okay…he didn’t say anything about Paul either but you take him as the source of your entire theology.

        I ask if Jesus say anything about Mohamed because prophets before Jesus spoke about Jesus before he came, they prophecy about him so that we don’t get it wrong and true Jesus did not tell us before about Paul but He told Ananias to confirm that it is true that Paul met with Jesus in the book of Acts that’s why we believed Paul. read below

        Acts 9:10-15
        Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and to him the Lord said in a vision, “Ananias. “And he said, “Here I am, Lord.” So the Lord said to him, “Arise and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus, for behold, he is praying. And in a vision he has seen a man named Ananias coming in and putting his hand on him, so that he might receive his sight. Then Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he has done to Your saints in Jerusalem. And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name. “But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel.For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name’s sake

        @ stewjo004 Yeah for you not to know the Devil was capable makes me HIGHLY question you’re knowledge of Islam (even though you’re mention of the “Satanic verses”
        more or less gave it away as well) as this is pretty common for example Noah’(as) people:

        I never said such a thing. I believe Satan can disguise. I was just questioning why Muslims don’t believe Christians when they say Satan disguise and spoke to Mohamed but Muslims believe that when Christians say they hear God they believe Christian hear Satan not God.. How does that make sense to anyone I don’t get it

        @ stewjo004 “God can correct me when I am reading it.”How come He didn’t correct the known corruptions coming into it then for +1,800 years Larry? Where was the “Holy Spirit” all this time people were reading false endings? Where was it when all these books when “poof” out of existence Larry?

        I will only talk about this once, I don’t want to be defending bible like I said its just a way of distracting to know the truth I am not sure if you believe God can correct or not, But anyway you asked where was the holy spirit? If you read my message again I said if truly there is a corruption in bible God can still correct and guide you while you are reading it. if truly some people manipulate bible in other for them to gain money and all the things that was listed as contradicting or manipulation is not the whole bible. So sure whatever that is inside bible that is the word of God He can guide us trough it.. I will ask this question again because it doesn’t make sense if some Christians believe Bible is corrupted and Manipulated and they are still Christians they didn’t convert to Islam after know the truth
        1 its either whatever they think or consider as manipulation or corruption does not change the fact Jesus is the only Way
        2 its either they don’t know what they are saying they just assume because i keep hearing in the old gospel if they have the old gospel why cant they bring it out for everyone to see it.
        So think deep this scholars are not Muslims they are Christians why would they do such a thing and still remain Christians

        @ stewjo004 . I answered your question, I would be able to argue I am not liable for punishment due to Him allowing known forgeries into His text and allowing books to go missing thus altering my understanding. His message was not clear, contradictory, morally repugnant (killing unarmed women and children) and He alleges that He “died” for my sins and if He holds me accountable “unjust” to the list.

        You said you don’t know how Jesus was not clear, contradictory, morally repugnant (killing unarmed women and children).You don’t understand the message doesn’t
        mean its contradictory, morally repugnant (killing unarmed women and children) if you can show me one I will explain to you what you don’t understand

        @ stewjo004 He alleges that He “died” for my sins and if He holds me accountable “unjust” to the list. You however have given no criteria to reject Muhammad(saw) other than…voices telling you to?

        He did died for our sins like I said before only Jews are used to be called people of God and they used to sacrifice Goat and all sort of things in other for them to be clean and for God to forgive them when they sin. Hebrews 9:22
        And according to the law almost all things are [a]purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no [b]remission.
        So Jesus died in other for all this to stop and for anyone who believe in Jesus will be come child of God

        @ stewjo004 You however have given no criteria to reject Muhammad(saw) other than…voices telling you to?

        1 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me ( Jesus cant Lie )
        2 Jesus never say anything about Mohamed
        3 God spoke to me

        4 Jesus already Promise to send helped that will help until he returns

        John 14:15-18
        If you love Me, [a]keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive,
        because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
        5 Mohamed’s teaching goes against Teachings of Jesus.
        So based on this things and more I cant accept him as true prophet

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        “He did died for our sins like I said before only Jews are used to be called people of God and they used to sacrifice Goat and all sort of things in other for them to be clean ”

        Where does the torah say that gentiles in time of moses, solomon, jeremiah, amos go to jewish temple and perform animal and human sacrifice “in order to be clean” ?

        Where does the torah say that it is only through a pagan christian human sacrifice which has power of atonement?

        The torah says flower, gold, vegetables, killing idolater , charity has power of atoning for sins.

        The “spirit of yhwh” in king david says god is close to those who call him in sincerity,

        Psalm 145:18

        king david: god is close to those who call him sincerely

        Confirmed by the spirit of yhwh and stamped and approved

        then comes jesus:

        “No one come to the father except through shedding of me and taking me as a bloody go between ”

        King david holy spirit did not say anything like jesus. Which spirit was jesis being filled with? From torah perspective spirit of the evil one.

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      3. mr.heathcliff

        “Jesus already told us what we eat cant defile us read below

        Mark 7:14-23”

        Gospel of mark is full of inaccuracies.which jews USED to wash their dishes and hands before meals? Mark through holy spirit is making up fiction about jewish customs

        jesis has NO IDEA about METAPhysical defilement. all jews know that eating pig is eatten and then shitted out , jesus SEES the physical…the metaphorical is that meat which god has forbidden BECOMES metaphysically defiled and defiles both heart , mind and soul because it is disobediance to command of yhwh where he told jews not to eat that which he forbid.

        You give your loyalty by obeying god and listening to him, eating forbidden meat and teaching other is an UNSEEN defilement .

        I do not think historical jesus could have said this because his own followers in acts seem to be.converting gentiles pork eatters to jewish customs in book of acts.

        Why peter can NEVER once recall in acts that jesus told him that foods forbidden by god do not defile?

        These guys are having problems sitting next to gentiles when jewish followers are monitoring them.

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      4. Lol, in Acts 10, Peter says he has never eaten any “unclean” thing. For some reason, he didn’t know that Jesus had allegedly declared all foods clean in Mark. This is despite the fact that “Mark” was supposedly written by Peter’s “secretary”.

        The Bible is like a bad movie with many plot holes.

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    2. stewjo004

      1.Our position on your text

      Wrote an article with a chart for easy reference:

      Corruption of the Scriptures: Part I – Does Islam Confirm the Bible As a Scripture from God?

      You do not have Scripture and haven’t had it for a long time.

      2. Proving Muhammad(saw)

      You are not giving anyone a criteria to prove him. The only argument you’ve presented was Jesus(as) allegedly didn’t mention him but ignore the fact that he didn’t mention Paul either but your entire religion based off him and his students (note Acts is written by Paul’s student so quoting it to prove Paul You have to demonstrate what is “proof” in order to prove Muhammad(saw)

      3. Not talking about corruption
      I understand why would you want to talk about falsehood in your text? You’ll ignore and deny even after your own scholarship says it showing why Hell is real.

      4. Speak to God

      What are you talking about? Who says Muhaamd(saw) didn’t speak to God? You claim to be a former Muslim but don’t even know things children do about Islam. Hmmm….🤔🤔🤔 Also we don’t just pray for “material things” lol. Thank you for making the Ummah stronger with you leaving it.

      5.Marriage
      Yes you can have sex with wives and concubines like in the Hebrew Bible genius. Again is this a demonstration of your Biblical knowledge again?

      6.Speaking about Jesus(as) in the Biblical text
      Uhhh…not really

      7. Why Muslims don’t believe Christians

      Because their beliefs are nonsense, their text is corrupt and their whole history is horrid while acting holier than thou. The reason I can say assuming your story is true is that it was from Satan is because he encouraged you to worship another thing alongside God as shirk is the only sin someone doesn’t get forgiveness for which is Satan’s ultimate objective. Meanwhile on Muhammad’s (saw) side his revelations promote pure monotheism, created an empire, altered a language, and had easily fallible prophecies that came true.

      8. Corruption
      It doesn’t matter if “some” things were corrupt if there is ONE corruption the text isn’t from God simple as. Next looking at your history as demonstrated in my article the concept of worshipping a human in and of itself a corruption. Once again if you actually study you would know Christians did not originally worship Jesus(as) the Bible that you keep quoting was written decades later.

      9. Morally repugnant

      Let’s do killing women and children and then raping little girls:

      14But Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who were returning from the battle. 15“Have you spared all the women?” he asked them… kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, 18but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man.(Numbers 31:14-18)

      Completely satanic and another demonstration of your Biblical knowledge.

      10. Jesus and sacrifice
      Hmmm…really interesting did you know the Jews DON’T believe that about sacrifice? Again there’s that Biblical knowledge.

      11.Jesus teachings
      Again you do not HAVE his teachings. Simple question how did you acquire these things Jesus is alleged to have said 2,000+ years later?

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        .” Jesus and sacrifice
        Hmmm…really interesting did you know the Jews DON’T believe that about sacrifice? Again there’s that Biblical knowledge”

        the holy spirit of jews vs the holy spirit of christians, why so much confusion over SIMPLE thing like forgiveness?

        And what has any of this got to do with gentiles?

        The mosaic law was never for them , so the crosstians tell us.

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        “Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you.
        All other nations worship gods. So Jesus came in other for everyone in the world to know about God, Believe in God and worship God”

        You have a problem:

        THe jews say :

        and G-d told a gentile (Noah) that human sacrifice was completely forbidden as Uri mentioned:
        “‘Only of the blood of your own lives will I demand an account. I will demand [such] an account from the hand of every wild beast. From the hand of man – [even] from the hand of a man’s own brother – I will demand an account of [every] human life.” Br’eshit / Genesis 9:5.

        /

        But faiz pointed out about herem sacrifices

        Two messages

        Contradictory

        So gentile noah preaching against human life as sacrifice, yhwhs chosen doing the herem business, help us out here.

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      3. Max

        Different gospel = injil ?
        [Galatians 1:6] I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—

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