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  1. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Jazakallahu khair. This isn’t related to the topic at hand but why are atheists so obsessed with making up scenarios where God looks unjust or something. I remember one exmuslim on twitter ( BTW he’s not one of the famous ones, he has only a few followers lol) where he set up this scenario :
    “If there is a valid and rational argument for God or his religion and that argument requires great intelligence for the listener to understand than God is knowing putting those with lesser intelligence at a great disadvantage!! ”
    I can already refute these in a number of ways but I’m curious of your take on it.

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  2. axel

    A Christian was saying this –> ” Quran 6: 34, 6:115,10:64, etc.. all claim
    that “Allah words can not be distorted”. So if the Bible is
    corrupt as you claim, then the Quran is wrong again and
    that makes “allah” in capable of keeping his words from
    corruption. Thank you for shoving your Quran under the
    bus anyways.
    Also the corruption that you claim Bible scholars attest to,
    has nothing to do with the core theology but a few scribal
    errors from the earliest available manuscript which the
    present day Quran is not free of as well. Thus by that
    yardstick, it is as well safe to say that the Quran is as much
    corrupt. No double standards allowed . The Quranic
    dilemma is getting bigger than you thought.”

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    1. Carl

      Blog post that might help you (by Stew): https://quranandbibleblog.com/2019/02/24/corruption-of-the-scriptures-part-i-does-islam-confirm-the-bible-as-a-scripture-from-god

      This is my understanding: Scriptures, no matter the faith/religion, were written by men. Religious folk tend to assert the divine origins of their scriptures. I call this unfounded. When the Qur’an says, “the God’s words cannot be changed,” they assume by the letter. This is in rational terms nonsense, as how can the God “change” His words? Remember that the Prophet is a walking Qur’an. Scribes tend to make mistakes by ear or by hand. You can see there are numerous reasons why scriptures cann be called obsolete, corrupted, distorted, etc. It is all based on culture, tradition, and how the concept of revelation from higher beings evolved.

      And the Bible? The Prophets did not write/compile a collection of writings that comprise the Bible today. “al-Kitab” does not mean the holy scriptures/books of the Jews and Christians that they have. The present Bible is canonized after numerous councils of bishops and declaration of anathemas to lesser Christian sects. If the Qur’an would have mentioned something like “al-Kitab al-Muqqadas” (the holy books), it should have been explicit. But there is only “Kitab” and its cognates. Prophets of the Way of Surrender and Submission don’t write books.

      The Christian you mentioned should explain the meaning of “kitab” in their own words, whether it is the scriptures during the time of the Prophet or the abstraction of the message of tawhid. Peace be upon you.

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    2. stewjo004

      @ Axel

      The response is they have no idea of Quranic vocab. Allah calls His Decrees, His “Word(s)” all the time in the Quran and that is the context of those ayah quoted.

      Examples of Allah calling His Decrees His “Word(s)” and not referring to Scriptures:

      10:19. All of humanity was originally a single nation, but later they fell into arguments about different creeds and ways. If it hadn’t been for a prior Word from your Lord, the judgement would’ve already been passed between them regarding their differences.

      7:137. And I made those who were deemed weak in the past inherit both the east and the west of the land that I blessed. And your Lord’s beautiful Word became complete upon the Children of Israel on account of the patience they had had for years. And I obliterated all that the Pharaoh and his nation had been building and erecting high.

      10:96. Those who your Lord’s Word has passed on will not believe,
      10:97. even if every sign comes to them, until they see the agonizing torment.

      11:110. I gave Moses the Scripture before you, but differences arose about it and if it had not been for a prior Word from your Lord, a Judgement would’ve already been made between them. Though they are in grave doubt about it and it continues to grow.

      17:16. Whenever I decided to destroy a city, I compel and give complete authority to the financially elite, so they create corruption throughout the land; and so as a result My Word is passed and I annihilate that society completely.

      20:129. If it were not for a Word that came before from your Lord, it would have already stuck. But, their time has been set.

      28:63. And those that the Word will come true on will say: “Our Lord, these are the ones we led astray. We led them astray because we ourselves were lost, but now we disown them before You, they didn’t really worship us!”

      Next, he clearly has no idea about his texts issues beyond scribal errors examples include the “lady taken in adultery” (John 7:53–8:11), the ending of Mark’s gospel (16:9-20) and the Johainne Comma (1 John 5:7–8)

      https://www.gotquestions.org/John-7-53-8-11.html

      https://www.gotquestions.org/Mark-16-9-20.html

      Finally, always remember all kuffar are retarded.

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  3. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Hey dude. How authentic is the story of safiyya’s (May Allah be pleased with her) husband kinana being tortured for not revealing the location of the treasure to the prophet peace and blessings upon him

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  4. foued190

    Salam aleykoum brothers , I have a genuine question .Why are Christians calling the Prophet ﷺ a Warlord and are saying that Islam promotes violence when in the OT many Prophets participated in Battles and Jesus in Numbers 31 and 1 Samuel 15 2-3 orders to commit a genocide and the killing of babies and Women ? The OT is considered scripture for Christians, right ?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Foued

      Walakum salam,

      Yes the Christians “loosely” consider the Hebrew Bible “canon” (mostly to prove Isa(as)) But they have always been uncomfortable with the text which is why certain Gnostic groups discarded it as written by a diffrent divine being.

      As for why they insult the Prophet ﷺ that’s because they’re hypocrites, inconsistent and generally ignorant of their text and what it teaches like Allah says in Baqarah:

      2:78. Among them are ‘illiterate’ ones who don’t know the Scripture except for wishful thinking. They’re only making guesses and assuming.

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  5. stewjo004

    @foued

    Yes there was the whole OT version of God being vindictive as well as a host of other issues (they’re quite frankly two different books entirely)

    “One of the things that set Gnosticism apart from the other varieties of early Christianity was its astonishing creation myth, an interpretation of the creation myth of Genesis that practically turns that Old Testament text upside down…To very briefly summarize that underlying model: God the Father gave rise to a host of spiritual beings (“aeons“) who populated Heaven (which the Gnostics called the Pleroma, “Fullness”), including a divine Mother and Christ. One of the last of these beings to emanate from the Father, Sophia, gave birth to a new being on her own, without the involvement of her partner or the approval of the Father. The being born under such circumstances was nothing like the perfect inhabitants of the Pleroma; instead, he was ignorant and malevolent. This was the demiurge, “craftsman,” whom the Gnostics identified with the god of the Old Testament. He created the material world to mirror his own wicked personality and trapped sparks of divinity, fragments of the Pleroma, within humans. It was then up to Christ to awaken humans to their true nature and liberate them from the world.”

    https://gnosticismexplained.org/the-gnostic-creation-myth/

    So yes even early in their history, the various sects were always “ehhhh…” about the Hebrew Bible.

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  6. astroboy

    A non-muslim said Quran says that Muhammad(saw) was a sinner, non-muslim quoted this verse
    [Quran 48:1-3]–> Lo! We have given thee (O Muhammad) a signal victory, (1) That Allah may forgive thee of thy sin that which is past and that which is to come, and may perfect His favour unto thee, and may guide thee on a right path, (2) And that Allah may help thee with strong help – (3)

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    1. stewjo004

      @astroboy

      Kaffir has to define “sinner”. If he means did he never make a mistake then no Muslims don’t believe that. We believe it’s possible for him to make a wrong decision on a situation that’s ruling hasn’t yet been revealed by Allah but do we think he or the rest of the prophets are idol-worshipping, incest having, genocidal, lying, blasphemous, drunkards that their book attributes to them.

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  7. astroboy

    Jesus said ‘I am Alpha and omega’ and he also said that he is ‘lord of sabbath’ does it means he is God? [ Christians use these to prove Jesus is God]
    Can you tell me about Melkizedek? I think it is also written in Bible that he has no end and no beginning

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      “Jesus said ‘I am Alpha and omega’ and he also said that he is ‘lord of sabbath’ does it means he is God? [ Christians use these to prove Jesus is God]”

      the atheists says that the universe is alpha and omega, like the polytheists and atheists of the past, they give Allahs attributes to things which are in need and contained.

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      1. @Astroboy, Even if we take it at face value, it could still be interpreted in different ways id est it doesn’t necessarily mean Jesus is the alpha and omega videlicet the beginning and the end in the same context as god

        For example it could be interpreted as jesus being the first and the last to be resurrected directly by god as he will do the rest by his *given* powers

        Or Jesus could be the beginning and the end in terms of his role as the centrality for forgiveness id est that cleansing of sins starts and ends at believing that Jesus died on the cross

        There are other possible interpretations, why stick to one and insist that we believe in that one when the verse is nebulous

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      2. “There are other possible interpretations, why stick to one and insist that we believe in that one when the verse is nebulous”

        I’m alluding Christians ofc and not you

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    2. stewjo004

      @astroboy

      Responses are as follows:

      1. Isa(as) never said he is the Alpha and Omega
      Isa(as) did not speak Greek, this tale is written by an anonymous author claiming to have a “vision” of Isa(as). THe entirety of the Book of Revelation is a diss track to Rome.

      2. Isa(as) never claimed to be the “Lord of the Sabbath”, this is one of their corruptions. He said in reality the Sabbath was made for humans, not humans for the Sabbath (and this fits the context of the story better):

      “Second, those who are linguists among us can translate the Greek sayings of Jesus back into Aramaic, and sometimes – this is very much worth noting – they actually make better sense in Aramaic than they do in Greek. This does not necessarily show that such sayings were actually said by Jesus, but it does show that the sayings originally circulated in Aramaic-speaking Palestine, that is, that they are very ancient sayings that may well go back to Jesus himself. My favorite illustration again comes from Mark, where Jesus justifies his disciples’ actions when they violate Jewish traditions about (not) working (for food) on the Sabbath. Jesus informs his Jewish opponents, “Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” When you look at that saying closely and try to figure it out, in fact it doesn’t actually make sense. What is the “Therefore” there for? Why does the fact that Sabbath was created for the benefit of humans, not humans for the benefit of the Sabbath make the Son of man (Jesus) the Lord of the Sabbath?

      The saying does make sense when put back into Aramaic, however. That’s because “man” and “son of man” are the same term in Aramaic; bar enash. And so what Jesus said was “Sabbath was made for bar enash, not bar enash for the Sabbath. Therefore bar enash is lord even of the Sabbath.” Now the saying makes perfect sense. Humans are lords of the Sabbath, not the other way around. Human need takes priority over the commandment not to work on the Sabbath.”
      https://ehrmanblog.org/jesus-teaching-in-aramaic-and-the-books-of-the-canon-mailbag-february-24-2017/

      3. Melchizedek is supposed to be a priest who made dua for Ibrahim(as). Probably a forged story that was created to give validity to the priesthood and tithes connected with the Second Temple.

      https://www.google.com/books/edition/Abraham/i3Z3BwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA56&printsec=frontcover

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  8. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Hey dude this isn’t a usual question but does it really matter whether or not religion should be in harmony with science? I mean religion’s purpose is to instill well purpose and give meaning to our universe. So should it matter that the details it provides should be in harmony with science?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ ibn Mumthaz

      I mean…they are different fields. If the religion is making a declarative wrong statement that is wrong it’s problematic. If it’s like poetic language then no big deal. Science is just making sense of observable phenomena which by its very nature can’t explain something like the ghayb.

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  9. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Would these Christians stop the whole “if the Quran confirms the gospel given to ‘eesa pbuh then why question Christianity” or ” oh but the Quran endorses and confirms the Bible tho!”. The Quran clearly says that it came to confirm and CORRECT the previous scriptures.

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  10. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    And plus it should be very clear to them at this point that the injeel in the Quran Is NOT the Bible today. The Bible is a library of books that are just heretical fanfiction of what was originally revealed.

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  11. Yesterday/Today marked the anniversary of the first battle of Islam, the battle of Badr…May Allah bless our Martyrs

    1) Sayyiduna ‘Umayr ibn Abi Waqas. رضي الله عنه
    2) Sayyiduna Safwan ibn Wahb. رضي الله عنه
    3) Sayyiduna Dhu-Shimalayn ibn ‘Abdi. رضي الله عنه
    4) Sayyiduna Mihja’ ibn Salih. رضي الله عنه
    5) Sayyiduna ‘Aqil bin al-Bukayr. رضي الله عنه
    6) Sayyiduna ‘Ubaydah ibn al-Harith. رضي الله عنه
    7) Sayyiduna Sa’ad ibn Khaythama. رضي الله عنه
    8) Sayyiduna Mubashir ibn ‘Abd al-Mundhir. رضي الله عنه
    9) Sayyiduna Harithah ibn Suraqah. رضي الله عنه
    10) Sayyiduna Rafi’ ibn Mu’ala. رضي الله عنه
    11) Sayyiduna ‘Umayr ibn Humam. رضي الله عنه
    12) Sayyiduna Yazid ibn al-Harith. رضي الله عنه
    13) Sayyiduna Mu’awidh ibn al-Harith. رضي الله عنه
    14) Sayyiduna ‘Awf ibn al-Harith. رضي الله عنه

    Those to whom people said, ‘the people have gathered against you, ‘therefore fear them; but this increased their faith and said, ‘Allah is sufficient for us and what an excellent Disposer of Affairs.Hence, they returned with a favour from Allah and His Bounty, no evil touched them and followed the pleasure of Allah. And Allah is of great, Bounty. (Surah Al-Imran, 173-174)

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  12. caliph ibn mumthaz

    @ shah rukh khan
    Assalaamu alaikum. I wanted you to clear my doubts about the prophets peace and blessings upon him marriage to zaynab binth jahsh may Allah be pleased with her. Mainly around the accusations that surround their marriage like the prophet falling in love with her astaghfirullah.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaynab_bint_Jahsh
    Her you can check out the accusations ypurself. Ik this is old news but for some reason my heart wont rest. Can you refute it in detail and with evidence?
    Jazakallahu khair.

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    1. Im sorry dear I’m just not available rn otherwise you already I’m generally glad to help, please don’t be angry, I apologize, it’s just that my mental health has gotten worse rn and I’m constantly heavily anxious so I can’t focus on anything properly

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      1. Vaqas Rehman

        @Shah Rukh Khan

        I know what it feels like to have deteriorating mental heath and high anxiety. Take all the time you need to sort things out if they can be sorted out. Just remember you are not alone in your struggles. You of course have Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala, who I pray helps you in your time of need. But you also have us. Granted we’re random people on a blog site but you have us nonetheless. I hope what I said helped even a little and if anything I said made you feel worse, know that was not my intention and I humbly apologize.

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      2. Caliph ibn mumthaz

        @ Shah rukh khan
        No I’m not angry. Please take as much time as ya need brother. May Allah grant you ease and dispose your affairs. Ameen

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      3. @Vaqas “who I pray helps you in your time of need. ”

        Ameen brother

        “I said made you feel worse, know that was not my intention and I humbly apologize.”

        Not at all brother, I’m grateful infact…it makes me feel better that someone (especially you) cares and is praying for me, it always means a lot especially for a lonely person, but also a lot more during times like these…please always remember me in your dua…thank you brother

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  13. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    Hey can anyone please clarify my doubts in my recent post about zaynab May Allah be pleased with her. You can go through the wiki article as that contains some of my concerns and some other accusations such as the prophet peace and blessings upon him using those ayat for his own benefit astaghfirullah. Furthermore, one of my concerns is him marrying her without any witnesses or a guardian. Some might (astaghfirullah) use this as evidence that the prophet peace and blessings upon him fell in love with her, etc. Can anyone please clarify all of my doubts insha Allah.
    Jazakallahu khair

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    1. stewjo004

      Well let’s break down the arguments from the article:

      1. “Being the wife of an adopted son, she was unlawful to the Prophet, but a pretended revelation…settled the difficulty, and Muḥammad married her.”

      According to whom? Where is it written in Islam that the adoped child is haram? Heck according to their text where is this written to be haram?

      2.” This relaxation of the moral law for Muhammad’s benefit, because he was a prophet, shows how easy the divorce between religion and morality becomes in Islám.”

      Again whose law is this? Morality is completely a subjective thing both Egyptians and Persians married their mothers or sisters sp what basis do they have outside of culture/religion to criticize? Also, this person’s ramble makes no sense how does this “divorce religion from morality”?

      3. “But we learn the same lesson from all such investigations, and that is how completely Muḥammad adapted his pretended revelations to what he believed to be the need of the moment. …the explanations afforded by the Commentators and the Traditions, will prove that Muḥammad’s own character and disposition have left their mark upon the moral law of Islâm and upon the Qur’ân itself…at Medina he seems to have cast off all shame; and the incidents connected with his marital relations, more especially the story of his marriage with Zainab the wife of his adopted son Zaid, and his connexion with Mary the Coptic slave-girl, are sufficient proof of his unbridled licentiousness and of his daring impiety in venturing to ascribe to GOD Most High the verses which he composed to sanction such conduct.””

      First off Tisdall is using one version, next there are plenty of moral laws in Madinah, again as Tisdall is a missionary where is his proof from his text this is haram? (also see points 1 and 2 bout “who’s law”?)

      So nobody is really saying anything, moving on the Prophet(saw) didn’t marry any of his wives if I recall with a witness or guardian so that is not something unique to Zaynab(ra). Regarding “falling in love with her” the first point is, and? Generally speaking people like people they marry. Ignoring that the incident of “seeing her and falling in love” makes no sense as no women covered when he married Zaynab(ra) and she was his cousion so we can safely assumme they saw each other in basic interactions. Allah says very clearly what happeneed in the Quran:

      “When you said to the man who was favored by Allah as well as you: “Hold on tight to your wife and stay God-fearing,” you hid in yourself, what Allah would later reveal because you were afraid of the people, but it’s more fitting that you fear Allah. When Zaid no longer wanted to be with her, I gave her to you in marriage sSO THAT IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT FOR THE BELIEVERS RO MARRY THEIR ADOPTED SONS EX-WIVES who they were no longer intimate with. ALLAH’S COMMANDS MUST BE CARRIED OUT. The Prophet is not at fault for what Allah has decreed on him. This was Allah’s way with those who came before and Allah’s command will be fulfilled. (33:37-38)

      Long story short: Allah does not care about your cultural practices when it comes to His laws. They do not change because you all made things up one day. Prophet, you know break this as an example. Thank you, everyone, and good night”

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  14. Ramadan mubarak guys!

    Ya’ll, I wish to ask God Almighty To Make Kuwait be the first Islamic State and I wish to ask God Almighty To Make all Muslim countries especially Pakistan and Iran to lash anyone that commits pedophilia, flog anyone that commits Antisemitism and execute anyone that commits incest, bestiality, necrophilia or rape. Because, I’m sick and tired to see people falsely and dishonestly accuse Prophet Muhammad of such things. And I wish to ask God Almighty To execute any Muslim that murders an innocent non-Muslim civilian that lives under a Muslim ruler whether he is a Muslim King, Muslim Queen, Muslim president, Emir or Caliph. And I wish to ask God Almighty To Make all Muslim countries to execute anyone that commits terrorism.

    Since myself as individual, it is impossible to do this, I prefer to let God Almighty handle these things so I can mind my works and business.

    My intention of asking this is also so I can defend the Muslim Ummah from non-Muslims

    My questions which I wish to ask are:

    1. Is it possible to make this wish to be realistic?

    2. Is this wish realistic or irrealsitic?

    3. If it is irrealsitic, then why it is irrealistic?

    Jazakalakhair

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  15. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Jazakallahu khair. I have one question tho. Why was zaynab may Allah be pleased with her was distinguished to be given in marriage to the prophet peace and blessings upon him? What’s the overall wisdom behind the whole thing and why was adoption the point of the decision? The reason I’m asking is that the kuffar might question why adoption was the issue and might still see it as the prophet peace and blessings upon him issuing verses for his own benefit astaghfirullah. Can you clarify it in detail? You take as much time as ya need.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ibn Mumthaz

      Maybe you can explain more what you’re not understanding? I just explained one wisdom: “Long story short: Allah does not care about your cultural practices when it comes to His laws. They do not change because you all made things up one day.”

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  16. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    I understand that. What I’m concerned is as to why adoption is the subject of revelation. The kuffar might see this as evidence that Muhammad peace and blessings upon him is being opportunistic and was doing it for his own benefit astaghfirullah. To them it would be weird and suspicious that a topic arbitrary like adoption would be the subject of revelation. Can you cite further wisdom so that I would be firm in faith? I’m sorry if this is a bit annoying but I want to remain firm so this would be very helpful. Jazakallahu khair.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ibn Mumthaz

      Easy:

      1. Adoption is hardly an arbitrary topic. It affects many rulings like inheritance, bloodline, etc in a family unit which is a foundation of society as a whole. Allah legislates a variety of things from finances to even how to use the restroom so adoption being discussed is not weird.

      Long story short, it can never make someone your actual blood. This concept of adoption stems from the Romans, not Allah:

      “Adoption that is practiced in modern secular society derives from Roman Law. The secular procedure for adoption involves the removal of all rights and responsibilities from the biological parents, which are then transferred onto the adoptive parent/s. Judaism contrasts to Roman Law, in that the adoptive parents do not entirely replace the role of the biological parents.[5] Jewish Law aligns closer with British Common Law, within which the importance of royal bloodlines and class meant that an adoption procedure was never introduced.[4] Similarly, in Judaism, genealogy determines the status of the child, which cannot be removed by a legal procedure.[4]”
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_in_Judaism

      Allah never legislated this practice which is why He says in the ayah “…This was Allah’s way with those who came before and Allah’s command will be fulfilled.” (33:38)

      2. This incident is proof that revelation is more important than culture. For example in my culture in the US we basically NEVER marry our cousins. ow if my son wanted to marry his cousin should he get a stigma placed on him? No, because Allah has allowed it and He does not care what we think.

      3. Even though he (Sallah hu alahi wa salam) benefitted(which is debatable), so what? There was no need to go through an elaborate lie he could have just married her at the start of the whole thing.

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      1. foued190

        Salam aleykoum brothers , What do you think of the arguments of Christians that Isaiah 53 prophecies Jesus ?

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      1. neither god or the servant say that the servant is god forsaken
      2. the servant is not sinless
      3, the servant offers a sacrifice for his own sins

      quote:
      Perhaps I misunderstood where you were going with this. So let me clarify what I was trying to explain.

      Yes, according to what the correct understanding of the Hebrew text is, and what the credible Jewish translations convey, the servant committed sins that required a guilt-offering (asham) – we’ve described such sins elsewhere on this forum. The thing is, however, that Christians follow their translations and commentaries, and generally reject the Jewish perspective. So for them, the servant was sinless, but he took on the sins of the people and died for them in order to redeem the sinners.

      The point I’m getting at is that we easily and credibly refute the Christian perspective on “Isaiah 53”, but it generally doesn’t change the minds of Christian believers, because they reject the Jewish perspective. So, it works for Jews and Noahides, but generally not for Christians.

      UriYosef

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