Hadith Database – Hadith of Aisha on Allah Fulfilling the Desires of Prophet Muhammad

Hadith Database – Hadith of Aisha on Allah Fulfilling the Desires of Prophet Muhammad

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بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيْم

“Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) and I used to say, “Can a lady give herself (to a man)?” But when Allah revealed: “You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).’ (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), “I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires.””

Source: Sahih Bukhari, 6:60:311, https://sunnah.com/urn/44660

Status: Sahih

Explanation: This hadith is often misused by Christian apologists to criticize Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and imply that he “faked” revelations that were beneficial to him and thus “prove” that he was a false prophet.

            As the hadith indicates, Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was jealous of the other wives of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), especially when he would marry a woman and thus spend some time with her, even though it would have been the turn of one of the other wives. This is of course a natural feeling, and it shows that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) truly loved the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and wanted to spend as much time with him as possible. But the hadith also shows that this was just her feeling and does not serve as “proof” that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was “faking” revelations to provide benefits for himself.

            In fact, other ahadith narrated by the Sahaba (including Aisha) show that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) underwent great hardships that were only required of him and no one else. If he was “faking” revelations, then why not fake one that absolved him of any difficulties? Here are some examples:

“A’isha reported that when Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) occupied himself in prayer, he observed such a (long) qiyam (posture of standing in prayer) that his feet were swollen. A’isha said: Allah’s Messenger, you do this (in spite of the fact) that your earlier and later sins have been pardoned for you? Thereupon, he said. A’isha should I not prove myself to be a thanksgiving servant (of Allah)?”[1]

“Al-Mughirah bin Shu’bah narrated: “Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) performed Salat until his feet were swollen, so it was said to him: ‘You burden yourself like this, while your past and future sins have been forgiven?’ He said: ‘Shouldn’t I be a grateful worshipper?'””[2]

“Ibn ‘Umar (Allah be pleased with both of them) said that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) forbade uninterrupted fasting. They (some of the Companions) said: You yourself fast uninterruptedly, whereupon he said: I am not like you. I am fed and supplied drink (by Allah).”[3]

“Narrated Aisha: Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) forbade Al-Wisal out of mercy to them. They said to him, “But you practice Al-Wisal?” He said, “I am not similar to you, for my Lord gives me food and drink. “”[4]

These ahadith demonstrate that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) prayed and fasted for longer periods of time and forbade his followers from doing the same so as not to burden them. Why would a false prophet do that?

            Another hadith narrated by Umar ibn Al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) demonstrates the austere living standards of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him):

“I visited Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ), and he was lying on a mat. I sat down and he drew up his lower garment over him and he had nothing (else) over him, and that the mat had left its marks on his sides. I looked with my eyes in the store room of Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ). I found only a handful of barley equal to one sa’ and an equal quantity of the leaves of Mimosa Flava placed in the nook of the cell, and a semi-tanned leather bag hanging (in one side), and I was moved to tears (on seeing this extremely austere living of the Holy Prophet), and he said: Ibn Khattab, what wakes you weep? I said: Apostle of Allah, why should I not shed tears? This mat has left its marks on your sides and I do not see in your store room (except these few things) that I have seen; Caesar and Chosroes are leading their lives in plenty whereas you are Allah’s Messenger. His chosen one, and that is your store! He said: Ibn Khattab, aren’t you satisfied that for us (there should be the prosperity) of the Hereafter, and for them (there should be the prosperity of) this world?”[5]

Yet these austere standards were not required for other Muslims. In fact, on many occasions, the Sahabah offered to make more comfortable beds for the Prophet, but he always turned them down, saying:

“What do I have in common with worldly comforts? My example is that of a traveler who after walking, stops under the shadow of a tree for a while to rest, and after sitting a while continues on his way.”[6]

On one occasion, a woman from the Ansar made a bed with wool and sent it to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), who asked Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) to return it. This incident shows that the luxuries that Muhammad (peace be upon him) did not indulge in himself were not forbidden for his followers.

            This austerity is further demonstrated in a hadith from Malik bin Dinar (may Allah be pleased with him) mentioned in Shamaa’il Tirmidhi that the Prophet:

“…never filled his stomach with meat and bread, except at the time of dafaf [eating together with people]…”[7]

So, while he did occasionally indulge in eating meat and bread together when in the company of other people, he never indulged by himself. Once more, this demonstrates that he placed austere standards of living on himself, but not on his followers. In fact, often times, Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his family would suffer from hunger, to the point that they had to tie stones around their abdomens to alleviate the pangs of hunger. In some cases, he would buy some food with a payment that was to be made at a later time, and would put up something from his belongs as collateral, as shown in the following hadith:

“It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbas said: ‘The Messenger of Allah died when his shield was in pledge with a Jew for thirty Sa’s of barley for his family.’”[8]

Why would a false prophet live in such conditions, especially when he had considerable power?

            Another example that proves that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was sincere in his claim to be a prophet, and could not possibly have faked revelations, we can consider the following hadith:

“Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu`ba: “The sun eclipsed in the lifetime of Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) on the day when (his son) Ibrahim died. So the people said that the sun had eclipsed because of the death of Ibrahim. Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, “The sun and the moon do not eclipse because of the death or life (i.e. birth) of someone. When you see the eclipse pray and invoke Allah.””[9]

When his son Ibrahim died, the Prophet was obviously grieving. On the same day, it just so happened that a solar eclipse occurred, leading some people to conclude that this was a sign pertaining to the death of Ibrahim. Now if Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a false prophet and was faking revelations, would this not have been the perfect time to fake a revelation? Why not concoct a fake revelation that says that the sun and moon indeed eclipse when someone important dies? Or that the sun and moon eclipse to honor Muhammad and his family? Why wouldn’t a fake prophet take advantage of the people’s gullibility to elevate his own status?

            Let us also consider the incident related in Surah Abasa, 80:1–10:

“The Prophet frowned and turned away

Because there came to him the blind man, [interrupting].

But what would make you perceive, [O Muhammad], that perhaps he might be purified

Or be reminded and the remembrance would benefit him?

As for he who thinks himself without need,

To him you give attention.

And not upon you [is any blame] if he will not be purified.

But as for he who came to you striving [for knowledge]

While he fears [Allah],

From him you are distracted.”

As indicated, one day, the Prophet was preaching to a non-Muslim (“…he who thinks himself free of need”), when a blind Muslim man, Abd Allah ibn Umm Maktum,[10] came to ask some questions about Islam. In the moment, the Prophet’s attention was directed at the non-Muslim, so he became annoyed at Ibn Umm Maktum. Because of this momentary lapse, Allah (Gloried and Exalted be He) sent down these verses to admonish the Prophet. In later years, the Prophet would greet Ibn Umm Maktum by saying, “welcome to him on whose account my Lord rebuked me”.[11] Even the Christian translator George Sale noted the respect that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) showed to Ibn Umm Maktum after the verses were revealed. He even made him governor of Medina twice![12] But why would a false prophet deliberately concoct some verses admonishing himself? Why not make excuses and admonish Ibn Umm Maktum instead for not having patience or for being rude?

            Before closing, let us also discuss the Prophet’s marriages. It is known that he had more wives than the maximum number allowed for other Muslims (Surah An-Nisa, 4:3), but this exception made sense as it allowed him to build familial ties. For example, he married Aisha and Hafsa (may Allah be pleased with them both) to ensure strong familial ties between himself and his two closest companions, Abu Bakr and Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both). Indeed, many of his marriages clearly served this purpose. In other cases, he married widows. For example, after the death of Khadijah (may Allah be pleased with her), and around the time the marriage with Aisha was contracted, Muhammad (peace be upon him) married Sawdah bint Zama. According to Taqiuddin an-Nabhani:

“Sawdah was a widow of al-Sukran bin ‘Amr bin ‘Abd Shams, who was one of the Muslims who had migrated to Abbysinia but died on his return to Makkah. Sawdah had embraced Islam with her husband and she had migrated with him. She had suffered the same difficulties and hardships he suffered and faced the same harm he had faced. After the death of her husband he (saw) married her. It has not been reported that Sawdah was beautiful, or that she possessed wealth or social standing, that would make any of the worldly aspects influence the Prophet’s marriage to her. Since the Prophet (saw) had married her after the death of her husband, the only thing we can deduce from this is that he married her to support her and raise her to the position of the mother of the Believers.”[13]

            The Prophet also married Zaynab bint Khuzaymah and Umm Salamah (may Allah be pleased with them both) after they became widows. Zaynab’s husband had been martyred during the Battle of Badr, while Umm Salamah’s husband was martyred after being injured at Uhud.[14] Referring to the marriage to Zaynab bint Khuzaymah, An-Nabhani explains:

“Zaynab was the wife of ‘Ubaydah bin al-Harith bin al-Muttalib who was martyred on the day of Badr: she was not of marked beauty, but she was known for her good nature and kindness, to the extent that she became nicknamed as the ‘mother of the needy.’ She was beyondher youth, but the Messenger of Allah (saw)married her in the second year of the Hijrah, after the battle of Badr and after the martyrdom of her husband.”[15]

Regarding Umm Salamah, he explains that:

“…she was the wife of Abu Salamah, who had a number of sons with her. […] Four months after his death, the Messenger proposed to Umm Salamah herself, but she made excuses that she had a big family and that she had passed her youth. The Prophet, however, persisted until he married her, and he himself saw to her children’s upbringing. So it is clear that the Messenger married those two wives to care for the family of two of his companions after their death.”[16]

These and other examples of his marriages demonstrate that there was a practical reason for the permissibility of marrying more than four wives. In many cases, the reason for marrying was to support widows. In other cases, the marriages served to build strong familial ties.

            This analysis has revealed the foolishness and evil hatred that Christian apologists have for the blessed Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). They slander the greatest man to ever live with low-level polemics which can be easily refuted but which the slanderers stubbornly repeat. These people do not believe in honest and fair discussions. They would much rather indulge in petty propaganda by twisting the facts.

And Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He) knows best!


[1] Sahih Muslim, 52:79, https://sunnah.com/muslim/52/79.

[2] Jami at-Tirmidhi, 2:265, https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/2/265.

[3] Sahih Muslim, 13:69, https://sunnah.com/muslim/13/69.

[4] Sahih Bukhari, 30:71, https://sunnah.com/bukhari/30/71.

Al-Wisal was the practice of uninterrupted fasting. As the hadith from Sahih Bukhari states, the Prophet forbid his followers from doing it out of mercy, as it was very difficult, but did it himself. Why would a false prophet burden himself with such difficulties? In the commentary of Riyad As-Salihin, it states the Prophet’s statement “..for my Lord gives me food and drink” means:

“…Allah has bestowed upon him the power of endurance like that of a person who eats and drinks” (https://sunnah.com/riyadussaliheen/1/230).

[5] Sahih Muslim, 18:40, https://sunnah.com/muslim/18/40.

[6] As quoted by Maulana Muhammad Zakariyya Kandhelwi in his commentary on Shamaa’il Tirmidhi, trans. Muhammad bin Abdurrahmaan Ebrahim (New Delhi: Islamic Book Service, 2010), p. 335.

[7] Ibid., p. 392.

[8] Sunan An-Nasa’i, 44:203, https://sunnah.com/nasai/44/203.

[9] Sahih Bukhari, 16:4, https://sunnah.com/bukhari/16/4.

[10] The Study Quran: A New Translation and Commentary, ed. Seyyed Hossein Nasr (New York: HarperOne, 2015), p. 1474.

[11] Ibid.

[12] http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/7440/pg7440-images.html

[13] Taqiuddin an-Nabhani, The Social System in Islam (Hizb ut Tahrir, 2003), p. 214, http://www.ht-bangladesh.info/sites/default/files/books/Social%20system.pdf.

[14] Ibid., p. 218.

[15] Ibid.

[16] Ibid.

 

121 thoughts on “Hadith Database – Hadith of Aisha on Allah Fulfilling the Desires of Prophet Muhammad

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  2. Amirul Afiq

    Bcuz you just reference other ahadith that show the austerity of the Prophet SAW and the inconveniences he endured without even addressing Mother Aisha’s RA statement directly.

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      1. Amirul Afiq

        33:50-52 are used to allege that the Prophet was making up revelations (nauzubillah!). They refer to Mother Aisha to somehow portray that these are “convenient revelations”

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  3. Amirul Afiq

    Bcuz this involves 33:50-52 of the Qur’an which many critics have used to “prove” that the Prophet SAW is so and so. They equate these verses with Mother Aisha’s RA words in order to prove a point.

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  4. Amirul Afiq

    33:50-52 are used to allege that the Prophet SAW was making up revelations (nauzubillah!). They equate these verses with Mother Aisha’s words in order to portray them as “convenient revelations”.

    I haven’t found a thorough and compelling response to this allegation.

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  5. Amirul Afiq

    There are also narrations from ibn Sa’d’s Kitab al-Tabaqat where the Prophet SAW loved women and perfume and food.

    Obviously the critics made a connection with these narrations, the verses and Mother Aisha’s statement.

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  6. Amirul Afiq

    What can we say about the hadith below? It’s taken from pg. 57 of the book ‘Ash Shifa’ by Qadi Iyad who quoted it from At-Tabarani:

    In the hadith of Anas, the Prophet said, “I have been preferred over people in four things: generosity, courage, much intercourse and great power.”

    Is the hadith even properly translated let alone authentic? What is the meaning of ‘much intercourse’? How can the prophet speak highly of intercourse in this hadith as if he is enamoured by it? Again the critics have deduced from this report that the Prophet peace be upon him was a voluptuary (Astaghfirullah)

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  7. Tiyaan

    Salam Amirul Afiq,

    Regarding the narration where it says “Prophet SAW loved women and perfume and food.”, there is nothing wrong with it at all. It is simply talking about his wives, his daughter, his aunts etc. We don’t have to think this is about coveting those who are not permissible. The Prophet(saw) is of the highest character and women loved him, including Aishah(ra) who felt jealous of his other wives.

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    1. stewjo004

      @Tiyaan

      That was an interesting way to look at the hadith. I was just thinking so what I agree with these statements when that become a crime?

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    2. Amirul Afiq

      Not a compelling response. There are narrations in ibn Sa’d’s Kitab where the Prophet SAW also had the libido 40 men. So the Prophet SAW had the sexual strength of 40 men, loved women and perfume and was allowed to have more wives. Doesn’t this point to something??

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    1. stewjo004

      @amirul afiq

      Hard to argue he was voluptuary when looking at his house:

      As for the women comment, the answer is…so? He likes women, guess what so do I and every other man on planet earth. The problem is remembering Christians have usually oppressed themselves when it comes to the topic of sex and they think “holy people” aren’t supposed to have desires for it.

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  8. Amirul Afiq

    Can anybody honestly ascertain how any of this is “acceptable”? The reports below are taken from ibn Sa’d’s Kitab Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir, volume 1 part 2 under sections 77 and 90 :

    Volume 1, Parts 11.77. 1

    ‘Ubayd Allah Ibn Musa informed us on the authority of Usamah Ibn Zayd, he on the authority of Safwan Ibn Sulaym, he said: The Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, said: Gabriel brought a kettle from which I ate and I was given the power of sexual intercourse equal to forty men.

    Volume 1, Parts II.77.2

    Abu Ghassan Malik Ibn Isma’il informed us: Isra’il informed us on the authority of Layth, he on the authority of Mujahid; he said: The Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, was given the power equal to that of forty men and the people of paradise will be given the power equal to eighty men.

    Volume 1, Parts II.77.3

    Muhammad Ibn ‘Abd Allah al-Asadi and Qabisah Ibn ‘Uqbah informed us; they said: Sufyan informed us on the authority of Ma’mar, he on the authority of Tawas; he said: The Prophet, may Allah bless him, was granted the power of sexual intercourse equal to that of forty men.

    and….

    Volume 1, Parts II.90.2

    Musa Ibn Isma’il informed us: Abu Bishr Sahib al-Basri informed us on the authority of Yunus, he on the authority of al-Hasan; he said: The Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, said: I like not from worldly life but perfumes and women.

    Volume 1, Parts II.90.3

    ‘Abd Allah Ibn Ja v far al-Raqqi informed us: Abu al-Mulayh informed us on the authority of Maymun; he said: The Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, did not receive from wordly luxuries except perfume and women.

    Volume 1, Parts II.90.5

    Al-Fadl Ibn Dukayn informed us: Musa Ibn Qays al-Hadrami informed us on the authority of Salamah Ibn Kuhayl; he said: The Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, did not obtain any thing from wordly objects DEARER TO HIM than women and perfumes.

    Volume 1, Parts II.90.6

    ‘Affan Ibn Muslim informed us: Abu Hilal informed us on the authority of Qatadah, he on the authority of Ma’qil Ibn Yasar; he said: Nothing was DEARER TO THE Prophet of Allah, may Allah bless him, than a horse. Then he said: O Allah ! excuse me, nay ! the women.

    Volume 1, Parts II.90.4

    Al-Fadl Ibn Dukayn informed us; Isra’il informed us on the authority of Abu Ishaq, he on the authority of a person who related on the authority of v Ayishah she said: The Prophet of Allah, may peace be on him, LIKED three worldly objects- perfume, women and food. He obtained two and did not obtain one. He obtained women and perfumes but did not get food.

    A similar Hadith is found in Sunan an-Nasa’i :

    It was narrated that Anas said: “The Messenger of Allah said: ‘In this world, women and perfume have been MADE DEAR to me, and my comfort has been provided in prayer.'”

    Again no serious answer. I guess we just shrug it off as human nature? I say again there has been an attempt to link these narrations to 33:50-53 and Aisha’s RA words. WHY WOULD THE PROPHET SAW SPEAK OF THIS AS IF HE WAS ENAMOURED AND BOASTFUL ABOUT IT? So far the responses are either weak or indifferent.

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  9. Amirul Afiq

    So are we gonna ignore all of this? According tongue critics they provide a “context” to the words of Aisha RA. They don’t see it as mere spousal jealousy, they see it as a real concern on the part of out Mother RA. They believe that this is evidence of Aisha RA having “doubts” on the Prophet SAW and the Revelations of the Qur’an (nauzubillah)

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    1. And who cares what the unbelievers think? The burden of proof is on them to prove that Aisha had some “doubts”. Appealing to the Hadith doesn’t prove anything about Aisha’s feelings. It’s a non-sequitur. You seem to think too highly of the opinions of kafirs.

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      1. Amirul Afiq

        The point of the matter is that it is inconsistent on what the Prophet SAW taught in other places!

        We’re supposed to strive for the hereafter above all else and not indulge in worldly desires!!

        This is a serious problem. I don’t actually believe these narrations to be reliable. But I’m not a scholar so I can’t make that call

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  10. Amirul Afiq

    We have all the time refuting critics regarding other aspects within the life of the Prophet SAW like his unions with Aisha RA, Zaynab RA and Safiyyah RA, Jihad, his Prophethood, Political life etc. But there’s scant or insufficient attempts to address his SAW marriages

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    1. Amirul Afiq

      We have all the time defending the Qur’an from arguments of preservation, selected verses, alleged “contradictions”, violent verses etc. But little to no effort with 33:50-53

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      1. Amirul Afiq

        Nothing to refute? Oh man if you only realized the implications and their affects on other aspects.

        So we’re just gonna ignore it then?

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      2. Ugh, once again, people’s opinions and feelings don’t dictate how the Prophet lived. If you’re so sensitive to something like this, then you try to “refute” it.

        We refute lies against the Prophet. We don’t apologize for his personal life. He was the best human being and the messenger of God. Who cares what anyone else thinks?

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      1. Amirul Afiq

        Don’t you realize that it contradicts this verse?….

        Beautified for people is the love of that which they desire – of women and sons, heaped-up sums of gold and silver, fine branded horses, and cattle and tilled land. That is the enjoyment of worldly life, but Allah has with Him the best return. (3:14)

        Another common argument from critics is that the Prophet SAW was inconsistent and was allowed to enjoy worldly luxuries while denying them to his followers (Astaghfirullah)

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  11. stewjo004

    @Amirul Afiq

    To begin the work you quoted from is basically equivalent to Ibn Ishaq’s work so I’m going to need to see grading on the individual isnad:

    “In view of the importance of Ibn Sad’s Kitabal-Tabaqatal-Kabir as one of the earliest works on the biographical literature of Islam…No doubt, many of the narrations included in the Tabaqat are fabricated and untrustworthy and cannot be accepted as authority…”
    https://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/kitab-al-tabaqat-al-kabir-set-of-2-volumes-NAG992/

    But my thing is again…and? First off most of these kuffar are regular fornicators and in no position to talk about anybody. He(saw) never fornicated or anything like that. Next, the ayat you quoted is a proof for not against:

    ” The desires that are alluring for men are the love of women, children, piles of gold and silver, fast, branded horses, livestock, and well taken care of land….”

    Allah just said men like this. There is nothing wrong with it as long as you don’t obsess over it. We are allowed to like nicce things. Look at Suleiman(as), he had WAY more wives and Allah straight-up said he liked fast horses (which are the equivalent to fast cars nowadays)

    The problem is as YQ said that people build up an image of the Prophet(saw) (usually influenced by Christian thought) and then are “shocked” when they see he’s a human-like everybody else. That is why he is an example, he has desires (like againYusuf(as) who WANTED to have sex with the governor’s wife but didn’t) but he fulfills his desires permissibly. I can relate to this person not some warped false piety “saint”.

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    1. Amirul Afiq

      The point of me quoting that verse is to show that Islam teaches self-control. I’m already aware of that. I quoted it as an anticipation of an anti-islamic argument. The critics would try to prove a supposed inconsistency on the Prophet SAW, which is the point of the comment.

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    2. Amirul Afiq

      You quoting Yusuf AS in a disparaging manner is unacceptable akhi. There’s no indication that Yusuf AS wanted to make love with the woman. It was the woman who was trying to seduce him and the blessed Prophet consistently rebuffed her affections.

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      1. stewjo004

        @amirul afiq

        It is not unacceptable as Allah says he would have done in the Quran:

        Muhsin
        “And indeed she did desire him and HE WOULD HAVE INCLINED TO HER DESIRE, had he not seen the evidence of his Lord… (12:24)

        Haleem
        “She made for him, and HE WOULD HAVE SUCCUMBED TO HER if he had not seen evidence of his Lord…” (12:24)

        Sahih
        ” And she certainly determined [to seduce] him, and HE WOULD HAVE INCLINED TO HER had he not seen the proof of his Lord…” (12:24)

        Every other translation:
        https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/12/24/default.htm

        Now from Ibn Kathir:

        “This is about the thoughts that cross the mind…As for the evidence that Yusuf saw at that moment, there are conflicting opinions to what it was. Ibn Jarir At-Tabari said, “The correct opinion is that we should say that he saw an Ayah from among Allah’s Ayat that repelled the thought that crossed his mind…”
        http://m.qtafsir.com/Surah-Yusuf/Wife-of-the-%60Aziz-loves-Yusuf—-

        So YES he was VERY interested in having sex with her but knew it was haram so he didn’t which is why Allah praised him and made him an example. The self-control lies in NOT doing what Allah has made haram. Again the problem is you have an unrealistic understanding of the prophets being humans and are taking from Christian thought.

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      2. Amirul Afiq

        First of all, the verses only say that in a hypothetical manner. The Prophet AS didn’t fall for her advances bcuz of his unrelenting taqwa. HAD (in a hypothetical sense) Allah SWT not strengthened him, he would certainly fall for her. The point is that the Prophet DIDN’T INCLINE to her desire.

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      3. Amirul Afiq

        Not critiquing ibn Kathir here, but even he himself pointed out there’s disagreement as to the nature of the event as per the quote you provided.

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      4. Amirul Afiq

        The Arabic used is, “law” which is equivalent to the english “had”. It refers to something that is impossible based on proven facts. For example, “Had human beings have wings we would be able to fly”.

        But we don’t have wings, hence the hypothetical language

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  12. stewjo004

    @amirul afiq

    You’re being argumentative as what you just said counters nothing. Allah says “he would have succumbed to her” the debate is NOT if he wanted to have sex with her or not, the debate is what sign from Allah did he see that stopped him from doing it. EVERY muffassir agrees to this again here is the two jalals:

    “And she certainly desired him, she sought sexual intercourse with him, and he would have desired her [too], he would have sought the same, had it not been that he saw the proof of his Lord: Ibn ‘Abbās said, ‘Jacob was made to appear before him, and he struck his [Joseph’s] breast, whereupon his [sexual] desire withdrew [from his body] through his fingernails (the response to lawlā, ‘had it not been’, has been omitted: [understood to be] la-jāma‘ahā, ‘he would have lain with her’). So it was, that We made him see the proof, that We might ward off from him evil, betrayal, and lewdness, [the act of] fornication.

    Click to access Al_Jalalain_Eng.pdf

    What Tabari was stating is since Allah didn’t mention the sign we shouldn’t speculate and Ibn Kathir was agreeing. Again you have this odd concept about the prophets as there is no sin in desiring something nor is it written down on the scale this is why Ibn Kathir quoted the hadith Qudsi:

    Allah the Exalted said, `If my slave intends to perform a good deed, then record it for him as one good deed; if he performs it, then record it for him multiplied ten folds. If he intends to commit an evil act but did not commit it, then record it for him as one good deed, if he left it for My sake. But if he commits it, then write it as one evil deed.’)

    I have no idea why you think angels who have no desire for anything are an example for humans.

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    1. He is applying what I can only describe as extreme monasticism. Of course, desire is not a sin and enjoying sexual relations with spouses is perfectly alright. In fact, it can be an act of worship as well, since we are obeying Allah (swt) and only enjoying sex within the confines of marriage and avoiding illegal sexual acts such as sodomy.

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      1. stewjo004

        @ QB

        I don’t want to accuse him I think he just has a misunderstanding like how the Gnostics did that the world is “evil”. Unfortunately, a lot of people think it’s weird that prophets enjoyed things (Like my Suleiman(as) example) it’s like when I see people saying “the Prophet(saw) didn’t marry for desire” and I’m like yeah he did. it is said in the hadith he thinks she’s attractive. Again we shouldn’t be obsessing over the dunya and remeber that we will die but Allah did leave things for us to use and enjoy.

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      2. stewjo004

        @QB

        Maybe you’re right. I do think this is more than just the narration now (which quick note given the source and barring isnad criticism I doubt)

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    2. stewjo004

      @ amirul afiq

      Also, I forgot regarding your “had” comment this ayah is like Allah’s saying about Musa’s (as) mother when she ut him in the river:

      The next day, Musa’s mother’s heart began to leak (in sorrow) and had I not tied off her overwhelmed heart, she would’ve told everything about him. (28:10)

      it means she wanted to do the action of telling them Musa(as) is her baby but Allah strengthend her heart to keep silent. The same thing applies in the ayah Yusuf(as) wanted to have sex with the young beutiful rich woman and would have had Allah not strengthened him. I don’t know why you think this is bad he(as) is now one of the people given shade:

      The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “Seven are (the persons) whom Allah will give protection with His Shade* on the Day when there will be no shade except His Shade…and they are… a man whom a beautiful and high ranking woman seduces (for illicit relation), but he (rejects this offer by saying): ‘I fear Allah…”

      Notice the pophet(saw) never mentioned “he was not tempted” again what man wouldn’t be? But his taqwa is stronger than his desire which is why he’s rewarded.

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      1. stewjo004

        @amiru afiq

        Oh because it just occurred to me, let’s look what he(as) says after the woman brings friends and basically ups the offer to having sex with all of them:

        Haleem
        “Joseph said, ‘My Lord! I would prefer prison to what these women are calling me to do. If You do not protect me from their treachery, I shall yield to them and do wrong” (12:32)

        https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/12/st3.htm

        So again how is he not being tempted when he basically just said:

        “Allah if you don’t protect me I’m going to give in”

        He(as) wanted to do it.

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      2. Amirul Afiq

        I gave the example of the angels is BECAUSE HUMANS DO NOT HAVE WINGS.

        Let me give other examples :

        Had I not eat that expired bread, I wouldn’t got a stomach ache.

        Here the person is saying that because of what he did i.e. he ate the bread, he got a stomach ache. He thought that had he not (in a hypothetical sense) ate the bread he wouldn’t got sick.

        Similar to the example I gave and the verse you quoted

        Had Allah SWT not strengthened him, he would have succumb to her affections. Meaning HE DID NOT SUCCUMB TO HER BECAUSE ALLAH SWT STRENGTHENED HIM. THEREFORE HE WAS NOT AROUSED.

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      3. Amirul Afiq

        Even 12:32 doesn’t prove anything. Yusuf AS was praying for Allah SWT to strengthen his resilience. Meaning he was not falling for her. He was still resilient. He was asking Allah SWT to reinforce his resolve.

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  13. Amirul Afiq

    Uh strawman.

    I never said the Prophets could not have desire.

    What I was arguing is that the Prophets could not have excessive desire.

    I only brought out the accusation against the Prophet bcuz it seems CONTRADICTORY TO NON-EXCESSIVENESS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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  14. Amirul Afiq

    I say again…..

    33:50-52, the polygamous life, the narrations of loving women, perfume and having the sexual strength of 40 men and Aisha’s RA words all point to excessiveness as per accusation.

    Having human desire is natural and not contradictory.

    But…..

    EXCESSIVENESS IS CONTRADICTORY.

    THE ACCUSATION POINTS TO EXCESSIVENESS.

    This is what I want someone to respond.

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  15. Amirul Afiq

    Here is the verse again….

    “Joseph said, ‘My Lord! I would prefer prison to what these women are calling me to do. If You do not protect me from their treachery, I shall yield to them and do wrong” (12:32)

    The words of the Prophet AS is proof that he did not succumb to her.

    Had (again in the hypothetical sense) Allah SWT not given him extra help, he would have fallen for her.

    T

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  16. Amirul Afiq

    Here is the verse again….

    “Joseph said, ‘My Lord! I would prefer prison to what these women are calling me to do. If You do not protect me from their treachery, I shall yield to them and do wrong” (12:32)

    The words of the Prophet AS is proof that he did not succumb to her.

    Had (again in the hypothetical sense) Allah SWT not given him extra help, he would have fallen for her.

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    1. Amirul Afiq

      The Arabic “law” points to an hypothesis. You didn’t respond, or failed to understand, this point.

      Another example….

      Had Allah SWT not willed it, mankind would be one community.

      What this means is that Allah SWT had willed for mankind to split into sects. Hence it is a HYPOTHETICAL situation.

      The same is referred to the verses regarding Yusuf AS.

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      1. Amirul Afiq

        Perhaps what can be said from all this is that the example of Prophet Yusuf AS is a poor example. Since it is talking about falling into sin i.e. adultery.

        Not about having human desire. Of course you can have desire.

        What I was arguing about is EXCESSIVE DESIRE.

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      2. Amirul Afiq

        No one said anything about the Prophet SAW falling into sin.

        But what seems contradictory is EXCESSIVE LOVE AND DESIRE.

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      3. Amirul Afiq

        This is going nowhere.

        All I wanted was someone to respond to the accusation.

        It seems nobody sees the connection.

        I’ll ask someplace else

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      4. No one sees the connection because there is none. You think alot like the kafirs, unfortunately. I think you need to wean yourself off reading kafir material. There is nothing wrong with having desires for sex. Stop placing the prophets in an over-exaggerated pedestal.

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      5. Amirul Afiq

        Oh for Allah’s sake. How many times do I have to make it clear. Having desires is not wrong.

        What is wrong is EXCESSIVE DESIRES.

        The reports and verses seem to point to EXCESSIVENESS which is contradictory!

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      6. Amirul Afiq

        Many verses and prophetic Hadith emphasize the importance of non-extravagence and self-control.

        All the points I given seem to contradict that.

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      7. Amirul Afiq

        I did not argue against desiring wives.

        My point was about desiring multiple marriages and loving women and perfume. Again it excessive and contradictory

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      8. Your “point” is based on your own arrogant opinion. Who are you to decide? You need to humble yourself and accept that your personal views do not matter and no one cares about them, since Allah is the final authority. We follow Allah and His messenger. We don’t follow you or any other person who thinks highly of his personal opinions.

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      9. Amirul Afiq

        Who are you calling arrogant? It’s not my opinion. It’s the critics’.

        I only came here to ask for someone to defend the Prophet SAW against these accusations.

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      10. And you can’t seem to understand that the opinions of the critics are meaningless. We will defend our prophet from false accusations and lies, but we will not apologize for his actions that were in line with Islamic law just because some moron kafirs think it was “excessive”. As I said before, you think too highly of their opinions. You should know better.

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  17. Amirul Afiq

    I’ll concede that Yusuf AS did have desires. But l was arguing about EXCESSIVE DESIRE which of course the Prophet AS did not have. Hence quoting Yusuf AS is not a good example.

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    1. mr.heathcliff

      how does having sexual strength of 40 men = excessive? If Allah gifted this ability, then one can understand it as prophet pbuh praising the one who gave ability.

      there is nothing in the statement which says

      “I banged 40 women and smashed them all”

      the missionaries have porn filled mind which wants you to think about emissions and different dick sizes due to filth in their books.

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      1. You clearly have no answer. Do you know what a non-sequitur is? You’re a bit too high on yourself and your opinions. Please reassess your opinions.

        I’ll ask one last time. Get over yourself and answer with evidence, not logical fallacies. What is considered “excessive”?

        Having potency of 40 men means what? Did he save sex 40 times a day?

        Loving women and perfume? What’s wrong with that?

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  18. Amirul Afiq

    I never said about having intercourse 40 times a day!

    Forget it. That’s enough. I’ll ask someplace else. No one sees the argument and the implications.

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    1. Lol, don’t blame others for your own failures, brother. You can’t seem to accept that you have no argument, only your own opinion. All you have done is claim that “oh having potency of 40 men is excessive” but when asked to define want is “excessive”, you failed.

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      1. Amirul Afiq

        Failed?

        So you don’t see having the strength of 40 men and loving women is excessive? In case you’ve forgotten the Prophet SAW had many wives. Hence the argument.

        Thanks for proving my point. No one sees it.

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      2. Amirul Afiq

        Unfortunately no one’s taking it seriously. Giving a thumbs up is the only good thing you’ve done for yourselves.

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  19. mr.heathcliff

    so if prophet said i have strength of x number of people to perform action y, gifted by Allah, can you tell me what the hell do you mean excessive when you know that one action is not the end all and be all of prophets life. are you thinking of pimps?

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    1. Amirul Afiq

      Get that disgusting fantasy out if your head. I love our Prophet SAW.

      I was only emphasizing the critics’ argument for you understand the implications, sheesh!

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      1. Amirul Afiq

        IT’S NOT MY ARGUMENT DAMNIT!

        IT’S THR CRITICS’!

        THE REASON I CAME HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE IS TO ASK FOR THOROUGH RESPONSE AND HELP STRUGGLING MUSLIMS!!!

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      2. And you were given a response. You just don’t like it. The response is that we don’t have to apologize on behalf of the Prophet for the opinionated critiques of the kafirs. We are not here to please them. It’s like if someone says “I don’t like the idea of eternal hellfire”. This is an opinion that does not need to be responded to. Do you understand?

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      3. Amirul Afiq

        I don’t know I’m asking mr.heathcliff here. Let him explain himself.

        Is he accusing of having a depraved mind?

        Is he saying that I’m blaspheming Allah SWT Who is the One Who blessed the Prophet SAW

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      4. Amirul Afiq

        The reason I don’t like it is bcuz it is weak and insufficient. It is almost as if you’re saying that the Prophet SAW married the Mothers of Believers bcuz it is just a blessing from Allah SWT.

        If that’s the case then there’s nothing necessarily noble about the marriages, with the exception of Sawda RA and Zaynab RA. The latter was married out of a divine ordinance, while the former was married out of necessity with the hopes that the daughters of the Prophet SAW were looked after in the wake Khadijah’s RA death. Correct me if I’m wrong

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      5. Who cares? We’re not here to please them. They can go to hell if they don’t like it. Islam doesn’t need to be “sanitized” to make it more palatable to the unbelievers. We don’t say “let’s allow homosexuality now because it is widely accepted in the world” just to please the modernists, right? The same can be said about this topic.

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      6. Amirul Afiq

        I don’t get it. It’s hard to digest.

        That would mean 33:50-53 were nothing more than a divine favor. Nothing that would necessarily benefit the Ummah.

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      7. Amirul Afiq

        No one will never understand it, especially the words of Aisha RA, the response you’ve given and the implications thereof.

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  20. stewjo004

    @Amirul Afiq

    For one, you’re tripping off ahadith that we don’t even know the authenticity of and is more than likely weaker given its source. For example, we know the prophet(saw) was shy so it’s unlikely he would talk about his sexual prowess out of the blue.

    Next, let’s say hypothetically it was sahih or hassan, the man has 9 wives do you think he’s not going to sexually satisfy these women? Even if we ignore this there is an ayah where Allah counters the Jews who made this argument about “women”

    Or, is it that they’re jealous of people because of what Allah has given them of His Blessing, while I gave the descendants of Abraham the Scripture, wisdom and a great kingdom? Some of them believed in it and some turned away from it. But Hell blazes fiercely enough… (4:54-55)

    Jalalayn
    Or, nay, are they jealous of people, namely, of the Prophet (s), for the bounty that God has bestowed upon them, in the way of prophethood and abundance of women? In other words, they wish that he be deprived of such things, saying, ‘If he were truly a prophet, he would not be concerned with women’. For We gave the House of Abraham, his forefather, the likes of Moses, David and Solomon, the Book and wisdom, and prophethood, and We gave them a mighty kingdom: David had ninety–nine women, and Solomon had a thousand, free women and slavegirls

    Basically, Allah’s saying stop hating because I blessed him(saw) like how other prophets were blessed with women. There is nothing in Islam that says one can’t like women we have the opposite in fact:

    “It was narrated that Khalid bin Yazid Al-Juhani said:

    …The Messenger of Allah said… play is only in three things: A man training his horse, and PLAYING WITH HIS WIFE, and shooting with his bow and arrow. Whoever gives up shooting after learning it because he is no longer interested in it, that is a blessing for which he is ungrateful -or that he has rejected.'”
    https://sunnah.com/nasai/28/18

    That is not excessiveness, that is being manly. These people are simply firing off anything and being haters while they fornicate with everything that moves. There is NOTHING you can say to people who think holy people cant have desires. For example, they call Ibrahim(as) a fornicator for having two wives authobillah)

    Again we can tell he is not excessive because:

    1. His house and living was simple
    2. He was offered women by Quraish and rejected
    3. He gave away what would be equivalent to millions of dollars at the drop of a hat after the battle of Hunain (which is why the Quraish leaders knew something was different and he doesn’t want power)
    4. Even if you want to use 33:50-53 read the last verse:
    “No other women are allowed to you beyond this, nor can you change them for others, even though you might be attracted by their beauty…”

    Also if you look at the first verse there is a prohibition on him that is not on other Muslims his cousins had to have migrated with him which is why he had to turn down offers.

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    1. Amirul Afiq

      Oh yeah 4:54-55 are also used by critics to prove their point.

      They argued that the Jews started to see the Prophet’s SAW true nature and declared him false (nauzubillah)

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      1. Amirul Afiq

        Well they would argue back that there is disagreement within the Jewish literature on the Prophethood of Dawud AS and Sulayman AS

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      2. stewjo004

        @ Amirul Afiq

        Christians (and let’s be honest these are the ones complaining can’t)

        Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. And so, because HE WAS A PROPHET and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay,” (Acts 2:29-31).

        And if they keep battling you from the Talmud:

        “”The Gemara poses a question: Who were the early prophets? Rav Huma says: This is referring to David, and Samuel, and Solomon.” (Babylonian Talmud, Sotah 48b)

        More references so that this isn’t really a debate:
        https://carm.org/was-david-a-prophet

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  21. stewjo004

    @ Amirul Afiq

    To begin you don’t have to speak in 3rd person when addressing me if you have something to say all you gotta do is @ me

    Next, no one made takfeer on you stop being dramatic. As noted by QB all everyone did was poke holes in the arguments made by kuffar. I don’t have a problem with the Prophet’s(saw) marriages it’s bothering you.

    Mr.heathcliff (logically might I add) argued that one cannot say he(saw) is “excessive” when looking at his(saw) OVERALL life and that he wasn’t like a pimp (for example women rejected his proposals). As for what you quoted, yes it was a favor for him (even then this still benefited the Ummah as we have more narrations about his family interactions and he basically did every combo of possible marriage that is permissible to serve as an example as a stepdad, widow etc.) But again as mr.heathcliff said you have to look at the OVERALL life for example there are things in the Quran and Sunnah that were HARDER for him than regular Muslims for example:

    1.He had to pray 6 times a day instead of 5 as Witr was obligatory for him

    2.He had to fast for days at a time instead of sunset to sundown

    3. He couldn’t marry certain people

    4. Couldn’t accept charity

    Again if he(saw) was lying would he place prohibitions on himself? This is why you have to look at the overall and not just isolate things. These people do not really care; they are trying to score cheap points with their ignorant audience. In the real world if you just say what I just did “yeah so what who doesn’t marry people they’re attracted to” the situation will usually be dead.

    Finally, all marriages are noble because it is something Allah sanctioned. He(saw) married women because he thought they were beautiful again WHO DOESN’T DO THIS? Yes, they had other traits and factors which helped finalize the marriage but it’s a naive and unrealistic argument to say he is a “false prophet” because he was attracted to them(ra).

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    1. Amirul Afiq

      What can be said is lack of adab and forethought. Such depraved projection is unacceptable. Even if no one made takfir, it can be mistakenly implied.

      What did he mean when he was referring to pimps within the context of the Prophet’s marriages??

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      1. Amirul Afiq

        I’m still struggling to accept it.

        What I mean by favor is that it was only a concession not necessarily beneficial to the Ummah. It was but a pleasurable reward to the Prophet SAW on this world. A reflection of what true believers will receive in Jannah

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      2. Amirul Afiq

        If that’s the case then the basis of 33:50-53 was to reward the Prophet SAW.

        Not necessarily as a teaching method for the Ummah.

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      1. Amirul Afiq

        Anyone reading mr.heathcliff’s comment will make up wild guesses and think I was blaspheming Allah SWT and insulting the Prophet SAW.

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    2. Amirul Afiq

      Heck the one who needs to explain is him. Let him explain himself before I’ll get accused of something I didn’t do. Let him clarify to the readers.

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    3. Amirul Afiq

      Y’know what I’m done.

      I’ll ask someone else.

      What started out as a simple genuine plea for help ends up becoming a brawl

      I won’t be around here to read someone calling me a blasphemer.

      Thnx for nothing.

      Wasalam

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      1. This is the like the fourth time you’ve said this, and yet you come back again and again. You’ve gotten your answer. If you don’t like it, that is your problem, brother. You’re the one who keeps restarting the conversation. Maybe you should stop listening to kafirs and thinking that Muslims need to answer every single one of their silly “critiques”. It might bring you some peace of mind.

        Walaikum as-salaam.

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      2. Amirul Afiq

        Restarting the conversation? By defending my own honor

        We’re way passed the original question now.

        Anyway, wassalam.

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  22. stewjo004

    @ Amirul Afiq

    Oka because apparently this ayah is bothering you let’s go through some wisdoms together

    From ibn kathir:

    “This is justice which avoids going to either extreme, for the Christians do not marry a woman unless there are seven grandfathers between the man and the woman (i.e., they are very distantly related or not at all), and the Jews allow a man to marry his brother’s daughter or his sister’s daughter. So the pure and perfect Shari`ah came to cancel out the extremes of the Christians, and permitted marriage to the daughter of a paternal uncle or aunt, or the daughter of a maternal uncle or aunt, and forbade the excesses of the Jews who allowed marriage to the daughter of a brother or sister which is an abhorrent thing.”

    And yes I looked it up Jewish law recommends marriage to the niece

    “A Man May Marry… The halakhic permission—even encouragement—to marry the daughter of a brother or sister is superseded by the civil law’s prohibition in this case…””

    Funny enough they also say the adopted son’s wife is also permissible thus countering the missionary claim of incest regarding Zaynab

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/468337/jewish/Prohibited-Marriages.htm

    So coming in we already extracted a refutation. ALso the ayah teaches about compromise among spouses Allah says:

    “…This way it’s more likely that their (the wives) eyes will be relieved and not stressed out. And will be pleased with what you give them. Allah knows what’s in your hearts because God is All Knowing and the Most Understanding.”

    So we can also take that even with him being busy he also made sure to accommodate everyone.

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  23. Amirul Afiq

    I never had any contention against the Prophet’s SAW marriage with Zaynab RA. I already conceded that it was a divine ordinance to abrogate adoption.

    Y’see I had to come back to clarify my original question and free myself from any accusations.

    It’s not like I want to restart the conversation.

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    1. stewjo004

      @Amirul Afiq

      My apologies this was a mistake of lack of clarification on my part I wasn’t saying you had an issue with Zaynab(ra) I was saying by studying this one ayah not even related, we found a refutation to the missionary argument against Zaynab(ra)

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