Discussion With Another Chickie – “Allah Had No Son”

Here is another discussion with a brainwashed Chickie, who posted Chick’s tract “Allah Had No Son” on YouTube.  Notice how he jumps to different issues, which is quite typical for these types.  They copy what they read from pseudo-scholarly and biased Christian sources, but hardly ever engage in serious research.

 

One of Chick’s more nonsensical and poorly researched tracts. Anyone who bothers to do some research will see that Chick was a fraud who liked to spread lies about other religions: https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2017/11/08/islam-jack-chick-and-the-battle-for-souls-allah-had-no-son/

dhc21atyahoo

That is a bold statement. But, just like the Quran, it is a baseless claim. Mohammed borrowed from the religions and cultures of his time to make up his own religion. He was first a polytheist then become a monotheist. Mohammed claimed it was perfectly fine to pray to the 3 goddesses mentioned in the Chick tract, also known as the satanic verses. Why would Allah trick Mohammed to pray to these 3 goddesses? Was Mohammed fooled by satan? If so then Mohammed is a false prophet.

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Lol, what a typical response from a brainwashed apologist! No, Muhammad did not tell people to worship the three goddesses. Islam is a monotheistic religion. The Satanic verses story is hogwash and no serious scholar, Muslim or Non-Muslim believes it is authentic. Next time, do some actual research rather than parroting the same nonsense over and over again. You’re embarrassing yourself.

dhc21atyahoo

LoL, allow me to quote you ” I welcome constructive criticism and and am always willing to learn more”, ” hope your visit to this quiet place in cyberspace will be a pleasant one!” …brainwashed, parroting, embarrassing… is that the response from a supposed scholar? If you are the superior scholar and have arrived at the truth then you would know better. Hey scholar, I have a question for you( there will be many more), how did Mohammed die and what did he attribute his death to?

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Lol, allow me to illustrate how an ignoramus redirects when cornered in a discussion: change the topic. Constructive criticism, you say? Lol, it sounds more like propaganda from an Islamophobe.

dhc21atyahoo

The 2nd LoL, Mohammed borrowed from the Sabeans (sp?) he started out as a polytheist, the 5 pillars are not his idea and neither is the idol worship of kissing the stone . It’s from a meteorite. When he was ridiculed and had enough from the polytheists he became a monotheist just like the christians and jews of his time. But the christians and jews laughed him off the farm so he went to his own funny farm with his own creation. He made it up, he made all of it up. The fact that you keep attacking my education/research reveals that you are afraid, very afraid of the truth. Don’t be scared, the truth shall set you free. Jesus said ” I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”. Allow me to make a prediction about your tactics: you will resort to intimidation (check) then you will resort to bribery (will wait on that one). Since those two will not work you will eventually resort to violence because your name calling game will not work. By the way you are ahead in the name calling department 4 – 0. Here is another question, since you avoided the last question with a “redirects” excuse: what did Mohammed say that made him victorius?

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Rotfl! So now you’re resorting to revisionism? Name one scholar who believes your nonsense. Get an education first, dude. You are really embarrassing yourself!

dhc21atyahoo

And the sound of crickets chirping goes on and on. Let us say for the purposes of this exchange that I am revising, redirecting, under-educated, misdirecting and just flat out ignorant. That means that my response about the Chick tract is useless. However, as a superior scholar you would relish the challenge of answering the two questions that an ignoramus proposed so you could provide a grade-A+ education. But, the sound of crickets keeps chirping, your name calling is increasing, and there are still no answers from the scholar. Question number 3 and a bonus question 4: was Mohammed a white man that owned black slaves? Was Mohammed a racist? Take your time answering any one or all 4, do some research if you like. I will wait, with the crickets.

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Hahaha, and the train-wreck continues. With every comment, you prove that you are indeed an uneducated moron who simply copies propaganda that he reads from other ignorant apologists instead of engaging in serious and honest research. Check out my blog for answers, if you dare. I responded to other Chick Tracts as well. My intention is to respond to all of them in time, inshaAllah. Go on, if you dare, you silly trinitarian pagan. Oh, I’m sorry. Did I resort to name-calling again? 😉

dhc21atyahoo

LoL even Youtube thinks you are a fraud. You’re last comment was flagged as spam. I am not sure if that was an algorithm or an actual person that flagged your message/comment, but either way, your message is spam and thus, so is Mohammed’s. You won’t/can’t defend or respond to the questions because the Quran self destructs when trying to support itself. Just like you after you read my comments/questions. Well, just remember, when the going gets too tough for you and you cannot find any “truth” any Mo’ then call for Jesus. He will respond and come to your assistance. Until the next time

Faiz S.

Hahaha, so I take it you are afraid to find out what a fraud your master Chick was! What are you afraid of? Doing some real research for a change? Your idiotic questions have been answered on the blog, stupid. You just keep jumping from one issue to another, yet you have not presented one scholarly source to support any of them. What else can we expect from a loser who just copies and pastes from like-minded idiots like David Wood! Oh, I’m sorry. Did I call you names again?

dhc21atyahoo

LoL nice try, I already read your blog, twice, before you sent your link again. My work is done. Youtube thinks your responses are canned spam, lol, and so do I. May the blessings of Jesus and the Holy Spirit be fruitful to you Faiz.

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Lol, oh really? You read the entire blog, huh? Wow, you must be a fast reader…or you just pretend to be one. Just like you pretend to be a monotheist, but are in fact a pagan. Tell me pagan, what does your god look like? If you’re not sure, go read Daniel 7 for a hint. 😉

dhc21atyahoo

Just an average speed, reader. I read your Chick blog before I made my first response to you. I read it again after your third response. Daniel described the appearance of the Ancient of Days as one with a white robe and wool like (white) hair and sitting on a fiery throne. Now since I answered one of your questions, when are you going to type your answer to one of my questions? Daniel, the crickets, and I will wait for your answer, pick one!

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Lol, still running? I gave you links, stupid. Go on and read at your average pace, if you dare. 😉 Not so fast, pagan. Daniel 7’s description of your god is borrowed from Canaanite mythology. In the Canaanite pantheon, El was an elderly deity seated on a throne just like Yahweh. In fact, your Bible borrows alot of imagery from Canaanite paganism and applies it your god. So, your god comes with the clouds, like Baal. Your god fights Leviathan, a sea monster, just like Baal fights Yamm, a sea monster. Shall I provide more examples?

 

UPDATE – 01/12/2018-

The Christian finally responded.  Here are the new comments:

Ahh OK for a minute I thought you were going to say that the revelation was false, whew, you really avoided stepping into that one. Still reading, be patient.

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Hahaha, it is false! Your god has been pieced together from pagan mythology! You worship part El, part Baal and part Yahweh.

dhc21atyahoo

Faiz S. Wait a minute, didnt Allah inspire/write the bible and also send his greatest prophet , Jesus ? Say it aint so Faiz. LoL

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Lol, here is the typical deflection! You truly are a brainwashed little drone aren’t you? No, Allah did not “inspire” your Bible. Your Bible was written by uninspired, anonymous heretics. I just showed you the proof. Your Bible borrowed from Canaanite mythology to create a hybrid god. Why do you keep embarrassing yourself, dude? ROTFL!!!

dhc21atyahoo

Faiz S. Hmmm I remember somewhere in the Koran it says that the people of the book , bible, should judge by that book or else they are sinners. By the way, Daniel was/is an exemplary servant of God. He had faith even in the face of death. On the other hand, Mohammed was both morally bankrupt snd spiritually disturbed.

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Still running? Your knowledge of the Quran is really bad, so you should keep your mouth shut so you don’t keep embarrassing yourself. The book of Daniel was written by anonymous people, you fool. Why do you keep avoiding the clear truth that your god is a hybrid Canannite deity and not the One True God?

dhc21atyahoo

Faiz S. Thank you. I gladly accept your invitation to talk/type more on the Koran. Sura 5 verse 47, paraphrased: Allah instructs Jews and Christians to judge by the gospel . What was that sound? Was that sound your jaw hitting the floor? LoL, or was it you dropping your Koran? Sura 4 verse 157, paraphrased: Allah tricked people into believing that Jesus was crucified. He had a stunt man take his place! Perhaps you, as a research scholar, can tell us the deep and far reaching implication of these two verses from the Koran. All eyes are on you.

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Lol, STILL avoiding the pagan origins of your god?! I know, your jaw hit the ground upon hearing that your god is a hybrid Canaanite deity. It must be tough finding out that you have been worshiping the wrong god. A tad embarrassing, right? The “Gospel” the Quran refers to is not the pathetic anonymous “gospels” written by your fake apostles. Come on, dude. Surely you can do better? Stop copying David Wood and other frauds.

dhc21atyahoo

Faiz S. Lol even your answers contain the same contradictions as the Koran. The depth of your depraved indifference is on par with the deception in the Koran and the schizophrenic , self serving revelations of Mohammed.

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo ROTFL, STILL avoiding your hybrid god???? Man, you must really be devastated and afraid. As I said stupid, your pathetic anonymous “gospels” are not what is meant by the Injeel. The word “Gospel” does not only mean the Synoptic gospels. It simply meant the message of Jesus. What do you think your false apostle Paul was referring to when he criticized those who were preaching a “different gospel”? See what you did? You dug yourself a bigger hole! How much humiliation can you endure?

dhc21atyahoo

Faiz S. What was the message of Jesus?

dhc21atyahoo

Faiz S. What was the “different gospel” message?

Faiz S.

Deflecting again?! That seems to happen every time you get schooled. So do you admit that when the Quran refers to the “Gospel”, it is not referring to your anonymous “gospels”? The message of Jesus (pbuh)? Well, let’s go to the Quran, shall we? “He said: “I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; “And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live; “(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable; “So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)”!” (Surah Maryam, 19:30-33) “Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight.” (19:35) “When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: “Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me.  “For Allah, He is my Lord and your Lord: so worship ye Him: this is a Straight Way.”” (43:63-64) Is that clear for you? Now, will you kindly explain why you worship a hybrid Canaanite deity? Do tell. I am dying to know!
Update – 01/13/2018

dhc21atyahoo

Faiz S. LoL is that his message…i love mom, allah is god, and by the way I’m smart too. Is that the entire message of Jesus? Ba ha ha ha ha ha… wait, I’m sorry for laughing, wait, no I’m not, ba ha ha ha ha…Faiz your response to the question is weak at best and very superficial! Here, why did Allah save Jesus from the crucifixion but let Mohammed die a humiliating death as a false prophet(severed aorta) or at the very least, he was poisoned by a jewish woman! Jesus must have been his favorite huh?

dhc21atyahoo

Faiz S. Answering your question… I don’t worship what you described, you do. You worship the Mother of all Harlots…

dhc21atyahoo

Hey thanks for posting it to your blog. I do appreciate you telling me 🙂

Faiz S.

LOL, jumping from issue to issue like a good little brainwashed zombie, eh? Hahahaha, I am loving this! Jesus (pbuh) has to come back to earth. That is his fate and mission. Once that happens, then he will die like everyone else. The manner of death makes no difference, silly boy. Didn’t Jesus accuse the Jews of killing many prophets? Does that make them false prophets then? The irony of this is that you believe that he was killed in the most humiliating way the Romans could think of! Imagine! A man in a loin-cloth, beaten to a bloody pulp and then nailed to a cross for everyone to laugh and jeer at! What could be more humiliating than that? Is this really the best you can do? Childish and predictable arguments that have been regurgitated by other buffoons? You are an embarrassment to your religion! You make it too easy!

dhc21atyahoo

Only if they died as a result of what God said that a false prophet would and how they died. Which is what and how Mohammed died. Jews killed their prohets because they were stiff necked/stubborn. Why stubborn, becasue they preferred worshipping idols, just like you, instead of the true God, you know the one that sits in a fiery throne with a white robe and white hair lol.

Faiz S.

LOL, you didn’t answer the question you moron! I asked you to explain why you worship a hybrid Canaanite deity. I gave you the evidence. Your god is part El and part Baal. Some scholars also include Asherah in that hybrid mess too! Read the following books and get educated: The Early History of God: Yahweh and the Other Deities in Ancient Israel – by Mark S. Smith Yahweh’s Coming of Age – by Jason Bembry Face it. You are a pagan. You worship a pagan deity: an old man who sits on a throne and who fights sea monsters. So, it is you who worships the “mother of all harlots”. You are the one going to hell for being an idolater!

Faiz S.

LOL, talk about a circular argument! Muhammad was a “false prophet” because he died like a “false prophet”! Christian logic strikes again! What exactly is the death of a “false prophet” supposed to look like? You silly pagan! Don’t you know that your own Bible says that someone who is hung on a pole is “cursed”: “…because anyone who is hung on a pole is under God’s curse” (Deut. 21:23). Hahahaha, poor pagan got refuted by his own Bible! The Jews certainly did rebel against God. They rebelled by incorporating pagan mythology into the true religion sent by God. That is why your god is a Canaanite hybrid. I can see that you are deathly afraid of this conundrum, which is why you are staying away from it. You are clueless, aren’t you? What’s the matter, sweetie? Your pseudo-scholars David Wood et al. didn’t tell you what to say on this matter? Did you just admit to worshiping an old man? Your god has “white hair” like an old man? WOW!! Thank you for admitting that you worship a pagan deity!

dhc21atyahoo

I did answer your question, try to keep up.

dhc21atyahoo

LoL hence your poor understanding of the relationship between the old Testament and the new Testament, or perhaps I should ask you, what is the relationship between these two sets of books? Do you know? Yes or no will not suffice. Mohammed was a false prophet because of the way he died. It looks like your ability to think and read is being crushed by the weight of the guilt in your mind for being so deceitful, no? lol…

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo No you didn’t idiot. Try and keep up. You simply said “no” without dealing with the evidence. Your denial is not an answer. You worship a pagan god. Did you know that Leviathan is part of Canaanite myth? And where does this monster show up? The Bible! And who is the only one who can kill the beast? Ding, ding, ding! Yep, it’s “Yahweh”. The similarity to Canaanite mythology about Baal and Yamm could not be more obvious. Just admit it already. You have no clue how to figure out this conundrum. You have no explanation for why your Bible borrowed from pagan mythology.

dhc21atyahoo

Deutoronomy 21: 22-23 22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: 23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. There is the full context of the old laws of the jews before Jesus. Everything you accuse me of doing in believing in the Bible is just you projecting what you know to be true about the Koran. You are entirely deceived and no man or woman can reach you in the rabbit holes you run through. Your thinking is just like plot in the movie The Matrix, lol. Please, take the red pill!

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Hahaha, still no answers, just more deflections. The Tanakh refutes your New Testament. By saying that your mangod died on a cross, you are admitting that he was cursed by your god. Lol, God cursed himself? That’s the incoherence of Christianity for you!

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo ROTFL, trying to week your way out by appealing to context? You Christians always cast aside the context when using the Tanakh for your nefarious purpose. The text says that he who is hanged is cursed. It doesn’t matter who it is. Any person who is hanged is cursed by God.

dhc21atyahoo

Nope it only shows your ignorance of the facts. He was crucified by the Romans at the urging of the religious ruling class of the jews which Jesus called out as traitors to their own people because they led them astray. Again, some Imam certainly has filled your head full of something. You have the least intuition and understanding of the two testaments. Right now I am going to lean towards the feeling that you do it on purpose. I don;t think it is by accident because your english seems OK.

dhc21atyahoo

The reason folks like yourself cannot find Jesus is the same reason criminals cannot find a policeman….they aren’t looking !

dhc21atyahoo

Here is an example of how you think: “Turkish Professor Claims Koran Flood Story Tells of Muslim Noah Calling Son on Cell-Phone” Read more at https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/100828/turkish-professor-claims-koran-flood-story-tells-muslim-noah-calling-son-cell-phone/#lYMILoHkUrkX2gyp.99 Ba ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…..let me catch my breath…wait…..ba ha ha ha ha ha ha…OK carry on.

dhc21atyahoo

No the Bible says that he who denies Jesus is cursed. Jesus said, quote “I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”. That is the message of Jesus. Repent, turn away from your way of life and accept the free gift of grace from Jesus. After all, he paid your fine on the cross so you are free to go if you accept the gift. Here is a little present from me to you: https://youtu.be/IE7RKF7LGoI

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Hahahaha, no it seems you have just been brainwashed by your foolhardy church. Full of the holy spirit? No, just full of something else! Your mangod is condemned by the Tanakh as cursed by God. Your god condemns himself. That’s your religion. Don’t blame me for your religion’s incoherence. 😉

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Lol, you keep digging yourself into a bigger hole! Your god is cursed, not me! He should have chosen some other form of death where he wasn’t going to be hanging. Hanging from a cross got himself cursed by himself as per Deuteronomy. What else can we expect from a hybrid Canaanite god?

Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Lol, how desperate are you? Who cares what one professor says? These childish distractions will not save you from the inconvenient truth that you worship a pagan god. You can run but you can’t hide! Turn away from your paganism. Stop worshipping your hybrid god. It will lead you to eternal hell fire.

dhc21atyahoo

God gave us the (Bible) prophets, to expose the frauds like Mohammed who contradicted THE MANY(Bible) prophets. If TRUTH was based on a single man (prophet), how could we determine TRUTH from LIES? How could we test his words (prophecies) ? A Man (prophet) cannot be his own witness. That is why Mohammed is a fraud. Salvation is through Jesus and only Jesus.

dhc21atyahoo

The entire Bible is about one man. The old Testament prophesies his arrival. The new Testament is witness to his life and his purpose on this world. The first time that Jesus came to this world was as a meek lamb to be the sacrifice to pay for ALL of the sins of this world (both yours and mine) and thus reconcile all people to God. The next time that Jesus comes to this world will be in judgement. Every knee will bow and every mouth will acknowledge that Jesus is God on his return. Are you ready, will you be ready? Your very soul and life depends on that. It would be terrible if you are not ready and fall into the hands of God in judgement.

Faiz S.

LOL, your criterion is the Bible? ROTFL!!! The Bible is one of the most unimpressive books ever written! There are so many contradictions, absurdities, and scientific and historical inaccuracies that no rational person would regard it as the word of God. A man can’t be his own witness? HAHAHAHA! Then I guess Daniel was also a fraud! Who witnessed any of Daniel’s “visions”? I guess Jesus too was a fraud! Who witnessed his stay in the wilderness? Muhammad (pbuh) backed up his claims with evidence. He performed miracles. He made prophecies that came true. And he had many witnessed to all of these. Read here for some of his prophecies: https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2015/02/10/prophecies-in-the-holy-scriptures-word-of-god-or-folly-of-man-part-iv/ One particularly impressive prophecy has been fulfilled in our time. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said that a time will come when Arabs would compete with each other in constructing tall buildings. In recent times, there has been a building boom in the Middle East! The prophecy has been fulfilled! Alhamdulillah! In contrast, your Bible has TONS of false prophecies: https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2015/01/05/prophecies-in-the-holy-scriptures-word-of-god-or-folly-of-man-part-i/ https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/prophecies-in-the-holy-scriptures-word-of-god-or-folly-of-man-part-ii/ Here is just one false prophecy: “When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”

Faiz S.

The Old Testament “prophesies” the coming of Jesus? Oh come on, stop making me laugh so much! This is exactly why your religion is such a mess! You talk about “context” when it suits your purpose, but when it doesn’t, you cast it aside. The “prophecies” you speak of are taken out of context, you buffoon! Here, do some more reading at your average pace: https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/the-gospel-of-matthew-and-tanakhic-prophecies-of-the-messiah/ Here is one example of a “prophecy” taken completely out of context: “And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: ‘Out of Egypt I called my son.” The reference to Egypt and God’s “son” is found in Hosea 11, but when read in context, it is clear that not only did it not have anything to do with the Messiah, but that it was not even a prophecy:  “‘When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.  But the more they were called, the more they went away from me.  They sacrificed to the Baals and they burned incense to images.’”

dhc21atyahoo

**”A man can’t be his own witness? HAHAHAHA! Then I guess Daniel was also a fraud! Who witnessed any of Daniel’s “visions”? I guess Jesus too was a fraud! Who witnessed his stay in the wilderness? “** Other prophets in the Bible made the same prophecies about the end times as Daniel did. That is what is meant by not being your own witness. In other words, Mohammed predicted something and some body would ask how do you know? Mohammed would say because I said so! Mohammed did not have contemporaries that predicted the same things about end times or otherwise. No other prophets have made the same predictions as him.

Faiz S.

HAHAHA, and the “other prophets” were WRONG too! Their “prophecies” did not come true! So, what’s your point? The fact that Muhammad (pbuh) made prophecies that have come true shows that he is a true prophet. And the fact that these were NEW prophecies only strengthens his prophethood, because there is no chance that he copied from someone else. What is the point if all so-called “prophets” copied each other and made the same prophecies? And what would it matter anyway if those prophecies were falsified? You’re not making any sense, dude. Try to think and don’t be swayed by the illogical arguments of your dark masters like David Wood. Free yourself from their clutches and use your reason.

dhc21atyahoo

**“Once for all, I have sworn by my holiness—and I will not lie to David—that his line will continue forever and his throne endure before me like the sun; it will be established forever like the moon, the faithful witness in the sky.” The apologists must be honest and admit that this simply did not happen. The sun has continued to “endure” and the moon has continued to be a “faithful witness in the sky” since David’s time, but his line and his kingdom have not.Status: Failed** Jesus is a descendant of David. Jesus will return a 2nd time to establish an everlasting Kingdom as foretold by Daniel when he interpreted the dream of King Nebuchadnezzar. From the book of Daniel: 31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible. 32 This image’s head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, 33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. 34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth. 36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king. 37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. 39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. 40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. 41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. 43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. 44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. 45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

dhc21atyahoo

**One particularly impressive prophecy has been fulfilled in our time. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said that a time will come when Arabs would compete with each other in constructing tall buildings. In recent times, there has been a building boom in the Middle East! The prophecy has been fulfilled! Alhamdulillah!** Have you heard of the Tower of Babel? From the book of Genesis: 1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. 2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. 3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. 4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech. 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lordscatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

dhc21atyahoo

***On a side note, the Gospel of Matthew states elsewhere that the end would not come until the “gospel” had been preached throughout the world: “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”[23] This verse seemingly contradicts the prophecy in Matthew 10:23, for it states that the gospel would have to be preached to “all nations”. However, when we consider that the context is again referring to the apostolic age, it is actually not contradictory at all. It is, however, still a false prophecy since the gospel was hardly preached to “all nations” during the apostolic age.[24] Status: Failed*** Thanks for posting this conversation to your blog. Since Jesus has not returned a 2nd time, yet, then this prophecy is not yet fulfilled.

Faiz S.

It is irrelevant if Jesus is related to David or if he will come back. The prophecy says that David’s will last forever. It didn’t. The prophecy failed.

Faiz S.

And what’s your point? Did the Arabs in Muhammad’s time build tall buildings? No, they couldn’t because they were poor. But now, some of them are so wealthy that they can compete with each other to build the tallest structures ever built. First, there was the Burj Khalifa. Now, there is the Kingdom Tower in Saudi Arabia. Be honest with yourself and admit the truth. The prophecy came true.

Faiz S.

The prophecy is Matthew applied to the Apostolic age. Therefore, it cannot be referring to Jesus’ second coming. Thus, it failed.

dhc21atyahoo

Turkish professor makes “scientific claim” about Noah and the flood” As bizarre as Professor Ornek’s claims may sound to Western ears, they were taken seriously by the Turkish public and became the focus of a fierce religious debate. Professor Efrat Aviv, a specialist in Turkey for the Begin- Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, was sure Ornek was serious about his theories, as were the listeners. “To say something insulting about the Koran, even as a joke, could cost this man his life, so it is unlikely he meant it as anything other than serious commentary on the text.” Dr. Aviv told Breaking Israel News. “I watched the interview. He sounded very convincing and clearly believed in his theories. The professor went into great depth and detail, making fine distinctions in the text.” Ahhh now I know why Faiz is so adamant about his misguided and fake historical research. If he were to say it doesn’t make sense then he would be made an example of. I mean his life depends on it!!

Faiz S.

Still trying to distract with this meaningless story? It’s okay, dear. I know you are having trouble answering my devastating critiques of your religion, so you are forced to resort to childish distractions. But back to the pagan origins of your god. Did you know that Genesis 49 contains more clear proof of borrowing from pagan mythology? Here are the relevant verses: “But his bow remained steady,     his strong arms stayed[l] limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob,     because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel, 25 because of your father’s God, who helps you,     because of the Almighty,[m] who blesses you with blessings of the skies above,     blessings of the deep springs below,     blessings of the breast and womb. 26 Your father’s blessings are greater     than the blessings of the ancient mountains,     than[n] the bounty of the age-old hills. Let all these rest on the head of Joseph,     on the brow of the prince among[o] his brothers.” The translation is very deceptive. The actual Hebrew text contains references to “El” (instead of “your father’s God”), the “Bull of Jacob” (instead of “the Mighty One of Jacob”), and “Shadday” (instead of “Almighty”; “Shadday” was another Canaanite name for El). But here is the SHOCKER! Scholars believe that “breast and womb” is a reference to the PAGAN GODDESSES ASHERAH and ANAT!!! In the Masoretic text, the Hebrew is “sadayim waraham”. According to Professor Mark Smith: “The phrase sadayim waraham…echoes Ugaritic titles of the goddesses Asherah and Anat.” WOW!! Did I just hear your jaw drop? Run away from this paganism, dude. It’s for your own good. Come to Islam. You will be glad you did.

dhc21atyahoo

I won’t copy and paste the entire chapter here since you once again take stuff out of context, but the relevant verse I will paste it here: 1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days. 2 Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father. David descended from Joseph, and Jesus descended from David. Joseph was betrayed by his brothers and sold off as a slave and went into Egypt where, in time, he became the 2nd most important individual, thus paving the way for God’s plan for Israel, including Moses, later on. Finally here is the difference between you and I in a nutshell. The difference is the same as the spiritual difference between Issac and Ishmael. Ishmael was the result of Abraham’s and Sarah’s desire and not the will of God. Ishmael was born of a bond-maid (slave). Ishmael’s thinking is on the flesh and on what can be accomplished without God. Issac was born of a free woman. Issac was born from God’s promise to Abraham and Sarah. Issac is the son born after the spirit. Issac’s thinking is on the spirit and what can be accomplished with God. This is also is the difference between arabs and jews. Mohammed was an illiterate 7th century arab. He founded a religion after the flesh and what can be accomplished without God. Thanks Faiz but if paganism is what I worship then it is better than Mohammed’s version of paganism. Thanks for the invite but I most humbly decline the invitation to the dark side, Darth.

Faiz S.

WOW! So, you think that one “version” of paganism is better than another? First of all, paganism is paganism. It leads to hell. Period. Second, there is no paganism in Islam. Islam is purely monotheistic. Unfortunately for you, your Bible is full of pagan influences. Like I said, be honest with yourself. You have been lied to by the likes of David Wood and Jack Chick. Chick is dead now. He will endure an eternity in hell. So will you and Wood if you don’t repent. The context of Genesis 49 is again irrelevant. Whatever the purpose of the prayer was is not the point. The point is why does Genesis use pagan symbolism? Why did it appeal to the pagan goddesses Asherah and Anat? This is a question that you need to answer, for the good of your soul. Stop lying to yourself. Grow up and face the facts.
Why does your Bible seek blessings from “breast and womb”, you pagan? Why does it appeal to Asherah and Anat? Islam, 2. Christianity, 0. It’s looking like a blow-out! LOL!!
dhc21atyahoo

LoL yay we agree on something, paganism will lead to hell. Christians, Jews and Muslims believe that anything outside of their own religion is paganism. Other definitions of paganism: those that worship polytheism, those that pursue their own version of the divine. Anyways so much for definitions. So how does one become saved according to Mohammed and/or Islam? How does one become saved according to Christianity? Your answer to each question will reveal which one qualifies as paganism. Context is everything; however, context is meaningless to those that practice legalism. Jesus despised the legalists of his day, the jewish religious classes of Saducees and Pharisees. And Islam, just like you, is based on legalisms.
Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Aww, this is just getting sad and pathetic! I love it!! Why can’t you give a reasoned response to the evidence of paganism in your Bible? Why do you keep distracting from the issue? Go on, give it a shot. Ask your holy spirit for the answer! The fundamental creed of Islam is that there is only one God, Allah. Islam rejects paganism. It rejects idol worship. It rejects all other gods as false and non-existent. On the other hand, your Bible directly borrows from pagan mythology, as I have shown and which you have struggled monumentally to respond to. It’s pathetic to see a Christian squirm in his ignorance! ROTFL!!!
dhc21atyahoo

I think the ref blew the whistle for two offsides. Goals are nullified. Breasts and womb with blessings, hmm what could it ever mean? Hmmm let me think on this one. Wait, wait, I almost have it….nope not Ashley and Anna…hmmm, ahh yes it means the blessings of children over many generations and that they (the children) shall not want for food because it will be plentiful. I am rubber and you are glue, every name you call me, bounces off of me and sticks to you LoL. Again, your legalistic thinking is the source of your clueless reasoning.
Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Lol, the moron thinks he has it figured out. Oh but wait…the Hebrew phrase is similar to an Ugaritic phrase, which refers to Asherah and Anat! Scholars know better, I think. 🙂 And why would Jacob have thanked breasts and a uterus? What was he, a member of a fertility cult? See, this is the Bible. The book written by heretics who have attributed lies to the great prophets like Jacob (pbuh). Here, they attributed a pagan prayer to the great prophet Jacob. This is why rational people turn away from the Bible.
Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Oops. Forgot to update the score: Islam, 3. Christianity, 0. You better pick up the pace, dude. You are headed for a humiliating blowout!
dhc21atyahoo

Context is everything but not to your legalistic/letter of the law thinking. However I understand your dilemma. Sura 5: 46- 48… 46. In their footsteps, We sent Jesus son of Mary, fulfilling the Torah that preceded him; and We gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah that preceded him, and guidance and counsel for the righteous. 47. So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what Allah revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what Allah revealed are the sinners. 48. And We revealed to you the Book, with truth, confirming the Scripture that preceded it, and superseding it. So the old Testament, Torah, was fulfilled by the arrival of Jesus. I agree, prophecies in the old Testament predict the arrival of the Messiah. And the new Testament is the testimony of the life of Jesus via his contemporaries. Mohammed showed up 7 centuries later, he is not a contemporary of Jesus, but the apostles are the Contemporaries of Jesus. I understand your dilemma, if you call the Gospels something else then the Bible is false. However if that is true then Islam is false because Islam affirms the Gospels. See above. If you call the Gospels the Gospels (Jesus death, resurrection, Jesus is Lord) then Islam is false again because Jesus said as much. Sherk is very serious. Damned if you don’t and damned if you do. No wonder you have to take it out of context to suit your needs, who can blame you, Mohammed had very convenient revelations that excused his behavior so he could justify his sins.
Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Hahaha, again deflecting? I understand your dilemma. You cannot refute the devastating evidence against your Bible, so you deflect to the Quran. It’s so predictable. Christian apologists are so pathetic! So I ask again. Why does your Bible borrow from pagan mythology? You should be ashamed of worshiping a hybrid god and praying for blessings from pagan goddesses.
dhc21atyahoo

You are locked into a catch-22. You finish your deflecting, then you have more deflecting, then more deflecting ad infinitum. I can’t blame you, I would have to keep on eye on my back if I were you and admitted that Jesus is God. And lastly, to you, because you suppress the truth in unrighteousness. Romans: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. If you want to know what Allah is like, look at Mohammed. If you want to know what God the Father is like, look at Jesus.
Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Lol, still deflecting? Why can’t you answer for your Bible’s paganism? Why do you keep changing the subject? It’s no wonder your religion produces 100 million apostates every year! Once people get educated about your Bible, they run away from it. The only ones who remain are brainwashed dummies like you. I ask again. Why does your Bible apply pagan myths to your god? Why does your Bible make pagan prayers?
dhc21atyahoo

I already answered your pagan question. All you have to do is wait until the second coming of Jesus to see the truth, hopefully you will see it before then. Until that time, God bless you in Jesus’s name. Amen
Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Hahaha, running away now? You had enough of being humiliated? You didn’t answer any thing. I have shown you multiple pieces of evidence of the insidious pagan influence on your Bible. El, Baal, Leviathan, Asherah and Anat all make their presence known in your Bible. When Jesus (pbuh) returns, brainwashed Christians like you will realize that you have been lied to. Your pride keeps you from admitting the truth, but your pride is not worth the price of your soul.
dhc21atyahoo

I bet you’re a holocaust denier too.
Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo ROTFL, oh this is too much!! Are you a comedian because you are a riot! Why do you keep embarrassing yourself like this? What does the holocaust have to do with this? To answer your question though, no I’m not a holocaust denier. I oppose all acts of genocide, whether they are against Jews, Muslims or anyone else. But back to the pagan origins of your Bible. Answer my questions. Stop deflecting and changing subjects.
dhc21atyahoo

I bet you’re an Armenian genocide denier.
Faiz S.

dhc21atyahoo Lol, and the Christian keeps embarrassing himself! No, I don’t deny the Armenian genocide either. But I bet you deny the Bosnian genocide or the current Rohingya genocide. Back to the pagan origins of your Bible. Why.do you keep running?
dhc21atyahoo

I bet you deny the deity of Jesus, his death and his resurrection.
Faiz S.

Hahahaha, well duh! What rational person would believe that Jesus was a “deity”? And of course I deny your contradictory fairy tale about his “death and resurrection”! And as it turns out, so did the earliest followers of Jesus! The following is from one of my articles: Paul was certainly the author of the earliest “canonical” books of the New Testament, but there is little doubt among scholars that there was an even earlier source, known as the Q Gospel.  Even though there is no surviving manuscript of this source, scholars know that it existed, whether as a written source or as an oral tradition.  As Burton L. Mack states:  “…scholars discovered that both Matthew and Luke had used a collection of the sayings of Jesus as one of the ‘sources’ for their gospels, the other being the Gospel of Mark.  Scholars have known for over 150 years that something like Q must have existed, but they took it for granted until recently.”[36] Brown also agreed with the scholarly consensus, though he questioned whether the Q Gospel “contained the oldest traditions about Jesus”,[37] while according to Mack: “It is the earliest written record we have from the Jesus movement.”[38]             So what can the Q Gospel tell us about the resurrection?  As shocking as it may be to Christians, it tells us nothing because the resurrection story is actually completely absent from this early source!  In fact, even later sources like the Didache,[39] placed no importance on the resurrection and failed to even mention it, indicating a gradual development of the concept among Christians.  As Russell Martin explains: “The Didache, the epistle of James, the Gospel of Thomas and Sayings Gospel Q represent a stage in Christianity when the crucifixion and resurrection had not yet achieved any importance.  […] They show no significant interest in miracles as proof of Jesus’ divine status, and little influence of the Pauline teaching of justification by faith or the importance of the crucifixion or resurrection.”[40] So, Christianity developed the concept of the resurrection over time!  The early Q community did not have such a concept.  Rather, they emphasized the teachings of Jesus (peace be upon him) and the importance of attaining the “kingdom of God”.[41]  As Mack explains: “Instead of people meeting to worship a risen Christ, as in the Pauline congregations, or worrying about what it meant to be a follower of a martyr, as in the Markan community, the people of Q were fully preoccupied with questions about the kingdom of God in the present and the behavior required if one took it seriously.”[42] https://quranandbibleblog.wordpress.com/2014/12/28/raymond-brown-and-the-resurrection-of-jesus/
Faiz S.

Do you deny the Bosnian genocide? Do you deny that the Rohingya Muslims are enduring a genocide as we speak?
dhc21atyahoo

LoL I bet you are an anit-christ.
Faiz S.

LOL, no my boy. You are the anti-Christ, because you worship him as a “God”, whereas he worshiped the true God. You are nothing more than a pagan. Jesus (pbuh) was a great prophet of God, and on the Day of Judgment, he will be a witness against you. After that, your eternal sojourn hell will begin. You are a pagan who worships an old man seated on a throne, who battled sea monsters like Baal. Your book makes prayers in the name of the pagan goddesses Asherah and Anat. Oh pagan! Repent to God and shun the false religion of Christianity!
dhc21atyahoo

Do you know Mohammed’s nick name? If I remember right it is…wait…oh yah that’s it…Kimosabee, it means, wrong prophet. Do you know what it means when the choke is flipped and the chain is yanked?
Faiz S.

I know what your nickname should be. It’s based on the scientific system of naming living things. First, you give the genus name, then the species. So, your name is Canis idioticus. Guess what the term “Canis” refers to? It’s the genus that includes dogs, and since you are a Gentile Christian, I think it is appropriate. You know the story of the Phoenician woman and Jesus, right? He referred to Gentiles as “dogs”, so it is appropriate that a Gentile Christian such as yourself should have the honor of being included in the Canis genus. Congratulations! You must be so proud! LOL!!
Faiz S.

Now back to the questions you have not answered. Do you deny the Bosnian or the Rohingya genocides? And I ask yet again…why does your Bible borrow from pagan mythology?
dhc21atyahoo

You are doing such an excellent job of recruiting converts to Islam. So good in fact, I bet you would not be able to be elected dog catcher. Woof woof….
Faiz S.

Actually, a good friend of mine recently converted to Islam, alhamdulillah. How’s your conversion project going? Catch any potential new members of the Canis idioticus family?
dhc21atyahoo

My my you have mastered the art of conversion. I bet that your back sliding rate is near 98%. Oh wait, that’s right, you will kill them if they turn away from Islam. So that makes your back slide rate 98%. Did you brow beat your “good friend” into submission with lie after lie after lie? FYI, that’s a rhetorical question.
Faiz S.

LOL, so I assume you have not succeeded in converting anyone to your pagan religion? Here are some stats for you: http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/pf_15-04-02_projectionsoverview_religiousswitching_640px/ Over the course of 40 years or so, your religion will produce over 100 million apostates! Christians are leaving your religion in DROVES! It’s no wonder. You idiots have no clue how to explain the TONS of contradictions, bad history, bad science and not to mention the PAGAN influences in your Bible. Hahahaha, your religion is dying a slow death! I would have more sympathy for you, but it’s obvious you are just an uneducated, ignorant buffoon who is not interested in learning about other people and their way of life. You are content with simply lying about them and demonizing them. My friend was actually an Evangelical Christian. I debated with him for over 10 years. Eventually, something clicked and he realized that Christianity was false. Don’t blame others for doing the right thing just because you are too stupid and proud not to do it. Reasonable people grow up and admit the facts about the Bible and Christianity.

 

11 thoughts on “Discussion With Another Chickie – “Allah Had No Son”

    1. Shaad

      Some willful ignorance right there by the way, i guess too much dose of answering islam makes someone lose some brain cells…jokes apart, most amateur anti islam keyboard warriors i’ve encountered in YT comments choose to be ignorant or maybe they are too lazy, i mean they literally refuse to read when opposing facts on put on the table and they rather choose to repeat nonsense…

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      1. John Stewart

        Assalmualakum wa rahma tu lahi wa barakatu, Can’t see your comments again, however, if I may give a critique. Try not to insult when you’re giving dawah or debating. I prefer to set stakes with people like this person. I’ll say something such as “Before we begin if I prove beyond all shadow of a doubt all the issues you have with Islam will you become Muslim?” What this does it 2 things:
        1. If they say no. I know their just B.S.ing and I won’t waste my time. I’ll then clarify so even if you personally agree with everything I said you still won’t become a Muslim? Once they say no I move on.
        2. It sets them up where they have to become Muslim because they agreed. (They still won’t because of arrogance but hey…)

        You then set the ground rules “Okay we’re not going to jump topic to topic. We’re going to stay with one thing at a time until a conclusion has been arrived at. So with that being said what’s your number one issue with Islam?” What this set up does is actually let you attack the real issues they have. This person has some other issue all the B.S. about paganism and Allat,etc. are just covers to what their objection is. And even if they don’t become Muslim you may have knocked down a barrier or two and “primed” them for somebody else.

        Finally, while your information is fantastic unfortunately most people are stupid and don’t do serious research so they probably won’t read paragraphs of writing. Try to sum them up and only give the most crucial pieces of evidence. If they still challenge you then redirect them to the blog. “Here is an article of mine where I go into more detail. Let me know what you think.”

        This is just my experience when dealing with these kinds of people.

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      2. Walaikum as-salaam brother. You make good points and it is never my intention to have that kind of discussion, but in my experience, that is the inevitable result of 90% of all discussions with Christians, since most of them are extremely hostile to Islam. They hate Islam and go to great lengths to demonize our beloved Prophet, so I don’t hold back in exposing them for the garbage they are. I wish more of them would be sincere truth-seekers who want to have a polite discussion, but it is just not possible with the vast majority of them.

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  3. mr.heathcliff

    the prophet WAS poisoned ?

    Quote :

    Most of the points have been covered above, but I want to reiterate and clarify a few points:
    1- I don’t understand what this obsession is with the claim that if the Prophet (saw) died from the poison it somehow means he is not a Prophet. It’s a baseless claim. Who said that this is a fact? Just because some Jewish woman said something that doesn’t make it true. Now, what would be an accurate claim is if the Prophet (saw) died *before* completing his message, then that would make us question his Prophethood. But the final verses of the Qur’an were already revealed (“Today I have completed your Deen for you…”), and the Prophet (saw) already told people that he has chosen to return to his Lord, meaning he was going to die very soon. So it was his time to die.

    2- What you said about the sheep “telling” him is presented inaccurately. First of all, you are mixing multiple Ahadith together as if they are the same narration. One narration talks about the Sahabi dying, and another narration talks about the sheep “telling” him that it is poisoned. Second, the scholars from over 1000 years ago stated that the sheep “telling” him was a figure of speech, meaning he could tell it was poisoned (he could taste it or felt something). Third, saying something like “the sheep told me” is also a way of saying “it doesn’t matter how I know,” or “it’s none of your business,” so maybe he did not want to let her know that someone died from it. And lastly, the Hadith of “the sheep told me” is graded as Mawdhoo’ (fabricated), so it’s not even an authentic narration.

    3- The Hadith does not say “aorta.”
    The Ayah that mentions the aorta, which you keep referring to, says: لقطعنا منه الوتين “Then we would have surely cut off his Wateen (aorta).”
    The Hadith you mentioned, on the other hand, says: فهذا أوان انقطاع أبهري من ذلك السم “The time ha come for my Abhar (breath) to be cut off from that poison,” meaning it is time for me to die.
    Al-Wateen الوتين and Abhari أبهري are not the same word and don’t mean the same thing in classical Arabic.

    4- As for the absurd claim that the verse of cutting off his aorta is being applied on the Prophet (saw), as if he has invented lies and is being killed for it, there is no possibility of it being correct. First of all, the Ayah says that he will be immediately seized and killed, which was a point of emphasis that Allah (swt) is in complete control of the message and the Prophet (saw) cannot possibly make mistakes. Second, Allah (swt) would have exposed what the Prophet (saw) fabricated in the Deen, otherwise the Deen would be corrupted, and the promise of Allah (swt) that “We have surely revealed the message, and We will surely protect it” would no longer be true. And third, the Qur’an has already said that the Prophet (saw) is infallible and cannot make any errors in the Deen. The claim that this Ayah is being applied on the Prophet (saw) is just a silly lie by Christians who are grasping at straws, while ignoring their own massive contradictions in their corrupted Bible that is now filled with fabrications.

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