10 thoughts on “Update – Discussion With Another “Chickie” – “Allah Had No Son”

  1. 6:101
    BadeeAAu alssamawati waalardi anna yakoonu lahu waladun walam takun lahu sahibatun wakhalaqa kulla shayin wahuwa bikulli shayin Aaaleemun

    The Aya says:
    Innovator of the heavens and the earth. How come there be for him children?! and He did not have a female companion?! And He created everything and He is, in everything, knowing.

    My personal note:
    The term BADeeAAu suggests innovation and initiation and Allah is both of those for the heavens and the earth.

    The Aya says that there is no reason nor possibility for Allah to have Children when He created everything. In a sense it says that the relationship between everything that exists and God is the relationship between a creation and the creator, therefore no one of the creation is any special except in Taqwa (acting in consciousness of Allah).

    The Aya also mentions that Allah does not have a female companion. This means that Allah is unique and in no need for a companion to complete Him. The Aya also gives us a rule that Allah puts in his creation. This rule says that Children or offspring come from the unity between a conceptual male and a conceptual female and Allah is exalted above this.

    Translation of the transliterated words:
    BadeeAAu: Innovator and initiator
    Note: the root is B-D-Ain and it means to innovate and initiate something or an idea. BADeeAAu is the entity that innovates and initiates the thing
    Alssamawati: the aboves / the heavens/ the beyond the earth
    Note: the root is S-M-W and it means rising. This word is used to mean many things that are related to that meaning. One of the meanings is name because when a person’s name is called, he or she would rise and respond. ALSSAMAWATI are the aboves or what are above, that is the skies or the heavens or any entity from the atmosphere to beyond that.

    waalardi: and the earth
    Note: WA is a letter that links what is before with what is after. This link is through inclusion, either one is included in the other or they are all included in the bigger sentence or bigger picture. WA is often translated as an addition (and), but inclusion probably covers the meaning a little better. ALARDI is derived from the root Hamza-R-Dhad and it means earth or land. ALARDI is the earth/ the land.
    Anna: how come? How possible that?
    Yakoonu: there is/ there is or will be
    Note: YAKOONU is derived from the root K-W-N and it means being. YAKOONU is an action that is being completed or will be completed that is derived from the root. It means: it will be or it becomes.

    Lahu: belongs to Him
    Waladun: offspring
    Note: WALADUN is derived from the root W-L-D and it means giving birth or conceiving. WALADAN is the product of giving birth.

    Walam takun: while did not happen to be/ and it was not
    Note: WALAM is for negating the next action. TAKUN is derived from the root K-W-N and it means being. KUNTU is an action that is being completed or will be completed that is derived from the root. It means: the action of being is happening or will be happening by the subject (third person singular). This whole sentence then means: it did not happen to be/ it was not. Although the action is in the present tense, but this is a form of past tense because it was preceded by the LAM form of negation.
    Lahu: for Him/ belong to Him
    Sahibatun: female companion
    Note: The root is Sad-Ha-B and it means companion or companionship. SAHIBATUN is a female companion.

    wakhalaqa: while He created them/ While He shaped them
    Note: WA is a letter that links what is before with what is after. This link is through inclusion, either one is included in the other or they are all included in the bigger sentence or bigger picture. WA often corresponds with “and/ addition” but the more encompassing meaning is in inclusion one in another or all in a bigger picture or sentence. KHALAQA is derived from the root KH-L-Qaf and it means creating and creation. The word has many little other meanings that revolve around that theme, in concrete, it means the smoothened rock that was shaped that way, so it has the cutting and shaping and making things as part of the meaning as well as creating out of nothing as well. KHALAQA is an action that is completed. It means: the action of creating or shaping the object (KULLA= every) happened by the subject (third person singular pointing to Allah).
    kulla : every/ each
    Note: KULLA is derived from the root K-L-L and it means the parts put together. This is the concrete and it means all or every or each. It can also be extended conceptually to mean the parts surrounding an entity. KULLA means every, or each.
    Shayin: entity/ thing
    Note: the root is SH-Y-Hamza and it means entity. SHAYIN means entity. It is taken here to mean a thing or entity

    Wahuwa: and HE (Allah)
    bikulli : in every/ each
    Note: Bi suggests that what comes after it is either a tool of the action or an object of the action or any combination. If bi serves as an object of the action that it serves as an emphasis of the action. In english BI can take the meaning of in or by in some sense or another. KULLI is derived from the root K-L-L and it means the parts put together. This is the concrete and it means all or every or each. It can also be extended conceptually to mean the parts surrounding an entity. KULLI means every, or each.

    Shayin: entity/ thing
    Note: the root is SH-Y-Hamza and it means entity. SHAYIN means entity. It is taken here to mean a thing or entity

    AAaleemun knowledgeable/ knowing
    Note: the root is Ain-L-M and it means knowing/knowledge or knowledge of facts. ALAAaLEEM is the one that is very knowledgeable

    Salaam all and have a great day.

    Hussein

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    1. ITS FUnny that his christian porn filled mind thinks sex when it comes to ayah 6:101, when in reality the ayah is simply asking WHY? how? what is the need? or why u give him son, why not wife? see? innocent ?
      but when yhwh makes mary pregnant and out comes out FULLY yhwh and fully man, then something KINKY is going on, isn’t it ?

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      1. so when can ask, how do we know that sinful jesus does not start a new religion in which he says god has another person called “god the mother” and she is the wife of yhwh ? since yhwh never revealed this does not mean in “progressive revealation” or in possible universe yhwh doesn’t have a wife called “wife of yhwh” which he over shadows continuously lol to produce the son. lol

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      2. stewjo004

        @ tony

        @ 17:20 he says to the effect that it is incorrect to say God needed to become a man to understand his creation. This guy has never read Paul’s writings. Paul brags about this point in Christian theology. Please allow me to leave some “gems” from Paul’s letter to the Hebrews:

        10In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting for God, for whom and through whom all things exist, to make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering…14Therefore, since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared in their humanity, so that by His death He might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is, the devil,… 16For surely it is not the angels He helps, but the descendants of Abraham. 17So He had to be made like His brothers in every way, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonement for the sins of the people. 18Because He Himself suffered when He was tempted, He is able to help those who are being tempted. (Hebrews 2 10-18)

        or

        12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight; everything is uncovered and exposed before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. 14Therefore, since we have such a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we profess. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin. (Hebrews 4:!2-15)

        As an unrelated note because I was posting verses of shirk in the Bible let’s see what the Bible says about Allah’s control on earth:
        …When God subjected all things to him, He left nothing outside of his control. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him. (Hebrews 2:8)

        Yep, everyone let that sink in…

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  2. stewjo004

    Whoops forgot to show a verse of Tawheed as the antithesis:

    The strutting of the disbelievers throughout the land should not deceive you, it is just a little enjoyment. After that, their sanctuary is Hell; what a miserable place to be cradled. (3:196-197)

    Blessed is He in Whose Hand is the Kingdom. He is complete power and forever has control of all things. (67:1)

    Tell them: “All mediation is God’s. He holds control of the heavens and the earth; and in the end you will all return to Him.” When God is mentioned alone, the hearts of those who don’t believe in the life to come are filled with disgust, and when those except for Him are mentioned, immediately they’re filled with joy. So say: “Oh God! Creator of the heavens and the earth! Knower of all that lies in the Beyond as well as all that can be seen. You will judge between Your servants regarding what they used to argue about.” (39:44-46)

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    1. And He Has no companion . One OF MANY REASONS. Other reasons, INNOVATOR OF THE heavens and the earth. if ALLAH HAD willed (the “lo” here means one thing failed to happen because of ANOTHER, in this case “GLORY be to Allah…”)
      This arrogant christian woman said “i have studied this”
      Arrogant man worshipping satan .

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  3. QUOTE :
    When it comes to the Qur’an, there’s a general tendency to limit its verses to the absolute superficial rendering possible by the Christian and atheist circles. That Allah does not have a consort, therefore, why claim that he has a son, can have profound implications and initiate thoughtful and rational discourse about the very nature of God. What is so intrinsic about the very construct of “son-ship” that God somehow must necessarily have a son?

    If The Father is fully God, and capable of constructing the cosmos, imbuing man with the breath of life and consciousness to know Him, if the Father is capable of mercy and love–after all the creator of love can fully comprehend and perceive love to its absolute deepest and truest realization–if the FATHER IS GOD, then the son becomes superfluous. If, on the other hand, God–the Father– can have a son, and has a son, why stop at the son? Can He have a daughter? Can He
    have a wife?

    If the Christian says “no,” then he/she falls in the self created trap of “limiting God.” If he/she says “yes,” then we must be open to the very disturbing possibility that God has a wife, daughters, other sons, only has not yet revealed such ideas to humanity, and may one day. Monotheism pretty much turns into mount Olympus. Christianity, thus, provides no good reason for us to believe that God does not have a wife. After all, if the trinity becomes a larger family, then the christian god can becoming even more loving per William layne Craig’s absurd intellectual self destructive lunacy. So the Qur’an isn’t necessarily claiming that “if only God had a wife, He could have a son, but alas, He just isn’t capable of having a son because He does not have a wife.” It’s opening an infinite fount of truth by one simple and beautifully succinct statement/question.

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  4. quote :

    Irenaeus documents sects that believed Jesus had a celestial mother (some form of divine feminine being), and I do note this in OHJ (pp. 580-81).

    SOME FORM OF DIVINE FEMININE BEING ?

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