NEW VIDEO: “Herem & Human Sacrifice: Response to Luis on Deuteronomy 13”

The 4th and last video response (for now) to Christian apologist Luis Dizon and company on “herem” being a form of human sacrifice will deal with Deuteronomy 13 and the destruction of an entire Israelite city in which just one person is guilty of idol worship. I have argued that the city and its people were sacrificed to Yahweh as part of the “herem”. Luis claims that only the “spoil” (the material goods such as treasure) was “sacrificed”. We will see that Luis is clearly mistaken.

7 thoughts on “NEW VIDEO: “Herem & Human Sacrifice: Response to Luis on Deuteronomy 13”

  1. mr.heathcliff

    since mr woody involved bart ehrman in this, it appear to me that ehrman is kind of agreeing with faiz

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    BDEhrman August 29, 2021 at 11:49 am – Reply
    Interesting question. I don’t think sacrificioal language is used for the slaughter of the outsiders in Joshua, but I need to think about it. The interest is less in making them an offering pleasing to God than to get rid of them so as not to be bad influences on the Israelites. On the other hand, they and all their stuff are “dedicated to God,” so maybe it is a kind of sacrifice. Interesting.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      “The interest is less in making them an offering pleasing to God… ”

      Niditch remarks on page 32 of the paperback edition:

      One of the closest simplest biblical parallels to the above excerpt from the Mesha Inscription is offered by Num 21:2-3. Israel confronts the Canaanite enemy, the king of Arad and his forces who have already taken some Israelites captive. Israel makes a vow, the real thrust of which is obscured by the NRSV. Compare the NRSV and then our translation: “Then Israel made a vow to the Lord and said, ‘If you will indeed give this people into our hands, then we will utterly destroy their towns.'” Why should such a vow of wanton destruction please the deity? Rather Israel promises something for something, a deal that the deity presumably cannot resist–not wanton, meaningless destruction but an offering for his use and devotion…Israel is promising a sacrifice to God, the cities and their content. So the Moabite king had promised his enemies to his deity.


  2. stewjo004

    @ QB

    Well, well, well QB to add to your sacrifice discussion I present to you Judges 11:29-38, ahem:

    Jephthah’s Tragic Vow

    29THEN THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD CAME UPON JEPHTHAH, and he passed through Gilead and Manasseh, then through Mizpah of Gilead. And from there he advanced against the Ammonites.

    30Jephthah made this vow to the LORD: “If indeed You will deliver the Ammonites into my hand, 31then whatever comes out the door of my house to greet me on my triumphant return from the Ammonites will belong to the LORD, and I WILL OFFER IT UP AS A BURNT OFFERING.”
    ..So the Ammonites were subdued before the Israelites.

    34And when Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, there was his daughter coming out to meet him with tambourines and dancing! She was his only child; he had no son or daughter besides her.

    35As soon as Jephthah saw her, he tore his clothes and said, “No! Not my daughter! You have brought me to my knees! You have brought great misery upon me, for I have given my word to the LORD and cannot take it back.”

    36“My father,” she replied, “you have given your word to the LORD. Do to me as you have said, for the LORD has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites.” 37She also said to her father, “Let me do this one thing: Let me wander for two months through the mountains with my friends and mourn my virginity.”

    38“Go,” he said. And he sent her away for two months.

    So she left with her friends and mourned her virginity upon the mountains. 39After two months, she returned to her father, and HE DID TO HER AS HE HAD VOWED. And she had never had relations with a man.

    So it has become a custom in Israel 40that each year the young women of Israel go out for four days to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.


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    1. stewjo004

      @ QB

      Oh my bad I didn’t see this one. But yeah…again why would He not just do what He did with Ibrahim(as) or Abdul Mutalib? I digress allow me to speed ahead with the missionary counter:

      But, bit the Bible (contradictorly) says the LORD doesn’t require sacrifices so there!

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