Cerbie/Cerberus is at it again. The dog of hell is still desperately trying to attack Islam, only to get humiliated in the process. Two concurrent debates with the rabid Christian fanatic are underway at BloggingTheology:
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The Jews have Jerusalem and rightly so. Islam can keep Arabia where it belongs.
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Paulus has the right to be a slave for white christian dudes even if they contradict his scriptures.
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Better than being a slave to a white Arabian prophet who traded in black slaves and married little girls.
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“The Jews have Jerusalem and rightly so. Islam can keep Arabia where it belongs.”
Which disproves Christianity, per Ezekiel! Thanks Cerbie, you falsified your own religion!
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“Better than being a slave to a white Arabian prophet who traded in black slaves and married little girls.”
Hahaha, only Cerbie, you silly Christian zombie mutt. Muhammad (pbuh) wasn’t white, and slavery was a face of life in ancient times, and your god’s ancestor Isaac married his wife when she was around 10 years old. Your Canaanite god even allowed coercive sex with concubines.
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…Muhammad (peace be upon him) was an Arab, so being called “white” would not mean he was literally a white man (like Europeans or Americans). As for the ahadith that Chick referred to prove that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a white man, he is simply misinterpreting the meaning. This tends to happen when Christian apologists blindly parrot each other in repeating nonsensical polemics without bothering to do the research. In the hadith, the phrase translated as “this white man” uses the word “الأبْيَضُ” (“abyad”).[38] According to Lane’s “Arabic-English Lexicon”, “abyad” can mean “white” or “having whiteness”.[39] However, it also states:
“[a]pplied to a man…it was sometimes used to signify white in complexion…”
Further, it could also be used to refer to a man as “…pure; free from faults”. But further still, it was used in lexicons and “other post-classical works” as meaning “white; or fair in complexion”.
So when applied to an Arab man like Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), it was actually signifying his white complexion. This is demonstrated in other ahadith which described him as having a “white complexion”:
“Abu Juhaifa reported: I saw Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) that he had white complexion and had some white hair, and Hasan b. ‘Ali resembled him.”[40]
Not only did he have a “white complexion”, but the complexion was also described as “slightly reddish”.[41] He was described as “neither absolutely white nor deep brown”.[42] So, the conclusion is that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was not literally a white man, and no serious scholar has ever described him as such. For example, Watt described him simply as having a “fair” complexion.[43]
As for the claim that he owned black slaves, this was obviously an attempt to characterize him as a racist slave owner like American or European white slave owners. But the reality was that he did not exclusively own black slaves. He also had Arab slaves. Slavery was a fact of life in the ancient world, but it was not as if only blacks were made into slaves and not Arabs, or vice versa. Moreover, Muhammad (peace be upon him) was clearly against racism, as he made clear in his famous “Farewell Sermon”:
“[a]ll mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety (taqwa) and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood.”[44]
Furthermore, in another famous hadith, Muhammad (peace be upon him) reprimanded the companion Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him), who was an Arab, for reproaching Bilal (may Allah be pleased with him), who was an Abyssinian and the first muezzin of Islam, by saying “oh son of a black woman” while they were having an argument. In other words, Abu Dharr got angry at Bilal and denigrated his ethnicity in the heat of the moment. When he heard what Abu Dharr had said, Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
“[h]ave you reproached Bilal about his mother? By the one who revealed the Book to Muhammad, none is better than another except by righteous deeds. You have none but an insignificant amount.””[45]
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Incidentally, it seems that beloved Biblical figures such as Isaac (peace be upon him) also had wives much younger than themselves. Though there is disagreement, the age of Rebecca at the time of her marriage to the forty-year old Isaac is thought to be between 10 and 14 years, and even as young as three! According to the Jewish Encyclopedia:
“[t]he Rabbis disagree as to the age of Rebekah at the time of her marriage to Isaac. The statement of the Seder ‘Olam Rabbah (i.) and Gen. R. (lvii. 1) that Abraham was informed of Rebekah’s birth when he ascended Mount Moriah for the ‘Aḳedah, is interpreted by some as meaning that Rebekah was born at that time, and that consequently she was only three years old at the time of her marriage. Other rabbis, however, conclude from calculations that she was fourteen years old, and that therefore she was born eleven years before the ‘Aḳedah, both numbers being found in different manuscripts of the Seder ‘Olam Rabbah (comp. Tos. to Yeb. 61b). The “Sefer ha-Yashar” (section “Ḥayye Sarah,” p. 38a, Leghorn, 1870) gives Rebekah’s age at her marriage as ten years” (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12610-rebekah).
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Rabbinical Judaism and Raymond brown? Talk about desperate. Notice you can never actually refer to a biblical text. And there lies the difference. You appeal to “opinions” while I appeal to your own Hadith.
Hey im glad we agree that your prophet was a white black slave trading man who marries children!
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“Rabbinical Judaism and Raymond brown? Talk about desperate. Notice you can never actually refer to a biblical text. And there lies the difference. You appeal to “opinions” while I appeal to your own Hadith.
Hey im glad we agree that your prophet was a white black slave trading man who marries children!”
Hahahahaha, yes talk about desperation! No real answer, as usual from our zombie dog Cerbie.
There was no reason for the rabbis to make up Rebekkah’s age. The fact is that it was very common in antiquity. Get over it already.
Brown’s scholarly view is the mainstream and majority view among NT scholars. Again, get over it.
Hey, I’m glad to see you have no real response to any of the issues I humiliated you on!
While we’re at it, how old were the little girls whom Moses allowed the Israelite soldiers to take for themselves?
And since you are denying “rabbinical Judaism”, perhaps you can tell us what was Rebekkah’s age when she married Isaac? Hmm, let’s see what Cerbie can conjure up here…
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Fail.
Is it racist for a person to say they hate Islam and want to stop muslim immigration?
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So, no answer. Should I assume that you know nothing and are just here to make a fool of yourself? What was Rebekkah’s age when she married Isaac? I will even take a range, if you are not sure.
It is xenophobic and racist to hate Muslims. Indeed, it is the same if you hate any particular group of people, even brainwashed Christian zombies like yourselves. By the way Cerbie, were your ancestors Aborigines? 😉
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Oh and how old were the little girls whom Moses divided up among his soldiers? Don’t keep me waiting Cerbie! I’m still waiting for you to conjure up a 1st century manuscript of your NT!
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Ok. So it’s racist to hate Muslims.
1. Therefore Islam is a race according to you.
2 muhammad taught that Muslims are the best of people.
3. Therefore the race of Islam is the best.
4. But muhammad also taught that one race is not better than another.
5. Therefore, you’ve just contradicted your prophet by appeal to racism.
#faizfailsagain
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“Ok. So it’s racist to hate Muslims.
1. Therefore Islam is a race according to you.
2 muhammad taught that Muslims are the best of people.
3. Therefore the race of Islam is the best.
4. But muhammad also taught that one race is not better than another.
5. Therefore, you’ve just contradicted your prophet by appeal to racism.
#faizfailsagain”
LOL, #Cerbiegetsdesperateyetagain and #Cerbiannonsequiturs.
Muhammad (pbuh) taught that Muslims are the best of people because they enjoin right and forbid wrong. Similarly, he taught that no person is better than another person except by piety. So no, I didn’t contradict my beloved prophet. I just exposed you for the nut that you are! Thanks for making it so easy!
Now be a dear and answer my question, will you? Were your ancestors Aborigines?
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Your beloved prophet? You mean you love a man that raped a 9 year old? You love a man that kept and traded black slaves? You love a man that killed critics? You love a man that robbed innocent traders?
You need help little sweet cheeks…
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“Your beloved prophet? You mean you love a man that raped a 9 year old? You love a man that kept and traded black slaves? You love a man that killed critics? You love a man that robbed innocent traders?
You need help little sweet cheeks…”
Still deflecting and not answering my questions? I think you’re the one who needs help, Cerbie. The humiliation just keeps getting worse and worse.
So, how old were the little girls whom Moses divided up among his soldiers? What was Rebekka’s age? Still waiting. Each time you avoid the questions makes the hole you are in deeper. Come now, dear boy. Be a man and try to answer.
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Still waiting for an answer: were your ancestors Aborigines?
I’ll be hear when you come back and hopefully by then, you will have grown a spine and will answer my question. Don’t run away!
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The only deep hole is probably the one old mo dug to hide the 800 Jews he mercilessly murdered. Remember them? Nah, probably not given how much you detest God’s chosen people.
Look at you trying to defend mo by appeal to others. Sorry sweet cheeks, that’s a deflection. Nor do we emulate any wrong doings Moses or others may have done, despite your attempted beating to “guess” about thing real scripture remains silent on. You, however, seeem to be in love with a murderous child rapist. Remember, he was “sinless” in your eyes. Killing those people? No problem in your eyes. Raping kids? No worries! Trading slaves? Hey, no big deal. It’s just my beloved prophet!
Let’s see you marry of your six year old daughter to Williams when you have one….oh wait, he like boys. My bad.
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Hahahaha, back so soon? You enjoy being humiliated, don’t you? You must be a masochist!
Silly boy, where does your Bible say that what Moses did was wrong? Your Canaanite god never rebuked him, so who are you to say he was wrong? Poor cerbie, trying so hard to deny the evil of your Bible by appealing to secular ideals.
Still waiting for Rebekkah’s age, you twit. Be a man and answer.
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Hey Cerbie, your Canaanite god upheld Moses’ ruling and commanded that every soldier receive his share of the “spoils”:
“The Lord said to Moses, 26 “You and Eleazar the priest and the family heads of the community are to count all the people and animals that were captured. 27 Divide the spoils equally between the soldiers who took part in the battle and the rest of the community. 28 From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the Lord one out of every five hundred, whether people, cattle, donkeys or sheep. 29 Take this tribute from their half share and give it to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part. 30 From the Israelites’ half, select one out of every fifty, whether people, cattle, donkeys, sheep or other animals.”
“The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.”
There is not one peep of condemnation from your god for dividing up the little girls. In fact, your god commanded it. So, now that we have exposed your lies, answer the question. How old were these little girls? There is no need to “guess”. The information is there. Historical precedent is there. You have all the help you need to answer the question. And while you are at it, tell me how old Rebekkah was. There’s a good boy…
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“Peter and John (whom you cannot argue against because they are 2 of the 12 disciples eyewitnesses during Jesus lifetime) quoted Psalm 16:10; Psalm 110:1, in Acts 2:24-35 as proof…”
Oooow boy!!! Here we go again!!!
What proof??? Your NT is unreliable to the core. Acts, really? Who wrote it? How do we know the writer is reliable? You don’t even know his name for God’s sake. And don’t say Luke (the companion of paul)!
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Atlas.
We don’t even know your name. Why should we trust you as reliable? By your own criteria you disqualify your comment.
#muslimlogicstrikesagain
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“We don’t even know your name. Why should we trust you as reliable? By your own criteria you disqualify your comment.
#muslimlogicstrikesagain”
BWHAHAHAH, classic Cerbian-logic and a desperate attempt to move the goalpost. Atlas is not anonymously writing a book. Moreover, if need be, he can easily provide you his name if he wants to. On the other hand, your nameless Gospels were written by unknown people who died 2000 years ago and who clearly went out of their way to remain anonymous. There is no way to verify who they were anymore.
#Cerbiegetsdesperateagain
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“Allan Ruhl completely demolished Muslim’s attempts to find Muhammad in the Bible. Poor little Faiz got really frustrated and could not handle the truth. (latter in the comboxes)”
Actually Ken, if you pay attention, you will notice that Allan got very defensive and would not answer my questions. This is typical of Christian apologists.
https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2017/08/20/muhammad-in-the-song-of-songs/
https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2017/09/01/allan-ruhl-and-the-song-of-songs/Like
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“who clearly went out of their way to remain anonymous“
“Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.”
Yes, sounds like Luke was definitely trying to remain anonymous, haha. As I keep telling you. When you rely upon lies and hyperbole you will always get caught out.
Back to your masjid course little muhammadan and learn a bit more about how to practice your taqiyyah a little more effectively.
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Hahaha, awww is poor Cerbie so embarrassed he can’t think straight? The last time I checked, there are FOUR gospels in your NT, right? So, which authors identify themselves in those gospels? And did Jedi Master “Luke” identify himself in Acts?
Back to your empty church to contemplate another way to save yourself from more humiliation.
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Things go from bad to worse for poor Cerbie:
“…neither the Gospel of Matthew nor the Gospel of John was actually written by the apostle whose name it bears – a position held by almost all the major Catholic commentary writers today” (Raymond Brown, The Critical Meaning of the Bible: How a Modern Reading of the Bible Challenges Christians, the Church, and the Churches (New York: Paulist Press, 1981), p. 70).
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Yawn… back to appealing to liberal scholarship I see. Ironic given your fundamentalism on the other thread re secularism. I’ve seeb pigs act more consistent than you
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Yaaawn, oh sorry. Your usual insipid and pathetic response is making me sleepy. A sheepish appeal to the “liberal” scholarship card as usual.
Irony abounds in Cerbie’s responses! Rejecting “liberal” scholarship, then accusing me of being “inconsistent”, and yet appealing to secularist ideals in the other post! Oh Cerbie, when will you learn? I am sure there are a lot of pigs and dogs who are more consistent and less self-contradictory than you! ROTFL!!
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Tell me Cerbie, what is so special about “conservative” NT scholarship that we should blindly trust like you do? If anything, “conservative” NT scholars are more biased and the least trustworthy. So why should we trust them?
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You’ll probably find conservative scholars share many of the same presupposition that you do. But because you are taught to hate Jews and Christians from infancy, you’ll do everything in your power to attack those two faiths, even if it means cosying up with liberals.
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LOL, so no answer again. Just a deflection.
It’s obvious that you hate Muslims. It’s no wonder your comments showcase such pathetic rhetoric and no answers.
I don’t hate Jews and Christians, idiot. I don’t even hate you! How could I when you make me laugh so much? Don’t get me wrong. I think you’re a brainwashed idiot with an agenda. You are incapable of having an honest and civilized discussion. Your hate blinds you and keeps you from having a substantive discussion. I respond to you mainly for kicks. It relieves the stress from a hard day’s work.
Now be a dear and do try and answer my questions.
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You asked why we should trust conservative scholarship and I answered you.
Then you moan that I didn’t answer?
Now it’s obvious why muslim women have no rights with Muslim men like you.
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Cheerio back to your pagan prayers now…
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“”You asked why we should trust conservative scholarship and I answered you.
Then you moan that I didn’t answer?
Now it’s obvious why muslim women have no rights with Muslim men like you.”
LOL, you didn’t answer anything. You’ve been running back and forth like a rabid dog. I asked why we should trust conservative scholars. You seem to be very high on them. Why?
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“Cheerio back to your pagan prayers now…”
Come back soon, ya hear? We can talk more about pagan Canaanite god! 😉
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“Now it’s obvious why muslim women have no rights with Muslim men like you.”
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” – Paul the false apostle
Ooops…
The Quran and Bible Blog 
Since he wants to appeal to the Bible so bad. Look up David and Abishag
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/09/25/bible-evidence-that-david-married-12-year-old-abishag/
Next Solomon was supposed to have attempted to marry her. afterwards Finally coming back to Issac he also was going to marry his daughter Dinah off very young when she was raped:
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/08/02/bible-how-old-was-dinah-when-she-was-married-to-shechem/
From a Jewish website:
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/rabbis-without-borders/what-happened-to-dinah/
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Yes, good points. The fact is that marrying at a young age was very common in antiquity. Dishonest apologists like Cerbie don’t want to admit that.
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I mean seriously did he try to say Raymond Brow is a ‘liberal scholar’? He was considered one of the greatest scholars about the NT in North America. This is like someone say ‘Ibn Kathir! He doesn’t know what he’s talking about!’ It’s like seriously that’s your response? And then he had to reject ALL of Rabbinical Judaism i.e. the same religion that Christians are quick to say that Isa(as) is the ‘fulfillment’ of. You’re using their religious text like what are you saying?
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Lol, yeah they’re not very consistent, are they?
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