Madman’s train-wreck continues. This is getting sad, but in a comical way! LOL!
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Faiz ” It’s a very detailed description of the rebuilding of the temple and the observances of all festivals and laws. It even reestablished the law which forbid foreigners from entering the temple grounds!”
The temple was rebuilt by Herod. So what. Maybe he should have followed Ezekiels instructions more closely. Why should that bother me?
Faiz “Where is it stated that this was “temporary”, you dufus? Are you saying that Christians are allowed to eat food sacrificed to idols? Or to engage in sexual immorality?”
The relation of the Gentiles to the law had to be clarified by further revelation. In the meantime they were enjoined not to do anything that their Jewish brothers would find offensive.
The first priority was to bring them in to a saving relationship to God through the preaching of the death and resurrection of Christ. The law was not instrumental in this but the gospel was.
More light was shed on the ethical will of God as the NT was being compiled. This confirmed the ethical teachings of the law of Moses and Jesus. James himself in his epistle confirms this.
So actually it was permissible for Christians to eat meat sacrificed to idols, blood or meat from a strangled animal, but they abstained from doing so because of the law of the weaker brother.
Faiz “The Tanakh stated that the laws of Moses were for all time. This directly contradicts your asinine claim and also completely demolishes your religion. The Tanakh does not agree with the NT. Thus, Christianity is falsified.”
I don’t see any evidence for this assertion. Care to try?
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“The temple was rebuilt by Herod. So what. Maybe he should have followed Ezekiels instructions more closely. Why should that bother me?”
LOL, you are such an idiot! Ezekiel speaks of the rebuilding of the temple, after which it would never be destroyed again. Maybe you should read it again. Were you born this dense or did it take a lifetime of practice?
“The relation of the Gentiles to the law had to be clarified by further revelation. In the meantime they were enjoined not to do anything that their Jewish brothers would find offensive.
The first priority was to bring them in to a saving relationship to God through the preaching of the death and resurrection of Christ. The law was not instrumental in this but the gospel was.
More light was shed on the ethical will of God as the NT was being compiled. This confirmed the ethical teachings of the law of Moses and Jesus. James himself in his epistle confirms this.”
Yaaaawn…oh sorry, I got sleepy again from your repeated BS. What “further revelation” are you talking about? Why don’t you stop stalling and answer the question? Where is it stated that the rule not to eat food sacrificed to idols or blood and not to commit sexual immorality was “temporary”?
“So actually it was permissible for Christians to eat meat sacrificed to idols, blood or meat from a strangled animal, but they abstained from doing so because of the law of the weaker brother.”
OMG!! Did I just read that right? Are you sure you are a Christian? Hmm, let’s see what the last book in your Bible says:
“Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols” (Revelation, 2:20).
Zing! Madman, you are a heretic!
“I don’t see any evidence for this assertion. Care to try?”
Of course, my dear. Ready to get embarrassed again? Let’s start with Ezekiel:
“‘My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. 25 They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your ancestors lived. They and their children and their children’s children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. 26 I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. 27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. 28 Then the nations will know that I the Lord make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever.” (Ezekiel 37)
Deuteronomy also clearly says that whatever was revealed to the Israelites was supposed to last forever:
“The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.” (Deut. 29:29)
Now answer my questions, you lying demon. You can run, but you can’t hide.
1. Show me where it is stated that menstrual blood no longer defiles a person.
2. Tertullian said that the sabbath observance was temporary. Why didn’t the early Christians keep the sabbath?Like
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There is no actual command in the text to build the temple that is in Ezekiels vision. I don’t believe in a literal fulfilment. The vision is symbolic of the ideal end time worship communicated in a temple setting.
The Gentiles were not under the Mosaic covenant so they were not obliged to keep the laws given at Sinai. The New Testament is the binding revelation from God to the people of God under the new covenant and takes precedence over the OT. The laws of the Mosaic Covenant were adopted and continued under the New Covenant to the extent that the NT regulates this adoption under it’s direction.The arrangement with the Jewish believers was an ad hoc arrangement between the Gentiles and Jews who still had not completely come in to their liberty. They were still living in bondage to the law because of their Jewish identity. The temple was actually dispensed with by God but as long as it was standing the Jews as a whole could not renounce it. This was too much pressure on the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem. Therefore this arrangement could not be binding for ever on the Gentiles. Only until the Jews made a full transition in to the church.
If the text “eating meat offered to idols” means joining in that worship then of course that would be idolatry. If it just means buying that meat in the marketplace then it would be ok to eat in that context. I don’t believe that Jezebel is a real person as that obviously could not be possible being an historical person from the OT. Again there is symbolism at work.
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“There is no actual command in the text to build the temple that is in Ezekiels vision. I don’t believe in a literal fulfilment. The vision is symbolic of the ideal end time worship communicated in a temple setting.”
I could care less what you “believe”, you idiot. The text is clear that it is referring to a literal fulfillment. You can be in denial all you want, but your religion has been debunked. Deuteronomy, Ezekiel and the rest of the books of the Tanakh all prove you wrong.
“The Gentiles were not under the Mosaic covenant so they were not obliged to keep the laws given at Sinai. The New Testament is the binding revelation from God to the people of God under the new covenant and takes precedence over the OT. The laws of the Mosaic Covenant were adopted and continued under the New Covenant to the extent that the NT regulates this adoption under it’s direction.The arrangement with the Jewish believers was an ad hoc arrangement between the Gentiles and Jews who still had not completely come in to their liberty. They were still living in bondage to the law because of their Jewish identity. The temple was actually dispensed with by God but as long as it was standing the Jews as a whole could not renounce it. This was too much pressure on the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem. Therefore this arrangement could not be binding for ever on the Gentiles. Only until the Jews made a full transition in to the church.”
Yaaaaawn, I’m getting bored again by your repeated senseless babbling.
The Tanakh says that God’s law will last forever. That debunks your religion. All of the laws were supposed to last forever: the Sabbath, the dietary laws, the temple sacrifice, etc. Even keeping foreigners out of the temple was supposed to be forever! That by itself debunks your religion! The Gentiles were not welcome in God’s temple! Get over it.
“If the text “eating meat offered to idols” means joining in that worship then of course that would be idolatry. If it just means buying that meat in the marketplace then it would be ok to eat in that context. I don’t believe that Jezebel is a real person as that obviously could not be possible being an historical person from the OT. Again there is symbolism at work.”
LOL, you are such a good patsy of the false apostle Paul!
Why is it okay to buy meat that you know has been sacrificed to an idol? How is that different from taking part in the worship of an idol? You are supporting the act of sacrificing to an idol by buying and consuming that meat! Thus, you are just as culpable as the idol worshiper! So now we know the truth: You are an idolater, madman!
Now answer my questions, you lying demon. You can run, but you can’t hide.
1. Show me where it is stated that menstrual blood no longer defiles a person.
2. Tertullian said that the sabbath observance was temporary. Why didn’t the early Christians keep the sabbath?Like
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The temple in Ezekiel is symbolical because of the water flooding and flowing from the altar. There is no law that says it must be interpreted literally.
The Gentiles didn’t have to keep the dietary laws laid down by James. They did so to make it possible to have fellowship with the Jews. Otherwise the Jews would have considered them to be unclean.
Why should the fact that mumbo jumbo has been said over an animal stop me from eating it?
If that was the case halal meat would be forbidden to me also.
We don’t have a mandate to discourage pagan idolatry except by the gospel and our lifestyle. Mohamed had other methods at his disposal. They are well known to anyone who has studied Islam.
The early, and present, christians keep a new form of the sabbath.
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“The temple in Ezekiel is symbolical because of the water flooding and flowing from the altar. There is no law that says it must be interpreted literally.”
LOL, you are nothing more than a broken record! How many times do I have to embarrass you on this matter? There is no symbolism, stupid! Ezekiel gives a DETAILED description of how the temple will be rebuilt, how the sacrifices will restart, and how the Israelites will follow all of the laws (including the law that bans foreigners from entering the temple). The miraculous waters are also described as providing plentiful bounties for fishermen. It is all quite LITERAL, no matter what an idiot like you wants to say!
“The Gentiles didn’t have to keep the dietary laws laid down by James. They did so to make it possible to have fellowship with the Jews. Otherwise the Jews would have considered them to be unclean.”
ROTFL!! Madman’s humiliation continues! James made it clear that this was the minimum that Gentiles had to do. Stop lying, you demon!
“As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.” – Acts 21:25
ZING!!
“Why should the fact that mumbo jumbo has been said over an animal stop me from eating it?”
Because your god says it is an abomination! Because by buying that meat, you are perpetuating and supporting the “mumbo jumbo”! Ergo, you are a HERETIC!
“If that was the case halal meat would be forbidden to me also.”
Hahahaha, WRONG! Halal meat is not sacrificed to idols, you moron.
“We don’t have a mandate to discourage pagan idolatry except by the gospel and our lifestyle. Mohamed had other methods at his disposal. They are well known to anyone who has studied Islam.”
Hahahaha, so it’s okay to encourage pagan idolatry by buying meat sacrificed to idols! Keep it up madman! Every time you open your mouth, you give me gold nuggets to humiliate you with!
“The early, and present, christians keep a new form of the sabbath.”
Well, how convenient! Thank you for admitting that Christians, whether “early” or “present”, are just a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites who will get a nasty surprise on the Day of Judgment! Thank you for showing that Christianity is just a religion of talk, not action.
Now answer my questions, you lying demon. You can run, but you can’t hide.
1. Show me where it is stated that menstrual blood no longer defiles a person.
2. Tertullian said that the sabbath observance was temporary. Why didn’t the early Christians keep the sabbath?Like
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Oh don’t worry, I will! 😉
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LOL, but most of them do circumcise their males, you moron! Unlike you hypocrites, who pick and choose what is most convenient for you to follow. Thanks madman! You have proven over and over again that you follow a hypocritical religion which is full of talk and no action.
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All we really have that is reliable is Paul’s own letters. Paul describes some pretty bitter disagreement with James (as the head of the Jerusalem church) over the necessity of the law for gentile converts (Galatians 2:12, 5:12), particularly circumcision, but ultimately claims that James allowed him to convert gentiles without circumcision in exchange for a donation to the church (Galatians 2:9-10).
Acts is later church propaganda, written no earlier than the late 1st Century. (The Acts Seminar dates it to around 115 CE. See also Richard Pervo’s Dating Acts) and is not reliable as history. It appears to have been written specifically to harmonize Pauline (gentile) and Petrine (Jewish) factions of Christianity by making Paul appear more respectful of both the Jerusalem Apostle and the law than he probably really was and by making the Jerusalem Apostles more accepting of Paul’s revelation than they probably really were.
It does look like there was hostility between Paul and the Jerusalem church and Paul himself speaks disparagingly of the Jerusalem Apostles (Galatians 2:6, 2 Corinthians 11:5 and Galatians 5:12 where he says he wishes they would cut their own dicks off.
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comment : paul paid them off ?
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Acts is said to have been written by Paul’s companion Luke, so maybe Luke was trying to polish the image of his master.
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do christians eat meat sacrificed to satan ?
does the biblical god say that he puts his blessings on things and takes his blessings away from things?
then when pagans were doing unblessed acts like taking their gods names before sacrificing animals, then wouldn’t LOYALTY to “true God” mean NOT to do what He asked for “do not EAT the meat sacrificed to idols” ?
why would god want one to eat meat which god has removed his blessing from ? since the sacrificer really believes that other gods exist and puts his trust and reliance in them, then WHY are you showing your community that it is no problem EATING the meat sacrificed to other gods?
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“So actually it was permissible for Christians to eat meat sacrificed to idols, blood or meat from a strangled animal, but they abstained from doing so because of the law of the weaker brother.”
DOES GOD PUT HIS BLESSINGS ON THINGS AND REMOVES HIS BLESSINGS FROM THINGS?
DO YOU EAT meat sacrificed to SATAN ?
i find it funny that these kafir believe SINS get TRANSFERRED LOL, so how do you know that the sinful act of sacrificing in false gods name, did not transfer into the MEAT of the dead animal ?
why would yhwh want his hebrews to EAT MEAT sacrificed to IDOLS, what is he showing the community of people ? its okay cause the meat does not get INFECTED?
sorry, biblical religion BELIEVES that MEAT does get INFECTED spiritually, the proof for this is when EVERY thing is put UNDER “the ban” and slaughtered .
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hey brothers, what do you think of the nonsense of madman about eating haraaam meat ?
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In a nutshell, madman is crazy.
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For reference purpose
https://ehrmanblog.org/demons-and-christians-in-antiquity-guest-post-by-travis-proctor-2/
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here we have two community of people.
one community of people like to worship false gods, put their trust in false gods, love false gods, and another community trusts in the true ONE God who is not parts, bits, triune, etc.
here comes along paul and tells both communities
“hey worshippers of the true ONE GOD, eat the meat sacrificed to the IDOLS, the idols aren’t real, heck if you want WORSHIP in an IDOL temple, the IDOLS AREN’T real”
now tell me, what would the community which worship FALSE gods think?
now they EAT the meat sacrificed to the pagan gods.
what would the pagans think? “hey, these guys are taking part in our ritualistic acts”
to a pagan his flesh god or his idol god or his sun god or his any thing x god isn’t false, thats why he calls out to it. so like i said, AS A COMMUNITY what message is one giving when one is EATING meat sacrificed to IDOLS, satan, flesh gods ….. ??????
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Paul was telling people what they wanted to hear. No wonder he kept changing his mind, and even admitted to acting differently in front of Jews and Gentiles. That is the mark of a false apostle/prophet.
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interesting isn’t it that the kafir start twisting what he thought was “holy”
https://judaismresources.net/2018/03/21/paul-mauls-deuteronomy-30-by-jim/
and that he had a fetish for blood, crucified gods, pain and suffering .
i do wish we knew how this kafir was like in his days as “pharisee”
funny thing is that he thinks his vision reformed him….yet all the jews are saying to him, “our torah wasn’t enough you piece of sh*t?”
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the authour of matthew has jesus say that whoever breaks the smallest law will be called least in heaven. is saying “called least” another way to say “you are screwed” ? what happens when the person is not called ? he will not be enjoying heavenly rewards?
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–]Sell200AprilAt142 5 points 15 hours ago
or does it mean those in the kingdom will refer to you as great/least. i.e. the least are not necessarily in the kingdom, but referred to as such?
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Eating meat sacrificed to an idols is impermissible because it has become part of a pagan ritualistic practice. Partaking in that meal might sound like a tacit approval of those beliefs and practices. Muslims are forbidden from participating in any non muslim religious rituals even if it was done by jews in a completely monotheistic manner. Muslims are unique and our truth is unique. Our religion has been completed and our lord has deemed it appropriate for us and we cannot add anything to it or subtract anything from it.
Even jews and the early christians condemned the eating of food offered to the gods. If we take acts at face value then paul would have known that food made for idols is impermissible and he agreed to that ruling. So either acts is wrong or paul taught false things or those letters were not actually written by paul.
Here is an excerpt from Acts 15:22-29
22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
You gave some good points there.
Obviously the idols are not real and they cannot harm us or benefit us. It’s about loyalty, worship, differentiation between believers and disbelievers, voicing the truth about false beliefs and calling people to islam.
If muslims were to indulge in pagan practice then those pagans will have a false sense of security and will think that their beliefs are okay and will even try to proselytize to muslims. This works against truth and dawah. It also might create some confusion in muslims’ minds especially children and might cause muslims with weak understandings to abandon their faith or create syncretic beliefs.
It would be great if you tell me something about yourself and who you’re discussing these things with.
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There’s also the question of why Peter would need such a vision at all–of which Peter says, “You yourselves know that it is unlawful for a Jew to associate with or to visit a Gentile; but God has shown me that I should not call anyone profane or unclean”–if Peter were with the resurrected Jesus of Matthew, who said to “make disciples of all nations” (Matthew 28:19).
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