As-salaam alaikum. My YouTube discussion with the Christian apologist “dhc21” has taken an interesting turn. Apparently unable to respond to my incessant and undeniable evidence of pagan influences on the Bible, “dhc21” offered the following little nugget:
“Thanks Faiz but if paganism is what I worship then it is better than Mohammed’s version of paganism. Thanks for the invite but I most humbly decline the invitation to the dark side, Darth.”
This was in response to my comment on the pagan influences on the prayer of Jacob in Genesis 49. Here is what I wrote:
Did you know that Genesis 49 contains more clear proof of borrowing from pagan mythology? Here are the relevant verses:
“But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed[l] limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob, because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel, 25 because of your father’s God, who helps you, because of the Almighty,[m] who blesses you with blessings of the skies above, blessings of the deep springs below, blessings of the breast and womb. 26 Your father’s blessings are greater than the blessings of the ancient mountains, than[n] the bounty of the age-old hills. Let all these rest on the head of Joseph, on the brow of the prince among[o] his brothers.”
The translation is very deceptive. The actual Hebrew text contains references to “El” (instead of “your father’s God”), the “Bull of Jacob” (instead of “the Mighty One of Jacob”), and “Shadday” (instead of “Almighty”; “Shadday” was another Canaanite name for El). But here is the SHOCKER! Scholars believe that “breast and womb” is a reference to the PAGAN GODDESSES ASHERAH and ANAT!!! In the Masoretic text, the Hebrew is “sadayim waraham”. According to Professor Mark Smith: “The phrase sadayim waraham…echoes Ugaritic titles of the goddesses Asherah and Anat.” WOW!! Did I just hear your jaw drop? Run away from this paganism, dude. It’s for your own good. Come to Islam. You will be glad you did.
Obviously, this apologist has never heard any of this stuff. But it is well-known to scholars. So what was his response? Essentially, it was that his “paganism” is better than Muhammad’s alleged “paganism”! Is this a monotheist or an idol worshiper? That’s like saying “my god is better and stronger than your god”! Naturally, I responded to his pitiful logic:
WOW! So, you think that one “version” of paganism is better than another? First of all, paganism is paganism. It leads to hell. Period. Second, there is no paganism in Islam. Islam is purely monotheistic. Unfortunately for you, your Bible is full of pagan influences. Like I said, be honest with yourself. You have been lied to by the likes of David Wood and Jack Chick. Chick is dead now. He will endure an eternity in hell. So will you and Wood if you don’t repent.
The context of Genesis 49 is again irrelevant. Whatever the purpose of the prayer was is not the point. The point is why does Genesis use pagan symbolism? Why did it appeal to the pagan goddesses Asherah and Anat? This is a question that you need to answer, for the good of your soul. Stop lying to yourself. Grow up and face the facts.
Let us hope that he at least looks into this matter with the utmost seriousness, instead of burying his head in the ground. Sadly, most people would prefer to live in denial, and Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He) guides whom He wills. Let us pray that “dhc21” will be guided.
Disclaimer: The quote from Professor Mark Smith is from his book “The Early History of God: Yahweh and the Other Deities in Ancient Israel”, 1987.
7 thoughts on “Is one form of paganism “better” than another? According to one “Chickie”, the answer is yes!”
if you look at the missionaries in hyde park london, they try to portray a picture of their god as if it is a love story
i wonder if , from apologetic angle, a muslim can make use of emotion
the messengers of God have suffered, been abused, risked their lives etc etc so that the message reaches us.
I am sure that a messenger suffers so that he knows in his mind someone in future will not only practice the laws sent to him but worship the invisible God who has no form
in christianity, you have a god who sees no WORTH in the human being. he sends himself as fully god and fully man, yet becomes reluctant when the heat is on.
messengers risk their lives, martyrs risk their lives as FULLY human !
is there anything unislamic about saying that the messengers suffered so that we, today can be on the correct path?
christianity throws the suffering of martyrs down the toilet.
for example :
what about all those Jews over the centuries who lived their lives according to Torah, some of whom were martyred—does that mean nothing?”
martyred for believing in an invisible God and practicing Gods laws, yet jesus dies to free christians from yhwhs “eternal laws”
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Yes, the messengers selflessly risked their lives to bring Allah’s message to mankind. They were ridiculed and faced violent persecution but they remained steadfast, Alhamdulillah.
I’m not positive where you’re getting your information, but good topic. I needs to spend some time studying much more or understanding more. Thanks for fantastic info I used to be looking for this info for my mission.
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The information is from Prof. Mark Smith’s book “The Early History of God”, 1st edition. There is a newer edition with some updated information as well.
I am now not certain the place you’re getting your info, however great topic. I needs to spend some time finding out much more or working out more. Thanks for wonderful info I was looking for this info for my mission.
if one were to MINUS judaism from crosstianity, what would crosstianity become ?
a pagan flesh god dying and rising
his followers eat his blood and flesh
there are greek writings where SUFFERING is seen as victory and DEFEAT as FAILURE.
just cut out all the jewish elements from christianity and we see a religion which definitely looks pagan.
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