Here is another discussion with a brainwashed Chickie, who posted Chick’s tract “Allah Had No Son” on YouTube. Notice how he jumps to different issues, which is quite typical for these types. They copy what they read from pseudo-scholarly and biased Christian sources, but hardly ever engage in serious research.
One of Chick’s more nonsensical and poorly researched tracts. Anyone who bothers to do some research will see that Chick was a fraud who liked to spread lies about other religions: https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2017/11/08/islam-jack-chick-and-the-battle-for-souls-allah-had-no-son/
That is a bold statement. But, just like the Quran, it is a baseless claim. Mohammed borrowed from the religions and cultures of his time to make up his own religion. He was first a polytheist then become a monotheist. Mohammed claimed it was perfectly fine to pray to the 3 goddesses mentioned in the Chick tract, also known as the satanic verses. Why would Allah trick Mohammed to pray to these 3 goddesses? Was Mohammed fooled by satan? If so then Mohammed is a false prophet.
dhc21atyahoo Lol, what a typical response from a brainwashed apologist! No, Muhammad did not tell people to worship the three goddesses. Islam is a monotheistic religion. The Satanic verses story is hogwash and no serious scholar, Muslim or Non-Muslim believes it is authentic. Next time, do some actual research rather than parroting the same nonsense over and over again. You’re embarrassing yourself.
LoL, allow me to quote you ” I welcome constructive criticism and and am always willing to learn more”, ” hope your visit to this quiet place in cyberspace will be a pleasant one!” …brainwashed, parroting, embarrassing… is that the response from a supposed scholar? If you are the superior scholar and have arrived at the truth then you would know better. Hey scholar, I have a question for you( there will be many more), how did Mohammed die and what did he attribute his death to?
dhc21atyahoo Lol, allow me to illustrate how an ignoramus redirects when cornered in a discussion: change the topic. Constructive criticism, you say? Lol, it sounds more like propaganda from an Islamophobe.
The 2nd LoL, Mohammed borrowed from the Sabeans (sp?) he started out as a polytheist, the 5 pillars are not his idea and neither is the idol worship of kissing the stone . It’s from a meteorite. When he was ridiculed and had enough from the polytheists he became a monotheist just like the christians and jews of his time. But the christians and jews laughed him off the farm so he went to his own funny farm with his own creation. He made it up, he made all of it up. The fact that you keep attacking my education/research reveals that you are afraid, very afraid of the truth. Don’t be scared, the truth shall set you free. Jesus said ” I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”. Allow me to make a prediction about your tactics: you will resort to intimidation (check) then you will resort to bribery (will wait on that one). Since those two will not work you will eventually resort to violence because your name calling game will not work. By the way you are ahead in the name calling department 4 – 0. Here is another question, since you avoided the last question with a “redirects” excuse: what did Mohammed say that made him victorius?
And the sound of crickets chirping goes on and on. Let us say for the purposes of this exchange that I am revising, redirecting, under-educated, misdirecting and just flat out ignorant. That means that my response about the Chick tract is useless. However, as a superior scholar you would relish the challenge of answering the two questions that an ignoramus proposed so you could provide a grade-A+ education. But, the sound of crickets keeps chirping, your name calling is increasing, and there are still no answers from the scholar. Question number 3 and a bonus question 4: was Mohammed a white man that owned black slaves? Was Mohammed a racist? Take your time answering any one or all 4, do some research if you like. I will wait, with the crickets.
dhc21atyahoo Hahaha, and the train-wreck continues. With every comment, you prove that you are indeed an uneducated moron who simply copies propaganda that he reads from other ignorant apologists instead of engaging in serious and honest research. Check out my blog for answers, if you dare. I responded to other Chick Tracts as well. My intention is to respond to all of them in time, inshaAllah. Go on, if you dare, you silly trinitarian pagan. Oh, I’m sorry. Did I resort to name-calling again? 😉
LoL even Youtube thinks you are a fraud. You’re last comment was flagged as spam. I am not sure if that was an algorithm or an actual person that flagged your message/comment, but either way, your message is spam and thus, so is Mohammed’s. You won’t/can’t defend or respond to the questions because the Quran self destructs when trying to support itself. Just like you after you read my comments/questions. Well, just remember, when the going gets too tough for you and you cannot find any “truth” any Mo’ then call for Jesus. He will respond and come to your assistance. Until the next time
Hahaha, so I take it you are afraid to find out what a fraud your master Chick was! What are you afraid of? Doing some real research for a change? Your idiotic questions have been answered on the blog, stupid. You just keep jumping from one issue to another, yet you have not presented one scholarly source to support any of them. What else can we expect from a loser who just copies and pastes from like-minded idiots like David Wood! Oh, I’m sorry. Did I call you names again?
Here you go silly boy. My responses to Chick tracts so far: https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2017/11/08/islam-jack-chick-and-the-battle-for-souls-allah-had-no-son/ https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2017/12/18/islam-jack-chick-and-the-battle-for-souls-camels-in-the-tent/ https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2018/01/07/islam-jack-chick-and-the-battle-for-souls-is-allah-like-you/ While you are at it, here is some more bedtime reading for you: https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2014/02/09/the-history-of-the-bible-and-the-quran/ https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2015/01/05/prophecies-in-the-holy-scriptures-word-of-god-or-folly-of-man-part-i/ https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/prophecies-in-the-holy-scriptures-word-of-god-or-folly-of-man-part-ii/ https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2015/01/25/prophecies-in-the-holy-scriptures-word-of-god-or-folly-of-man-part-iii/ https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2015/02/10/prophecies-in-the-holy-scriptures-word-of-god-or-folly-of-man-part-iv/ See the evidence for why your religion is false (no wonder, so many people are leaving it). See the contradictions, historical inaccuracies, false prophecies, etc. in your Bible. Then see the truth of Islam. You have been duped by Satan.
LoL nice try, I already read your blog, twice, before you sent your link again. My work is done. Youtube thinks your responses are canned spam, lol, and so do I. May the blessings of Jesus and the Holy Spirit be fruitful to you Faiz.
dhc21atyahoo Lol, oh really? You read the entire blog, huh? Wow, you must be a fast reader…or you just pretend to be one. Just like you pretend to be a monotheist, but are in fact a pagan. Tell me pagan, what does your god look like? If you’re not sure, go read Daniel 7 for a hint. 😉
Just an average speed, reader. I read your Chick blog before I made my first response to you. I read it again after your third response. Daniel described the appearance of the Ancient of Days as one with a white robe and wool like (white) hair and sitting on a fiery throne. Now since I answered one of your questions, when are you going to type your answer to one of my questions? Daniel, the crickets, and I will wait for your answer, pick one!
dhc21atyahoo Lol, still running? I gave you links, stupid. Go on and read at your average pace, if you dare. 😉 Not so fast, pagan. Daniel 7’s description of your god is borrowed from Canaanite mythology. In the Canaanite pantheon, El was an elderly deity seated on a throne just like Yahweh. In fact, your Bible borrows alot of imagery from Canaanite paganism and applies it your god. So, your god comes with the clouds, like Baal. Your god fights Leviathan, a sea monster, just like Baal fights Yamm, a sea monster. Shall I provide more examples?
UPDATE – 01/12/2018-
The Christian finally responded. Here are the new comments:
Ahh OK for a minute I thought you were going to say that the revelation was false, whew, you really avoided stepping into that one. Still reading, be patient.
Faiz S. Wait a minute, didnt Allah inspire/write the bible and also send his greatest prophet , Jesus ? Say it aint so Faiz. LoL
Faiz S. Hmmm I remember somewhere in the Koran it says that the people of the book , bible, should judge by that book or else they are sinners. By the way, Daniel was/is an exemplary servant of God. He had faith even in the face of death. On the other hand, Mohammed was both morally bankrupt snd spiritually disturbed.
Faiz S. Lol even your answers contain the same contradictions as the Koran. The depth of your depraved indifference is on par with the deception in the Koran and the schizophrenic , self serving revelations of Mohammed.
Faiz S. What was the message of Jesus?
Faiz S. What was the “different gospel” message?
By the way, this conversation has been posted to my blog: https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2018/01/10/discussion-with-another-chickie-allah-had-no-son/
Faiz S. Answering your question… I don’t worship what you described, you do. You worship the Mother of all Harlots…
Hey thanks for posting it to your blog. I do appreciate you telling me 🙂
I did answer your question, try to keep up.
The reason folks like yourself cannot find Jesus is the same reason criminals cannot find a policeman….they aren’t looking !
It is irrelevant if Jesus is related to David or if he will come back. The prophecy says that David’s will last forever. It didn’t. The prophecy failed.
The prophecy is Matthew applied to the Apostolic age. Therefore, it cannot be referring to Jesus’ second coming. Thus, it failed.
Why does your Bible seek blessings from “breast and womb”, you pagan? Why does it appeal to Asherah and Anat? Islam, 2. Christianity, 0. It’s looking like a blow-out! LOL!!
I already answered your pagan question. All you have to do is wait until the second coming of Jesus to see the truth, hopefully you will see it before then. Until that time, God bless you in Jesus’s name. Amen
I bet you’re a holocaust denier too.
I bet you’re an Armenian genocide denier.
I bet you deny the deity of Jesus, his death and his resurrection.
LoL I bet you are an anit-christ.
Do you know Mohammed’s nick name? If I remember right it is…wait…oh yah that’s it…Kimosabee, it means, wrong prophet. Do you know what it means when the choke is flipped and the chain is yanked?
You are doing such an excellent job of recruiting converts to Islam. So good in fact, I bet you would not be able to be elected dog catcher. Woof woof….
My my you have mastered the art of conversion. I bet that your back sliding rate is near 98%. Oh wait, that’s right, you will kill them if they turn away from Islam. So that makes your back slide rate 98%. Did you brow beat your “good friend” into submission with lie after lie after lie? FYI, that’s a rhetorical question.
LOL, so I assume you have not succeeded in converting anyone to your pagan religion? Here are some stats for you: http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/pf_15-04-02_projectionsoverview_religiousswitching_640px/ Over the course of 40 years or so, your religion will produce over 100 million apostates! Christians are leaving your religion in DROVES! It’s no wonder. You idiots have no clue how to explain the TONS of contradictions, bad history, bad science and not to mention the PAGAN influences in your Bible. Hahahaha, your religion is dying a slow death! I would have more sympathy for you, but it’s obvious you are just an uneducated, ignorant buffoon who is not interested in learning about other people and their way of life. You are content with simply lying about them and demonizing them. My friend was actually an Evangelical Christian. I debated with him for over 10 years. Eventually, something clicked and he realized that Christianity was false. Don’t blame others for doing the right thing just because you are too stupid and proud not to do it. Reasonable people grow up and admit the facts about the Bible and Christianity.
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QB and his excellent jokes, thou art one of the main reasons i keepeth coming hither. Hehehe mine favorite goy of all goyim…
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Some willful ignorance right there by the way, i guess too much dose of answering islam makes someone lose some brain cells…jokes apart, most amateur anti islam keyboard warriors i’ve encountered in YT comments choose to be ignorant or maybe they are too lazy, i mean they literally refuse to read when opposing facts on put on the table and they rather choose to repeat nonsense…
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Exactly, that’s why I say they are brainwashed.
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Thanks! You gotta have some humor in this business!
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Assalmualakum wa rahma tu lahi wa barakatu, Can’t see your comments again, however, if I may give a critique. Try not to insult when you’re giving dawah or debating. I prefer to set stakes with people like this person. I’ll say something such as “Before we begin if I prove beyond all shadow of a doubt all the issues you have with Islam will you become Muslim?” What this does it 2 things:
1. If they say no. I know their just B.S.ing and I won’t waste my time. I’ll then clarify so even if you personally agree with everything I said you still won’t become a Muslim? Once they say no I move on.
2. It sets them up where they have to become Muslim because they agreed. (They still won’t because of arrogance but hey…)
You then set the ground rules “Okay we’re not going to jump topic to topic. We’re going to stay with one thing at a time until a conclusion has been arrived at. So with that being said what’s your number one issue with Islam?” What this set up does is actually let you attack the real issues they have. This person has some other issue all the B.S. about paganism and Allat,etc. are just covers to what their objection is. And even if they don’t become Muslim you may have knocked down a barrier or two and “primed” them for somebody else.
Finally, while your information is fantastic unfortunately most people are stupid and don’t do serious research so they probably won’t read paragraphs of writing. Try to sum them up and only give the most crucial pieces of evidence. If they still challenge you then redirect them to the blog. “Here is an article of mine where I go into more detail. Let me know what you think.”
This is just my experience when dealing with these kinds of people.
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Walaikum as-salaam brother. You make good points and it is never my intention to have that kind of discussion, but in my experience, that is the inevitable result of 90% of all discussions with Christians, since most of them are extremely hostile to Islam. They hate Islam and go to great lengths to demonize our beloved Prophet, so I don’t hold back in exposing them for the garbage they are. I wish more of them would be sincere truth-seekers who want to have a polite discussion, but it is just not possible with the vast majority of them.
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the prophet WAS poisoned ?
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Most of the points have been covered above, but I want to reiterate and clarify a few points:
1- I don’t understand what this obsession is with the claim that if the Prophet (saw) died from the poison it somehow means he is not a Prophet. It’s a baseless claim. Who said that this is a fact? Just because some Jewish woman said something that doesn’t make it true. Now, what would be an accurate claim is if the Prophet (saw) died *before* completing his message, then that would make us question his Prophethood. But the final verses of the Qur’an were already revealed (“Today I have completed your Deen for you…”), and the Prophet (saw) already told people that he has chosen to return to his Lord, meaning he was going to die very soon. So it was his time to die.
2- What you said about the sheep “telling” him is presented inaccurately. First of all, you are mixing multiple Ahadith together as if they are the same narration. One narration talks about the Sahabi dying, and another narration talks about the sheep “telling” him that it is poisoned. Second, the scholars from over 1000 years ago stated that the sheep “telling” him was a figure of speech, meaning he could tell it was poisoned (he could taste it or felt something). Third, saying something like “the sheep told me” is also a way of saying “it doesn’t matter how I know,” or “it’s none of your business,” so maybe he did not want to let her know that someone died from it. And lastly, the Hadith of “the sheep told me” is graded as Mawdhoo’ (fabricated), so it’s not even an authentic narration.
3- The Hadith does not say “aorta.”
The Ayah that mentions the aorta, which you keep referring to, says: لقطعنا منه الوتين “Then we would have surely cut off his Wateen (aorta).”
The Hadith you mentioned, on the other hand, says: فهذا أوان انقطاع أبهري من ذلك السم “The time ha come for my Abhar (breath) to be cut off from that poison,” meaning it is time for me to die.
Al-Wateen الوتين and Abhari أبهري are not the same word and don’t mean the same thing in classical Arabic.
4- As for the absurd claim that the verse of cutting off his aorta is being applied on the Prophet (saw), as if he has invented lies and is being killed for it, there is no possibility of it being correct. First of all, the Ayah says that he will be immediately seized and killed, which was a point of emphasis that Allah (swt) is in complete control of the message and the Prophet (saw) cannot possibly make mistakes. Second, Allah (swt) would have exposed what the Prophet (saw) fabricated in the Deen, otherwise the Deen would be corrupted, and the promise of Allah (swt) that “We have surely revealed the message, and We will surely protect it” would no longer be true. And third, the Qur’an has already said that the Prophet (saw) is infallible and cannot make any errors in the Deen. The claim that this Ayah is being applied on the Prophet (saw) is just a silly lie by Christians who are grasping at straws, while ignoring their own massive contradictions in their corrupted Bible that is now filled with fabrications.
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I would corroborate the difference in meaning from al-wateen and abhar by using the authoritative lexicons like Lane’s lexicon.
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hey pariah, you want to talk about poisoning of the prophet here or are you a twitter boy?
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