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  1. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Oh okay. In my view I think it has something to do with fulfilling the prophecy about a messenger from among the brothers of children of Israel but Allahu alim.
    I’ve recently read your guys discussion on the masked Arab Alexander romance vid and I thought to make this point. Even if ‘eesa alaiyhissalaam was called The word of Allah in the Quran ( AFAIK there is no evidence for this claim as ‘eesa was consistently called a word from God) Muslims can still argue that it doesn’t make him God nor does it justify worshipping him as such since he lacks other divine attributes. BTW, the whole point of the clay bird miracle being an allusion to golems created by israelite rabbis and prophets as demonstration of being taught by God makes alot of sense as I always wondered why ‘eesa’s defining miracles was constructing a clay bird specifically.
    Also seriously what in the heck does it mean that golems are just “allegorical”. It is clear they are actual creations and are literal. Idk why that crosstian thinks its allegorical. Allegorical for…… What?

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  2. caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Hey dude, what is the ruling on women participating in jihad and what are the rulings that apply only to the descendants of the prophet muhammad peace and blessings upon him? As in what are the rulings that are different to them to the exception of all others?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Ibn Mumthaz

      Regarding women, generally speaking, they wouldn’t be in combat roles. If you look at instances during the seerah when they fought is was usually out of necessity not because they were actively fighting the enemy. Nowadays I would personally say they could do things like drones (or similar), intel or support stuff.

      Regarding descendants, if my memory serves they can’t recieve zakat/sadaqa and they recieve a 1/5th of war booty.

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  3. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I want to be real and authentic Sunni Muslim Scholar of Islam so I can debate with Christian Prince, Ali Sina, Rob Christian, Hatun Tash, Apostate Prophet, Ex-Moose, Jay Smith and other enemies of Islam. What I want to do is to bring their careers to an end once and for all. How am I gonna do? I’m going to make Ali Sina to even feel guilt for attacking Islam and I will make him apologize in front of everyone for lying and attacking Islam.

    I dreamt to be well known Muslim scholar.

    My questions are:

    1. Is this kind of intention is appropriate and valid?

    2. What do I need to know for me to become a real and authentic Sunni Muslim Scholar of Islam?

    3. Is it permissible if I ask God To Allow me to live up to age of 100?

    Jazakalakhair

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Alexander

      1. I would personally change your intent in seeking knowledge to better worship Allah.

      2. Off the top of my head in no order Aqeedah, Hadith, Arabic, Fiqh, Tafseer is a good start on the journey

      3. Go for it and may Allah grant you a long healthy life

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  4. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Hey dude, ik you said ya don’t know the answer but I’m having alot of doubts about the whole women’s lacking in religious commitment and reason hadith, the whole one man could be let astray by one of you thing. This creates alot of doubts and very blasphemous thoughts about the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings upon him. Can you please find someone who would clarify the issues for me?
    Jazakallahu khair

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  5. caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Hey dude, im wondering on how we can respond to the kuffar who are claiming that islam allows or endorses sex slavery? Also if you did encounter the kuffar who are parroting those claims, what is the evidence they quote?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Ibn Mumthaz

      Easy the onus is on the opponent to prove we do. As for what they’ll probably throw out is right-hand possessions but as discussed concubinage is not sex slavery. I would then follow up with the hadith proving that they can’t be raped for my coup de grace.

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      1. Mikhail of the rightly guided caliphate

        @ stew
        Assalaamu alaikum
        Dude, im curious as to the hadith, can you kindly quote it for me?
        This question is also related with the thpught experiment but what would be the goal in terms of our religion if a caliphate expand into space? Other than meeting ETs ( which in my personal opinion is pretty unlikely given we only discovered a small perecent of space as a whole. Think of a rain drop compared to the enire ocean but you can take any position or interpretation of the fermi paradox), how would expanding into space serve our religious interests? What about the questions of certain rulings that pretain to earth?
        Sprry if i sound abit serious but im just really invested in the thought experiment.

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      2. stewjo004

        @ Mikail

        And Safiyya bint ‘Ubaid said:
        “A governmental male-slave tried to seduce a slave-girl from the Khumus of the war booty till he deflowered her by force against her will; therefore ‘Umar flogged him according to the law, and exiled him, but he did not flog the female slave because the male-slave had committed illegal sexual intercourse by force, against her will.”
        https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6949

        If we’re expanding to space it would be like any other civilization resources, strategic positions, etc

        Idk what you mean by certain rulings pertaining to earth

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      3. stewjo004

        @ tony

        I think the brother should stick to Quran reciting and not get into things out of his pay grade. Let’s bring up the ayah:

        Whoever doesn’t have the financial means to marry a free believing woman may then marry a believing woman that your right hand possess. God knows about your state of faith, (as) you are all one…But once they’re brought into the fortress of marriage, if they commit the shameless act of an affair, then give them half the punishment of an unmarried free woman. This ˹rule˺ is for those of you who fear the great harm of a sin coming your way, however it’s better for you to practice self-restraint and be patient because God is the Most Forgiving and Forever Merciful. (4:25)

        The easiest way to shut this down new interpretation is the ayah before what he quoted:

        You may also not marry women who are already married with the exception of women whom your right hand posseses…” (4:24)

        Pause. So I can marry a Muslim slave girl that is married already? Also, Allah said it’s better to marry a free woman over a slave and that you can marry them but better to wait? But everybody according to him is a wife so why is that? The reality is many of these slave women were former prostitutes (Q.24:33) What Allah was encouraging was instead of going to commit zina go buy a slave girl who became a Muslim and go marry and free her. Her being a former slave basically any living conditions you provide is a come up for her. These women were being integrated into society.

        Furthermore ignoring this we have a multitude of ahadith that clearly show they were taken from war or slaves previously (examples Maria, Rayhana, Ali’s third son etc.) So this is clear revisionism. Is he seriously arguing Muslims for over 1000+ years don’t know what concubines are? The problem is we in modern times don’t understand the status/honor of a woman being a “wife”. Concubines are basically in their rawest form side chicks. I spend a couple dollars on her, but she’s not my wife nor does she have the same rights over me. it’s basically a middle stage between a nonmahram woman and a wife.

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  6. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, as future Sunni Muslim Scholar of Islam, I wish to have a live chat conference with all Muslim rulers so can give a glorious image to Islam. And I really want to prove to people that Prophet Muhammad is truly The Excellent Model.

    And the reason I do this is because, also our ancestors used verses and narrations as means of proof.

    My interpretation of Islam would be based on moderation and on the title “The Excellent Model” from I don’t know what verse of Quran. Because, I believe in moderation and NOT in extremism.

    My questions are:

    1. How do Muslim scholars seek help from Muslim rulers for whatever projects they have?

    2. Do I need to go to a Muslim Embassy for me as Muslim scholar to get in touch with any Muslim ruler?

    3. Is this kind of interpretation a valid one?

    4. Does my interpretation negates my faith?

    5. Do all Muslim rulers have Skype?

    6. If I go to a Muslim Embassy and ask for the Skype of a Muslim ruler, would I be granted this so I can get in touch? When I say Muslim Embassy, I mean Embassy of Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Nigeria, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Yemen, United Arab Emirates, Libiyah and Pakistan.

    7. Would like this be the end of terrorism? If no, then what can I do so I can be the End of Terrorism?

    Jazakalakhair

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Alexander

      My questions are:

      1. Usually connections but as a warning, most Muslim scholars were heavy against becoming cozy with the rulers.

      2. Same connections (and offering something valuable to gain their attention)

      3. Yep perfectly valid the deen is very big on moderation and balance.

      4. No

      5. No idea

      6. Doubt it

      7. Probably not. Increase religious knowledge, open up better economic opportunities, unnify against aggressive foreign policies

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  7. foued190

    Wa aleykum Salam ahki ,here are some articles clarifying this Hadith :
    Are women deficient in intelligence & religion? Explaining that hadith.
    “..You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands.” https://sunnah.com/bukhari/6/9
    These articles collectively contain enough to explain the hadith comprehensively.
    https://abuaminaelias.com/women-deficient-reason-religion/
    http://en.alukah.net/Shariah/9/9/
    https://www.livingislam.org/k/wiha_e.html
    https://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2009/06/why-hadith-says-that-women-are.html
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/Rebuttal_to_Wiki_Islam_on___Are_Women_Deficient_in_Intelligence__.htm
    There is also this sister who did a Twitter Thread about this Hadith .If you still have issues with the Hadith ,you can DM her :
    https://twitter.com/vansfq/status/1342891632220364800?s=20
    I recommend you brother to check this Drive Folder who is a huge compilation of articles and videos dealing with a lot of allegations against Islam :
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QHuzR1AwFctItMCTuhD6i2FcN96i7djo/view?usp=drivesdk

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      What’s your thought on the second woman being a WITNESS over the woman who slips? Efdawah recently made this point I hadn’t thought of, in other words if she (2nd woman) is simply a “back up witness” on the condition that the first woman slips, then the testimony of just the first woman would be equivalent to the missing man…

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  8. mr.heathcliff

    What are your thoughts on this? If you go to timeline 1:03 the discussion went from “eyewitnneses to the crucifixion ” to what a word in isaiah 53 meant

    Isaiah 53 is a text you can toy around with even today . How is it an evidence though that there were eyewitnesses to the crucifixion?

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        Are people actually justifying this?

        She replies

        Frimet Goldberger
        @FrimetG
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        Replying to
        @TzviChein
        Take a stroll through the comments on my original tweet

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  9. mr.heathcliff

    “Meanwhile, as I said, EVEN IF you wanted to include pre-pubescent girls in this verse, it is STILL NOT an allowance for sex. It is simply giving guidance IN CASE it ever happened. Marriage was often a private matter and people didn’t always follow the law.”

    In one year how many pregnancies r there? I think the verse is talking about pregnant women?

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  10. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I simply hate this life and I wish in Paradise to be wiped out from existence mainly because Osama Bin Laden and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Why? Because, I strongly hate those two and I do not wish to meet them, but in fact, I wish to see them burning in Hellfire for eternity!

    Also, this summer I’m starting to do Quantum Physics, Quantum Chemistry, Quantum Mechanics, IT and Robotics. Because, my intention is to build a time-machine. And the reason I want to do this is because, I want to j

    My questions are:

    1. What does Islam say about building “time-machine”?

    2. Is it true that I need to study Quantum Physics and Astro-Physics fo rme to be able to create time-machine?

    Jazakalakhair

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  11. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    It is quite funny when the kuffar accuse the prophet peace and blessings upon him of being a so-called deviant for the ruling of women offering themselves to him without a dowry when he didn’t even marry any woman offered to him and he didn’t even take advantage of that afaik

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  12. foued190

    As Salam aleykoum brothers , we have some authentic narrations of people saying that they saw the description of the Prophet ﷺ in the Torah . And sometimes very specific description . Why don’t we have those descriptions in the modern day Torah ?

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        reading a few scholarly articles on lost texts does kind of make you think what they had back then, but i think efdawah did cover this question

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      2. Mikail the first of his name, the protector of his people

        @QB
        But I heard there are some descriptions in the modern day torah that only apply to the prophet peace and blessings upon him. I think the more detailed and explicit descriptions are found within some of the gospels like the gospel of barnabas correct me if I’m wrong.

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  13. foued190

    Jazakallah Khairan brothers ! btw I made a Thread refuting the allegation that Waraqa Ibn Nawfal was the teacher of the Prophet ﷺ here :

    Can you tell me what do you think about it ?

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    1. stewjo004

      @Foued

      Being neutral I could argue he(saw) received stories from Waraqa before any declaration of prophethood through oral tradition.

      However, I do think the point that a lot of stuff about Isa(as) is not mentioned is an intriguing point to build off of.

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      1. foued190

        Yeah but you see it’s only based on assumptions .We don’t have any reports about the Prophet ﷺ visiting Waraqa .And as I said , if the Prophet ﷺ took knowledge from him , Waraqa would have doubted his Prophethood. Sahih Bukhari n°3 is a proof that Waraqa wasn’t his teacher . And yeah Jesus is one of the Prophets the least mentioned in the Qur’an and those informations about him came from the apocryphal gospels . And my Sheik told me that Waraqa lived near Mecca but he was isolated from the city. If the Prophet ﷺ had the habit to visit him ,his contemporaries would have used it against him .And so you would believe that the Prophet ﷺ memorized every thing that Waraqa told him without contradicting himself ? There are so many inconsistencies with this theory tbh .

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  14. Mustafa Feroz

    hey guys I have a question that I have thought up and I am having trouble trying to reconcile it,
    basically guys so certein people claim to have visions and dreams of figures, people claim to see Jesus, Mary,Krishna ….. and we as Muslims believe in Qadar (everything happens by the will of Allah) we cannot deny the experiences of people and these are out of their control and if it is the will of Allah then is this not a form of deception as he is showing them wrong guidance as someone will believe in Christ if they have a dream of him

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    1. foued190

      Wa aleykoum Salam ahki ,firstly we don’t know if their testimony are accurate or not and we don’t know the Truthfulness of those people. And many of the testimonies of Christians are weird .They had a vision of Jesus but from the testimonies I heard none of them said that Jesus said that he was God . Also we know that Dreams are influenced by your lives . Some claimed that they saw Jesus AS , Buddha , one of the Hindu Gods etc . And you can’t base the Truthfulness of a religion according to your personal experiences .Because it would mean that every religion is true . I asked this question some weeks ago to the brother Abu Rahma and he told me :

      “2. I’ve seen Prophet Isa (a.s.) thrice and if we go by Christian logic, I should convert as well. There are many Muslims who have seen him and become stronger Muslims from that Imaan boost. I have seen some of these stories; they don’t even mention that they saw him as God or son of God and yet still claim that they became Christian afterwards. This doesn’t make any sense. Most of these stories are outright lies and I highly doubt that even a single one is true. 90% of the ex-Muslims out there are Christians, Hindus, and atheists pretending to be ex-Muslim; they never were Muslim in the first place. Moreover, if Christians start basing their religion on dreams and visions, then some Christians have converted to Islam by a dream and some Hindus have become stronger in their idolatry due to visions and miracles they have witnessed. This line of reasoning is not wise.”

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    2. stewjo004

      @ Mustafa

      As brother Foued said many times they just make this up (seriously whole cornerstone of the Catholic Church doing this)

      But let’s say for argument’s sake they weren’t, we know for a fact that dreams can come from Shaytan:

      Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that Abu Salama ibn Abd ar-Rahman said, “I heard Abu Qatada ibn Ribiyy say that he heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, ‘The good dream is from Allah, and the bad dream is from shaytan. When you see what you dislike, spit to your left side three times when you wake up, and seek refuge with Allah from its evil. It will not harm you then, Allah willing.’ ” Abu Salama said, “I would see dreams which weighed on me more heavily than a mountain. When I heard this hadith, I was not concerned about it.”
      https://sunnah.com/urn/517340

      They could not argue I did shirk because Shaytan tricked me just like how the pagans can’t argue they did shirk because Shaytan tricked them. Yes good and evil come from Allah but He can test others through things like in this case.

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    3. mr.heathcliff

      “we cannot deny the experiences of people and these are out of their control and if it is the will of Allah then is this not a form of deception as he is showing them wrong guidance”

      i think most of the world knows that majority of muslims do not believe that Allah is a form or that He is a created man. The rabbis like rambam say the same thing and todays jews take from the rambam. so the experiences of these people should be tested . if a random man with holes in his hands and feet appears to you and requests worship, would you? if the following day, a woman appears and says that the man with holes in his hands and feet isnt the “true god” but she is, what would the people with experiences do? Allah already has actualised in His qadr test and guidance.

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    4. Vaqas Rehman

      @Mustafa Feroz

      As others have said such dreams can be from their own mind or from the devils. The only possible exception to this is seeing the Prophet Muhammad(s.a.w) in your dreams.

      Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Whoever sees me in a dream has truly seen me, for Satan cannot assume my form.”

      Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6592, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2266

      This hadith should also corroborate the notion that satan can assume the form of other religious figures.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        let me add this into the mix.say a catholic had a marian apparition and was convinced that mary was god. lets say that she says that it couldnt have been from satan because she has experienced persecution for her beliefs and miraculous experiences from mary, how would you deal with such ? she is so emotionally moved by these experiences that she is as convinced as you are of islam. how would one cause such a woman to budge?

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  15. Mustafa Feroz

    thank you guys that is making some sense with all the response but you cant deny that some people do see visions of Christ that they have not made up I am not arguing for the validity of Christianty through these visions rather if allah is allowing this to happen or for a devil to cause such a vision then how is it the fault of the individual for being misguided

    I hope that clears it up a little

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      “thank you guys that is making some sense with all the response but you cant deny that some people do see visions of Christ that they have not made up I am not arguing for the validity of Christianty through these visions rather”

      there are people who have had more visions of mary than jesus. they are so moved by these experiences that mary is there intermediary and savior. visions which call people to the worship of forms,bodies,moving celetial objects need to be questioned.

      15 Since you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire, take care and watch yourselves closely, 16 so that you do not act corruptly by making an idol for yourselves, in the form of any figure—the likeness of male or female,

      15 Since you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire, take care and watch yourselves closely, 16 so that you do not act corruptly by making an idol for yourselves, in the form of any figure—the likeness of male or female, 17 the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, 18 the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth. 19 And when you look up to the heavens and see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of heaven, do not be led astray and bow down to them and serve them, things that the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples everywhere under heaven.

      notice specifically there is mention of moving celestial bodies which the ancients took as god?

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      ” if allah is allowing this to happen or for a devil to cause such a vision then how is it the fault of the individual for being misguided”

      if no guidance come to such people then Allah said:
      , “We never punish until we have sent a Messenger.”
      Allah is also allowing for them to be guided so in his qadr there is test and guidance.

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      1. Mustafa Feroz

        I see and I agree with you brother but who is causing the the vison its out of the persons control right ? so lets say someone brings them the Message of Islam in a appropriate manner but they resist due to the vision of mary that they had that was out of their control and due to the qadar of Allah, can you say that this is fair ?

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        “so lets say someone brings them the Message of Islam in a appropriate manner but they resist due to the vision of mary that they had that was out of their control and due to the qadar of Allah”

        what did the vision of mary give them that they did not already get from the creator of them and mary? did not Allah put this into His qadar? do they resist because they worship their feelings?

        Jeremiah 2:5New International Version (NIV)
        5 This is what the Lord says:
        “What fault did your ancestors find in me,
        that they strayed so far from me?
        They followed worthless idols
        and became worthless themselves.

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      3. @Mustafa Feroz,

        You said: “…..validity of Christianty through these visions rather if allah is allowing this to happen or for a devil to cause such a vision then how is it the fault of the individual for being misguided”

        I may sound like I’m repeating myself again and again but I feel it’s needed to get the the point across, I want you to ponder on what I’ve written below

        1. “Truth” in the sense of which religion is the correct one depends on logic and reasoning and not on dreams and visions

        2. Logic and reasoning is applied to both the theoretical and to some degree the empirical aspect of the concerned religion

        3. A true religion from God is supposed to provide certainty to our skepticism (open minded skepticism I must say) and it shouldn’t be flawed or contradictory otherwise It wouldn’t make sense to throw an atheist or christian in hell when the theoretical and empirical structure of the religion is flawed.

        4. To make it short, logically speaking a religion from God should be logically PERFECT, does christianity or hinduism satisfy that criteria? No they don’t ergo that alone is proof they’re not true religions from God

        5.To reiterate myself, the reason we’re (me and ESPECIALLY you) Muslims as we speak and not Christian and Hindus right now is due to the fact that we find flaws and contradictions in Christianity and Sanatan Dharma

        6. In our belief Jinns can come in our dreams in various forms, I suppose you already know this judging from your quoted post

        7. If someone claims to be Jesus in my dream it DOESN’T NECESSARILY imply that it’s Jesus…I guess we agree on this as well

        8. In my dreams if that “Jesus” is somehow saying things or doing things affirming christianity then it’s either simply my mind playing tricks or it’s a Jinn….so far so good we have common ground

        9. Why assume/believe it’s a jinn? Because it’s inviting me to a religion which I wouldn’t accept through logic and reasoning alone ergo imperfect

        10. As I already pointed out it’s *not necessary* for us to believe in them, it’s just a form of test among the many nor is Allah to be blamed coz at the end of the day it’s up to us to use our intelligence and common sense

        11. If we (as Muslims) already know religion X is flawed yet we convert to it due to the dream/vision then obviously we’re the ones to be blamed for being ridiculous and not Allah

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      4. “11. If we (as Muslims) already know religion X is flawed yet we convert to it due to the dream/vision then obviously we’re the ones to be blamed for being ridiculous and not Allah”

        @Mustafa Feroz If it’s too long, then that’s the only part you need to care about….sorry for typing so much I just wanted to clear your mind in one go

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  16. Mustafa Feroz

    I get what you are saying but my point boils down to this why would Allah give them a vision of something that is clearly false

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      Do people think once they say, “We believe,” that they will be left without being put to the test? … We certainly tested those before them

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    2. mr.heathcliff

      “why would Allah give them a vision of something that is clearly false”
      do people like to put their trust in other than Allah and wish to seek other than Him?
      do people like to have experiences of mary because their relationship with Allah is not good ?

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  17. mr.heathcliff

    “vision of mary that they had that was out of their control ”
    when the dajjal appears, he will try to convince people that he is god almighty, if God was not merciful enough , He would never have warned about dajjal and never revealed that there is nothing like unto Him. So why did Allah put all these warnings in His qadr?

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    1. Mustafa Feroz

      so you are saying that the visions they see are due to their own making and desires rather than from Allah and Allah is giving true guidence through his revelation and authentic sunnah

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        “so you are saying that the visions they see are due to their own making”
        where did i say “due to their own making”
        Allah brought into existence everything, even the visions, but at the same time He out of His mercy gave His guidance and warnings, so why in the qadr of Allah He put in His guidance and warnings?

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    2. Mustafa Feroz

      because I know a lot of missionarys whom want to see Jesus will spend weeks deciving themselves conjuring things about Jesus and thinking about him all day till he appears in a dream to them

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        “because I know a lot of missionarys whom want to see Jesus will spend weeks deciving themselves conjuring things about Jesus and thinking about him all day till he appears in a dream to them”

        satanists do the same with satan, so what is your point ? they are prostituting their hearts to creatures who were dependent on God almighty.

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        “because I know a lot of missionarys whom want to see Jesus will spend weeks deciving themselves”

        quote:
        God asks Israel; what were you missing in your worship of Me? What joy did you not find in your relationship with Me? And this is the question that the Jew asks the Church. Why do we need Jesus? What does Jesus have to offer to us that God didn’t already give us? What will we find in Jesus that we don’t have in God? What are we missing when we love God as David did before us? What can we be missing? Can you add anything on to God?

        when a guy says to them “no one is good but god ALONE” then why would not GOD write these polytheists off?

        ” conjuring things about Jesus and thinking about him all day till he appears in a dream to them”

        quote:
        God asks Israel; what were you missing in your worship of Me? What joy did you not find in your relationship with Me? And this is the question that the Jew asks the Church. Why do we need Jesus? What does Jesus have to offer to us that God didn’t already give us? What will we find in Jesus that we don’t have in God? What are we missing when we love God as David did before us? What can we be missing? Can you add anything on to God?

        when a guy says to them “no one is good but god ALONE” then why would not GOD write these polytheists off?

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  18. Mustafa Feroz

    ok maybe i am missing something but if Allah swt is causing the visions but also providing guidence is that not a contradictory narrative that is being provided should visions of false beliefs just not be possible to be had by Allahs swt will

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  19. mr.heathcliff

    “ok maybe i am missing something but if Allah swt is causing the visions”

    Allah brought into existence everything, but he also told you that immortal and mortal is not the same thing.

    “but also providing guidence is that not a contradictory narrative”

    christianity itself is a contradition and quran says again and again that it is not true. it is falsehood.
    does a man who walked the earth and needed oxygen to breath is God almighty?

    the man who needed his mother to look after him and birth him, was god almighty?

    can you tell me how that is a contradictory narrative?

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  20. stewjo004

    @ Mustafa

    1. You are doing a hypothetical scenario, not a realistic one. No non-Muslims listens and agrees to some points in dawah and then goes “Oh nope I had that dream one time”. What will happen is they will slowly lose confidence in this stupid dream because again it’s not based on anything. As I said before this person in what you’re proposing would have never believed no matter what period point-blank. A person’s entire theological beliefs is not based on a single dream. This straight-up doesn’t happen.

    2. A person is ONLY misguided by Allah if they were going to be disobedient and corrupt as He says in the Quran:

    “…He only misguides those who are disobedient and corrupt.” (2:26)

    Yes, Allah causes all things but He still tests people. And in this case, He allowed them to be tested through Shaytan. For example, let’s look at the Dajjal. The dude does miracles etc and claims to be a god, are those people who follow him still held accountable? Yes, they are because in their fitra they know this is wrong and a lie. Same with Bani Israel, after they made the golden Calf Allah caused the wind to blow so it mooed thus “proving” to them the golden Calf was “the god of Musa”. Allah tested those people of Bani Israel into worshipping the golden calf because those people were already evil and corrupt so now it’s been made manifest and thus the punishment on them was due.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      “Yes, they are because in their fitra they know this is wrong and a lie”

      hello stew

      its like nobody came with a warning or provided a warning again and again, and when it is said Allah in his mercy and qadr already provided warning and guidance, they still say , but he also created a vision where iblees said worship me . but he told you out of his mercy and love there is nothing like him

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  21. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    I mean sometimes dreams can inform of one what is the true religion ( which is Islam) in the form of giving them glad tidings.
    https://islamqa.info/en/145589
    But I do agree with you in that it can’t be used as an Objective criteria of whtehr a specific religion is true or not. I mean the hadith of the shaytan can’t take the shape of the prophet peace and blessings upon him is already proof that the religious figures people see in their dreams are actually the shaytan tricking them

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    1. stewjo004

      @Ibn Mumthaz

      The lady even in the link above did not become Muslim off her dream:

      ” First of all, I want to say that I am a Roman Catholic and I do not know much about Islam. ”

      So she still has not accepted Islam as the true religion, this dream has simply sparked her interest into seeing if it is. May Allah guide her but MANY things could possibly go wrong at this point and she is not sold (not including things that can go wrong after conversion). As I said people’s ENTIRE theological positions are not shaped by a single dream.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        “What will happen is they will slowly lose confidence in this stupid dream because again it’s not based on anything. As I said before this person in what you’re proposing would have never believed no matter what period point-blank”

        you dont need to have a dream or chase after dreams, look at mike licona, he is troubled by the ot and metaphorisizes stories in the nt to keep faith in his belief that immortal god died and rose.

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        arguments from martyrdom:

        This version typically stems from a belief that the message being conveyed is one that makes people hostile because of its truth. This usage was originally coined by “Tinker Grey”, a secular member of Christian Forums[3] who saw that refuting an argument of a member who was under the impression that other members hated them resulted in a bolstering of their confidence in their refuted argument.

        The argument is reportedly popular with Christians as the Bible says to expect persecution for your beliefs, and that persecution indicates you are right (e.g., Matthew 5:11-12):

        “”Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
        (And lots more.[4])

        Personal certainty
        This usage is the argument that Christianity (or, for that matter Islam[5] or whatever) is true because people would not martyr themselves for it if it were false, sometimes presented in the rhymed statement that martyrs wouldn’t “die for a lie”. Thus, the martyrs’ assumed personal certainty is being advanced as evidence for a proposition.

        This usage precedes the “Galileo gambit” usage[note 1] and in Christianity it goes back to the 2nd/3rd century Church father TertullianWikipedia who claimed that “the blood of the martyrs is seed”, i.e. that the examples of martyrs dying for the Christian faith would convince others that Christians must be on to something that good.[7] Tertullian also spawned the branch of history known as Christian martyrology.Wikipedia[8]

        Argument from personal certainty is trivially false: throughout history, many people have died in the service of provable lies. More generally, if you consider the number of people who died for mutually contradictory ideas (e.g. from different religions or over doctrinal disputes), it is likely that most people who died for an idea were actually wrong. As this is a common argument, detailed refutations have been compiled.[9]

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  22. I have two questions:

    1. Who was Dhul-Qarnayn? Was he Alexander the Great, Cyrus the Great or someone else?

    2. Is there any basis for the doctrine of isma? I honestly have a hard time accepting it because why would Moses ask for forgiveness for himself and Aaron in 7:151?

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  23. Atlas

    Salam aleykum everyone.
    I have a question.
    Do any of you brothers know where to buy hadith books of good quality for a reasonable price?
    I have been searching for some time but I don’t find some of the sites I visit to be realiable.
    I’m kinda surprised how difficult it is to get my hands on them.
    For example:
    Is this a site you would recommend to buy from and what about the price? I want exactly the cover that you see in the pictures. For some reason I REALLY like the exterior of a book.
    Can a brother help me out pls?
    https://darussalam.com/sahih-al-bukhari-9-vol-set/

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  24. foued190

    Salam aleykoum ahkis ,there is a Christian in Twitter who said that it’s easy for terrorist groups to justify their actions because of the quotes of the Salaf .While you can’t interpret the words of “Christ ” to be violent . What do you think about it ?

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      Luke 12:47

      Luke 12:47
      New Revised Standard Version
      47 That slave who knew what his master wanted, but did not prepare himself or do what was wanted, will receive a severe beating.

      these real life examples were given for what reason?
      refusing to follow instructions. 2. not having authority
      the parable only works if one in authority rightfully beats his slaves for disobedience….

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    2. stewjo004
      1. foued190

        Thanks brother ! May Allah bless you .Just a last thing .Can you tell what do you think of this thread by this Murtadd ? He’s trying to do a comparison between the violence in the OT and the Qu’ran:

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      2. mr.heathcliff

        christians who left reviews of thom starks book “gods human face” said exactly the same thing 10 yrs ago. thom stark addressed the shit this filthy kafir is repeating.

        http://humanfacesofgod.com/?page_id=41

        yes, yhwh waged war on a people because of land grabbing, grudge and greed

        just read the reviews

        these were OFFENSIVE wars on a people who got no DIVINE guidance from god

        torah brutality was applied on infants and inborn even though they were non jews

        muhammad vs the three triplets

        muhammad wins

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      3. Caliph ibn mumthaz

        @stew
        Hey dude what is the ruling on using dna testing or advanced technology in cases like zina, etc. The reason I’m asking is that my Islam teacher told me that we can’t use dna testing, camera footage in proving zina and that only 4 male witnesses can only prove that.

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      4. stewjo004

        @ ibn mumthaz

        From my limited understanding, it can’t be used to enact a hudood punishment but can be used for a tazir one so it’s not like the person is just let go with that type of evidence.

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    3. mr.heathcliff

      stew, check this out:

      Further Rubio sets these elements in the Galilean context of Jesus life

      We can further add a criterion of historical plausibility: any portrait of Jesus has to be designed as part of first-century Judaism in its Galilean setting. The material we have surveyed does indeed fit into the Jewish context in which the Jew Jesus of Nazareth lived. If ‘the better a tradition fits into the concrete Jewish context of Palestine and Galilee, the more claim it has to authenticity’,90 then it is significant that the material we have surveyed corresponds to the very concrete socio-political situation that actually existed in Jesus’ lifetime, that of a Palestine under Roman control.

      McGrath counters that

      … in this case, it seems as though too much needs to be excluded. Love of enemies. Turning the other cheek. Foreigners coming from the East and West to take their places at the messianic banquet.

      In this context it is worth citing Hoffmann

      This model unfortunately requires us to leave to one side features of Jesus’ message that are often regarded as essential–especially the injunction to “love” one’s enemies. Jesus does not display any of these characteristics in his remembered controversies with members of other sects, so there is no reason to suppose he would have encouraged others to display them to total strangers. In this respect, the controversy stories, though not in every detail, are the best indicators of what the “personality” of Jesus may have been like.

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      1. mr.heathcliff

        *****
        Jesus does not display any of these characteristics in his remembered controversies with members of other sects, so there is no reason to suppose he would have encouraged others to display them to total strangers.
        *********

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  25. Muhammad Karam

    It’s funny how he brings up the book of judges. To understand the context of that Book, we need to understand that it starts in the aftermath of the Book of Joshua… a book filled with death, destruction, war and conquest. That was not even in self defense. It was Yhwh giving the land of canaan to the children of israel like he promised he would.
    Now of course a similar story is found in islam. What christians should realize is that leaders tended to go to war. This is not something that detracts from the moral character of any Prophet.

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  26. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Also its worth noting that is well known Muhammad peace and blessings upon him’s life can be divided into the meccan period where he was peaceful and the medinin period where he instituted the offensive wars. The kuffar think this is like Muhammad peace and blessings upon him is being opportunistic but what they fail to realise is that other prophets peace be upon them are also military leaders and ‘eesa peace be upon him is no different. In his second coming, he will abolish the jiziyah, the only institute that would atleast guarantee that the kuffaaar aren’t enslaved ( in the case of women, children and generally non combatants. Ofc you can say that slavery in Islam is more humane but still its an institution that is more or less tolerated than anything else. Its neither encouraged nor discouraged.) and or are not killed. Under his reign, either you accept the true religion or die in battle or be enslaved. This is pretty enlign with the more accurate biblical jesus and the Islamic one where their are narrations that depict ‘eesa peace be upon him as a military leader. Under his second coming, the earth will comprise of believers and disbelievers and you better believe its gonna be violent.
    Also what the kuffar need to know is that when it comes to Allah, you will have to do things that will make you uncomfortable. We still haven’t understood the story of ibraheem peace be upon him and the sacrifice of his son ismaeel peace be upon him. If Allah commands you to fight for him, do it without hesitation. If he commands you to kill the disbelievers and die for him, do it without a second thought for Allah is the most wise.
    Also the whole slavery of the kuffar and the dhimmitude issue can simply be explained that Islam believes it self to be the superior religion, a religion that is to prevail over other religions. The religion by which other belief systems and faiths would meet their end. Ofc it doesn’t justify genocide nor mistreatment but rationally speaking, IF he does command us to do that then we have no other choice but to obey him. But Alhamdulillah, he didn’t command us to both of those things for indeed he is the most gentle and the most kind.
    Please forgive me if I sound a bit weird but I firmly believe that when it comes to the kuffar in all shapes and forms we have to hostile. In our faith they are simply incompatible with us so I firmly support the principle of taking the Allah and the believers as allies opposed to the kuffar.

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      @ ibn mumthaz

      There is balance in this approach. Not all non-Muslims are hostile and they should be given respect, cultural cordialness etc. We shouldn’t adopt their bad habits or religious beliefs but we can all get along fine, However for these hostile people online we should be stern and protect ourselves accordingly against their slander.

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      1. Caliph ibn mumthaz

        @stew
        Yep. Also its funny how the kuffar always complain that Islam is tolerant with regards to non Muslims even tho Allah said in the quran that he won’t treat the believers and the disbelievers the same

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  27. stewjo004

    @ Foued

    My response:

    1. Did not wage as many wars:
    He is off in his counting, he is counting the number of battles as conflicts against different actors. Reality is the Prophet(saw) fought 3 wars in his career:

    A. Quraish
    B. Jews
    C. Romans

    On the flip side, the Canaanites in Joshua’s(as) story alone were different kingdoms i.e actors that made a mutual defense pact in response to foreign aggression (btw none of this is true)

    2. Peaceful
    For one we never have claimed to be peace-loving hippies, we are balanced. All ideologies are spread through war. Case in point, modern secularism, liberal values and yes even Christianity. Nothing to be ashamed of.

    3. We’re the same in our kufr and shirk
    Uhhh no? A Hindu’s shirk is much different from a Jew’s (even though they may have overlap). Yes, they’ll both be in the Fire of Hell but the punishments will be far lesser for one.

    4. West attacks
    Nothing to do with justification it is a result of foreign invasion and imperialism (note not saying the attacks are justified or morally right) There are significant Muslim minority populations all throughout the World like in Brazil but no mention of terrorist attacks. Now, why could that be?

    5. Jesus emotional shirk rant
    Plenty of things to find wrong in the tale. From being defeated by humans to sinning. But alas can’t help a man worshipper.

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      1. No way you can do it by youself, you’ll have to contact the admins of each…wait wait I don’t think they can delete all the comments of a specific user…🤔

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  28. Asadullah has coined a very good term about the online Muslim community nowadays (not in a good way) especially Twitter, calling it the “refutation culture”, everyone is out there to “refute” and debate which should be good but in the process I noticed on Twitter we lost our adab pertaining to how dawah should be done, often times you’ll see a kaffir politely disagreeing with something pertaining to Islam (as per his understanding) and people will jump on him with insults and mockery while refuting him, obviously I don’t mind it with people like CP or Apus but seriously we can’t just assume anyone who disagrees with Islam disagrees in bad faith that’s why we have converts (may Allah bless them) in the first place

    If someone politely makes a bad point it’s ok chill give him the **benefit of the doubt** and try to explain to him patiently as simple as that, if our patience level is shit and we have nothing nice to say then stay silent and leave it to Allah, refuting people is more like an ego booster nowadays, “oh hehe this nice guy didn’t have a proper understanding of Islam so i called him a retard and went full debate mode on him please love me dad”

    Dawah isn’t for someone without patience, and alas even the sunnah of giving the benefit of the doubt is lost as well

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    1. foued190

      Narrated Abu Huraira:

      The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day, should not hurt his neighbor and whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day, should serve his guest generously and whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day, should speak what is good or keep silent.”

      Sahih al-Bukhari 6136

      https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6136

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  29. axel

    A Christian was saying that ” The Quran further claims that its purpose is to make things clear and to solve differences: (S. 16:63-64, S. 16:89). Yet Surah 3:7 says there are some verses that nobody knows what they really mean except Allah. The question arises:What then is the point of including those verses into the Quran? Why would Allah not leave them out altogether and spare his community the strife and discord caused by them? Now I know some Muslim will still try and explain what Allah himself says “nobody knows, except Him.Why?, because Muslims consistently contradict the Quran’s teachings in this respect…what a fake religion, seriously.”
    Further Christian said ”In several passages in the Quran we find the statement that the Quran was given in Arabic so that it be CLEAR and understood by its audience – the Arabs (yet later claims it’s for all mankind – how inconsistent)”
    Please refute this.

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  30. axel

    A Christian was saying that ” The Quran further claims that its purpose is to make things clear and to solve differences: (S. 16:63-64, S. 16:89). Yet Surah 3:7 says there are some verses that nobody knows what they really mean except Allah. The question arises:What then is the point of including those verses into the Quran? Why would Allah not leave them out altogether and spare his community the strife and discord caused by them? Now I know some Muslim will still try and explain what Allah himself says “nobody knows, except Him.Why?, because Muslims consistently contradict the Quran’s teachings in this respect…what a fake religion, seriously.”
    Further Christian said ”In several passages in the Quran we find the statement that the Quran was given in Arabic so that it be CLEAR and understood by its audience – the Arabs (yet later claims it’s for all mankind – how inconsistent)”
    Please refute this.

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Axel

      Once again kuffar making dumb arguments. Let’s break it down to begin the verses quoted are different audiences and contexts. 3:7 was talking to (ironically in this case) Christians who were attempting to nitpick Allah’s use of the “Royal We” to try and prove their shirk BS. Allah is basically saying in 3:7 that if you dispute about the interpretation of His Scripture use Allah’s clear statements to interpret vague things (which they never do). You want to try and pretend Allah is not using a “Royal We”? Okay then explain the clear statements where Allah says He is One by Himself etc. these people (like this kaffir) were simply being argumentative. Furthermore, let’s read what Allah said (emphasis mine):

      He revealed the Scripture to you with clear verses in it. They are the Scripture’s foundation while other ˹parts˺ are vague. But THOSE WHOSE HEARTS ARE DEVIANT look to cause conflicts by only following what isn’t clear, as they pursue hidden meanings and interpretations. But only people who possess intellect and are able to control their emotions will understand, no one knows their real meaning except Allah. And (so) those whose knowledge is deep say: “We believe in it because it’s all from our Lord.” (3:7)

      So Allah is stating there are going to always be people trying to “nitpick” at clear statements of His and you all need to understand that these people do not care about Truth their hearts and intentions are really vile.

      As for the other set oy ayah Allah is talking to pagan Arabs. Some believed in Muhammad(saw) and some disbelieved. But even among the disbelievers, they argued about what is he. Is he crazy? Is he lying? Is he a poet? Is he a soothsayer? The Arabs had not had a prophet in a loooooooong time. So Allah is saying I sent this Scripture down to clarify for you all these things you guys argue about and expose the truth. If this kaffir wasn’t a complete ignoramus Allah says this in THE SAME SURAH HE QUOTED FROM:

      16:35. Those who equate others with God say: “If God had wanted, we wouldn’t have worshipped anything but Him, nor would have our parents. We wouldn’t have sanctified ˹to˺ anything other than Him.” Again this is what those before them also said. So is there any other responsibility on the Messenger except to convey the message clearly?
      16:36. I appointed a Messenger for each nation telling them to worship God and to stay away from forces calling to rebellion. Among them are some God guided and some who misguidance materialized so they deserved to be led astray. Just travel throughout the earth and take a look for yourself. How was the fate of those who denied?
      16:37. Though you might be eager to guide them, God doesn’t guide whomever He decides to misguide and they will have none who can help them.
      16:38. They have sworn at God enthusiastically that He will not raise the dead back to life. But on the contrary He will, it is His binding promise, however most people don’t realize it.
      16:39. So that He can CLARIFY WHAT THEY HAVE DEBATED ABOUT FOR THEM and so that the disbelievers can realize that they were liars.

      So tl;dr

      Ayah are different contexts and kuffar are bumbling retards meant to test Muslim’s patience with their stuidiity.

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    2. stewjo004

      @ Axel

      Part 2 of this kafir’s rant:

      God’s revelation has to come down in SOMEONE’S language as there is no universal language on planet Earth. That does not negate something being for all of mankind. So this point was just unbelievably stupid.

      Next yes, the verses were clear in understanding to its initial audience that was rejecting the Message. Again not contradictory. It’s like if I tell you an important message about someone trying to start WW3 and go “Yo I’m speaking clear English to you what’s so hard to understand?” Does that negate that my message doesn’t involve all those countries? No. One thing you always have to remember Axel is that ALL kuffar are retarded and their whole existence is to be little robots to test you to get a higher reward in Jannah. What degrees they have doesn’t matter. How eloquently they say their stupid stuff doesn’t matter. How many inventions Allah allowed them to discover doesn’t matter. How much money Allah gave to them doesn’t matter. They are ALL just bumbling retards making things up as they go.

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  31. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Can you explain the reasons and wisdoms behind men divorcing their wives with no reason or cause. Why are women called hypocrites when they demand divorce with no reason. Can you explain in detail

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      @Ibn Mumthaz

      To keep things simple men divorce; women do basically what’s called an “annulment”. A woman can “divorce” for whatever but she needs to pay a penalty in doing so (by the majority of scholars returning her dowry) Marriage is a business deal, you are providing for this woman in exchange for exclusive access to sex and children from her. You the provider in this deal can pull out because you basically don’t want to pay for this arrangement anymore. A woman without an excuse on the other hand is paying back for violating this arrangement of maintenance by returning the initial down payment (i.e her dowry) because she is violating the Agreement with no cause.

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  32. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Oohh that makes sense. How about when the woman is pregnant? Does the man have to still financially assist her in that scenario?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Ibn Mumthaz

      Yes. Her iddah (waiting time) would be to whenever she gives birth. She could also take a wage for breastfeeding and then child care things etc.

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  33. axel

    How can we know that the Birmingham Quran is from the time of Prophet Muhammad(saw) if the Radiocarbon dating of 95.4% probability has to do with the dating of animal skin as they can’t date the ink on that skin?

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    1. @Axel, idk much about Quranic textual criticism as much as biblical TC but I **guess** 4 things comes into play

      1. The date of the parchment
      2. Paleography
      3. Combining the data
      4. Come to a logical conclusion

      The parchment I guess is dated around the time of the Prophet

      The Hijazi script wasn’t used for long after the death of the Prophet and it was replaced with the kufic script

      So we have a parchment dating around the time of the Prophet and a script which could extend the rage

      Afaik if a parchment was prepared/made it was to be used soon after

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      1. “Afaik if a parchment was prepared/made it was to be used soon after”

        And ofc when added with the dating range of the script, probability is mostly on the side of Birmingham being written during the time of the Prophet PBUH

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  34. I noticed this strange argument has been gaining momentum again, sounded really dumb to me as usual but still to put it very nicely, what is obvious for someone isn’t for everyone

    https://preparedtoanswer.org/topics/faith-and-reason/understanding-gods-love-through-the-trinity/

    This argument from attributes is pretty much self-defeating, if the attribute of “loving” necessarily entails a need for relationship then so should the attribute of wrath or forgiveness which is impossible considering that each “person” in the godhead is perfect, what implies perfectness implies harmony and inter-compatibility

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  35. Assalamu alaikum,

    Guys, I have extreme hatred towards Osama Bin Laden to the extend where I don’t even want to see his face in Paradise. But now I even have doubts whether that rebel died as believer or hypocrite which certainly worries me a lot.

    My questions which I want to ask are:

    1. Do we have historical proofs Osama Bin laden died as Muslim or as Hypocrite? If we have historical proofs, can you present them?

    2. Would it be ok if I want to invoke the curse of God Almighty To be upon Osama Bin Laden and To humiliate him on the Day of Judgement?

    3. If Osama Bin Laden died as Muslim, can I ask God Almighty To wipe me out of existence just so I won’t see him ever?

    Jazakalakhair

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    1. stewjo004

      @alexander

      Walakum salam,

      It’s more beneficial to worry about strengthening your own faith than to worry about the fate of a person who Allah will not ask you about on the Day of Judgement.

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  36. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Hey dude, I’ve talked to somebody and he basically said that a husband forcing his wife into intercourse ( like wise a master and his concubine) is allowed. He also said that since it is his right, it doesn’t come under oppression. Is this viewpoint valid?

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    1. stewjo004

      @ibn Mumthaz

      Don’t see how something being you’re right means you can force it. For example, let’s say someone murdered my family member. I have the right to qasas (equal retaliation). That does NOT mean I can then do vigilantism and go and murder that person, only the State can do that. In the same context, the husband has the right to call for intercourse at any time that does not mean he can then force her. She is no doubt sinning and the angels are cursing her but there’s nothing to my limited knowledge that says he can make her do it. He is better off being patient and leaving the matter to Allah as Allah will defend the oppressed. It would be the same if, for example, if the husband ordered the wife to do something, not haram that was an extreme hardship on her. If she is patient Allah will deal with the husband. The test in these situations is to be patient and just follow what you’ve been told as at the end of the day Allah controls all things and will give a way out.

      PS
      As a point of wisdom for you so you don’t even end up in this position if the wife is not giving intercourse regularly barring something like fatigue there is usually some need of hers not being fulfilled. She may be upset at her husband deep down or he may not be sexually satisfying her. Either way better to open the lines of communication and discussing the issues as most women will naturally want to please their spouse. So even if we say for the sake of the argument forcing her is halal what I said is much more effective. As the saying goes: “happy wife, happy life”

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  37. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Yeah that makes sense. Altho I’d appreciate you quoting the correct scholarly opinion on the issue as I don’t think that brother is going to be convinced by just simple reasoning. I think it’d be more effective to quote scholarly opinions to try to convince him. Also does this apply to case of slave girls? Wouldn’t it be difficult in the case 9f them since they in all likelihood be pissed or at the very least be antagonistic to the master. Since slave girls are like wise obligated to satisfy their master’s desires, how would this go out? I mean are the girls left alone or are they disciplined to respond to their master’s demands?
    Also on a let me turn the tables article on concubinage, he mentioned a scholar’s saying that the purpose of marriage is intercourse while the purpose of female slaves are not sex. I don’t have any confusion about the marriage one but what did it mean by the purpose of slave girls is not intercourse? Isn’t the reason why men own female slaves is to have intercourse with them behind doing household duties?

    https://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2012/09/no-rape-slave-women-islam.html

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    1. stewjo004

      @ Ibn Mumthaz

      There is nothing to “convince” the brother, the onus is on him to prove he can force her. Again using his logic I can go commit a vigilante qasas (retaliation) and then ask you to “prove’ I’m not allowed to do that. He is the one making the claim he is allowed to so he has to prove that claim.

      As for the second part of the question Allah hu alim I don’t know.

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  38. Caliph ibn mumthaz

    @stew
    Jazakallahu khair. I have one more question but this might appear as a bit childish but anyways, I know that being friends with the opposite sex is not allowed and I’ve been taking steps to not do that but I have some female friends that I kept contact with before I realized the prohibition. So what I’m asking is how do I cut off ties with them? Should I just stop talking to them or should I tell them the religious prohibition of this relationship. If it is the latter than how should I go about it in a mature and effective way?

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  39. Ramadan mubarak!

    Guys, I wish to learn Art of Manipulation so I can end for good terrorism and violence. My questions are:

    1. What’s the ruling for learning Art of Manipulation?

    2. Can I learn Art of Manipulation in order to convince ISIS to stop murdering Muslims and Non-Muslims be good Muslims?

    Because, this is the only way of ending terrorism.

    Jazakalakhair

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