If there was any doubt among some naive Muslims regarding the racist hypocrite Paul Williams, see below.
When you see phrases like “race realist” and “you are not even white” coupled with racial epithets like “paki” (a derogatory term for people from Pakistan, like using the N-word for black people), is there still any lingering doubt? This man is an attention-seeker, a liar, and a racist. I urge all Muslims to stop engaging with him.
The Quran and Bible Blog 
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Race “realist”, what an oxymoron since it has been proven there is no such thing and that it’s just culture and social construct.
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Told ya’ll ni99as he was a white supremacist.
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@ QB
Oh, question regarding the term “paki” as I wasn’t aware this was a slur (I just thought it was shorthand) is it only in the UK, or is this general? If it is general then is it just better to default to “Desi” if using shorthand or is there another word?
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I think it’s more commonly used in the UK, although I remember President Bush used that term once, but I don’t think he realized it was considered a derogatory term.
Desi is more general and also includes Indians.
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@ QB
Well if you ask certain people Pakistan is just India done right jk.
Is there any term that just includes just the people of Pakistan or does everyone just say “I’m Pakistani”?
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I think most would just say “Pakistani”.
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I can say personally(what ever worth that has) have never encountered the word “paki” as a slur for my race. I’ve even heard others refer to themselves as “paki” but i don’t know if thats similar to other races using their own slurs.
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Paul Williams has always been a racist. he is becoming unhinged because no one is giving him any attention. this poofer is the biggest drama queen.
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You know whats extra hilarious didn’t that murtad claim not to be a white supremacist when I called him out on it?
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Yep, I was thinking that too. Just a lying sack of crap.
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@ QB
Yeah I mean its easy to see why Allah blocked him from Islam. Also for giggles since he likes using “science” let’s bring in an actual scientist, ahem:
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racist bastard! . i still remember in Worcester ronks wood , uk when me and my cousins used to walk past houses occupied by white people , “pakis go home, pakis go home”
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What’s wrong if there’re difference between races? I think science supports that.
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@ Sami
It doesn’t. There is no such thing as “race” and this is born from a pseudoscience called “Eugenics”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
This is the first problem, racist are stupid and are basically the equivalent of “flat earthers” for biology and anthropology. This is all they’re literally being arrogant about:
So unless you think the sun gives you superpowers there is no difference. What stupid people are actually seeing is, are just culture and social constructs please review similar background two “races”:
You shouldn’t even need to be told this because the religion you claim to believe in teaches the same thing. Common sense if everybody came from Adam(as) then everyone on planet Earth is the same group.
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There are differences between races. It includes metabolism, IQ test, and susceptibility for some diseases. It’s not a pseudoscience.
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Learn science first, then comment on it. You are confusing “race” with ethnicity.
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Even *if* there were differences, this wouldn’t justify racism. Nothing can justify what happened to George Floyd, or Breonna Taylor, or any of the countless victims of police brutality.
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@ QB
I keep trying to tell you and for some odd reason people refuse to believe me, ALL kuffar are retarded.
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That’s a bit extreme. Am I a retard for not following Islam?
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@darthtimon
If you die not becoming a Muslim…yes. Sorry, I gotta break it to you so bluntly because you’re nice.
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That’s pretty heinous Stew. It trivialises something very serious, all because someone doesn’t share your religious beliefs. My daughter is borderline special needs, so I do not take such statements lightly. Such statements are a slap in the face of disabled people.
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@darthtimon
I think that says something more about you to be honest. I have full-on special needs people in my family and have never once thought of them as “retards” so… yeah you should think better of her. My usage from context clearly stems from as defined by Websters:
“a foolish or stupid person”
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retard#h1
To see many proofs and ignore them is (again Webster) “retarded”.
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If you have special needs family you’d know retard is used as an offensive slur, and you’d be more considerate than to wield it in the manner you indulge in.
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You should also double check your dictionary definitions.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/retard ‘Slang: Disparaging and Offensive.
a contemptuous term used to refer to a person who is cognitively impaired.’
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retard
‘offensive – a person affected with mental retardation’. I cannot believe you have special needs family and would unaware of the offensive nature of the term.
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@darthtimon
Alright, now we’re starting to enter me not caring territory. You got an apology and are beginning to beat the point to death. Simple question, did I call your daughter a retard? A simple yes or no will suffice. Was she even the topic of conversation (that you butted into btw)? A simple yes or no will suffice.
Furthermore, besides the fact that you either consciously or subconsciously think your daughter is stupid, your position is hypocritical, quoting from your blog where you use the word “idiot” or “moron” (which has the EXACT SAME MEANING/ HISTORY AS “RETARD”
https://coalitionofthebrave.wordpress.com/2018/03/08/gun-twits-on-twitter/
https://coalitionofthebrave.wordpress.com/2017/08/02/the-trump-diaries/
https://coalitionofthebrave.wordpress.com/2017/02/02/something-funny/
https://coalitionofthebrave.wordpress.com/2016/10/21/i-weep-for-the-species/
https://coalitionofthebrave.wordpress.com/2020/05/20/covidiots/
https://coalitionofthebrave.wordpress.com/2020/05/10/killed-for-jogging/
https://coalitionofthebrave.wordpress.com/2020/04/24/did-he-say-that/
https://coalitionofthebrave.wordpress.com/2019/04/21/katie-bouman-black-holes-and-bigots/
https://coalitionofthebrave.wordpress.com/2018/08/18/quiet-spells/
https://coalitionofthebrave.wordpress.com/2018/07/25/nerd-culture/
https://coalitionofthebrave.wordpress.com/2018/05/08/trumps-legacy/
https://coalitionofthebrave.wordpress.com/2017/11/25/the-backlash-continues/
https://coalitionofthebrave.wordpress.com/2017/06/17/the-return-of-the-sore-loser/
https://coalitionofthebrave.wordpress.com/2017/01/08/mgtow-soldier-p3/
Using the logic (I use the term loosely in this discussion) “such statements are a slap in the face of disabled people.” In fact, you are quite the bigot and compare them to things you dislike quite frequently.
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Your apology was, let’s be honest, pretty fake Stew, and you’re well aware that I’ve not implied, directly or indirectly, I consider my daughter to be stupid. I don’t wield an obviously derogatory term in a casual manner, then call up disabled relatives to deflect from how that term can be considered offensive and derogatory. I asked you how you would react if someone called your disabled loved ones a retard – you wouldn’t be impressed would you? You are well aware of the history of the term and the manner in which you trivialise it (and try to defend trivialising it) is quite appalling.
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@darthtimon
Well, that’s easy because I understand how language works which is why I’m not offended at the use of the words “idiot” or “moron” either 🙄🙄🙄. But as I said I can’t dictate how other people take offense so once again my apologies.
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Surely you are of context and the use of the term retard in recent years? If someone called your disabled relatives retards you’d be fully aware of the derogatory nature of the comment. It would obviously be a slur, and you’d be offended right?
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@ darthtimon
To begin Webster is a more authoritative source than a “dictionary.com” and even then they agree as with even an example sentence:
“a person who is stupid, obtuse, or ineffective in some way:
a hopeless social retard.”
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/retard
Word’s definitions change depending on the context (for example “gay”) and my usage was in normal lines of the English language.Many words people use nowadays to call each other fools have a similar same history, yet it’s only “retard” being picked on for example:
idiot- dated, now offensive : a person affected with extreme intellectual disability
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idiot
moron- dated, now offensive : a person affected with mild intellectual disability
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moron
So I hope you don’t use these as well for consistency’s sake. It is YOU who is the one doing the word association: “stupid”= my daughter. She is NOT a fool or stupid as she was born with a condition that does not allow her for whatever reason to process information like other people. However, with that being said, I will apologize for offending you and will adjust my statement:
“ALL kuffar are stupid.”
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I thank you for your apology, though I will stand by my position that to wield such terms is offensive, and is considered as such by several definitions. That’s why I wouldn’t ever trivialise the matter by using such terms as an insult because someone doesn’t follow my faith – and I especially wouldn’t use such slurs when I’ve got family with special needs. The term retard has a long history of being used as a slur, which even a cursory Google search reveals, so it certainly a source of astonishment that anyone with disabled relatives would use it so casually.
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There is scientific research a few years back expressive that non-religious are more intelligent on average actually.
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@ Burhanuddin1
This conversation proves otherwise. All kuffar are stupid.
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Well thats your opinion, a rather extreme and generalising one if you dont mind.
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@ Burnadin
And I care for yours because…?
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Just so we can move on as Allah and his Messenger are clearly not believed, let’s read what i sent to Paul on Youtube so we don’t say stupid things in the future:
“In 1950, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) issued a statement asserting that all humans belong to the same species and that “race” is not a biological reality but a myth. This was a summary of the findings of an international panel of anthropologists, geneticists, sociologists, and psychologists.
A great deal of evidence had accumulated by that time to support this conclusion, and the scientists involved were those who were conducting research and were most knowledgeable about the topic of human variation. Since that time similar statements have been published by the American Anthropological Association and the American Association of Physical Anthropologists, and an enormous amount of modern scientific data has been gathered to justify this conclusion.
Today the vast majority of those involved in research on human variation would agree that biological races do not exist among humans. Among those who study the subject, who use and accept modern scientific techniques and logic, this scientific fact is as valid and true as the fact that the earth is round and revolves around the sun.
What many people do not realize is that this racial structure is not based on reality. Anthropologists have shown for many years now that there is no biological reality to human race. There are no major complex behaviors that directly correlate with what might be considered human “racial” characteristics.
There is no inherent relationship between intelligence, law- abidingness, or economic practices and race, just as there is no relationship between nose size, height, blood group, or skin color and any set of complex human behaviors.
However, over the past 500 years, we have been taught by an informal, mutually reinforcing consortium of intellectuals, politicians, statesmen, business and economic leaders and their books that human racial biology is real and that certain races are biologically better than others.
These teachings have led to major injustices to Jews and non-Christians during the Spanish Inquisition; to blacks, Native Americans, and others during colonial times; to African Americans during slavery and reconstruction; to Jews and other Europeans during the reign of the Nazis in Germany; and to groups from Latin America and the Middle East, among others, during modern political times.
In my book, The Myth of Race: The Troubling Persistence of an Unscientific Idea, I have not dwelt upon all of the scientific information that has been gathered by anthropologists, biologists, geneticists, and other scientists concerning the fact that there are no such things as human biological races. This has been done by many people over the past fifty or so years.”
https://www.newsweek.com/there-no-such-thing-race-283123
Congratulations you are the equivalent of flat earthers of biology, anthropology and psychology. But wait there’s more:
“IN THE FIRST half of the 19th century, one of America’s most prominent scientists was a doctor named Samuel Morton. Morton lived in Philadelphia, and he collected skulls.
He wasn’t choosy about his suppliers. He accepted skulls scavenged from battlefields and snatched from catacombs. One of his most famous craniums belonged to an Irishman who’d been sent as a convict to Tasmania (and ultimately hanged for killing and eating other convicts). With each skull Morton performed the same procedure: He stuffed it with pepper seeds—later he switched to lead shot—which he then decanted to ascertain the volume of the braincase.
Morton believed that people could be divided into five races and that these represented separate acts of creation. The races had distinct characters, which corresponded to their place in a divinely determined hierarchy. Morton’s “craniometry” showed, he claimed, that whites, or “Caucasians,” were the most intelligent of the races. East Asians—Morton used the term “Mongolian”—though “ingenious” and “susceptible of cultivation,” were one step down. Next came Southeast Asians, followed by Native Americans. Blacks, or “Ethiopians,” were at the bottom. In the decades before the Civil War, Morton’s ideas were quickly taken up by the defenders of slavery…
Today Morton is known as the father of scientific racism. So many of the horrors of the past few centuries can be traced to the idea that one race is inferior to another that a tour of his collection is a haunting experience. To an uncomfortable degree we still live with Morton’s legacy: Racial distinctions continue to shape our politics, our neighborhoods, and our sense of self.
This is the case even though what science actually has to tell us about race is just the opposite of what Morton contended.
Morton thought he’d identified immutable and inherited differences among people, but at the time he was working—shortly before Charles Darwin put forth his theory of evolution and long before the discovery of DNA—scientists had no idea how traits were passed on. Researchers who have since looked at people at the genetic level now say that the whole category of race is misconceived. Indeed, when scientists set out to assemble the first complete human genome, which was a composite of several individuals, they deliberately gathered samples from people who self-identified as members of different races. In June 2000, when the results were announced at a White House ceremony, Craig Venter, a pioneer of DNA sequencing, observed, “The concept of race has no genetic or scientific basis.”
Over the past few decades, genetic research has revealed two deep truths about people. The first is that all humans are closely related—more closely related than all chimps, even though there are many more humans around today. Everyone has the same collection of genes, but with the exception of identical twins, everyone has slightly different versions of some of them. Studies of this genetic diversity have allowed scientists to reconstruct a kind of family tree of human populations. That has revealed the second deep truth: In a very real sense, all people alive today are Africans…”
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/
As I know this probably went over your head here’s PBS to help:
https://www.pbs.org/race/001_WhatIsRace/001_00-home.htm
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@darthtimon
“Your apology was, let’s be honest, pretty fake Stew…”
Actually, my apology was sincere so yeah a bad start for you.
“…you’re well aware that I’ve not implied, directly or indirectly, I consider my daughter to be stupid.”
Actually for you to think someone calling another person a fool equals my daughter kinda means you do.
“I don’t wield an obviously derogatory term in a casual manner”
Lol except that you do with your constant use of “moron” and “idiot”. As I said you are a self righteous hypocrite who has conveniently ignored this point.
“then call up disabled relatives to deflect from how that term can be considered offensive and derogatory.”
Except when you tried to take some sort of “moral high ground” by acting like you’re the only person in the world with special needs family members. This then horribly backfired when you learned this wasn’t the case.
“I asked you how you would react if someone called your disabled loved ones a retard”
I have. Proceeded to belittle the person as I am now.
“…the manner in which you trivialise it (and try to defend trivialising it) is quite appalling.”
Again words change in context either concede this or please see the point on you being a self-righteous hypocrite regarding “moron” and “idiot”.
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Hey people. Let us stop yelling at one another. Let’s just give to Paul some peace of mind, don’t mind him. If he is attacking the Deen, then just ignore him. That is why people hate Islam, because of our evil behavior, so for us to prove them wrong, we have to change our behaviour. Islam is against racism, so let’s respect Paul the way he is, whether he is black, white, it doesn’t matter the collor, the only thing that matters is that you’re good person and people treat you the way you behave. Do you want to give good image to Islam? Then start from now on to change your wicked behaviours, that is how you can give good image to Islam. Don’t make it worse!
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@alexanderabood
The conversation has been over until some self-righteous jack@$$ doesn’t understand the meaning of a word came along all in feelings (and proved my initial point of all kufffar are retarded)
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I understand your feelings.
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Unfortunately some people are prepared to casually toss obvious slurs around to describe people they don’t like, without any awareness of the irony of such behaviour.
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@darthtimon
I know right! Like calling presidents we don’t like idiots despite it being actually considered socially acceptable to call people with mental disorders at one point. Its quite saddening.
PS
The previous comment was responded to just waiting for approval as it was so long burying you in references.
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And yet I am prepared to place good money on you calling people idiots and stupid on a regular basis too. If I’m a hypocrite, what does that make you for throwing around an ableist slur so casually? You have admitted that you would object to your family members being referred to in such a way, so why would such a term magically become acceptable when speaking about people who don’t share your faith? Disabilities are not a choice, but choosing to not believe one interpretation of one of many religious texts *is*, yet you exploit a known term of abuse because of it.
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Oh that’s easy “consistent” as I don’t hold the word as being offensive within certain context. You are the one arguing if a word is used no matter what its offensive and committing a word association fallacy. I would (and I’m sure you would as well) object to them being called morons or idiots as well so what’s your point? It has nothing to do with faith lol I use it for people in all sorts of ways. Got anymore stupid (which I would also take issue with them being called that in case you were curious) points for me to refute today? 😊
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Well, you do what you think is correct. I’m stayin’ out of this, so I won’t get myself into big trouble.
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You don’t seem to understand that trivialising something as serious as ableism, just because someone doesn’t agree with your faith, is in inappropriate action. It doesn’t reflect well upon you, and in different circumstances upon Muslims or Islam (though I know well enough to draw a distinction).
The meaning of words changes over time. Even your quoted Merriam Webster dictionary makes reference to the obviously derogatory nature of the term retard in today’s society. You are thoroughly aware of it and yet do not seem to care how offensive such terms are. You wouldn’t consider using such expressions in front of your relatives, so I fail to see why you would use them so casually.
https://www.wired.com/2012/10/stop-saying-retarded/
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/insight/it-s-time-to-end-retard-as-an-offensive-slur
https://www.sciencealert.com/history-changing-language-disabilities-discrimination
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@alexanderabood
I would recommend it, Tinon clearly just wants to argue. This is more a curiosity for me to watch the selective outrage.
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I do use it in front of them with no qualms because they aren’t retarded(again it is YOU making the word association) Webster (and I have to again emphasis as this keeps “skipping” past you) ALSO noted “moron” and “idiot’s” offensive usage in history as well. Arguing meaning of words changes hurts your argument not helps. It would be one thing if you were arguing not to use any of them but you are arbitrarily picking one to single out. Finally I could care less what you all think. Lol we’re going to be demonised regardless and its basically agreed by everyone that we’re going to clash for basically what it means to be a human (see “end of history”) You’re the only fool thinking the world is going to hold hands and sing kumbaya.
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Ok, I’m sorry for making such comment. Please ignore my comment which I made. I totally understand you.
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I’m not making any associations whatsoever. I’m acknowledging that words have meaning, that the term retard is used in a derogatory sense as a slur against disabled people, and you are continuing to treat it as a trivial term, then referring to words that no longer convey such meaning. It also deeply troubles me that you wish to convince people of the righteousness of your beliefs by behaving in such a manner.
The term ‘nigger’ was once widely used, as was ‘negro’. There are many slurs against LGBT folk, and for that matter, against Muslims, that others might argue are perfectly acceptable because of context. That doesn’t mean that they are.
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@alexanderabood
You’re fine ahki nobody’s upset with I’m explaining to adults the equivalent of Santa Claus isn’t real
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@darthtimon
Your last post was contradictory to your overall argument, you stated:
“…referring to words that no longer convey such meaning”
Ding, ding freaking ding, nobody uses retard in that manner to describe the handicapped, the word is again used in the EXACT SAME CONTEXT. This is what I mean by “selective outrage” thank you for handing me the “W”.
In conclusion, you beliving or not has nothing to do with me, Timon gotta look inside himself. I just dropped a huge jewel on both you now will it go noticed and be meditated upon? Probably not because of my initial statement that kicked off this discussion and then you will go back to your pretentious “all religions are the same indoubetably ho, ho, ho” 🧐 while I sit there shaking my head.
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But retard does convey a very specific, negative connotation. You’re choosing to ignore that, in selective quotes from dictionaries, and you’ve overlooked every set of links regarding the offensive nature of the term. You’ve quietly ignored the point I raised about the use of slurs against Muslims, the LGBT community and blacks. Shall we refer to black people casually as niggers and negros? Gays as fags? Muslims as terrorists? What would your own selective outrage say then?
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@Darthtimon
Yes, it does have a negative connotation…of a fool (like idiot or moron) As for your fallacy (and poor excuse to use a racial slur) no one goes “Awww that’s so nigger!” The word retard like moron or idiot is not used as a slur to a specific group. You have already conceded archaic usage is not the same especially when within different contexts and have thus have proven my entire argument. Now again if you were to condemn moron and idiot for the same reason then you would have a point but until then you are just masturbating to your own hypocritical self-righteousness. As of right now, the facts are:
1.Selective outrage
You are simply picking on one word despite using others with the same meaning and history with no particular rhyme or reason even after this has been proven beyond a doubt.
2. Word Association
You yourself conjure this image when you hear the word like up=down, boy=girl, black=white, tall=short, retard= special needs, and are thus the prejudiced one.
3. Clearly wanted to just argue (read “self-righteous masturbation”)
You were given an apology and then continued instead of dropping the point like a normal person.
4. Linguistically correct usage
According to the source YOU brought as evidence they conceded using retard in the context is acceptable (example given “socially retarded”)
5. Proved my point that all kuffar are retarded
You ignored the jewels dropped on you and continued on, no shocker to me which is why I don’t waste my time.
Anything else or have we exhausted this issue?
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@ Darth timon
Oh and lol AGAIN YOUR source provided agrees with me 😂😂😂:
“In the early 20th century, “moron” was a medical term for someone with a mental age of between eight and 12…Yet there is also a consensus such language is unacceptable. How did we get here?”
https://www.sciencealert.com/history-changing-language-disabilities-discrimination
Ouch!
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If you think my source agreed with you it’s you’re applying some very selective snippets from it – not for the first time. The Merriam Webster dictionary included retard as an offensive term within its definitions, something you have glossed over in your willingness to throw such terms around, without any thought or consideration for anyone who’d be offended or upset by such a trivial use of the term. You’ve also overlooked the other articles I shared, and other dictionary definitions, simply because you want to cling to a known insulting, derogatory term, which in today’s usage makes *your* use of it inappropriate. Instead of being reasonable, you’ve doubled down.
What makes this ironic is your indignation at the beginning of the article regarding the language Paul was using to describe people from Pakistan. Whilst I agree that Paul should not have been using such terms, he could just as easily argue to you that he meant in a different context. That he was merely being *descriptive*.
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You seem to be confused. You also seem unrepentant.
People can be stupid and *not* have a disability – they have chosen to be ignorant, childish and foolish. You’ve highlighted several examples of such behaviour via the Coalition site. A disability is on the other hand something no one chooses, and no degree of context on trivialising a disability through use of a well-recognised slur (as you are doing) will make using such terms acceptable, least of all in the context of criticism of people who don’t share your religious beliefs. This is why I call into question the sincerity of your apology. If you truly have disabled relatives, you will not make light of that by comparing what they did not choose with a choice over faith.
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@ darth timon
Lol thank you for proving my point regarding your hypocritical stance, since I’m “confused” which one doesn’t belong?
1. moron- dated, now offensive: a person affected with mild intellectual disability
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moron
2. idiot- dated, now offensive : a person affected with extreme intellectual disability
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idiot
3. retard- offensive : a person affected with mental retardation
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retard#h1
Once again ALL three have the same meaning and history. Again because you’re arrogant you see this but refuse to admit it. Again according to what you’re saying you regularly belittle special needs with slurs. Oh wait language changes and that’s not the intended usage within context.
Finally, my dude who do you think you are, that I have to lie about people in my family having special needs? I mean seriously how pretentious do you have to be?
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I’ve said all I need to say on the subject. You’re resurrecting it weeks later to confirm your gymnastics to justify using a slur, that’s defined as a slur. You can stick to your hypocrisy and I’ll happily get on with my life.
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@darth timon
Says the dude who is necroing a thread check the date of the post. It’s okay we all embarrass ourselves sometimes… (pats head)
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You mean the post from the 15th of September that you only just replied to? Yeah, pat yourself on the head, you’ve earned that…
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Actually, that was my fault. I only realized today that Stew’s post was stuck in moderation.
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Fair enough.
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@darth timon
As I said it’s okay we all embarrass ourselves sometimes…
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Indeed, but hopefully one day you’ll stop embarrassing yourself. Fingers crossed!
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@darth timon
And maybe one day you’ll learn to be able to form a consistent, logical argument and gain some grasp of the English language along with etymology. But we can only dream…we can only dream…
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Tell you what, when you can demonstrate such skills (unlikely but you never know!) I’ll follow your example.
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@darth timon
Oh if that’s all you needed, amazingly there are a couple fantastic highlights on this thread. For example your lack of consistency in regards to word usage by saying quote:
“…referring to words that no longer convey such meaning”
Alrighty now. Choices presented before are once again back in effect so I’ll put that backup as a reminder:
“Yawn. I’ll keep this simple as I have gone back and forth long enough either condemn “moron” and “idiot” usage, create a reasonable defense for your distinction or I’ll have to respectfully bow out of this conversation while keeping “retarded” in my vocabulary.”
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I’ve said all I need to say. I was content for this discussion to have ended weeks ago, until (through no fault of yours but also no fault of mine) it appeared in my inbox. Cling to whatever long-winded justifications you need to justify your causal use of a term which is used as an ableist slur. If that is how you choose to operate, then you will do so regardless of anything anyone else has to say. I wish you well.
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It simply seems like you are going to a painfully large amount of effort to justify using a slur. Whether ableist or racial doesn’t matter – you objected, quite rightly, to Paul using slurs like paki, because of their negative, offensive connotations, yet you would wield other slurs without thinking. Double standards indeed!
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@darthtimon
I’m sorry my comment never got approved Webster considered moron and idiot as slurs as well:
1. moron- dated, now offensive: a person affected with mild intellectual disability
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moron
2. idiot- dated, now offensive : a person affected with extreme intellectual disability
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/idiot
3. retard- offensive : a person affected with mental retardation
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retard#h1
As I said ouch! Next, I am not “justifying a slur” as I don’t think its a slur and is on the same level as “moron” and “idiot” you are simply a hypocrite and have yet to refute this point. You pick and choose things because it makes you feel good to try and “check” others when you could care less what is or isn’t offensive much less for the people you claim to defend. It is as I said “self-righteous masturbation” (“Ohhhh yeah, I’m such a ‘good’ person…”)
This discussion was over when you said:
“… referring to words that no longer convey such meaning.”
This means to you once a word no longer conveys that meaning it is acceptable usage. I know that arrogance won’t let you admit you’re wrong but it’s okay, I expect nothing less.
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There’s an awful lot of irony from you Stew, and it seems painfully obviously you’re too conceited to see it.
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@darttimon
Yawn. I’ll keep this simple as I have gone back and forth long enough either condemn “moron” and “idiot” usage, create a reasonable defense for your distinction or I’ll have to respectfully bow out of this conversation while keeping “retarded” in my vocabulary.
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Consider for a moment that you’re doing exactly what Paul does. He uses defamatory words, known to cause offense, for the very purpose of doing so, yet those words are also used in different context, as you are aware. I have already supplied you with plenty of information regarding how the term retard is offensive, and you have chosen to ignore it. It is clear I cannot overcome your ignorance.
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@darthtimon
No, I believe you simply can’t overcome your inconsistency. You once again are picking and choosing what is or isn’t offensive as you will continue to use moron and idiot despite, once again for the people in the back, THE EXACT SAME HISTORY AND MEANING. As I have said and will continue it is “selective outrage” which is why you have tapped danced around the point.
Furthermore, you once again commit another fallacy, Williams saying “black culture is broken” is not “a once offensive slur” but clear discrimination against an ethnic group based on a false sense of superiority. Saying “retard”, “idiot” and “moron” is not nor is it even directed towards special needs, but some people simply one day decided it was offensive based on their whims and desires. Have a good day and the topic is closed with yours truly until you come back with one of three options presented above.
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